Micro 648: Mystery Box Mafia - 't is gedaan!

[NJAC]

Yeah, w/e.

[Not_Mafia]

Prove me wrong and vote me then

[Expedience]

N_M, you shouldn't vote NJAC.

Vaxkiller claimed a VT result on NJAC so if you think NJAC is scum it makes sense to vote Vaxkiller first

[Not_Mafia]

I'll vote either, wherever the wind blows

[GuiltyLion]

I'm here, not voting yet

[GuiltyLion]

You realize this vote accompanied with no instant follow up lynch makes you scum right?

Town wouldn't have hemmed and hawwed

both of these posts are bad

why is this game so hard

[Not_Mafia]

If you had to vote now, who do you vote?

[GuiltyLion]

I'm stuck deciding between scum N_M + [Expedience/Vax] world, or scum Vax+NJAC world

neither strikes me as impossible or unplausible

[Not_Mafia]

Gun to your head, who do you vote?

[GuiltyLion]

nonplausible is the correct word?

Not_Mafia I feel you're only seriously trying now that it's LYLO, you coasted through D2. GTMH I think I'd vote you, at the moment, because I can see you as scum with Vax or Expedience and I'm scared of the world where Vax is town

[Expedience]

N_M feels town here, the asking to be voted shows he's confident that it's NJAC / Vaxkiller and wants them to be confirmed when nobody hammers.

[GuiltyLion]

I need to think through the votes here

N_M voting NJAC first is a brave move if he's scum, given Expedience and I both voiced townreads on NJAC
Vax jumping in to vote N_M is off to me, I'm not sure town would be confident enough to immediately vote there, although the only quickhammer from his point of view (conftown!NJAC) would be from GL+Expedience team

NJAC wavering on N_M vote would fit with a scumVax/NJAC team, but I'm not sure it wouldn't come from town either.
(p-edit basically what Expedience just said, but scum!N_M would also know that town!GL and town!Expedience wouldn't quickhammer)

Why did you say town wouldn't hem/haw?

[GuiltyLion]

expedience/Vax team could hammer NJAC if Expedience was confident Vax would be here, the longer this doesn't happen the more likely it rules out Exp+Vax team

[GuiltyLion]

You realize that, in the remote case you're town, and Expedience and Guilty are scum, you're losing us the game, right?

NJAC, why did this not apply to Vax's vote on N_M

[GuiltyLion]

actually yeah N_M is right, there's no reason for town!NJAC not to revote him here

[Not_Mafia]

I need to think through the votes here

N_M voting NJAC first is a brave move if he's scum, given Expedience and I both voiced townreads on NJAC
Vax jumping in to vote N_M is off to me, I'm not sure town would be confident enough to immediately vote there, although the only quickhammer from his point of view (conftown!NJAC) would be from GL+Expedience team

NJAC wavering on N_M vote would fit with a scumVax/NJAC team, but I'm not sure it wouldn't come from town either.
(p-edit basically what Expedience just said, but scum!N_M would also know that town!GL and town!Expedience wouldn't quickhammer)

Why did you say town wouldn't hem/haw?

If town think their scum read is going to engage in a 1v1 they do it,scum has to worry about how their vote is perceived, wagon positioning etc

[GuiltyLion]

I'm struggling with NJAC voting/unvoting within the same minute in 585 and 586, I feel like that shouldn't come from either alignment because it shows a lack of forethought about the consequences of the vote

but I'm tempted to say it's more likely to come from scum

[GuiltyLion]

so Expedience are you leaning Vax/NJAC now?

[GuiltyLion]

You realize this vote accompanied with no instant follow up lynch makes you scum right?

I want to be hesitant to think scum would chainsaw for their partner so blatantly like this, but I can't fathom that Vax seriously believes 2 hours would be enough time for a scum quickhammer.

Yeah, no. N_M is scum. Otherwise I would have been insta-lynched at this point.

same thing here, NJAC parroting Vax before Expedience/I had even posted in thread. I don't want to confbias myself but this is heavy evidence for Vax/NJAC imo

[GuiltyLion]

You realize that, in the remote case you're town, and Expedience and Guilty are scum, you're losing us the game, right?

I just can't grok why you didn't consider scum!Vax here

[Expedience]

Actually I changed my mind and I think we should lynch the other guys.

[Expedience]

Actually, I'm just retarded.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

[Vaxkiller]

From what I read, after house cleared NJAC. NJAC later reciprocated by townreading house. It seemed like an odd move, it's possible he townread house for any variety of reasons (im assuming he is very familiar with houses playstyle and townread him back) After that they appear to bounce ideas off of each other.

When I came in the game it was kinda weird knowing NJAC was town, and also having him reciprocating that back to me as well. I kept thinking he was looking for me to answer his questions to hold against me at some point, because he had a strong town read on house, but maybe he wont read me the same way, but no, he just townread me as well (or maybe I give myself too much credit, it was the slot (house))

[Expedience]

UNVOTE:

[NJAC]

I'm back people. Reading in a while.