The Mass Effect thread

[Hiraki]

The big issue with multiplayer at the moment is that my guns suck.

are you like

level 1?

You have to play like 3 games on each character to start to be doing decent

and you have to spam powers, rather than use them every so often

[Hiraki]

The big issue with multiplayer at the moment is that my guns suck.

are you like

level 1?

You have to play like 3 games on each character to start to be doing decent

and you have to spam powers, rather than use them every so often

Started at level 2. Somewhere around 11 now.

and you have to buy packs

a lot

once you get to a level 4 gun, you should be doing decently

then you have to aim for roman numeral guns

[Hiraki]

I've never encountered a game where I've been disconnected and I use Wifi. It's a very minor occurrence.

[Hiraki]

Yeah, but what else can they do? They'd have to stop for a few moments every wave just for that. It's a bit tiresome and annoying on both parts.

[Hiraki]

Because with Multiplayer it has to be uploaded to Origin and to the Xbox. With Singleplayer, at least so I believe, it'd just be the Xbox

[Hiraki]

I will pray 10 Bioware Prayers

will this help?

[Hiraki]

I have hope.

in indoctrination

[Hiraki]

we need a harbinger boss battle in there too

that's why they took so much time obv

sigh

[Hiraki]

I thought that the original delay of ME3 was for Kinect?

I can believe the Video-Gamey point btw.

The third point is the only point I can't get over

[Hiraki]

They still need time for testing. Even if it is done. They can't fuck this up.

[Hiraki]

doubtful

I would expect less than LotSB, to be completely honest

[Hiraki]

HARBINGERRRRRR

That was probably on disc though, right?

[Hiraki]

Um, well

with the extended cut

you could get a part where you pick blue/green and get a little video explaining how you're dumb and indoctrinated and stuff

blue would be the more aggressive one

[Hiraki]

see

people watch the documentary

it may be an hour and twenty minutes long(I think? Maybe it was two? I'm not entirely sure)

but it's worth it because it's not boring long it's just informational long

[Hiraki]

wake me up

wake me up when me3dlc comes ooutttt

[Hiraki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y7xk1_x8ko

guys

get ready to be disappointed

because this is going to be fucking shit

DO THEY NOT REALIZE

THAT THESE ENDINGS

DON'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE?

FOR FUCK'S SAKE, I DON'T CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT THE CHARACTERS

I'D RATHER THAT ALL THE TURIANS DIED RATHER THAN THIS SHITTY EXTENDING OF AN ENDING

I HOPE TO GOD

SHEPARD BETTER BE INDOCTRINATED

[Hiraki]

oh yeah that too.

it's just that it specifically says the line about not being indoctrinated @ thessia.

yknow

you could get indoctrinated after it

like on Earth

where it's like Reaper Hell

There was actually another really interesting thing about Infrasound in ME3, especially on Earth. When the guy who was on the trailer in Big Ben(we'll call him Sniper guy?) was on Earth and on a cutscene(and this is in the frame of a cutscene) small amounts of infrasound would be added to the game--nothing harmful of course and nothing noticeable unless you have the right tools. When he left the cutscene's frame, the infrasound is gone. I can't find the video, but it's on Youtube somewhere. Find it >___>

however

here's the really bad fucking part

and I hope this is false because it's fucking 1.9Gb

i don't want to waste that much

http://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comm ... al_combat/

[Hiraki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCQXwIIl ... ature=plcp

ok

he made a part two

watch it before tuesday

where we all die

please

[Hiraki]

I've only gotten through 20 minutes so far but a couple of these things really are nothing more than stretches.

I'll admit. this one is much more stretchier then the first one

40 minutes in is looking better. Especially the Hackett point

edit: the hour mark actually shows one of the most definite proofs that I've heard about

Spoiler:

basically, the first mass effect relay that blows up in the ending is from the viper cluster, which is where the arrival DLC takes place

[Hiraki]

His second? "The more work he gets done, the more stressed out he becomes."

LOL

But this is true?

[Hiraki]

I meant that as irony. Using that as confirmation of the theory while not saying that has an effect in the other places that are relevant is bad.

I'm still unsure what you mean. Can you give an example?

1:08:XX is also needs to be addressed by EC.

[Hiraki]

When the scene shifts, TIM is to the right, meaning "Shepard" is behind TIM's LEFT shoulder.

This is what I was thinking--so I'm glad someone else is thinking this.

Still, Anderson isn't looking at TIM. He's looking at the camera.

I think Bioware was breaking the fourth wall.

According to that picture, if this is correct, then the beam is taking paths that shouldn't be possible, namely the very first one where it goes to the right.

I didn't notice this, but there is one relay that splits the beam in two, so I don't think this is an accurate opinion either.

You still have to note that the Mass Relay doesn't exist in anyway possible and therefore has to be a major flaw on Bioware's part or a more proof.

I don't believe for a moment that Harbinger "held back".

So then what do you believe?

Do you believe he actually didn't get hit and Harbinger decided to yknow

be nice?

Shepard should've died multiple times in the ending

so why isn't he dead?

[Hiraki]

If the entire goal is indoctrination, why wouldn't they take the chance earlier on Menae (Palaven's moon) or any other time you meet a reaper?

Because the Reapers didn't know that Shepard was actually capable of finding a machine that could destroy the Reapers

I mean, according to IT, we don't know if the Crucible can stop the Reapers. We do know that it hasn't been fired yet though, according to IT once again.

I'm talking about the specific mass relay paths.

But there's a problem in that logic too. When Shepard uses a Mass Relay, this is especially apparent in ME3 (don't quote me though--I'm not willing to check, it might be another game) where it shows that Shepard has to use one Mass Relay to get to another Mass Relay to get to another etc. until he reaches his final destination.

I don't think the Mass Relays have a certain path that they HAVE to go where the others are connected because I'm pretty sure that'd make some mistakes in the beginning lore. They're just tools to help with FTL--like the wind in Wind Waker. You don't have to stay to the current of the wind directly, but can't go in the opposite direction.

If the goal is indoctrination, why the flying fuck would every reaper beam you get hit by in any other part of the game result in instant death?

I, myself, have found two conclusions for this.

First, it's Harbinger. The guy you made macho angry in ME2. Would killing Shepard really be satisfying or would trolling the fuck out of him be better?

I say B. But then again, this is a small point because yknow. The only thing that kind of amplifies this point(and again I'm not willing to check) but I'm pretty sure Harbinger says multiple times in ME2 "leave Shepard to me" or something to that effect. Again, I may be wrong but my gut is telling me I'm right on that point.

Second, bad writing. I'm not going to say "Bioware is god!!!11!1!" for the Indoctrination attempt. It's total shit and it's a very risky and not needed idea. It's creative, but BAD creative. If you have to make your bad in order to make it good later, there's a problem with your way of thinking. You could add the point that EA is supporting them financially and you get a shitty ending for a better one later.

There were also rumors flying around about the whole "lol EA rushed them so they'd have to make paid DLC later" which kind of picks up on the ending point with the little DLC hint.

in any case, I just found Part 2(:40 and onwards mind you) as a nice morale booster before hell is probably going to be razed with the whole EC DLC.

Edit2: I don't believe I attacked your Point 2 to my best ability, so let me add some more.

If the goal is indoctrination, sending him to sleep early and making the rest of the war in his mind would be a far better solution rather than trying to KILL him until the very last part of the game.

Indoctrination isn't like bloodbending(lol korra reference)

You have control over the person's body but you can't just say "LOL KILL SELF SO YOU DIE HAHAHAHAHA"

and it's also the point that ME3 is an indoctrination attempt, the last attempt being with Harby's beam and such

so they didn't really have total control over him to do this anyway

[Hiraki]

Why would they assume that the device that has been popping up every single cycle wouldn't appear and that the one person that keeps screwing up their plans wouldn't find it?

Because Harbinger seemed worried in ME2. I think he thought that the humans had a fighting chance. That's why they made a Human Reaper--or at least tried to.

they sure as hell would have ALL been told that indoctrination is better than straight up death.

So wouldn't every Reaper also know that Harbinger wants Shepard for himself? Not sure what you're trying to get here. Indoctrination is only better than death in people that are notable and are able to sway others.

like shepard. You couldn't really say Anderson because he already has a bad history with the Council. Shepard could have a bad history, but he doesn't necessarily have to. Even if he does, the new council has to respect his opinion since he did save the Citadel from Sovereign.

I'm saying that if they can use a beam to knock him unconscious and make him finish the war in his mind, then why wouldn't they do that earlier? Why would they try to kill him and suddenly decide at the end that those same beams that would have killed him just try to finish the indoctrination?

So they can use him since no one is getting to the Citadel. Earth's forces were decimated by the beginning of the "Trench Run"--Big Ben dude makes this clear as you wake up as he orders everyone to retreat. At that point, the only real battle that existed was the space battle. I mean, they were already getting PWNED by the Reapers much before that, so why would they have trouble now since a majority of the forces were in space? They'd probably have to retreat if the Crucible was never activated--Shepard could do just a bit of damage there.

Joke's on this guy for wasting hours and hours of his life compiling video trying to confirm a fan theory that's got just as many, if not more, stupid plotholes if you think about it too hard.

This is one of the most insulting posts I've ever seen on this site.

Just to wet your tastebuds, that's part two with Part 1 being around an hour and 20 minutes long(so I can recall) There's nothing bad about "wasting" time about something that someone is motivated about. I'm honestly surprised that this would ever have to be said here of all places. Do you think Mafia Discussion isn't worth it?

[Hiraki]

making the comparison to mafia discussion is not accurate as mafia is not a game that one person or group can have an end-all be-all say on what is true.

Ok. You're in LYLO, make a case on the townie--vote him. Scum votes with you and wins the game. You've messed up and were wrong. Basically--according to your logic--all of his effort was worth nothing because he was wrong.

If you live thinking that way, then most of your failures look pretty fucking pessimistic because you failed giving it your all and not being right.

[Hiraki]

next few hours

xbl marketplace doesn't update until 5 EST

also object rho is reaper tech so that's out the question

you could even go back to ME2 with the reaper iff

you were inside the fucking reaper

[Hiraki]

I dunno if I want to spoil myself this time

I was supposed to wait until 5 but I said fuck it

so I'm going to download it now..

1.9 GB

fak

EDIT:

alright, i kind of knew already(basically from the tweets last week) that there was going to be no indoctrination thing-amabob

but what the fuck

they said they wouldn't fundamentally change it and I go on reddit and it says

Spoiler:

fourth ending introduced

fak u bioware

anyway i'm hoping that ending has something to do with

Spoiler:

shooting the starchild in the face

because that's the only ending I can pick

EDIT2: Right, so I watched all the endings. Didn't really care enough to do no spoilers

I'm still disappointed, but I find it well that Bioware fixed some of their canon-breakings(for instance)

Spoiler:

the entire mass relays thing

I dunno, I have to do the entire thing to see it.

Spoiler:

Was actually very disappointed to see the lay out of Refusal though. It kind of was like shooting Starchild in the face, but not really. Also the fact that the forces of everyone still lost to the Reapers--there's canonbreaking there. Just read some of the lore to figure that shit out. It's mainly with the point of the canons being used by the hoomans and everyone else can penetrate the Reapers, or anything to that point, and also that Volus ship that's was almost relatable to the Cube from Star Trek(I'm not good with Star Trek, so don't ask me names)

here's a little quote about it

"The Kwunu is the only volus ship of its class, but it is remarkably well-armed. Its broadside cannons and main gun are all Thanix Magnetic-Hydrodynamic Weapons. A turian general touring the Kwunu after its maiden system-voyage enthusiastically declared that the ship could "char a planet three times over". While its construction was funded entirely by the Elkoss Combine corporation, the dreadnought was jointly gifted to the Vol Protectorate and Turian Hierarchy upon completion."

yeah, still disappointed bioware. there's no fucking way that ship could be taken down against reapers

[Hiraki]

Spoiler:

"not to make the same mistakes we did."

this is actually my BIGGEST concern about this ending, compared to the last one.

Spoiler:

this is telling me, you can take your own take on it, that you played three games and your final choice was a mistake--even though EMS was something important? refusal really doesn't make any fucking sense to me. if it was "if you have Maximum(or near maximum EMS) you will defeat the Reapers" and "if you have anything below this, you will lose" then I'd be completely satisfied and pick Refusal on every god damn playthrough. Auto-loss though is such a fucking pity.

refusal almost seems like the alternate catwoman ending from Arkham City. sure you could leave Arkham City with the money, let Batman die and the credits would roll. But EVERYONE knew that doing that was trolling to the point where the credits then rewind and you're back as Catwoman faced with the same choice. no one picks the same choice twice there.

[Hiraki]

I saw that

that's why I was annoyed

BUT ANYWAY

I TAKE IT BACK

BIOWARE HAS DELIVERED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO4eh6HVomM

FUCK ALL THE ENDINGS

THIS IS MY ENDING

[Hiraki]

the problem with ME1's inventory was that you could only delete/sell items at one time

you press the item, they confirm you wanna do it, wait a few seconds

this process is boring and lengthy

so make it easier by making shepard able to like 20 at a time

[Hiraki]

I don't really like that either though

just do multiselection

that would've made it a LOT better

[Hiraki]

i kind of side with the horrible customer support

ea isn't the most hated company in america

that was an internet vote

and the internet has no finite voice, except in 4chan and reddit

so, as much as that tournament was supposed to be fair, it was biased

[Hiraki]

"OMG I"LL NEVER BUY ANOTHER BIOWARE GAME BECUASE FFFFFF"

but they like made no sense

the original ending was completely broken

you can't trust a company who fucks up their "prized" possession's last moments

i'd be like Toy Story 3 ending with the fire

that would be a shitty ending

good moment, but shitty ending

[Hiraki]

people fuck up in the creative process

ok but here's your problem

the ending showed that bioware was unable to think logically

the unanswered questions were in the multitudes, not just one-four

or something like that

[Hiraki]

I would say it's much more likely they were trying to be cryptic with the ending and leave it open to interpretation, as authors of long series are wont to do at times (Sopranos for example).

What part of each of these is logical?

A) Anderson gets on the same beam that Shepard gets on, gets transported to a different place on the Citadel, has the same walkthrough as Shepard to the TIM "Battle" Room but the Room only shows one way in and out

B) Shepard lives after Crucible explodes/falling to Earth

Basically, this is why the Indoctrination Theory was made--because the ending made no goddamn sense.

did anyone question if Inception's ending made any sense?

no, they questioned if Leo's character was in a dream or not--not if the top actually showed if dreams were going on

[Hiraki]

so what you're saying is that any kind of continuity error in anything makes you want to ban every using a product from that company again. I hope you never watch movies in your life. That'd be bad.

Considering that the quality of the products that Bioware has decreased majorly (Compare KOTOR with KOTOR[online]), I'm very fine with blaming it on an error as large as the ending. I don't want to be disappointed again.

And yes, you're right. I hate most movies. I usually stick to titles that I might like(no thanks mushy romantic "comedys") and a cast/directors that I can trust.

[Hiraki]

nitpicking flaws

it's not nitpicking when it's the end

the end and the beginning are the two most important parts of a story. it's the impression the story first gives you and the one it leaves you with

I'll agree that the Anderson point is a bit nitpicky, but just about everything else that the indoctrination theory talks about isn't

that includes: TIM's new powers, Starchild's random appearance, the option to control after TIM just wanted to do that, synthesis after that was Saren's original indoctrinated goal in ME1, and how everything could be good in the end if all the Mass Relays were destroyed

[Hiraki]

I believe KOTOR1's ending(mostly the final fight) could've been done a bit better(more towards the point where it impacted what actually happened in the epilogue part) but the entirety of the game was brilliant, especially for something that came out on the Xbox. I'm pretty sure PC KOTOR was only above average, since they already had Bioware titles like Baldur's Gate and Bethesda.

[Hiraki]

Right, so I finally played EC.

Yknow. I'm pretty surprised. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Again, minor flaws with the ideas--this is where the really fucked up part comes.

In the end, I chose...

Spoiler:

Synthesis

Well, Hiraki. That seems pretty fucking stupid since you've just about been flooding this entire thread with "lol Saren said Synthesis was good"

Well, I was sitting there on my gaming chair and I was listening to Star Child and I wondered something for a long time.

Are Control and Synthesis really that bad? EC is kind of the proof that these things aren't horrible.

As Starkid(who I think can be trusted now since his OS is basically to tell the truth) states, synthesis is inevitable.

when that happens everything is peaceful

so

pick that you fucking idiots

[Hiraki]

no because it's not subjective morality there

destroy is the worst option because it kills the reapers but leaves an uncertainty for new reapers(think skynet)

control is decent but synthesis does what control does and furthers it.

this is all objective facts to objective conclusions. synthesis is the best choice. the worst part about it is that shepard just killed saren without listening to him. I mean, Saren needed to die since he was indoctrinated by Sov but his logic was correct. that's the thing I think Bioware duped all of us on Indoctrination

you don't have to be lying to be indoctrinated

[Hiraki]

It's basically...

Spoiler:

a subplot that there were Protheans in sleeping on Eden Prime and Shepard goes over to awaken one or help some resistance

basically, in the end, you get a prothean male that you can sex up as male or female shep, if i remember correctly

[Hiraki]

Destroy fixes the whole synthetic/organic problem.

Starchild destroys this point easily(pun intended)

because after you destroy one synthetic, then humans/organics will make another synthetic that will go out of control by their actions or by the synthetic's mechanics

the geth are proof of this, even if they attacked in self-defense

When Shepard sees flashbacks of important characters during the final decision, the flashbacks are now variable based on your playthrough – so your love interest can appear as one of the flashbacks, providing another moment of reflection between Shepard and that character.

I got a Flashback of Thane.

NOT FUCKING KAIDEN WHO WAS MY BRO(AND YES IT DID GET WEIRD IN OUR LITTLE "CHAT", BUT THAT'S OKAY) BUT THANE

THE PERSON THAT I IGNORED IN ME2 BECAUSE I KNEW HE WAS TROUBLE

I WANTED HIM TO DIE. WHY DID I DO HIS LOYALTY MISSION? I COULD'VE FAILED THAT SHIT TOO.

FFS. WHY?

[Hiraki]

Who's B?

[Hiraki]

Amazon is having one on the Digital Deluxe Editions of ME1-3 for 60 dollars.

I believe that's what I saw.

[Hiraki]

THE FUCK

DOWNLOADS ONLY AVAILABLE TO US CUSTOMERS

ARE YOU SHITTING ME

DO THESE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THE INTERNET IS

The solution that many people do is that they just make a US Account with a random address

[Hiraki]

are you guys idiots?

don't feed the troll

[Hiraki]

You can choose a difficulty in Options IIRC.

Those are just basically the option selections and stuff.

So, in the end, you can still have a Story-centric game and play on Insanity or Hardcore.

[Hiraki]

Because people are stupid

[Hiraki]

I don't mind the sex appeal of the Asari

that was kind of the original intent from ME1(I remember an interview that explicitly said something to the point that "we wanted a hot alien species")

[Hiraki]

And fuck, even though I am confident free will does not exist, I'm not sure I could make a decision that would destroy it, no matter the benefits. That's why I don't think I'll be choosing synthesis. I might change my mind, but holy shit it is NOT the perfect ending people make it out to be.

Free will wouldn't be needed in a world with all synthetic life forms.

[Hiraki]

if any of you fuckers buy the new dlc

you've lost it

this is easy cash cow stuff

[Hiraki]

no gameplay shown

bad plot

seriously

this is going to be bad

and i'm not saying that as a fan who dislikes post-ea bioware

i'm saying that more as someone who's looked at all of the facts

[Hiraki]

I thought the concept seemed neat.

the concept actually ruins the endings yet again

because it shows that even with synthesis, problems could still arise(like war, the main problem that apparently everyone wants to stop in the endings--seriously why)

and um

synthesis was supposed to be the end result of evolution(according to Mass Effect[more precisely the Star Child]) and now we find out that perfection doesn't come with it

well fuck you too bioware

edit: oh right

guess I should go a little deeper into why this DLC will suck

k so let's take a time warp back to Shadow Broker DLC

a few weeks back we knew just about everything that was going to happen

we have some funtime with Liara trying to find Shadow Broker

find him

and possibly kill him

best DLC on ME2

Arrival:

mysterious atmosphere where a major game-turning thing happens

devs even say that you should buy it if you're a hardcore fan because it changes the fate of ME3

in this situation, we don't know what we're doing but it was a good story with more harbinger action

it was pretty decent with some biofags whining about putting story elements into dlc

well fuck

you don't even have to buy the dlc to find out what happens

you could look it up online or ask someone if they've finished it

and if you're whining about it, you probably know what happens so stfu idiots

okay so back to today:

here's what we know

1)It will release before summer ends for 10 dollars
2) it has a rogue reaper named "Leviathan" that is enslaving a mining colony(HAVEN'T HEARD THAT SHIT BEFORE)
3) has something to do with an unknown character being mad about her husband or someone(who I'm pretty sure no one will give two shits about) being taken by Leviathan or being under his control or something
4)we will learn more about the Reapers' origin(well thanks. that's not really important anywyay[i actually wouldn't be surprised if shepard found out more about starchild which then made the endings more complicated and broken[which as I explained above already broke again])

so basically it has just about a bit more than arrival and much less than Shadow Broker

oh and it reuses a story from ME1

yeah

this is going to be bad

[Hiraki]

Is it an actual Reaper doing the indoctrination at the mining colony in ME1? I only played that once, and long long ago on my little brother's XBox360.

I think (hope?) that Bioware will be sensitive to the ending situation.

no it wasn't a reaper

but it was an ancient plant being that had indoctrination-like properties that enslaved a colony(not specifically mining) in ME1

pretty fucking close

[Hiraki]

I liked Arrival until after Object Rho

the little 5 wave thing then HARBINGER KELLLS UUUUU was fun

but then the little battle section after that was annoying as fuck

[Hiraki]

you mean pie

as in inflatablepie?

[Hiraki]

you should've went with greyice

[Hiraki]

KNEW SAVING THE BASE WAS THE RIGHT CHOICE

wait for it

[Hiraki]

midichlorians

[Hiraki]

I hope that's not supposed to be some sort of justification.

[Hiraki]

no but leviathan was (I actually don't know this but they probably updated it in) in the codex

so we knew all along that he existed

damn bioware

so smart!

Also, I'm not sure if anyone noted this, but Ray Mazurka and his buddy that led Bioware(that could be a completely wrong name but I'm not looking it up and that's the one that's popping in my head) left Bioware because they didn't want to hear anymore fan complaints

now wait a fucking second

if you leave a company

is the damage already done? aren't the complaints still going to be geared toward the first two people?

like come on. I think EA removed them quietly. Just me?

[Hiraki]

I don't really play this game anymore.

literally only thinking about playing due to the final DLC maybe having some interest toward being a nice "goodbye" DLC but that's still in the air

[Hiraki]

...not being Call of Duty?

[Hiraki]

Is there any significant change in ME2 if you go Renegade after the Cerberus Project? I don't mean anything that adds a new arc to the game but moreso something that reflects that Shepard was good in ME1 but he's now bad in ME2 and the Cerberus Project might've had something to do with that.