Micro 528: Double Day Unlimited -- Game Over

Firebringer · Post Post #600 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:00 pm

Me, Vedith and Lucky2u are town.

This debate is done.
Lynch Pool: Not Mafia and Pablito.

Lucky2u · Post Post #601 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:43 pm

If this is right beers on me.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Firebringer · Post Post #602 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:16 pm

In post 601, Lucky2u wrote:If this is right beers on me.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

What kind of beer you buying for us?

pablito · Post Post #603 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:22 pm

In post 602, Firebringer wrote:
In post 601, Lucky2u wrote:If this is right beers on me.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

What kind of beer you buying for us?

Dittoed. I prefer lagers

Lucky2u · Post Post #604 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:01 pm

In post 603, pablito wrote:
In post 602, Firebringer wrote:
In post 601, Lucky2u wrote:If this is right beers on me.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

What kind of beer you buying for us?

Dittoed. I prefer lagers

Your choice between the beers of my heritage. Corona or Samuel Adams.

Firebringer · Post Post #605 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:54 pm

I will take a Corona.

Vedith · Post Post #606 (ISO) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:55 pm

Get those Lucky bucks out!

Lucky2u · Post Post #607 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:17 am

Come on NS! The suspense is killing me

Not_Mafia · Post Post #608 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:55 am

Game over

Nobody Special · Post Post #609 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:40 am

Votecount 2.04

Not_Mafia - 3 - Vedith, Firebringer, Lucky2u

pablito - 1 - Firebringer

Not Voting: Not_Mafia, pablito

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-10-14 22:12:25)

Nobody Special · Post Post #610 (ISO) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:44 am

Not_Mafia, Vanilla Townie,

has been lynched.

Night Two begins now. All actions are due in my inbox by deadline.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-10-08 13:43:24)

Nobody Special · Post Post #611 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:51 am

Firebringer, Vanilla Townie,

has been shot.

Day Three begins now.

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-10-24 10:50:49)

Lucky2u · Post Post #612 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:26 pm

So... How's everyone's weekend?

pablito · Post Post #613 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:12 am

Busy. On vla. Will not vote until deadline obv since lylo.

Sad fb died as I had him pegged as town but that was for hammer. I actually saw someone else as town more if that "town bloc" all were potentially busing davsto. I will look when I get back though to see if I feel same. Sorry ogml for so adamantly going down the no scum bus highway.

Vedith · Post Post #614 (ISO) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:28 am

I'll take a look later.

Lucky2u · Post Post #615 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:24 am

well let's walk through the obvious. pablito, why shouldn't me and vedith continue our town block and lynch you?

Vedith · Post Post #616 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:03 am

It doesn't make sense why Pab would say vote him at this stage...

pablito · Post Post #617 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:44 am

In post 615, Lucky2u wrote:well let's walk through the obvious. pablito, why shouldn't me and vedith continue our town block and lynch you?

1) Because with so many votes in this game, vote count analyses should really help us look at things - and so far I don't think we've exhausted all of our efforts to look at what happened with Davsto's lynch.

2) We have 11 days still, there's no reason why we shouldn't use the time to look at everything.

3) You were hesitant in the town bloc in the first place, so I think we should look into that.

4) I was a big champion of the town bloc as well - because I fully thought that OGML or Not_Mafia were remaining scum and banked my entire game on it by trying to exclude myself from the town bloc. It was a losing move to not include myself in it and to not argue so. That's WIFOM for you.

5) I'm town, and I've been trying to show I'm town since OGML's lynch through my actions and pushes. I've just been so, so wrong in my interpretations.

6) We're in LyLo - which should usually merit time to analyse everything.

I'll look at the game later tonight when I get home and think of more questions. Here's my first set:

@Vedith - What changed between these posts?

In post 420, Vedith wrote:I don't think both are scum... Although I would say Pablito over OGML if 1 is scum.

In post 586, Vedith wrote:VOTE: NM

I'm not happy with voting Pab today. If he flips town that makes it so much harder going into tomorrow.

@Lucky - Please look back at the vote counts in D1P2 and tell us what you think of the votes on you and Davsto which lead to Davsto's lynch - who do you think were most responsible for getting Davsto lynched - then I have a follow-up question once you name them.

Vedith · Post Post #618 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:32 am

In post 617, pablito wrote:@Vedith - What changed between these posts?

A lynch on scum, expecting scum to not bus, OGML played odd, I mean, he went straight for you without even considering NM at that point.
A lot actually happened in those 100 odd posts.

Lucky2u · Post Post #619 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:30 am

I'll do that tonight and get back to you... After reading your post though I'm curious (and you don't have to answer this now) as to who your suspecting if you're town. You seem neutral right now which pings to me.

pablito · Post Post #620 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:06 am

In post 618, Vedith wrote:
In post 617, pablito wrote:@Vedith - What changed between these posts?

A lynch on scum, expecting scum to not bus, OGML played odd, I mean, he went straight for you without even considering NM at that point.
A lot actually happened in those 100 odd posts.

OGML was hard up on me for no reason. As a townsperson he has pegged a LOT on me whether I was responsible for it or not. As much as I have been wrong on my reads this game, OGML did not do the town any service by pushing it all on me. I am annoyed that NM cut down the discussion short prior to lynching OGML on that one.

I would like for us to look back at what OGML said and disseminate that information. I feel that I was never going to be part of the town bloc because of him and scum is hiding behind that to peg it all on me rather than looking at who was directly responsible for helping get Davsto lynched. I feel like, yes, I have been leading town down a lot of wrong lynches. But I don't feel that these lynches were self-serving and that they were done with logic and rationale based on how votes have come down before.

Lucky2u · Post Post #621 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:32 pm

ok so after looking at the wagons like you asked. I blame Davsto for my almost wagon. Vedith and yourself led the wagon for Davsto. So... what the hell does that get me? Davsto was scum and you just showed me that both of you jumped on the wagon early meaning that the one of you that is scum VERY unnecessarily bussed your partner instead of just hammering me because I was literally at L-1 for several posts while Davsto was at L-4.

Spoiler:

So the scum one of you let it go from that to this?

Spoiler:

Congratulations... I am even more confused now than before.

pablito · Post Post #622 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:33 pm

So Vedith takes Davsto from 1->2 while voting pablito at the same time. Vedith is not voting Lucky at that time. Vedith has no pressure at that time and in fact Davsto was voting Vedith at that time.

Pablito takes Davsto from 2->3 while pablito is currently at 3 and Lucky at 4. Pablito has little pressure at that time.

Lucky takes Davsto from 3-4 while Lucky is currently at 4 but chooses to not vote pablito (under the guise of shotgun blasting "scum on my wagon").

The context appears that Lucky has the least to lose and more to gain if scum bussing scum. Vedith and pablito appear to have more to lose if scum bussing scum in that context. Hence I lean toward Lucky being scum.

ISO of Davsto (which I will get to later because I just woke up from a nap right before I go to sleep tonight) if I recall correctly would show Davsto voting Vedith close to lynch.

The only things keeping me from having a stronger Lucky-scum read right now are what I thought was Lucky being town in early D1P1 based on retrospectively-weaker reads, and the banter in D2P2 vote against NM.

Vedith to me has a clear, evolved mindset that seems to follow a more town mindset. I just need to re-read Davsto's pushes on both Lucky and Vedith to see what seems more genuine. What I see is the Davsto-Lucky interactions as being very convenient time-wise and rushed if it feels like there's enough space to bury the links between the town - whereas Davsto-Vedith seems intentional and heavy-handed to the point where Davsto pushed Vedith's lynch almost to the point of no return.

@Lucky if you're confused about this bussing - you can surely see why I felt so confident in the town bloc because all three of us seemed to have less incentive to push Davsto's lynch than OGML or Not_Mafia. Also why I was gobsmacked that we even went to night phase yesterday. As such, what do you think about OGML and my interactions? OGML was strong on two points "build a town bloc" and "pablito says scum did not bus scum - so don't drink his kool-aid".

Lucky2u · Post Post #623 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:32 pm

it worries me when you talk in the third person...

Vedith · Post Post #624 (ISO) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:12 pm

The VC in 621 just doesn't make sense. The main issue we have is that none of us were on the Lucky wagon (obviously Lucky wasn't).

What did you both find scummy about Dav to the build up and vote? I haven't had time yet but I'll look over to see if there were reasons stated, but I'd like to know if there were additional reasons, posts etc.
@Pab - What about Lucky was town to not gain your vote?