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Fast RVS = good RVS. Implosion, Kain, and Comm are all town.

In post 16, CommKnight wrote: [*] There is no explanation for your immediate switch. I assume you'll say because I joined some band wagon or that putting someone at L2 this early is "scummy". Both terrible reasons. Do not forget, you also voted for him, thus any unvote warrants that you randomly voted as a poor joke vote or to seem active in the first stage of the Day 1. I gave my reason for putting him at L2.

try: using a RVS wagon to try and bait a claim
something you blatantly obviously did and kaintepes also caught onto

@CommKnight: are you a newbie or is this an alt

Hi Parama!

In post 22, CommKnight wrote:Claims are always good to get

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. give as little information as possible to the mafia. there is no reason for someone to claim for no reason.

also re: Tepes and CommKnight:
Tepes: you need to grow a bit thicker skin. insults will be tossed around in mafia
CommKnight: and you need to stop being an insensitive prick. first bit of 22 is gross and condescending

current impression is that Comm is town but very misguided. dunno about anyone else.

Comm wrote:There is no explanation for your immediate switch. I assume you'll say because I joined some band wagon or that putting someone at L2 this early is "scummy". Both terrible reasons.

You know, it's quite rude to assume.

Comm wrote:Do not forget, you also voted for him, thus any unvote warrants that you randomly voted as a poor joke vote or to seem active in the first stage of the Day 1.

Are you aware of site meta?

Comm wrote:By unvoting you take away someone from claiming and having real discussion happen for the rest of Day 1.

I disagree with the premise that an early claim on d1 is good for town; this is sort of the common consensus on mafiascum as well.

Comm wrote:Simple. A claim early on is good for town, it gives us plenty of time to discuss. However, one has already made his motives clear with no words spoken from his unvote. Do tell me if I'm wrong to assume not explaining a vote and unvote while also delaying discussion to be scum motivated. Correct?

If you want a more serious theory discussion of this I'm happy to give it to you; an early claim is bad relative to a late claim for two reasons. One, asking an arbitrary person to claim is a bad idea as that person may later have become obvious town, making their claimed status a detriment; two, to more directly address the point you're making, it warps discussion around the claim. A great example of this is one of my recently completed games (Gamma Emerald was in it as well); we had a town ascetic claim on page one, and discussion warped entirely around that claim for the next several pages. He was then counterclaimed and the entire day's discussion warped around the two of them. This kind of discussion is generally easy for scum to hide in because they don't have to take nuanced stances; they can merely say "I believe/disbelieve the claim because X" and claim relative ignorance of the rest of the game.

Comm wrote:This is a quick set-up game. No real specialties going on. It's safe to assume there's at least a cop and doctor active with possible other town PRs if we have 3 mafia.

Okay, you clearly don't know site meta if you think this. This is simply not true. I can pretty much guarantee that there's no doctor if there is a cop unless scum have a roleblocker or strongman or the like. And even then, that combination has drifted massively out of style over the course of the past decade. It's incredibly rare to have roles that are worth claiming in combination with roles that can protect them. Especially in such a small game. It's also *VERY* probably 2:7 (or even 2:1:6) rather than 3:6.

Perhaps he hoped to skirt by without someone noticing that lack of contribution to the discussion even this early on.

Why yes, I am quite guilty of skirting by for the first several of the game. How I.

Parama wrote:current impression is that Comm is town but very misguided. dunno about anyone else.

Ever so slight tendency to agree.

I tr tweet

Nvm i don't tr tweet

I tr connan

I thought tweet L-2'd me when i was phone scrolling, but it was connan

And by connan i meant comm

Anyway, my actual reasons to have voted Comm include:
-I often like to make a vote switch on page one; it usually generates discussion in a good way.
-He votes and says that he wants to force a claim, yet says that he'll fos any additional voters, which is a direct contradiction under the typical site meta of claiming at L-1+hammer threat. This is of course resolved because it's clear Comm does not know site meta.

I have a somewhat scummy first impression of Kain. The Comm vote looks somewhat awkward/opportunistic simply by virtue of only happening after mine, yet having reasoning that was already available when Kain made post 13. 17 jumps to conclusions, accusing Comm of refusing to take his vote off and tunneling pretty shortly after the vote on Transcend. It looks like jumping on the easy target. The last line of 23 reads as trying to keep options open to switch to a wagon on me if Comm starts being read as town.


VOTE: Kain

In post 33, Transcend wrote:Nvm i don't tr tweet

I tr connan

I thought tweet L-2'd me when i was phone scrolling, but it was connan

Fun fact. Last game I played was 2:5. Day one ended in a quicklynch on page 1. The L-3 and L-0 votes were from town. The L-2 and L-1 votes were from scum. Of course this is just a single case, but etc.

Why is page 1 wagoning a towntell in and of itself? This seems like a pretty lazy first post of the game.

I felt the vote was genuine rather than opportunistic.

Btw I'm not here to wow you with my opinions, I'm just here to lynch scum

In post 37, Transcend wrote:I felt the vote was genuine rather than opportunistic.

Btw I'm not here to wow you with my opinions, I'm just here to lynch scum

you didn't even correctly read who made the vote the first time you looked at it :S

w/e. If the reason goes beyond simply voting you then it's a more minor gripe.

Was on phone, other guy had no avatar

In post 19, KainTepes wrote:Ok, what the hell is wrong with you. stop trolling.

My vote is staying on you until you stop your rude antics,, don't act like a pretentious pomp just because you can 'speak english' can not do anything else. Also, that remark is racist to people who only speak mandarin.

I'm sick and tired of people calling me a "motherfucker" today. my mother is dead. stop it.

on mafiascum, people simply DO NOT ask for claims on page 1. it's stupid and unnecessary basically we don't know what the setup even is, so this isn't town of salem if that's where you came from, douchebag.

Says the one with 1200 WINS on TOWN OF SALEM,,,,

@Implosion yes I remember that game. tbh it probably would have worked out better if SS didn't think that ES couldn't be town. We would have had 2 probtown players in d1, and prob lynched boring, as they were the next largest wagon after ES. Going into theoreticals, I prob would have checked Dierfire, and SS or Maria would have been killed. I don't remember Zorono's reads but iirc he SRed LUV, meaning the kill could have been blocked. So town went down a tough route by not focusing on something not the ascetics.

Btw i didn't and will not read any of the walls of text on page 1

Things i don't care about

-Previous games
-Walls of text

Lean town on syr

Would love some advancement from Parama, I'm happy to play with Parama again

Same thing with Tweet. Solid player list.

Comm: even if i got ran up to L-1, i wouldn't claim there. The idea is to give scum as little info as possible because they already know everyone's alignment. So a claim from me isn't gonna help especially if I'm a very important role and being ran up for no reason.

Still tr comm and i find implosion's vote there opportunistic. I don't know why he stopped why he started, when he did, and on who he did.

VOTE: implosion

What he started*

Also i don't like 36. I think this could be scum!implo discrediting my correct town read.

I'm gonna approach this game differently. Assuming this is 7:2, there's 28 possible duos fmpov.

I think that comm is town so that eliminates 7 possible teams to boil down to 21 teams.

Gun to my head, scum!tepes and scum!tweet together aren't gonna cite together in rvs the same way lol

So if all this aforementioned logic is correct, I'm down to 20 possible duos.