Micro 569: ONE NIGHT ULTIMATE WEREWOLF [Wolf's dead!!]

[shos]

WELCOME.

Here is how it goes.

At the beginning of the game

, everyone receive their role PMs. The role PM should have few words, with a role which is one of the following list*. Each role exists only once in the game (unless it appears more than once in the list..)

• Werewolf
  
• Werewolf
  
• Minion
  
• Mason
  
• Mason
  
• Seer
  
• Apprentice Seer
  
• Troublemaker
  
• Robber
  
• Villager
  
• Villager
  
• Insomniac

*A different list of roles may appear in other runs of the game, it also depends on the amount of players. These are the roles I chose to play in this specific game.


Then, night starts. Each person who has a night action, sends me their choice, and day opens.
During the day the town should discuss and decide who they want to lynch, and game ends.

Werewolves and the Minion

win if the person lynched is NOT a werewolf. That means, if the minion is lynched, he wins the game too.

All the others

win if the person lynched IS a werewolf.


Now, where's the catch?
You don't know what you are at the morning, only what you WERE before the night actions.
There are 12 roles, and only 9 players!

Now let's break it down.

Werewolves

will know who each other was BEFORE night actions.
If there is only one werewolf, they will be able to see one role that was NOT distributed to a player.

Minion

will know who all the existing werewolves are BEFORE night actions.

Masons

will know who each other was before night actions.
If there is only one mason, they will know it.

Seer

can choose to either see a person's role BEFORE night actions, or see two roles that were NOT distributed to a player.

Apprentice Seer

will see one role that was NOT distributed to a player.

Robber

chooses a person and changes their role to be Robber, while changing his own role to that person's role. He also gets to see his new role.

Troublemaker

chooses two people and changes their roles to be each others' roles.

Insomniac

will get a PM saying his morning role after everything else has happened.

Everything happens BEFORE the robber and troublemaker. Robber happens BEFORE the troublemaker. Insomniac happens last.

Your win condition is your MORNING role's wincon. That means that if you were a werewolf, for example, and got switched with the robber, you are now a robber (Town-aligned), even if you don't know it!

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For any questions, you may post inthread or PM me.
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Rooster:

1. PokerFace
2. Klick
3. ika
4. vettrock
5. ForWhomTheJellyRolls
6. SilverWolf
7. Something_Smart
8. itlepip
9. 3dicerolling

GaMe STaTuS:

Role PMs are being distributed.

everyone confirmed.

GAME START

[shos]

Morning everyone!

Good luck; remember - your wincon is your

CURRENT

role's wincon.

Day will end in 10 days, but only after my test!

(expired on 2016-01-24 17:00:00)

[3dicerolling]

Who else is town?

[SilverWolf]

OK, Never played this setup before but my understanding of it is, we claim the role we got before this day started.

Am I right?

[3dicerolling]

OK, Never played this setup before but my understanding of it is, we claim the role we got before this day started.

Am I right?

That's how it's usually done in person I believe. Considering it's only 1 night it makes sense to all claim.

[SilverWolf]

OK, I'll wait and see what everyone else says and see if there's a certain order people want to do it for claims, night actions, etc.

[3dicerolling]

OK, I'll wait and see what everyone else says and see if there's a certain order people want to do it for claims, night actions, etc.

From what I've seen, troublemaker can be one of the most make or break cards, especially because scum might fake claim it, and if you were town you could possibly be forced into a scum role.

[Something_Smart]

Who else is town?

Me!

OK, I'll wait and see what everyone else says and see if there's a certain order people want to do it for claims, night actions, etc.

If we do massclaim then robber should claim first.

@Mod: How does voting work? Is it like irl where the day ends and all players vote simultaneously? Or is it like other mafiascum games?

[PokerFace]

hello all. Here are links to previous runnings of this game on mafiascum.net and my thoughts on those games

game 1
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=60885
had popcorn massclaim
had people claim role name first
then people claimed targets in order of seers, robber, trouble
town won this game

game 2
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=61282
did not have popcorn. everyone just did role name on first post.
vetrock started as scum. paul became scum as he was robber
targets were claimed in order of robber, trouble, seer
scum won, the robber stole the scum's role and lied about who he robbed

Game 3, I was in that game!
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=25
We claimed via popcorn names only first
then we had target claiming setup to go in order of robber, seer, trouble
robber was set to give targets first because they are least trust worthy. They could have stole from scum like they did in game 2
Seer goes second as a single werewolf can see center or unused cards. seer easy safe claim for scum so they go second
trouble goes last because they switched two other players cards. They didn't switch their own card. So they are starting game playing to town win condition and continuing playing to that same win condition

We set up things to go well perfectly in game 3. But then one of the town roles fake claimed hunter as seer. that mucked up target order claiming and the robber that stole the scum's role there was able to thrive in the choas and get the win. As long as no one fake claims here I think we can lock things down the way they should have been in game 3.

[3dicerolling]

So we should all name claim now?

[ForWhomTheJellyRolls]

I'm town. I'm still fuzzy on what the hell to do here.

[PokerFace]

Is it like irl where the day ends and all players vote simultaneously?

yes it is

To reiterate the tldr version of my plan is
we have mass role name only claim via popcorn
if we get 2 seers, or 2 toubles, or 2 robbers they claim here
if no double/counter claimers then robber claims his target
then seer claimed their target and results
then trouble claims

BEFORE ANY CLAIMING STARTS
people should say if they like this idea or not and or say hello
if I have made an error in my plan someone should point it out to me before the plan starts

[PokerFace]

So we should all name claim now?

no everyone should check in and say if they like plan.

if my plan has a flaw i want to know where i messed up before the plan starts so we don't dig ourselves a hole

Then we figure out who claims first. That person name claims and says who name claims second and so on until all names have been claimed and then we follow rest of the plan

[SilverWolf]

Hello, I like PokerFace's plan and approve.

[3dicerolling]

I like the plan

[PokerFace]

crap I forgot one thing

this game unlike the other 3 can have an apprentice seer and an insomniac

apprentice seer should go before normal seer as that's an even easier scum fake claim

Not sure when/where insomniac should claim what they had. thoughts?

[SilverWolf]

Maybe Insomniac claims depending on what they were told and go according to plan?

[PokerFace]

crap I forgot ...
Not sure when/where insomniac should claim what they

have now

. Thoughts?

Insomniac is only player that is 100% on what they are now. They should claim their final value before or after the trouble. I lean toward before the trouble since the trouble can potentially out a lying insomniac. Trouble should always be playing to town win condition as they are town even if robber switched with them. Not sure if insomniac should be before or after robber. need to think...

[3dicerolling]

From my experience, I would say after the robber.

[PokerFace]

yay since insomniac is 100% on what they are right now, they know if they are now scum or not now scum

with that in mind I would imagine they have more reason to lie than the robber so I think

mass name via popcorn
any double/counter claimers give their targets
insomniac if only 1 claims result
robber if only 1 claims change
apprentice seer if only 1 claims result
seer if only 1 claims result(s)
trouble if only 1 claims change

thoughts?

[PokerFace]

From my experience, I would say after the robber.

why?

[3dicerolling]

From my experience, I would say after the robber.

why?

From the games I've played, it seems like the insomniac has been truthful more often then the robber, but idk if that's just luck.

[PokerFace]

Everything happens BEFORE the robber and troublemaker. Robber happens BEFORE the troublemaker. Insomniac happens last.

An insomniac that become scum know they are scum right now

A robber that became scum might not actually be scum any more because of the trouble

Trouble thinks they are town and if they are actually lying scum we will know they are because everyone else will have outed them via everyone else giving their targets/results first

yay I think insomniac goes before robber unless dice can convince me otherwise

[PokerFace]

!So much simul posting!

From my experience, I would say after the robber.

why?

From the games I've played, it seems like the insomniac has been truthful more often then the robber, but idk if that's just luck.

I think you got lucky unless I miscalculated somewhere

[3dicerolling]

Well, the robber also switches cards with someone, so there is a 100% guarantee they are no longer the robber. The insomniac would have to have been switched and been switched with scum. While possible, I think it would be more likely the robber switched with scum.