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what the fuck
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plot twist: Chevre was also jokingretired
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but you sorta just didretired
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R>E>Q>W with exceptions.
vs. enemy laners with lots of kill potential / are just better than you and you want to play it safe, taking 2-3 points in W before maxing E isn't a bad choice, especially early on. 3 points in W by level 6 combined with either barrier or heal is going to make it REAL hard for something like Fizz/Zed/Talon to run up and kill you.
My build is fixed at Doran's Ring + 1 pot >> Another ring + Chalice >> Boots + Grail >> Mejais + Deathcap >> Void Staff >> Zhonyas.
Could be more fluid based on whether or not you really need that zhonyas but eh once you have AP the shield covers everything / you shouldn't be positioned horribly enough to die anyways.
+ I personally think mejais is core on Lux. But if you're dying 5+ times in games as Lux (even when you're winning) then don't get it.retired
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Passive: You mark anyone hit by your skills (QER). You can 'ignite' or 'pop' the passive with autoattacks or your ult. It's a significant amount of damage, helps tons when waveclearing. Get used to calculating how much damage your passive will do.
Note: Passive is not an excuse to get Lich Bane. You should never get Lich Bane. You shouldn't be in range to use Lich Bane effectively at all.
Q is a linear skillshot bind, similar to Morgana's, though Lux Q hurts a teeny bit less and snares for less, but has a shorter cooldown, I think. Not sure, don't quote me on that.
It snares TWO enemies, the first two it hits. The second one is bound for only half the duration BUT the second enemy also has the passive debuff applied to them so it's not that bad when used to waveclear / snare someone through minions (which isn't recommended, but if you have the mana lying around to do it, do it).
W is a linear skillshot shield that boomerangs. It shields you and everyone hit by it TWICE, when it goes and when it comes back. You can spam this on cooldown late game and stack assists like crazy. And it helps you win trades in lane. Also counters ignite when used correctly.
E is a ground targetted AoE spell that slows and reveals the area, then does damage when you pop it. This is your main damage skill, but don't be afraid to use it to waveclear or check bushes. It's on a short enough cooldown.
R is a LAZER. It's a badass fucking lazer. Amazing shit.
It does quite a bit of damage and ignites your passive and reapplies it if the target already has passive on them so it's a huge burst damage spell.
Short cooldown too.
Also holds the record of the most skill name changes, I think. Don't quote me on that either.retired
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Skill usage:
Lux skills take a huge chunk out of your mana bar. Thankfully, she has good growth in the mana department and you're going to get Athenes.
E alone is really safe poke, and easy to hit. Just send it where you think your enemy is going to go and you'll hit it 85% of the time.
Putting the debuff on someone also makes them wary of your autoattack. Good use of E makes for good zoning.
The slow also isn't that bad. Use it to hinder enemy movement. People will likely step around it even when chasing after a 50hp Teemo. Really.
(not that you should save the Teemo)
Early farming: E once and use passive and autos effectively to get cs. Your autoattack actually has a decent animation (one of the best, imo, on par with Ahri/Orianna in terms of ranged mages).
Farming anytime else: When the enemy minions come, set E where they would be going, and bind the first two melee minions with Q. Pop E when you can hit all six minions with it. Then cs the melee minions if they're getting low, else just wait for E cooldown and use it again to clear the wave.
Farming with R: Aim and click. Voila.
Ult usage: If you're using it as a burst damage tool on a person you can reach, go for Q-E-R-E casted in quick succession.
If you can't do that, just remember that you should always hit R on someone bound by Q, or held by some other sort of CC or hefty slows to guarantee that you hit the most people for the most damage.
When used as a ranged execute, aim and click. Press shift+4 the next time you get into enemy vision.retired
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Spells:
Flash is a must
You have a choice between Ignite, Heal, Barrier, Exhaust, and Teleport.
My feelings about them:
Ignite: I don't like it.
While QERE on someone with full hp leaves them at like 20% hp (ignite+auto kill range, maybe?), all of Lux's spells outrage Ignite, and she can easily whittle down enemy health bars with Q and E prior to QERE--she doesn't have to all-in and assassinate someone.
Heal: It's nice. The HP + the movespeed bonus and the ability to cast it on a teammate in need as well helps. Though it gets eaten by Ignite, which is common in the midlane.
Barrier: Also nice. The benefit of barrier is that it can prevent ignite ticks or eat an obvious incoming big damage spell like Death Mark or Chum the Waters, but barrier doesn't help your team nor does it give you that movespeed bonus.
Exhaust: The ultimate counter for things like Zed, Talon, Riven, Yi, Tryndamere, Fiora, and Rengar.
(When used correctly.)
Not a bad choice at all, I need to take it more often.
Teleport: Roaming potential. When you feel like you don't need the heal/barrier/exhaust because you're just that badass.
Also Teleport > Clarity in terms of mana regen. Teleporting back to lane (even if it's mid lane) isn't a bad choice, too.retired
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The thing about Lux tho is that all of your abilities are miss-able.
You're gonna want a bit of practice in hitting those abilities to avoid being completely uselessretired
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also QERE or just simply ERE will pop E before R damage hits if you hit E fast enough when R is casted
stuns/silences will stop you from popping E, though, so don't try to QERE something like Elise or Soraka
and Marisa woohoo.retired
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I'm planning on being on tonight as well
if it's going to happen hit me upretired
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In post 36901, Cabd wrote:My apologies dan, I'm not used to fiddle so the blue hand off botching was 100% me not knowing my mechanics right.
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In post 36909, Cabd wrote:Can we get a 10 going?
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your name here?
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Scratch that I can't play 'till 11:30 where I am which should be like 45min from nowretired
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In post 36938, JasonWazza wrote:Question, for the general AP mid laners, is it ok to be going mobi boots over pen boots when your focus in roaming?
(Probably mostly pointing this to Ahri and Orianna.)
Ahri and Ori, never.
Ok on Annie and mayyybe Veigar.
That's it.retired
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Mobis make you do less damage.
You're getting mobis because you want to roam and get fed.
Annie and Veigar can pull off very strong ganks.
(point and click stun)
And often, too.
Getting mobis on a mid means that you'll be ganking pretty much all the time andnot farming(which is why I said maybe veigar)
you need to rely on successful ganks for gold advantage over the enemy team
and simply put, all other midlaners' ganks aren't as strong as annie's for veigars
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basically
anything that wants farm = anything that wants chalice = NEVER GET MOBIS
exceptions, maybe
never get mobis on tf because then it's too much of a damage lossretired
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but really
you should never be getting mobis as an ap mid
just never
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In post 36945, JasonWazza wrote:However, how does needing farm mean you can't gank?
be in lane to farm
be in another lane to gank
pick one or the other
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tbh if you want to do it, I won't stop you
15 pen is a huge chunk of damage lost but if you've already had success with mobis then i doubt that damage matters whereever the fuck you're playing themretired
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In post 36947, JasonWazza wrote:In post 36945, JasonWazza wrote:And as another point, i feel like on the high wave clear mid laners (ori/Ahri in this example) that it's better to clear 2 waves as the reach tower, force the lane out with another wave, then roam off to a lane, whether it's for damage or a kill.
your games are never going to be this linear
your opponent is going to be pushing back
if you push hard you're going to get ganked
your mana bar isn't going to last for a gank if you're pushing hard
ori/ahri ganks are horrible when their ults are down
there might not be kill timing in either of the two lanes
you might be able to kill your lane opponent
the enemy mid/jungle is going to notice this pattern and ward your exit points from mid
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and really, if you want to brag about how innovative you are in building mobis on ahri/orianna don't do it in the form of a questionretired
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In post 36950, JasonWazza wrote:if it's that big of a chunk of damage
Every point of magic resistance requires a unit to take 1% more of its maximum health in magic damage to be killed.
The difference is between having to do 1175ish to kill someone w/o sorcs vs 1000 damage to kill someone with sorcs
175 damage is probably an extra spell or 5ish autoattacks so yeah that's a lot for an ap mage who's going to have to burst peopleLast edited by Saki on Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:05 am, edited 4 times in total.retired
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In post 36955, animorpherv1 wrote:Also, question about Fiora as Fizz - you can e to stop her ulting you if she is mid-ult, yes?
Yeah but it won't stop her from killing youretired
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In post 37024, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Guys I just got matched up in a ranked game vs badscience and he didn't even tell me till I noticed at endgame.
R00d >___>
notice me notscience senpai
apparentlyyouwere the one that didn't noticehim, though
so "notice me SAD senpai" (?)
doesn't have quite the same ring to itretired
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In post 37050, Voidedmafia wrote:Also, while I'm on the topic of top lane, are any of Triforce, Iceborn, Bork, Hydraa, Randuins, Warmog's, Black Cleaver, IE, LW, PD, and Bloodthirster good items on Fiora? (I'm excluding GA because I think that's kind of an obvious buy, and I kinda think Banshee's falls under the same thing) She may not be pro-tier but I do like the champion and would like to keep her in my pool.
Randuins is horrible
Triforce is horrible
Warmogs is horrible
Black Cleaver is horrible
PD is horrible
BT is horrible
Ionians/Youmuus/Hydra/LW/IE/ GA or SotO or Statikk or BotRKretired
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In post 37050, Voidedmafia wrote:Hey, if I planned on using Diana in the top lane (or mid lane, but I don't think she fits there anymore; correct me if I'm wrong), what tips do you have (masteries, runes, item builds, suggested skill path, match-ups, etc.)?
W>Q>E>W>Q>R 1-6
R>Q>W>E
Push super super hard with W+passive and sometimes Q
try to trade hits only when you have w+passive up
Diana build is very situational
you can either build bursty (DFG/Rabadons/Lich Bane/Void Staff)
or with a bit of sustained DPS with passive (Nashors / Lich Bane)
or w.e the fuck you want, really
I've built liandries>rylais>randuins and won
burst combo is QRR
you can do two hits on minions to charge passive then QR auto to harass/engage a la jax
your sustained DPS is actually somewhat high so don't let stuff like renekton get away with just EQWE, follow the shit and auto him and prolong the traderetired
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In post 37054, FakeGod wrote:fiora top gets utterly destroyed by many many things in my experience
idk man
taking Q level 1 guarantees you fb against many many thingsretired
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In post 37057, Voidedmafia wrote:Should Fiora always level her Q lvl 1 unless you're doing an invade (at which point I think her E would be better?)?
Always Q level 1 unless you're against a Gangplank in which case you get W
For invades you want the double gap closer in Q more than the higher AS E will get you
skill order is R>Q>E>W btw
In post 37057, Voidedmafia wrote:why are these horrible, out of curiosity? (also, I feel like I should know, but what's SotO? Sword of the Occult?)
SotO = occult
Get it if you feel like you can murder your lane opponent AND their jungler when he comes to gank
Randuins/Warmogs shouldn't ever be bought over GA/Banshees or even Scimitar/Maw b/c you're only ever going to get 1 defensive item and GA/Banshees/Scimtar/Maw have a bigger impact than a standalone Randuins/Warmogs
Triforce/Iceborn gauntlet gives you MS on autoattacks/unit kills and the sheen passive but it's not the kind of damage fiora wants
When you do E>Q>(AA)>Q>(AA)>Ult you're getting 2-3 sheen actives max which isn't worth the 50 AD loss vs IE
Triforce and IE cost about the same but Triforce is 30AD and IE is 80AD and since Fiora scales so hard off AD, Triforce is lackluster
PD -> as Fiora your hydra-Q-Q-R is basically guaranteed damage given that you know how to point and click
your abilities are your primary source of damage
NOT your autoattacks
Fiora is more of an assassin
She's closer to Zed than Yi
The E boost to AA speed does help out your AA damage but Fiora isn't Master Yi
Yi can flip out and do crazy shit and burst down things with 1100+ damage crits
it takes a while for him to ramp up like that, though
Fiora, like Zed, builds AD damage and uses crazy scaling on abilities to nuke people midgame
Youmuus or Black Cleaver tbh is personal preference
50AD + HP + Passive on Black Cleaver isn't bad, but I think that the brut>BC 1663 gold jump is just too much
Good upgrade lategame if you're absolutely stomping teamfights but otherwise you could invest that 1663 gold in many other places early game
Youmuus can come into effect really early in the game which really helps you get those killsretired
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In post 37059, FakeGod wrote:my malphite is complete and utter shit and I have not met a fiora player who could beat me top lane
fiora also loses to jax, which is very troubling
In post 37060, Voidedmafia wrote:Shouldn't you be able to do a quick Q in and out with auto(s) and knock the shield down (or quick E-W-Q in-autos-Q out post-3)
I'm not surprised she loses to Jax, though. He's far more maneuverable than she is.
tbh the only real thing about playing Fiora is learning NOT TO TAKE FREE HARASS
Don't let Jax WQ-Auto you then run away without hitting him back and using Riposte to mitigate some of that damage, care for the E though
If he comes in with E WQ-AA E then he's fucking dead
As Malphite tries to Q you to oblivion be Q-ing him back
Don't get hit by his E while you're farming
If Malphite Qs you till he's oom just kill him or force his flash 'cause he can't do shit with 0 mana and he runs out of mana faster than you doretired
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In post 37058, FakeGod wrote:In post 37056, Saki wrote:In post 37054, FakeGod wrote:fiora top gets utterly destroyed by many many things in my experience
idk man
taking Q level 1 guarantees you fb against many many things
can you do it vs malphite?
prob notretired
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oh yeah and regarding Diana
NEVER EVER GET MANA ITEMS
NO TEAR NO CHALICE NO WHATEVER THE FUCK ELSE
2x Dorans + Flask if you really really need it is all you'll ever need
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In post 37070, Voidedmafia wrote:Alright, ideal build is ionians (for CDR), Hydraa, Banshee's/GA, Youmuu's, IE, and LW. I presume the build path would be Hydraa>Boots>IE>LW/Youmuu's>Youmuu'sLW>Banshee's/GA, right?
path is brut>(hydra/lw)>youmuus>IE/GA
IE should be a later purchase
actually come to think about it bt isn't that bad if you swap it in for IE
the IE/BT item is a slot used for the 80AD so if you want crit that's fine if you want lifesteal that's also fine
just don't get Essence Reaver
you want brut+lw early b/c ArPen rush is ridiculously op
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Victorious Elise / Woad Scout Quinn / Renegade/Dragonblade Talon are ok
Ireallydon't want them to do to Talon what they did to Yasuo
Skarner/Twitch/Zac/Gnar skins suck ass, yes
but hey Gnar's second to last released champ
(and I feel like ANY skin they come up with for those three is going to suck)
& Volibear looks badass w/o a skinretired
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In post 37083, Klazam wrote:Yorick!
who plays yorickretired
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who wants skins on yorickretired
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ah mb
I don't want a "Mecha" talon skin
the Yasuo skin sucks buttretired
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but it's not like any of the champions reck mentioned have vladimir syndrome
their default skins are ok if not better than mostretired
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Contrary to popular belief applying the "Mecha" theme to a champion doesn't automatically make it a good skin
In post 37092, Klazam wrote:
Me, you horrible person.
This for example would be awesome:
Spoiler:
I...approve.retired
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and the ghouls(cats?) should actually screechretired
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gingerbread man is betterretired
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pray tell your other reasons, thenretired
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+ Season specific skin and 4-win IP boostretired
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though iirc they didn't do a season 3 skin a la Judgement Kayleretired
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In post 37150, chamber wrote:Everyone got judgement kayle that was placed during season 1, not quite the same as the victorious skins.
2*
but yeah i wasn't talking about the victorious skinsretired
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I was level 25 when season 1 ended and I have itretired
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In post 37206, Maestro wrote:Tips on playing Treeline? I literally lose every SINGLE game of Hexakill I play and I'm pretty sure it's not just because "lolnoobSilverwhateverfuckololz". I think Treeline plays differently and I don't know how to actually win.
Play Katarinaretired
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In post 37207, Saki wrote:In post 37206, Maestro wrote:Tips on playing Treeline? I literally lose every SINGLE game of Hexakill I play and I'm pretty sure it's not just because "lolnoobSilverwhateverfuckololz". I think Treeline plays differently and I don't know how to actually win.
Play Katarina
rule of thumb in TT is to play a champion that is fuckall strong at teamfighting starting level 2-3retired
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In post 37208, Saki wrote:In post 37207, Saki wrote:In post 37206, Maestro wrote:Tips on playing Treeline? I literally lose every SINGLE game of Hexakill I play and I'm pretty sure it's not just because "lolnoobSilverwhateverfuckololz". I think Treeline plays differently and I don't know how to actually win.
Play Katarina
rule of thumb in TT is to play a champion that is fuckall strong at teamfighting starting level 2-3
supports are also good
at least the ones that don't scale with levelsretired
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tl;dr
what not to play: nasus
what to play: garenretired
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special mention to Sona / Katarina / Rivenretired
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maestro just go play yiretired
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In post 37211, ActionDan wrote:I play kat and lose. I play leblanc and rekt shit.
just not fast enough on the resets :>retired
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In post 37216, Maestro wrote:I do play Yi. That I can do. But CC, man.
its TT
not enough CC most of the time
if someone blows a stun on you that's one less stun on Katarina/Fiddlesticks so it's kretired
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In post 37214, Saki wrote:special mention to Sona / Katarina / Riven
and Veigarretired
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you also kinda want 1 adc and a nidalee on your team but not more than oneretired
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In post 37321, SXTLHGaiden wrote:best route:
get red, gank mid, get blue, gank mid, do stuff, gank mid.
Gank mid first then get red
teemo jungle opretired
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i used to jungle tryn with green elixir and 6 pots
man that was the best thingretired
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I'm not judging.retired
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