Newbie 1764 Dead Topic

[mhsmith0]

Welcome to Newbie 1764 Dead Thread!

If you're reading this, you're dead or an observer. Thanks for playing/watching!

[mhsmith0]

Welcome regfan!

[Regfan]

Hey I know a player in the game and will be following along when I can.

Currently have Nydus & Ramicus as my strongest town reads. Decent chance that Mewt is town here and have a very weak town read on Accountant. Would probably be voting Charloux here, also would be watching Pep more intently since I disliked his opener post.

[Regfan]

Accountants response towards Nydus is very very town.

I'd probably move forward with a strong town block of Nydus/Ramicus/Accountant.

[Regfan]

Accountants recent posts continue to strengthen my town read there.

I really dislike Peps FoS on Accountant here, his reasoning that he uses behind it actually make more sense to call Accountant town for not scum and the timing of it fits as scum bandwagoning a FoS that's been presented. His avoidance on anything specific in regards to players is a rather significant scum tell too.

I'm currently at:

Town (S->W):

Nydus, Accountant, Ramcius, [Gap], Mewt.

Null:

Gamma, Buffet, VVD

Scum (S->W):

Pep, Charloux

[Regfan]

It's been some time since I've played newbie games, do scum have daytalk nowadays?

[mhsmith0]

No day talk

[Regfan]

Cheers.

I think Nydus has got himself caught on an incorrect tunnel on Accountant here, will be interesting if he can pull himself out of it.

[Regfan]

I dislike a lot of Charloux's recent posts but not in a "They're scummy!" type manner, I actually find the attitude of "I"m not revealing everything I have yet" and "I'm pathetic as town, a burden etc." to be something unlikely to come from scum particularly scum that's newer. I also somewhat like his "If Accountant is scum how can we even catch him" thought process, reads genuine. Happy moving him out of my scum reads.

I liked VVD questioning Gammas town read on him but the rest of his post was fairly underwhelming.

Dislike just about everything in Peps #117, would still be voting him.

[Regfan]

Ramicius continues to be blatantaly town.

Peps attacking Accounant based on posts Ramicius made and not Accountant while also piggybacking on Nydus's reasoning is also very scummy. Really would be pushing for his lynch at the moment.

[Regfan]

Mewts recent posting particularly her lines directed at Ramicus comes across as her

knowing

he's town? But she's also questioning his alignment in the post. My town read on that slot is gone.

[Regfan]

Accountants #163 isn't great, still think he's town but he drops down a level from Nydus/Ramicius.

Complete lack of content from DWB is troubling but the amount of flack he's receiving in comparison to say Pep is odd.

Gammas still not coming across as town to me, really need him to post some substantial content.

Mewts #154 to Accountant comes across as very towny.

[Regfan]

I'm currently at:

Town (S->W):

Nydus, Ramcius, [Gap], Accountant, [Gap], Mewt/Charloux/VVD

Null:

Gamma, Buffet

Scum (S->W):

Pep

Something like Pep+Gamma would be my early scum team guess.

[Regfan]

Gammas #183 is very scummy especially considering he's voting DWB while stating it and having him as his strongest scum read, it's not a post you make as town about your top scum read. Like that Nydus has picked up on it too.

[mhsmith0]

From pm conversation, minor spoilers inside

Spoiler:

I'm ready to lock in some reads / guesses!

Interested in hearing from you how accurate they are, I'll submit the following two statements;

1.

Both

Ramicius and Nydus are town.
2. There is at

minimum

one scum inside Gamma, DWB & Pepe.

Just a "both true" or "not both true" answer would suffice!

Statement #2 is true. I'm not verifying or denying statement 1.

[Regfan]

Haha, thanks for that mhsmith (You're still an evil mod though) I will solve this game or die trying!

[mhsmith0]

Regfan has been turned into a

neutral survivor

and mod-killed. Have a nice day.

[Regfan]

Shit mod, GL town.

Both Accountant & Gammas recent posts in regards to Nydus are rather bad.

[Regfan]

Spoiler: Scum team speculation, don't read if you don't want to be spoiled

Even though there's no confirmation that Nydus/Ramicius are town I'd still bank on those reads being correct, if one of them are playing a good scum game props to them. Removing them from the pool with the information I have leaves the only possible scum teams as;

Pep-DBW
Pep-Gamma
Pep-VVD
Pep-Charloux
Pep-Mewt

Pep-Accountant

DBW-Gamma
DBW-VVD
DBW-Mewt
DBW-Charloux
DBW-Accountant
Gamma-VVD

Gamma-Mewt

Gamma-Charloux
Gamma-Accountant

I've striked out the scum team pairings I think are near impossible via play/interactions. I'd say the exact scum team pairing is unmarked in that list.

[Regfan]

Nydus/Ramicius/Accountant interaction is frustrating to read. I like that Gamma was the one that stepped in and stated he has town reads on most of them but I don't think it's the strongest of alignment tells since it's quite easy to do as mafia.

I'd still be focusing on the Pep slot with my vote and pressuring him if he returns or his replacement if that happens followed by DWB/Gamma equally.

[Regfan]

It's getting to the point where I think Accountant is town but

want

him to be scum because this isn't the example that an experienced townie should be showing to newbies.

Nydus reasoning on not being entirely worried with the DWB votes while still pursuing his scum read (Even though I think his scum read is wrong and if Accountants town would know is wrong) is an entirely reasonable one and the manner that Accountants pushing back here is fairly nonsensical.

People in the game need to be doing things like;

- Getting Pep to expand on his scum read on Accountant because most of his reasoning thus far should have him having Accountant as town and get him to comment on other players.

- Get Gamma to explain his scum read on DWB since if it's not based on lack of contribution (Which he's saying it's most certainly not based on) then it's not been explained at all and isn't for a particularly obvious reason either.

[Regfan]

I like Ramicius asking the question and Nydus pushing Gamma in regards to his "Deleted notes" response, it's a real cop out and doesn't explain why he's felt the need to keep his vote on DWB while simultaneously calling something he's done town. With such a small ISO it shouldn't take him long to 'remember' the reason if one ever existed.

[Regfan]

Gammas dancing around not explaining his DWB scum read which doesn't mesh with his "Please come up with better reasons than lynching a lurker for DBW" and "I'm voting him based on content. The meta is not enough of a counterpoint." comments. The "hedging" dislike comment doesn't make sense given that the person that DWB was hedging was Gamma

himself.

I sadly think people will just drop this and never go back to it.

Still liking my Pep+Gamma scum team guess but I might now be voting Gamma over Pep.

[Regfan]

Mewts breakdown of the Accountant v Nydus thing comes across as very townie, the comparison to a prior case where it was TvT, stating he thinks it's the same situation here and attempt to actually converse with the parties to pull them out of their tunnel has a lot of town motivation behind it.

Had it not been for Mewts post to Charloux where the tone of it was awkward he'd be in my "town lock" pile at the moment, as is I'm still relatively happy to call him town.

[Regfan]

I take that back actually, Mewt can flat out join my town core as is.

Accountant can too with the caveat being that I think the only world where he makes sense as scum is with DBW since it'd make sense for him in that situation to push on Nydus in the manner he's been doing so.