Ali Plays - Civ 5

[Alisae]

Can Ali build a civilzation that can stand the test of time?
I mean yeah I probably can but find out through this playthrough!

[Alisae]

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And just in case

[Alisae]

Okay so I want people to help me pick the Civ I play
I'm probably going to decide via bracket style
Here are the civs
https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Ci ... ons_(Civ5)

The only ones that I will refuse to play as is Iroquois or Venice.
Venice doesn't make for entertaining gameplay and the Iroquoi's passive literally doesn't work.

For rules, I'll be playing on Immortal. Thats the 2nd highest difficulty.

[Alisae]

Well I need people to suggest Civs first!

[Alisae]

I posted a list of civs that you can pick from!

[Alisae]

you don't really need to know the game just pick what interests you

Russia is one that interested me for quite awhile so I'm happy that you suggested it

[Alisae]

Play 6.

no I am a boomer I don't like new things

[Alisae]

1. How are iroquois broken, I can find nothing on the subject / they used to be one of my favorites and I don't recall this

2. Civ 6 was what it took to finally convince me that civ 5 is a bad game, play civ 6

I'm glad you asked!
Let's talk about the passive that they have.

(1) Units move through Forest and Jungle in Friendly Territory as if they were roads. (2) These tiles can be used to establish City Connections upon researching The Wheel. (3) Caravans move along Forest and Jungle as if they were roads.

Ability 1 is fine, but you will remove forests and Jungle is like an okay bonus, but its only friendly territory. If it was all territory, its a different story.
Ability 2 suggest something that isn't true. It establishes City Connections in that a Habor establishes a City Connection. What it makes you THINK, especially with Ability 1 is that Forest and Jungle tiles are road tiles, which they are not. Say you have a City, a plains tile, a river, a jungle, a jungle, and a city. You don't want to waste money, you want to use your unique ability. What you should be able to do is build 1 road on that plains tile and that results in a City Connection. Yes, this establishes a City Connection.

But here is the big deal
Can you move military units across that?
Nope.
What happens is once you get engineering, your unit can cross the river for free.
Road tile to Jungle tile will still take full movement.
So once you cross the river, you are forced to take a dead stop.

The Forest and Jungle tiles will NOT connect with other roads. Transitioning takes full movement points.
And for Ability 3, who cares?


Also Civ 5 is extremely exploitable in things you can do. I'm not at all argueing it is a good game, Civ 6 is probably better as you say, but I enjoy Civ 5.

[Alisae]

no thanks

[Alisae]

I also said I didn't want to play as those that aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah =(

[Alisae]

btw did I say Diety I definitely meant Immortal

[Alisae]

Should I let people suggest civs for one more day?

[Alisae]

1 more day of suggesting civs ig

[Alisae]

Alright, I'm going to add Spain to the list to kind of even things out a bit

here's your bracket, 24 hours to vote, go nuts

Carthage vs Egypt
Korea vs Japan
The Huns vs Russia
Shoshone vs Spain
Morocco vs Greece

[Alisae]

I'm modeling this after the Avatar brackets in the speakeasy

[Alisae]

since we will have an odd one out, I'll either
A. suggest another civ and pair it against another civ (or allow a late entry)
or
B. just let the odd one out be a finalist.

[Alisae]

Hey now 1 late entry not 3
But I’ll just accept Chinese :3

[Alisae]

bracket already started and I only accepted Chinese to fill in for the uneven amount of spots in the next round
sorry
avatar looks dope tho

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

I would rather dominate the world with Poverty

[Alisae]

Having a taoism symbol with the name poverty?
Is it mean? I mean yeah ig.
Is it funny? Yes

[Alisae]

btw I'll be playing Mother 3 as well!
viewtopic.php?f=92&t=81547

[Alisae]

btw should probably mention
I'm more then willing to play through multiple games of this after I play through whatever Civ I'm assigned first.
Civ is super replayable and each game is its own little story, so yeah.

[Alisae]

Carthage vs Egypt
1 - 3

Korea vs Japan
2 - 2
I am tiebreaking in favor of Korea. Sorry Elbrin, Korea is just a far more interesting civ.
Like, straight up, Korea's units are hilarious.
I can explain in more detail if anyone wants me to.

Actually, I'm willing to comment about any civ if anyone wants me to.

The Huns vs Russia
2 - 2
I though about who I am tiebreaking in favor of for this for a bit.
Russia is someone I've been wanting to play for awhile now
And while the Huns have a playstyle I'm not that used to, I think it will be extremely entertaining.
Plus, we can do a singalong about how I'm going to make a man out of someone or something

I'm tiebreaking Huns over Russia for content.

Shoshone vs Spain
2 - 2
I'm tiebreaking Shoshone over Spain. I suggested Spain to try and make sure everyone was paired against something else in the bracket.


Morocco vs Greece
3 - 1

So Round 2 consists of
Egypt
Korea
The Huns
Shoshone
Morocco
Byzantium

the pairings will be

Morocco vs Shoshone
Byzantium vs Egypt
The Huns vs Korea

Winner of this will face off against the other winners.
Ywall got until the end of the day tomorrow

[Alisae]

Also if you didn't catch it in the post
I decided to include Byzantium over China since GE already suggested a civ with Russia and the guy who wanted me to play Byzantium didn't get to suggest anything
and also I changed my mind and decided Byzantium would be fun to play

[Alisae]

"Korea is more interesting than Japan"

I mean if your idea of interesting gameplay is being handed a free victory, sure!

I wanna fuck someone up with turtle ships my guy

[Alisae]

turtle ships are hilarious

[Alisae]

all of Korea's units are actually hilarious
sure their passive makes them extremely broken, we all know this.

I'm not ever using Samurai. Straight up, I'm not researching Steel until I finished Research Lab tech.
Steel is the worst tech in the renissance era and immedately after you research that, you can research musket tech.
Longswordmen just aren't a thing, and to actually get culture from fishing boats, you need to build fishing boats, and those things take so much production for a 1 term use.

Zeros aren't amazing either (they would be if they were a Triplane replacement!) and their passive just sucks.

I will say tho, the color scheme for that civ is super dope.

[Alisae]

Also I was actually hoping Korea wouldn't win against The Huns, since while Turtle Ships are situationally funny, Battering Rams are funny and they're not situational.
Oh well shame

3 way FFA of Morocco, Egypt, and Korea.

place your votes
you got till end of the day.

[Alisae]

Guess I'm playin as Korea

[Alisae]

Chapter 1

- The first 71 Turns

Anyhow, these are the rules we will be playing on


anyhow lets get in game


well first lets move our warriors out a bit


As for this settler, I think I want to be right next to the mountain.
Hopefully I'm not moving away from my iron or horses by doing this
On strategic balanced I will get 4 horses and 6 iron in my starting location


Marble and Bananas and Sugar. This was a good choice I think.


btw I'm using the enhanced user interface mod, thats why my hud will look different compared to what it normally is.
Anyhow I want pottery tech because I want to build a shrine, I want to build scouts and we foudn ruins!
Also we are gonna grow pretty quickly because we have a lot of growth, we're currently working the cattle which is 3 growth


The ruins gives us culture which is good!
we get a policy next turn in fact!
We'll be opening in Tradition
Also we found another ruins and we'll be making our way down there.


The ruins upgrades our warriors into spearmen.
kinda wish I was huns atm because if I just stumbled upon an unprotected flatland city, I would take it with battering rams
no questions asked


We expanded to the Marble and we also grew, so we will work the Marble since that gives us the most amount of food atm.
We also have our scouts so lets start exploring with them
We're building a monument which we will sell off when we get the free monument policy.


We're gonna hold off on building the monument for a bit and try to rush the shrine, also there's a camp and ruins next to the camp.


Yay a pop ruin!
this is easily the best ruin in the game, population like this is good!
We also just got the Bananas and can work those


Our scouts met Vatican City and we have enough faith to found a pantheon!
its also extremely close by so we should definitely be able to steal workers from them
Anyhow since we found that and its 10 turns till our next policy, I'm going to put the Monument ahead of the Shrine.
We already have a Pantheon anyways

speaking of which, lets talk about what we're going to find for our pantheon
Culture from Pastures seems ok, however we really need to find a way to actually get a Relgion
We might go God-King because we honestly don't have anything thats that better.
Actually, God-King is super good because we were the first to meet Vatican City
Yeah, we're going God-King


A bit happened, first we were the first to meet Jerusalem
so we're even more ahead in Faith
and we also met The Zulus

Also we have 6 horses within range of our Capital
So that is good


Our scouts also found ruins and the Grand Mesa


Oh god is this a game where I'm going to be killed off
thats not fun

Anyhow we built our Shrine, its time to expand
we're building a settler, and the ruins gave us gold, which is enough gold to buy the sheep.
So we're working a ton of production and we'll have a Settler out on turn 5


ok

Anyhow we got our free monument tech now
we're going to settle our 2nd city right next to the Barb Camp, I want the dyes and if we get a Great General, we can steal the spices from the city state
we're also going to hard build a worker lul


Ah yes, a worker
I can steal that!


We settled the City of Busan, and we have whales as well
this city is worth happiness wise, though it might not be worth the tiles.


Also I bought some tiles because we NEED this hill, and they also have workers for me to steal!

Anyhow now we're unhappy and we need to start improving luxuries
we can also work production since we're not growing, we're actually starving but we'll lose pop in 16 turns, by that point we should have a granary up and running


We get another policy and Monarchy should fix out Happiness issues as we got from -1 unhappiness to +1 happiness.
We still need to get some luxuries online.


Barbs are in our way trying to escort the worker, and also we're gonna build another settler.

We finished Mathamatics so we can build hanging gardens atm, but I want to expand first.

We also just finished Mining and we're now researching Calendar


I see 1 more worker to take so I will take that


Looking down there's 2 city states there and oh boy Shaka is expanding.
Anyhow I think I want a Caravan so I can feed Busan food

Anyhow we get Calendar and we also need Masonry so we can clear the marsh to actually work these luxuries


We finish our Caravan so we can feed Busan food, we get Masonry Tech so we can actually improve the sugar and the Marble, I think I'm going to go for Iron Tech to try and get myself Iron


What is the Zulu doing sending an army up here
also I'm bad at the game and we starved and lost a pop.
Oh well.


Discovering Iron gives us 6 Iron in both of our cities.

Anyhow now we're on turn 44.
Seoul was 5 pop but it went to 4 because lol i'm bad.
Busan is at 3 pop popping out a Granary next turn.
Jeonju hasn't been growing because I'm bad, but it produces a Shrine next turn.

Lighthouses I don't need so no reason to go for Optics
Currency and Iron Working is a waste of time to research
I think I am going to go for Writing I'm finishing the Hanging Gardens in 3 turns so we should be able to get that and Librarys will actually start to produce meaningful amounts of Science since we're gonna grow a lot.


Busan is gonna build a Chariot Archer, I am kinda scared of a Zulu attack atm since his military is near and there's nothing else thats really better for that city to build atm aside from a Work Boat


We did it!
Yay!

Anyhow lets research Trapping, also I'm going to build a Chariot Archer in Seoul to kill time and have a military so I can defend myself


See Shaka, this is why I'm building military.
Its because for some reason you keep coming over here and making fun of my weak military.


Way over here is Egypt!


This is literally above Busan
I'm actually mad tilted
but its ours tho so

Anyhow we finished some tech I think I'm going to beeline Chivalry tech


WE ARE FINDING A RELGION BABY

Anyhow, I said I was naming this Poverty.
Its what I literally said I was doing.


This is what our Religion is going to look like.
Pagodas are also avaliable but the production from this is pretty good.


We're going to build the Great Lighthouse because it only takes us 3 turns wynaut honestly.


See easy

We're gonna build 1 more Settler and settle around here


Anyways lets get that Writer's Guild up in Seoul


OH MY GOD
VATICAN CITY IS DEAD
ZULUS ARE ON A WARPATH
I guess we're going to have to prep for that huh

[Alisae]

Chapter 2

- How the fuck does the AI just pump out this many units

Alright, we're gonna put the Zulus down


We settled this and we're kinda unhappy


Ah yes, heres the military boys


Alright fucker bring the pain


I placed a charriot there nad it got murdered oh my


WHAT IS THIS

Meanwhile while we're fighting war

God dammit there goes my late game strategy


Anyhow we defended our Capital!
Yay!


rip this city tho


What is THAT doing here


Its been 30 turns and they are Determined to make this war work
Like, I wish I was able to meet other civs so I could pay them off to fight this idiot for me
but no
I HAVE to fight him off


Like what the fuck IS this


WHAT
IS THIS
I CAN'T MEET PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH THIS FOR ME


WE HAVE A SPY SET UP AND WHAT IS THAT MILITARY
Like here's the thing
he's going to attack me FOREVER


we have our Hwach'as as well as we're allowed to enhance our religion




I'm sorry this is insufferable I can't
This is literally 20 units.
LITERALLY
This feels super cheep to just ask for a new civ because of this so I'm going to boot up a new game and nope the fuck out of this one.

and this feels so shitty because like
we had an AMAZING start.
It was really good.
But no this fucking baby just wants to kill everything
Like
Nope
I'm out of here.

NEW GAME

[Alisae]

Now that I think about it
I think I needed like
an actual frontline
like Pikemen or something
maybe that would have helped
but like
20 units


I don't get this game's AI sometimes.

[Alisae]

what woudl have REALLY helped was if I was allowed to MEET people.
I could definitely have bought someone off to declare war on Shaka
definitely.

thats technically how you're supposed to deal with the AI wanting to kill you
you make the AI fight among themselves and deal with that bullshit so you don't have to.


I'm sorry I'm just so mad atm because like
my start was amazing.

[Alisae]

yeah I'm sure Japan definitely wins that war

[Alisae]

I'm sure they can somehow deal with 20 units
somehow they'll find a way

[Alisae]

no they couldn't

[Alisae]

Chapter 3

- Ah Shit Here We Go Again

anyhow new game


Yeah I'ma settle right away I'm happy with this start I think


Yay!


thats ok ig


this makes me slightly happy


this is cool too


Yay horses I can work


Yes hi hello


ok so thats where Denmark is


Yeah hi

anyhow we can find a Pantheon but the only thing thats good for us is God-King so...


We have our Settler so lets get the Marble ig

we also came across a pop ruin yay



hi


Oh yay we got the worker we had to hard build


YOU ASS
MY SETTLERS ARE GOING TO DIE BECAUSE OF YOU


I have to move my settlers on the Marble and settle them there but like
FUCK YOU
I wanted the River
Settling on top of Marble isn't a bad thing tho
we'll get the Marble by settling on it so we get the happiness its just
ugh I really wanted that River



We have a 2nd settler now and we want the Citrus here

It might be a bit tho since Barbs


We were given Spears
Yay!


Hello to you too


Anyhow we met 5 people and no one went Tradition
We have a 3rd City
going to go for the Gardens it should be free


Thanks for the Spears they allowed me to steal your worker lul



She wants Friendship
thats fine


You see Mt. Kailash
we're going to try and get it after we get Gardens


We got the Hanging Gardens Yay!


Settler complete
lets try to get to Mt. Kailash


4th Religion?
we take it

same name symbol and beliefs as our last run


we did it friends, all thats left is to buy the tiles


So anyhow, we reached turn 74 and we're not in war!
Yay
lets see whats going on with the rest of our civ


never mind we might go to war but there you go
We're running into the opposite problem where I can't bribe anyone to go to war with Denmark since no one knows them


we got a great writer, yay!
what I like to do with these is save them till I need to use them.
I don't see any real reason to use it atm, we don't have access to Rationalism yet so...


He wanted Open Boarders and thinking about it
Sure
I'll give him Open Boarders
it means he won't kill me and he'll meet other people so I can bribe other people to go to war with him even though that might not work out
Alright sure you got yourself a deal


Ok so ig I can spy on Aarhus so I can get vision and see what he's planing on doing


WE GOT IT
WE JUST NEED ALHAMBRA
HOPEFULLY WE GET ALHAMBRA


ALRIGHT LETS GET ALHAMBRA NOW


Anyhow Denmark isn't looking too threatening atm.


Another one huh


Alright theres the military


I don't want war but I'll move my units this is for self defense.


UGGGGGGGGGH
its ok
I think I'll be fine.


Yikes Aztecs doing work


Yay Education lets build Unis!


oh fuck off thats annoying


Suuuuure
you can have that


oh an artist thats cool
I'll wait till I get a golden age to use it.

Anyhow we're at turn 100
here is how we are doing


and honestly, this is fine. Unis are going up, and we also have workshops to build
we have enough military that we're not getting stomped my Denmark this time around


and we just got Physics so if Denmark decides to attack us or is planing to, we can start working on Hwach'as in advance.

[Alisae]

Chapter 4

- To the Labs!

Yeah, we really need these dyes online.
my gameplan is to enter Renaissance through Observatory tech
This way our capital can be generating more science and so would Busan if not for that Denmark scout.
I am so mad about that but old news it happened we adapt


Cool lets get ourselves some money!


The Denmark military is increasing!


Cool so someone met Denmark!


Also we get to steal Steel
lol who cares but ok


Small Congress
I think I am going to enact Natural Heritage Sites so I can get Cultrue from my Natural Wonder


"Basic technological secret" btw


Ah yes, Astronomy.
Time to expend our Writers!

Ah yeah, Rationalism opened
feels good!


AND our merchant gets to make us money!


I can give you money, or I can build you a road.
I'm building you a road.
Anyhow lets go Crossbowmen tech then Architecture so we can get Porcelain Tower


no I will not renew that deal you didn't use it.


There's a camp down there and its annoying me
we can deal with it I suppose


Anyhow we got this we can upgrade our backline

Also I decided to give Burssels 500 Gold.
We're still building them a road.


OH NO
THATS AN IMPI


Another writer, very cool!


very cool lets get started on Porcelain Tower!


Took us a long time but we can enhance our religion finally!

This is what our religion looks like

I decided to go Defender of the Faith because its good for defending against a Denmark invasion, and Divine Inspiration because the faith is good and we have some wonders to make it work.


Yay our first scientist. We save these.


Worlds Fair is going to be enacted no matter what, lets try to enact Natural Heritage Sites

Anyhow so that fails and World's Fair passes.
I'm going to try and get that to pass tho


oh yay public school tech!


we are now adopting Secularism, this means we generate even more science.
we're currently generating 273 science.
now its 330


yay we get our tower!


Can I point out that this city sucks.
Like it just sucks.


Woah coal tech
lets see if we have coal!
and we have no coal
I'm kinda mad
In fact, Denmark doesn't even have coal BUT


Daegu has like 3 coal it can expand to but it might be a while, and Kabul can expand to the coal.
So ig Kabul is extremely important!


oh Busan can also try to expand to the coal
that would be nice!
this is like a slap in the face because Denmark REALLY screwed me over.
Like oh my god, I would actually have that coal by now!


the artist is cool tho thank you

Anyhow, we have enough production put towards the World's Fair to get the free Policy from it.
we don't actually need to build that anymore

Anyhow, we got to Radio and now we're the first to find an Ideology
we are going to Autocracy


Now we have Big Ben woot!


I find this funny because we could literally put like 2-3 more turns into this and we could have won it.
But it doesn't matter we get the policy and thats all that matters


We also get a Scientist AND a Golden Age
shit son
thats all you had to say!


We should try to get Brandenburg Gate.
I think we should be able to 3x promote if not 4x promote things.
Well hopefully we can 4x Promote but if we can't oh well.

Anyhow new things to Enact
the Aztecs want to ban Silver, I don't care, I just want my cultrue from my Natural Wonder.

People really want Natural Heritage Sites to fails
Well the Silver ban failed as well

Also I just realized I forgot to use my Artists
lol we still have 4 turns of golden age lets use those real quick

Also we got another one.
lul


Anyhow, Byzantium is annoying me and sending Prophets into my lands.


hmmmmmmm
ok sure


Also we got this


wait since when did this show up
I can use this to get the coal!


We can now work the coal!
Yay we can get Factories!


HERE WE GO
PLASTICS TECH
WE CAN BUILD LABS!


I guess I need to Coup this city state so it doesn't die.
Sure.
I can do that


yay!


Super yay!


Yay we have oil!


This is also good!

So anyhow, its been awhile.
What do our cities look like


with specialists capped in the Artist's Guild, Public School, University, Windmill, and Workshop


With specialists capped in the Writer's guild, Unis, Schools, Bank, Market, Workshop, and now Factory (I unworked the truffles)


Specials capped in School, Uni, Market, Windmill, and Workshop


With Specialists Capped in School, Uni, Market, and Workshop.


oh its too late for them.
I could probably stomp them right now actually.


No thats my city state


Daegu finished its research labs!

So on turn 192 we'll start bulbing scientists!


Sure I'll take free Culture


yay we did it
we built our wonder!

also we can enact stuff now in the World Congress!
so gimmie my dam Natural Heritage Sites


Poor Musician not allowed to Musician Bomb me
LMFAO
Take that shit somewhere else.


Yeah this city is really cute.



You really want to fight me huh.
Okay give me a sec I need to get to turn 192!

[Alisae]

Chapter 5

- Endgame

Alright, we have now hit turn 192!
Who is excited
I am!
Well I'm going to wait 1 turn because I'm discovering Rockets on the next turn.
But this is where we use ALL of these scientists!



I also will have an engineer ready to build Hubble!


And I have an Engineer ready


also here is the map if anyone is interested.
Yeah
Denmark is an easy kill.


let me just finish up all of these things real quickly


Boom


This is a sad moment
not one that matters though.


Also, pro tip:
Don't build Oxford until late game.


So we basically just completed the Tech Tree.


we can't quad promote our xcoms but we can 3x promote them which is good enough honestly.

Alright so we got a golden age
who is ready for some good ol fashon WAR!


LETS KILL HIM!


oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
this is so sad alexa =(


I'm killing you next.


You just denounced me...


Anyhow we took the Capital.
Who is next.
Hmmm


I think I will kill Budapest next. I need the city to be able to be in range of Constantinople.


Actually we can just take Adrianople and then Constantinople.


Alright lady time to die


Give us 10 turns to prepare


Next is Constatinople.


who cares, I just took Constantinople


oh no
1 booster
what ever will I do?


Bai bitch


sure wynaut


Shut up
you're irrelevant.


meh sure


you are completeing these boosters quickly huh


Anyhow we captured Vienna

Alright time to end the game

I have 6 Atom bombs on these carriers


nope sorry gotta win


Did you know
that you could nuke a city to death
then take it in the same turn using Xcoms if they have blitz. Yeah its pretty good.


Alright GG we basically used Xcoms to get vision of the Capital and then we blew it up with nukes




Goodnight, this was lots of fun!

[Alisae]

I was very salty at that time.

[Alisae]

Also the counterplay to xcoms is that they’re a paradropping unit that shouldn’t be able to attack after they paradropped.
Blitz as a promotion removes that counterplay

I’d argue that Stealth Bombers are way better then xcoms.
The easiest way to get 4x promoted xcoms is through Alhambra.
Without Alhambra, you have to get the xcom’s 4th promotion through the normal ways of getting experience.

I think its moreso the Blitz promotion is the culprit here.

[Alisae]

The biggest thing to understand is that against AI, saving your scientists and then bulbing them 8 turns after research labs have been completed in your major cities is a very big factor to consider here.
They don’t have the units to deal with xcoms or stealth bombers

[Alisae]

not sure but the screenshots didn't feel too time consuming.
It felt like when I had something to talk about, I screencapped it and talked about it.

The Early decisions seemed more important so maybe more time there but /shrug

[Alisae]

Will we get more playthroughs or will this be it

for sure there will be more I love this game

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Can't Ali just play this on twitch and have you guys watch? Just seems like that would be easier than screenshot and text.

I enjoy this more tbh

[Alisae]

its not time consuming at all
I press alt + x
and I take a screenshot of what I want to show off.
then I just write down my thoughts.

[Alisae]

the 3 game crashes I had late game where I was invading Austria were actually far more annoying then that.