Bring the Dead [Bringer Mafia]

[Firebringer]

Welcome:
Cooperative Sheep
MariaR
Hawk
ChaosOmega
WhemeStar
Fro99er
Aj The Epic
Alisae
Gerryoat
Terata
HavingFitz

[Firebringer]

Welcome Hawk

[Hawk]

Knew I was dead after all that crap d1.

At least I was just a universal backup.

Fire spoil me.

[Hawk]

Sheep, Wheme, ECM is my guess

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That's my guess without any further analysis.

[Hawk]

Also hi sheep

[Firebringer]

Sheep, Wheme, ECM is my guess

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That's my guess without any further analysis.

None of these!

[Hawk]

WTF.
Wait...

Could Wheme have saved me? I thought he was scum cause I died and as odd night rolestopper it seemed obvious to block for me or frog

Also spoil me however you want I want to know who else was scum.

[Firebringer]

Well:

Spoiler: SPOILS

Wheme is rolestopping fro99er to protect him.
Scum kind of think they are screwed but really they are fine.

I won't give you anymore info on all the power in this game, but yeah Wheme is what he claims to be.

[Cooperative Sheep]

Hello deaders!

[Hawk]

Hey sheep. No hard feelings but something about your play screamed scum and I dug in hard to what I could find.

ECM has the same thinking I did when Wheme claimed. Cause I thought odd night would imply there maybe even nights to compensate meaning town has a myriad of roles. Now that we've seen that Sheep was an even night role tho you should make the same assumption and just play like Wheme is town. Also don't lynch Wheme here cause even if he is scum he can't do anything tonight besides perform the night kill if he's being truthful about his role being odd night.

Why is scum worried Fire? can you give me anything as to anything hint? Since you won't spoil me and my guess was wrong apparently in guessing there wasn't scum on Sheep's Wagon? or if there was there was only 1.

[Hawk]

ECM is gonna get himself hung for not making a damn bit of sense...

Is there scum between

Chaos and Fitz?

Just a feeling because of who's been active today and who's laying low...

[Firebringer]

Nope!

[Cooperative Sheep]

@Hawk - no hard feelings at all, you were right so maybe you did ping to something. It was annoying to be trying a new playstyle and pulling scum so early before I'd even test drove the playstyle properly. Then again, I almost always seem to pull scum regardless, I'm definitely not in the appropriate 33% ratio.

[Hawk]

I really like the idea behind it. It's a very confident tone you had but I think it felt very inorganic and your arguments with Fro99er didn't help. I never once after I came back around and tried to catch up thought you were town. Something about it just didn't sit right, maybe it'll play better with more practice?

Honestly I am ridiculously surprised that we lynched you. And it's rough because I'm fairly certain I only died because my argument against you being town was going to make me pretty much comf!town and a possible PR. Meaning if we had pushed for lynch on Lowell this game would be way different. Did scum buss you? Cause I'm having a hard time seeing why they would but there has to be one vote there unless scum team is

AJ and Gerry

which I guess could work but I have reservations about that combo.

Sheep how do you think your Scum buddies are playing? Also do you have any advice. Im still not back used to forum mafia and struggle sometimes with finding things and wording myself in a concise manner.

[Cooperative Sheep]

I think the lynch on me was mostly fluff, I'll admit - to my perception people kept pushing misreps on me simply because they had been repeated enough everyone started to act like they were true. That said, maybe I'm just grossly misunderstanding the push on me (heaven knows nothing I said or did actually dismantled it, so maybe my read of it was off) but that was my read of it.

I prefer not to say much about my scumpartners at this stage simply because I find spoiled topics kind of 'meh' - I think it leads to too much of the DeadTopic just being people screaming insults at the remaining town for missing 'obvious' things while ignoring that the dead topic tends to be full of 1. Spoilers 2. A giant Mason think tank and 3. People scum theoretically killed from the game for a reason.

Since you lynched me I'm not sure what advice to offer - I'd say maybe the following thoughts;

1. You were a little too easy for me to answer half a question and avoid a second half of your post that was more difficult tolie about - maybe try to pay attention when people sidestep stuff (I'll admit I do that and occasionally am scumread for being pedantic and argumentative, but I do consider it an important part of scumhunting and sorting.

2. I'd say Frog is a good example of pushing a case compared to your method. The core of a case should be about a sentence, it should be simple and say what you consider to be scum, and be able to repeat it a dozen times a day to brainwash/convince people. I think your cases tended to be long rambles, which is why no one sheeped your take on me much.

That would be about it for my thoughts.

[Hawk]

AJ has gotten really quiet not a lot on d2. Considering I flipped town and he was associating me with Lowell I guess he could be analyzing the game but hes really low flying today. Unknowns posts feel very awkward. ECM still looks very scummy to me :/.

Terata got really quiet too not sure if that's a scum tell or not.

I don't like that Gerry is now so involved but disecting Sheep is what I would have done after a scum flip. Especially trying to figure out who's town off of it. But you gotta take it with a grain of salt because you never know to what distance you can place scum. Fro99er was being heavily townread d1 so saying Sheep and fr099er aren't paired isn't outside a realm of reason. Though at this point I think I would say it is more likely fro99er is town than not.

Chaos is also flying really low. Odd feeling he is an even night role.

[Cooperative Sheep]

I think it's very viable to analyze scum, generally speaking I try to look at who they actually aggressively pushed on to rule those people out. It seems to usually bear good fruit.

[Hawk]

Cooperative Sheep you should read this game of mine because while that's a good call it burned us a bit as town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=69733

I like analyzing scum if we get a flip but it's not always fruitful in the ways you want it to be.

[Cooperative Sheep]

I am aware that it doesn't always work - but there isn't a method in the game that always works. I do think the method usually works, and therefore it is a good method.

[Hawk]

I don't disagree. I'm not changing my method. I just thought you'd care to see a terrible example of two scum theatre where they actively just scumread each other lol.

AJ and Lowell's reentries after prod feels weird. :/

[Hawk]

Okay Lowell looks much better with that recap, I would lynch ECM too in most of there shoes cause he just isn't making sense. Wheme if I was alive is town but I guess I jumped that gun a bit quick thinking that he didn't proc me when to me it made sense that I would die after you got lynched sheep since that almost makes me comftown especially as a PR claim with breadcrumbs.

ECM probably gets misLynched today and I think scum are actually being quiet about it right now because it makes too much sense.

[Firebringer]

ChaosOmega now joins us.

[Hawk]

Sup Chaos. I thought for sure ECM was coming and not you for a little while there.

[Cooperative Sheep]

It felt like the Chaos train was pretty set in to me, I worked to try to connect us a bit prior to death, and also people really seemed to glom onto his "counterclaim" element from Day 1, which I think hurt his survival chances.

[Hawk]

Who do you think the NK is? Do you leave Wheme alive for potential mislynch with another odd night coming up?? I mean the longer Wheme stays alive the more chance he is a mislynch right??