League of Legends (Old)

[Saki]

what the fuck

if you're not taking exhaust as a support you're fucking stupid

[Saki]

plot twist: Chevre was also joking

[Saki]

goddammit Chevre why wouldn't you play along

[Saki]

but you sorta just did

[Saki]

*blush*

[Saki]

R>E>Q>W with exceptions.

vs. enemy laners with lots of kill potential / are just better than you and you want to play it safe, taking 2-3 points in W before maxing E isn't a bad choice, especially early on. 3 points in W by level 6 combined with either barrier or heal is going to make it REAL hard for something like Fizz/Zed/Talon to run up and kill you.

My build is fixed at Doran's Ring + 1 pot >> Another ring + Chalice >> Boots + Grail >> Mejais + Deathcap >> Void Staff >> Zhonyas.
Could be more fluid based on whether or not you really need that zhonyas but eh once you have AP the shield covers everything / you shouldn't be positioned horribly enough to die anyways.
+ I personally think mejais is core on Lux. But if you're dying 5+ times in games as Lux (even when you're winning) then don't get it.

[Saki]

Passive: You mark anyone hit by your skills (QER). You can 'ignite' or 'pop' the passive with autoattacks or your ult. It's a significant amount of damage, helps tons when waveclearing. Get used to calculating how much damage your passive will do.
Note: Passive is not an excuse to get Lich Bane. You should never get Lich Bane. You shouldn't be in range to use Lich Bane effectively at all.

Q is a linear skillshot bind, similar to Morgana's, though Lux Q hurts a teeny bit less and snares for less, but has a shorter cooldown, I think. Not sure, don't quote me on that.
It snares TWO enemies, the first two it hits. The second one is bound for only half the duration BUT the second enemy also has the passive debuff applied to them so it's not that bad when used to waveclear / snare someone through minions (which isn't recommended, but if you have the mana lying around to do it, do it).

W is a linear skillshot shield that boomerangs. It shields you and everyone hit by it TWICE, when it goes and when it comes back. You can spam this on cooldown late game and stack assists like crazy. And it helps you win trades in lane. Also counters ignite when used correctly.

E is a ground targetted AoE spell that slows and reveals the area, then does damage when you pop it. This is your main damage skill, but don't be afraid to use it to waveclear or check bushes. It's on a short enough cooldown.

R is a LAZER. It's a badass fucking lazer. Amazing shit.
It does quite a bit of damage and ignites your passive and reapplies it if the target already has passive on them so it's a huge burst damage spell.
Short cooldown too.
Also holds the record of the most skill name changes, I think. Don't quote me on that either.

[Saki]

Skill usage:
Lux skills take a huge chunk out of your mana bar. Thankfully, she has good growth in the mana department and you're going to get Athenes.

E alone is really safe poke, and easy to hit. Just send it where you think your enemy is going to go and you'll hit it 85% of the time.
Putting the debuff on someone also makes them wary of your autoattack. Good use of E makes for good zoning.
The slow also isn't that bad. Use it to hinder enemy movement. People will likely step around it even when chasing after a 50hp Teemo. Really.

(not that you should save the Teemo)

Early farming: E once and use passive and autos effectively to get cs. Your autoattack actually has a decent animation (one of the best, imo, on par with Ahri/Orianna in terms of ranged mages).
Farming anytime else: When the enemy minions come, set E where they would be going, and bind the first two melee minions with Q. Pop E when you can hit all six minions with it. Then cs the melee minions if they're getting low, else just wait for E cooldown and use it again to clear the wave.
Farming with R: Aim and click. Voila.

Ult usage: If you're using it as a burst damage tool on a person you can reach, go for Q-E-R-E casted in quick succession.
If you can't do that, just remember that you should always hit R on someone bound by Q, or held by some other sort of CC or hefty slows to guarantee that you hit the most people for the most damage.

When used as a ranged execute, aim and click. Press shift+4 the next time you get into enemy vision.

[Saki]

Spells:
Flash is a must

You have a choice between Ignite, Heal, Barrier, Exhaust, and Teleport.

My feelings about them:

Ignite: I don't like it.
While QERE on someone with full hp leaves them at like 20% hp (ignite+auto kill range, maybe?), all of Lux's spells outrage Ignite, and she can easily whittle down enemy health bars with Q and E prior to QERE--she doesn't have to all-in and assassinate someone.

Heal: It's nice. The HP + the movespeed bonus and the ability to cast it on a teammate in need as well helps. Though it gets eaten by Ignite, which is common in the midlane.
Barrier: Also nice. The benefit of barrier is that it can prevent ignite ticks or eat an obvious incoming big damage spell like Death Mark or Chum the Waters, but barrier doesn't help your team nor does it give you that movespeed bonus.

Exhaust: The ultimate counter for things like Zed, Talon, Riven, Yi, Tryndamere, Fiora, and Rengar.
(When used correctly.)
Not a bad choice at all, I need to take it more often.

Teleport: Roaming potential. When you feel like you don't need the heal/barrier/exhaust because you're just that badass.
Also Teleport > Clarity in terms of mana regen. Teleporting back to lane (even if it's mid lane) isn't a bad choice, too.

[Saki]

The thing about Lux tho is that all of your abilities are miss-able.

You're gonna want a bit of practice in hitting those abilities to avoid being completely useless

[Saki]

also QERE or just simply ERE will pop E before R damage hits if you hit E fast enough when R is casted

stuns/silences will stop you from popping E, though, so don't try to QERE something like Elise or Soraka

and Marisa woohoo.

[Saki]

I'm planning on being on tonight as well

if it's going to happen hit me up

[Saki]

My apologies dan, I'm not used to fiddle so the blue hand off botching was 100% me not knowing my mechanics right.

or

wassssss

it

[Saki]

Can we get a 10 going?


fakegod
SAD
Cabd
Dan (?)
Animorph (?)
your name here?

Saaaki.

[Saki]

brb after this HS match is done

[Saki]

Scratch that I can't play 'till 11:30 where I am which should be like 45min from now

[Saki]

Question, for the general AP mid laners, is it ok to be going mobi boots over pen boots when your focus in roaming?

(Probably mostly pointing this to Ahri and Orianna.)

Ahri and Ori, never.

Ok on Annie and mayyybe Veigar.

That's it.

[Saki]

Mobis make you do less damage.

You're getting mobis because you want to roam and get fed.

Annie and Veigar can pull off very strong ganks.
(point and click stun)
And often, too.

Getting mobis on a mid means that you'll be ganking pretty much all the time and

not farming

(which is why I said maybe veigar)
you need to rely on successful ganks for gold advantage over the enemy team

and simply put, all other midlaners' ganks aren't as strong as annie's for veigars
esp not Orianna or Ahri

[Saki]

basically

anything that wants farm = anything that wants chalice = NEVER GET MOBIS
exceptions, maybe

never get mobis on tf because then it's too much of a damage loss

[Saki]

but really

you should never be getting mobis as an ap mid

just never

NEVER

[Saki]

However, how does needing farm mean you can't gank?

be in lane to farm
be in another lane to gank

pick one or the other

you don't farm other lanes nor do you sit in your own lane with mobis for extended periods of time

[Saki]

tbh if you want to do it, I won't stop you

15 pen is a huge chunk of damage lost but if you've already had success with mobis then i doubt that damage matters whereever the fuck you're playing them

[Saki]

And as another point, i feel like on the high wave clear mid laners (ori/Ahri in this example) that it's better to clear 2 waves as the reach tower, force the lane out with another wave, then roam off to a lane, whether it's for damage or a kill.

your games are never going to be this linear

your opponent is going to be pushing back
if you push hard you're going to get ganked
your mana bar isn't going to last for a gank if you're pushing hard
ori/ahri ganks are horrible when their ults are down
there might not be kill timing in either of the two lanes
you might be able to kill your lane opponent
the enemy mid/jungle is going to notice this pattern and ward your exit points from mid

etc etc

[Saki]

and really, if you want to brag about how innovative you are in building mobis on ahri/orianna don't do it in the form of a question

[Saki]

if it's that big of a chunk of damage

Every point of magic resistance requires a unit to take 1% more of its maximum health in magic damage to be killed.

The difference is between having to do 1175ish to kill someone w/o sorcs vs 1000 damage to kill someone with sorcs

175 damage is probably an extra spell or 5ish autoattacks so yeah that's a lot for an ap mage who's going to have to burst people

[Saki]

Also, question about Fiora as Fizz - you can e to stop her ulting you if she is mid-ult, yes?

Yeah but it won't stop her from killing you

[Saki]

Guys I just got matched up in a ranked game vs badscience and he didn't even tell me till I noticed at endgame.

R00d >___>

notice me notscience senpai

apparently

you

were the one that didn't notice

him

, though

so "notice me SAD senpai" (?)
doesn't have quite the same ring to it

[Saki]

Also, while I'm on the topic of top lane, are any of Triforce, Iceborn, Bork, Hydraa, Randuins, Warmog's, Black Cleaver, IE, LW, PD, and Bloodthirster good items on Fiora? (I'm excluding GA because I think that's kind of an obvious buy, and I kinda think Banshee's falls under the same thing) She may not be pro-tier but I do like the champion and would like to keep her in my pool.

Randuins is horrible
Triforce is horrible
Warmogs is horrible
Black Cleaver is horrible
PD is horrible
BT is horrible

Ionians/Youmuus/Hydra/LW/IE/ GA or SotO or Statikk or BotRK

[Saki]

Hey, if I planned on using Diana in the top lane (or mid lane, but I don't think she fits there anymore; correct me if I'm wrong), what tips do you have (masteries, runes, item builds, suggested skill path, match-ups, etc.)?

W>Q>E>W>Q>R 1-6
R>Q>W>E

Push super super hard with W+passive and sometimes Q
try to trade hits only when you have w+passive up

Diana build is very situational
you can either build bursty (DFG/Rabadons/Lich Bane/Void Staff)
or with a bit of sustained DPS with passive (Nashors / Lich Bane)
or w.e the fuck you want, really
I've built liandries>rylais>randuins and won

burst combo is QRR
you can do two hits on minions to charge passive then QR auto to harass/engage a la jax
your sustained DPS is actually somewhat high so don't let stuff like renekton get away with just EQWE, follow the shit and auto him and prolong the trade

[Saki]

fiora top gets utterly destroyed by many many things in my experience

idk man
taking Q level 1 guarantees you fb against many many things

[Saki]

Should Fiora always level her Q lvl 1 unless you're doing an invade (at which point I think her E would be better?)?

Always Q level 1 unless you're against a Gangplank in which case you get W
For invades you want the double gap closer in Q more than the higher AS E will get you

skill order is R>Q>E>W btw

why are these horrible, out of curiosity? (also, I feel like I should know, but what's SotO? Sword of the Occult?)

SotO = occult
Get it if you feel like you can murder your lane opponent AND their jungler when he comes to gank

Randuins/Warmogs shouldn't ever be bought over GA/Banshees or even Scimitar/Maw b/c you're only ever going to get 1 defensive item and GA/Banshees/Scimtar/Maw have a bigger impact than a standalone Randuins/Warmogs

Triforce/Iceborn gauntlet gives you MS on autoattacks/unit kills and the sheen passive but it's not the kind of damage fiora wants
When you do E>Q>(AA)>Q>(AA)>Ult you're getting 2-3 sheen actives max which isn't worth the 50 AD loss vs IE
Triforce and IE cost about the same but Triforce is 30AD and IE is 80AD and since Fiora scales so hard off AD, Triforce is lackluster

PD -> as Fiora your hydra-Q-Q-R is basically guaranteed damage given that you know how to point and click
your abilities are your primary source of damage
NOT your autoattacks
Fiora is more of an assassin
She's closer to Zed than Yi

The E boost to AA speed does help out your AA damage but Fiora isn't Master Yi
Yi can flip out and do crazy shit and burst down things with 1100+ damage crits
it takes a while for him to ramp up like that, though
Fiora, like Zed, builds AD damage and uses crazy scaling on abilities to nuke people midgame

Youmuus or Black Cleaver tbh is personal preference
50AD + HP + Passive on Black Cleaver isn't bad, but I think that the brut>BC 1663 gold jump is just too much
Good upgrade lategame if you're absolutely stomping teamfights but otherwise you could invest that 1663 gold in many other places early game
Youmuus can come into effect really early in the game which really helps you get those kills

[Saki]

my malphite is complete and utter shit and I have not met a fiora player who could beat me top lane

fiora also loses to jax, which is very troubling

Shouldn't you be able to do a quick Q in and out with auto(s) and knock the shield down (or quick E-W-Q in-autos-Q out post-3)

I'm not surprised she loses to Jax, though. He's far more maneuverable than she is.

tbh the only real thing about playing Fiora is learning NOT TO TAKE FREE HARASS

Don't let Jax WQ-Auto you then run away without hitting him back and using Riposte to mitigate some of that damage, care for the E though
If he comes in with E WQ-AA E then he's fucking dead

As Malphite tries to Q you to oblivion be Q-ing him back
Don't get hit by his E while you're farming
If Malphite Qs you till he's oom just kill him or force his flash 'cause he can't do shit with 0 mana and he runs out of mana faster than you do

[Saki]

fiora top gets utterly destroyed by many many things in my experience

idk man
taking Q level 1 guarantees you fb against many many things

can you do it vs malphite?

prob not

[Saki]

oh yeah and regarding Diana
NEVER EVER GET MANA ITEMS
NO TEAR NO CHALICE NO WHATEVER THE FUCK ELSE

2x Dorans + Flask if you really really need it is all you'll ever need
i swear to god if i see another diana building athenes

[Saki]

Alright, ideal build is ionians (for CDR), Hydraa, Banshee's/GA, Youmuu's, IE, and LW. I presume the build path would be Hydraa>Boots>IE>LW/Youmuu's>Youmuu'sLW>Banshee's/GA, right?

path is brut>(hydra/lw)>youmuus>IE/GA

IE should be a later purchase
actually come to think about it bt isn't that bad if you swap it in for IE
the IE/BT item is a slot used for the 80AD so if you want crit that's fine if you want lifesteal that's also fine
just don't get Essence Reaver

you want brut+lw early b/c ArPen rush is ridiculously op
but if you're ahead enough to get brut+tiamat then do it because tiamat is going to stomp lane/let you push their inner in like 15min

[Saki]

Victorious Elise / Woad Scout Quinn / Renegade/Dragonblade Talon are ok
I

really

don't want them to do to Talon what they did to Yasuo

Skarner/Twitch/Zac/Gnar skins suck ass, yes

but hey Gnar's second to last released champ
(and I feel like ANY skin they come up with for those three is going to suck)

& Volibear looks badass w/o a skin

[Saki]

Yorick!

who plays yorick

[Saki]

Yorick!

who plays yorick

who wants skins on yorick

[Saki]

ah mb


I don't want a "Mecha" talon skin
the Yasuo skin sucks butt

[Saki]

but it's not like any of the champions reck mentioned have vladimir syndrome

their default skins are ok if not better than most

[Saki]

Contrary to popular belief applying the "Mecha" theme to a champion doesn't automatically make it a good skin

Yorick!

who plays yorick

who wants skins on yorick

Me, you horrible person.

This for example would be awesome:

Spoiler:

I...approve.

[Saki]

and the ghouls(cats?) should actually screech

[Saki]

gingerbread man is better

[Saki]

pray tell your other reasons, then

[Saki]

+ Season specific skin and 4-win IP boost

[Saki]

though iirc they didn't do a season 3 skin a la Judgement Kayle

[Saki]

Everyone got judgement kayle that was placed during season 1, not quite the same as the victorious skins.

2*
but yeah i wasn't talking about the victorious skins

[Saki]

I was level 25 when season 1 ended and I have it

[Saki]

Tips on playing Treeline? I literally lose every SINGLE game of Hexakill I play and I'm pretty sure it's not just because "lolnoobSilverwhateverfuckololz". I think Treeline plays differently and I don't know how to actually win.

Play Katarina

[Saki]

Tips on playing Treeline? I literally lose every SINGLE game of Hexakill I play and I'm pretty sure it's not just because "lolnoobSilverwhateverfuckololz". I think Treeline plays differently and I don't know how to actually win.

Play Katarina

rule of thumb in TT is to play a champion that is fuckall strong at teamfighting starting level 2-3

[Saki]

Tips on playing Treeline? I literally lose every SINGLE game of Hexakill I play and I'm pretty sure it's not just because "lolnoobSilverwhateverfuckololz". I think Treeline plays differently and I don't know how to actually win.

Play Katarina

rule of thumb in TT is to play a champion that is fuckall strong at teamfighting starting level 2-3

supports are also good
at least the ones that don't scale with levels

[Saki]

tl;dr
what not to play: nasus
what to play: garen

[Saki]

special mention to Sona / Katarina / Riven

[Saki]

maestro just go play yi

[Saki]

I play kat and lose. I play leblanc and rekt shit.

just not fast enough on the resets :>

[Saki]

I do play Yi. That I can do. But CC, man.

its TT
not enough CC most of the time
if someone blows a stun on you that's one less stun on Katarina/Fiddlesticks so it's k

[Saki]

special mention to Sona / Katarina / Riven

and Veigar

[Saki]

you also kinda want 1 adc and a nidalee on your team but not more than one

[Saki]

best route:
get red, gank mid, get blue, gank mid, do stuff, gank mid.

Gank mid first then get red

teemo jungle op

[Saki]

i used to jungle tryn with green elixir and 6 pots
man that was the best thing

[Saki]

I'm not judging.

[Saki]

why does Janna walk around with barely any clothes

did riot give any reasonable reasons

to feel the breeze

[Saki]

A long time ago

he hit master as soon as it was released then dropped down to d1 then back up again iirc

[Saki]

Officially got demoted. I guess I will give up on gold now. I am just not a Gold tier player apparently.

You have to duo queue at this point. The games in ranked are dominated by boosters right now.

That's the misconception.

Most if not all elo boosters duo queue.

Duoing increases the chance of losing b/c the other team is likely to have a booster duo while you aren't

So people are really better off queuing solo

[Saki]

I meant, duo queue with a legit smurf so that your team always has someone with an undervalued MMR.

Rito has said that this is not a violation as recently as this morning.

this'll still earn you losses against elo boosting duos

[Saki]

This is absolutely hilarious:

Spoiler: good behavior awards announced!!

Look the fuck out, it's a 4-win IP boost!
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en ... itive-play

Keep doing the lord's work out there, guys.

i see ankamius post
inb4 ban

[Saki]

123/123 with 3:30 to spare

had to google Sentinel / Burrow/Unburrow but it's all cool

[Saki]

I'm at that point where I play a botgame to get my first win of the day.

I don't even do this anymore
x.x

[Saki]

saki come back and play league w/ me pls

we can play fun botlanes

ask bulge

Maybe
I can play a game or two rn I think but I don't know if anyone 'd be on

It's nice to see Zed has no counterplay aside from two items.

It's impossible to hit him with any cc because shadows and targeted CC doesn't really exist anymore in this game. Like, he's impossible to stop and so fucking broken. WHY. I HATE ZED SO MUCH. HE'S MORE CANCEROUS THAN FIZZ WILL EVER BE.

but those two items tho

Zhonya's is a pretty central part of any AP build and once you get that it pretty much wrecks Zed's ability to kill you in almost any situation (unless you're going 1v1 in which case Zhonyas still wrecks him)

and if you can't get hourglass get QSS, it takes a large chunk out of his burst and wrecks his ability to kill you just as much as hourglass does, even better in some situations
and you're not wasting an item slot b/c QSS is a useful item regardless of whether or not there's a Zed on the enemy team

if you're a top/jungle/support you should be fine with a Zed trying to kill you since he's not killing one of your carries

barring the possibility that you might be squishier than your carries in which case you need to re-think your build

[Saki]

I personally find Zed frustrating to play b/c once 1-2 members on the enemy team gets Zhonyas and the ADC gets GA/QSS you're in for a very rough time

so just get those two items and punch him in the face

[Saki]

My jungler pool is fucking tiny these days.

Who are the go-to magic damage junglers in the S5 jungle? Sejuanni, I guess?

I'm asking for both AP and tanky magic damage.

a month ago Elise still used to be really good
She was my go-to pick for AP jungle in soloq
Dunno bout now

[Saki]

she still has the lowest win rate, so clearly some people are having trouble with her.

She's just hard to play to full potential
juggling seven skills is p hard

and her build path has been fucked up ever since jungle items came out

jungle item + sorcs + haunting guise is strong but too pricey to have defensive stats up in time
and you need defense starting level 11? I think? since you're pretty much boned in defensive stats by then

[Saki]

and the defining thing probably is that it's hard to gank with her

[Saki]

Explorer Ezreal / Blast Zone Heimer

[Saki]

I have had a lot of fun playing nothing but AP Ezreal recently.

[Saki]

Can anyone that has tried the triple brutalizer build lately tell me how it's like?

[Saki]

Uhhh

Kayle strongest Zed counter

well, she sucks as a caster now so that's probably a problem

[Saki]

tbh I've never really had a problem vs Zed even as something like Lux b/c there's only so much he can do

like

as long as you aren't completely stupid and constantly let him w-e-q over and over again there's pretty much no reason for you to lose health vs Zed as a ranged champ

[Saki]

His earlygame is complete bullshit, his midgame is bullshit, his towerkilling is bullshit, his assassinating is bullshit, his waveclear is bullshit, etc. And to top it off it's impossible to cc him because shadows need to be on a 1 minute cooldown at least with the bonus AD it has.

he has nothing but Q at level 1
he has nothing but W and Q at level 2
he has too little damage with rank 1 E at level 3
He has to wait until level 4 to reliably try to kill anyone

His earlygame is only less horrible than say, Talon's in mid



Living Shadow has a 18s CD at rank 1, which will stay that way until level 13 or so. Gonna be around +-14s with CDR?
It lasts 4s. You have a minimum of 10 seconds of no W when you see that shadow disappear.
That's 4 seconds out of 14 that he can effectively pose a threat to someone standing out of melee range.


>_>

[Saki]

i havent been following lcs too closely but i do know that us supports get blue trinket sometimes
reminds us of the days of good ol' cv

[Saki]

congrats.

[Saki]

rito may have taken dfg away but they didn't stop ahri from being op

my 1 champ challenge on my alt is going well

4-2 with only ahri so far

getting pretty annoying now with all the dodging I have to do with people not giving me mid or people banning/first picking ahri

[Saki]

Champion.gg is a pretty well-organized site. I like it almost as much as leagueofgraphs.

Some of those pages recommend using 4 AS glyphs on adcs. Is that a thing? Last I heard MR glyphs was the only thing worth using on adc.

flat mana regen glyphs are also a thing

[Saki]

first (unofficial) penta?

[Saki]

looks like a quadra to me?

hence the (unofficial)

[Saki]

...You played top taric in ranked?

During Season 4 preseason right when relic shield came out and 2-1-2 was the meta.

EDIT: And possibly after the rework of his passive to the sheen-like thing, I remember him being strong then but can't remember if that was only supp or also top.

BorK-Muramana jungle Taric was so fucking OP

[Saki]

MS CHALLENGE:

PLAY YOUR 10 PLACEMENT MATCHES WITH ONLY 1 CHAMPION.

WOOO.

[Saki]

Also, I plan on revamping my rune pages soon
I only ever use 3-4 pages max and I feel like that's a waste of rune pages
I have 18 pages / most of all runes

you guys have any suggestions/personal favorites?

[Saki]

am I the only one that did it lmao

[Saki]

Bard Revealed!

...dat ult.

hello shackleshot

[Saki]

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends. ... b=overview

I might just have played a match with

the

Urgod.

[Saki]

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends. ... b=overview

I might just have played a match with

the

Urgod.

welp, not

the

Urgod, but Keane's smurf

[Saki]

false alarm

[Saki]

fucking had my hopes up

[Saki]

So yesterday, I was playing soloq for the first time in forever, and a couple of games in I ended up playing Sivir because idk why the reason (I usually would gladly go for Cait/Ez/Ashe/Jinx). It just so happened that my support was a Nami, and we had pretty nice lane synergy. We had one of those rare supportive interactions ("Hey, you should freeze lane and deny Lucian some farm now" and "Oh, Nami E can be applied as the autoattack projectile flies and still work") etc

so he friend requested me afterwards and we played duo games

went 5/0

not the first time I've had this happen, either
my friend list has people with notes like "random from solo q. pretty good support"

soloq can be magical sometimes

[Saki]

This was a game lol

[Saki]

this just happened

ahri, panth, and kayle were like 2/13/0 collectively at 20 min in
they took baron at 22 and our mid inhib at 25
I came out of laning phase 8/2 so np
we defended against

four

fucking barons

[Saki]

Second S+ so far. Love the Ashe rework.

[Saki]

[Saki]

This is weirdly on topic, but My theory on how I should play to get to plat and how I should play to boost my friends out of bronze or silver are polar opposites. I feel to get out of bronze/silver you need to do it yourself, but to get out of gold you can rise by simply not being a feeding idiot. Is this true or is this indicative of a lack of confidence?

I've found my best results in gold come when i try to just not die. This is mostly due to me dying a ton when i dont try specifically to not die lol.

it's not "not die"
it's "don't feed to the point of no return"

like

0/2 and 50cs down in lane top and farming under turret is ok
0/4 and equal cs but enemy riven pushed to inner turret with a hydra and brut at 15 min because you kept trying to 1v1 her is not

giving up dragon is ok
flashing over wall to try to smite steal 1v5 is not

if you feed to the point where even your team cant help you, you lose

[Saki]

Hi, you are Atlantica from NA.
Your top 5 most played champions in ranked games this season are: Ahri, Jinx, Riven, Lux, Anivia
Recently, you have played: Nidalee, Xerath, Annie, Gnar, Riven, Vayne, Ezreal, Sona, Katarina
Based on your records (not just your top five most played) in comparison with hundreds of thousands of other players using data mining techniques, I will make the following suggestions:
Champions you might want to try: Graves, Zed, Lee Sin
Other champions you might want to try: Yasuo, Kalista, Akali, Rengar, LeBlanc, Draven, Nami

Hi, you are Viera Assassin from NA.
Your top 5 most played champions in ranked games this season are: Ahri, Lux, Jinx, Riven, Caitlyn
Recently, you have played: Annie, Nami, Caitlyn, Lux, Jinx, Tryndamere, Janna
Based on your records (not just your top five most played) in comparison with hundreds of thousands of other players using data mining techniques, I will make the following suggestions:
Champions you might want to try: Morgana, Graves, Lucian
Other champions you might want to try: Soraka, Lulu, Nasus, Master Yi, Orianna, Corki, Sona

[Saki]

I've actually been thinking about getting back on the league train since Heroes of the Storm balance has made it unplayable for me.

How's the game right now? I hear it's a pretty hefty tank meta.

cool
jungle changed a lot since s3
cinderhulk is insanely strong
also, righteous glory = champions without gapclosers are playable, champions with gapclosers are rediculous

[Saki]

btw guys my alt has a champion mastery score of 67
/flex

and talon is now the love of my life

[Saki]

PBE change:
Enchantment: Runeglaive
Builds out of [Sheen + Jungle Item + 200g]
Stats:
40 AP
200 Mana
+10% Cooldown Reduction
UNIQUE Passive - Spellblade: After using an ability, the next basic attack is converted into magic damage and deals 75% Base Attack Damage (+30% of Ability Power) bonus magic damage on hit in an AoE around the target (1.5 second cooldown). When attacking a monster, this also restores 6% of your missing Mana.

replacing Magus

this is like, RIP all AP junglers

for one it's good on nidalee. aaaaand here comes the other faults
you likely won't have it early game so boo hoo ap jungler's early games are still shit (with the exception of maybe Elise/Gragas but neither of them benefit from the spellblade passive--elise doesn't really reliably autoattack as a part of her combo and you're dumb if you don't go cinderhulk on fatman)
30% AP scaling on spellblade means that it's shit for everyone who's going to purely build AP (Diana, hi)
hybrid fizz/ekko/akali, maybe? might benefit but then again the -40 AP and -10% CDR kinda hurts
it would def help some of the tankier and slower junglers clear and manage mana well
could possibly let Alistar/Singed jungle again lolololol
would help malph too? (I guess) and cho. (but why would you get this over cinderhulk on cho wtf)
amumu/naut/zac don't need this for a clear and would go cinderhulk anyways
RIP Fiddle

so conclusively it helps like...nidalee, fizz, ekko, alistar, singed, akali? maybe katarina?



Like
this isnt a jungle item
because it's going to make a lot of ap champions completely broken in lane
it's 2250g while giving you the ability to take jungle camps to refill mana
smite/tp fizz, ekko, kayle to name a few


i mean it's still PBE but idfk what riot is doing with this. just make magus cost less ffs

[Saki]

I still am unable to find a main.

try ap support lucian
I'm 3-0 with it in normals

[Saki]

Zilean has like the worst fucking autoattack animation in the game too
Anivia/Vladimir are up there but Zilean is the fucking worst

edit: forgot soraka. oooooh lawd ADC soraka

[Saki]

I should just go back to maining lissandra and jayce

zac is quite good atm, too.

if you like Jayce you should try mid varus
It's like Xerath but a fuckton more stronger

[Saki]

I still am unable to find a main.

try ap support lucian
I'm 3-0 with it in normals

but tbh though fuck finding a 'main'
I play whatever the fuck I feel like playing when it comes my turn to pick

I have recently bought Brand, Vladimir, and Talon and the first thing I did was start up a ranked game & lock in
I've played like 60+ talon games in the past two weeks with like a 60% winrate too

and I often pick shit I haven't played in ages but still feel like I would play well
Elise, Sejuani, Vi, Cass, Nami, Sona, Soraka, Zyra, Riven, Yi, Tryn, etc

[Saki]

Well I like to poke or I like to play the gates game and juke and just fuck with people

varus has poke
he has no juking potential but he has poke
Same with Xerath. but xerath is boring as fuck to play
rather play Varus, Nidalee, Jayce, or AP Kog
speaking of which AP Kog is insanely strong with just tear+ludens atm

if you wanna juke tho just play like Morello+Ionians rush Fizz/Leb/AP Ez/Ekko/Flash+Ghost TF

[Saki]

you should try ap support shaco
I've seen exactly three of them last week in rnaked and they all won

[Saki]

Question guys is this intended (someone showed me this today)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toXupRy ... .be&t=1m5s

yes.
i didn't watch the whole thing but it should not work with bushes, though, so that's fair.

[Saki]

Brutalizer is in a horrid spot right now.

Other then ADC's i don't think i have bought it since new BC.

brut is still core on many AD champions
I haven't ever not bought it when I play Talon/Yi/Riven
then again I've seen many rivens skip brut and rush bc and still do incredibly well so there's that

and IE+double PD+Youmuus on adc is redic if you can rush it early atm
bahaha

[Saki]

Doesn't that push toward the cap for attack speed when the active is enabled, particularly if you use Attack speed runes+frenzy+fury?

but the point is 100% crit + ms boost when necessary

[Saki]

Tamm, the River King, the new champion.

I think he's a support.

"Fizz + Gromp" ~Top Commenter on YouTube

Meh. My mind automatically thought of something more along the lines of:
Audrey II from

Little Shop of Horrors

+ Tia Dalma from

Pirates of the Caribbean

I immediately thought of this guy

[Saki]

though I hope he's not a support bc I really don't want more tanky cc bot supports

[Saki]

Yeah, I think I'm giving up on support specifically because it's so hard to carry with one when your teammates can't.
But maybe I'm just not good enough at support?

just play velkoz

trust me

play Sona, Zyra, Vel'Koz, or Brand
9/0/21 + full AP runes
build straight AP. like rush a fucking mejais before your sightstone (but don't forget to buy green wards)
you WILL carry

[Saki]

and uh I got caught on a diamond smurf's stream (he's the Morde on my team and I'm Vi)

two parts
skip to 23:45ish in the first vid for god baron steal or watch the entire thing to see why it took a diamond smurf 50 min to win this game

http://www.twitch.tv/minnitmann/b/671015120
http://www.twitch.tv/minnitmann/b/671017960

oh and be warned i get pissy in team chat

[Saki]

uh, for what lol

[Saki]

so I'm playing soloq against notsci

[Saki]

so is the ashe

[Saki]

and it was still a 35+ min game lol

[Saki]

if you're having fun, you're probably not getting better

I'm too scared to gamble with my ELO.

I usually shell out 50 games or so before taking the champion to ranked.

Not all champions even make it to ranked.

i dont really give a shit
i have fun in all of my games
and i mostly play ranked

i never build support items other than sightstone when i play support
i pick crazy shit
first time ekko, vlad, etc

and I'm still steadily climbing

[Saki]

I'm playing smite/flash support sona for those who want to spectate

[Saki]

ugh. early game not going well. i miss ignite already. coulda killed their adc

using smite to cs cause my adc is feeding

[Saki]

ugh. early game not going well. i miss ignite already. coulda killed their adc

using smite to cs cause my adc is feeding

my team went 0-14
rip

[Saki]

he sounds ridiculously op as a flash/tp support

tp to lane
ult
bring said person back to team

and if the fucking tryndamere still doesnt group you have full reign to report him

[Saki]

but seriously though i dont see him being anything but a support, lol
he can peel pretty hard using AA-Q-AA-W or by just Wing someone
would also work as a mini kalista ult for your jungler or top
and his E makes him tanky enough with just targons+righteous glory

[Saki]

"Chat restricted for 463 games"

what the hell did this guy say? lol

[Saki]

I got an S- for

THIS GAME

and now I'm really curious how the scoring works lol
the single death was right after Irelia and I both hit 6 - we traded everything and both died, I got FB tho HAH

from my experience it scores multikills REALLY heavily
I've always gotten an S+ in games where I scored a quadra/penta, or multiple triples without exception

I think after that it looks at damage dealt to champions, and KDA? maybe? in that order or something

#1 on damage dealt to champions by a hefty margin (#2 is't even 2/3rds of your total damage) nets you S flat, I think

having a perfect KDA doesn't automatically get you an S though which sucks big time

scoring system is basically designed to say 'fuck you if you aren't 12/0/0 master yi'

[Saki]

I'm half tempted to go saki-style and play what I want in ranked.

Spoiler: huehuehuehuahahahauhauheuaheuaheuhuea

[Saki]

The amount of courage it takes to own up to bunch of strangers that you want to play Miss Fortune is staggering.

Really? I pick her on occasion and no one really complains.

same w/ Quinn adc/mid
or Vayne top
or Ashe mid
or jungle TF

they just dodge

[Saki]

more seriously though, fakegod,

this should be your... pick/ban music in-game BGM
if you're picking AFTER someone else has locked in, don't pick something that is going to fuck up your teamcomp
don't intentionally counterpick yourself. if you're playing a champion for the first time, at least THINK of why that champion would be good/bad against whatever they have.
never vote when you see that ever-so-familiar box in the bottom right corner
if you die twice in lane, type this: enter - "/" - "mute" - spacebar - "all"
avoid pissing off your teammates.
even if you feed the entire game, as long as you carried the game-winning teamfight you carried the game
splitting is a legit strategy. it's the best way to earn gold. teamfighting is not the only way to win a game.
you're in a lane for the exp not the cs. don't risk your ass for cs and get behind in xp. (this is why teleport is a great spell)
if you're being denied xp go roam or jungle
watch the minimap. rush to help if you see a fight you can make a difference in.
ping objectives like fucking mad when it comes time.
masteries, runes, skill orders, builds, and summoner spells should ALWAYS be situational.
never return to lane without potions.

as mid, trinket your jungler's first buff side entrance at 2:00
best time to put your trinket down is 3:30 or earlier if you're pushing
red buff, cinderhulk, gromp buff pulls turret aggro
when you're ganked and you think you have to flash, flash ASAP. no point in holding off any longer
your 250g trinket upgrade comes before level 12. always. please. for the love of god.
if you're the adc you get the blue one. if you're the support/jungler you get the red one. if you're the mid/top you keep the yellow one.

report and block players after game to avoid getting matched with them again
don't duo when tilting. if duoing, stop duoing. if your partner tilts too, both of you are very, very fucked

[Saki]

I'm not looking for advice. I'm in plat, and I am happy with where I am skillwise.

I'm commenting how nonchalant you guys take ranked games.

never vote when you see that ever-so-familiar box in the bottom right corner
if you die twice in lane, type this: enter - "/" - "mute" - spacebar - "all"

and uhh, also, seriously consider changing your pick/ban music to something humorous, or have something else close by that makes you smile/laugh/chill out

Sometimes I have Best of Wood Division or Top Fails open in a tab somewhere to look at

(and that's how I decide my next pick)

[Saki]

if you have a solid win rate with her, why the hell dont you ply her?

because 1) off-meta picks have a negative impact on team morale and 2) people who play ranked at his skill level know how to actually dive an adc, and 3) mf is the worst adc to play when [anything that can possibly hit you in game] is hitting you

[Saki]

I SAID "ANYTHING BUT TOP" AND THEY SENT ME TOP

[Saki]

carry.gg

also that game lol

apparently "hey rek'sai gank my lane before 6, please" means "go feed mid and bot one kill each while leona eats spears under turret"

[Saki]

for some reason sivir has been incredibly unpopular in the games i've played so far
like, i think i've only seen someone select her as a champion once in the ~150 normals i've played
despite the fact that she's one of the easiest to acquire

she does not do as much damage as other adcs
less attractive the newer you are imo

[Saki]

MF is pretty solid against Vayne

if vayne doesnt constantly get hit by double up off a minion mf can't really stop vayne from farming once vayne gets a vamp scepter
ofc supports play a huge role in this
but vayne pretty much murders her once vayne gets a bork

[Saki]

Idk the only thing worse I can imagine is something like Draven.

quinn
cait
varus
corki
graves

pretty bad lanes for vayne, i'd say, more so than mf

[Saki]

runeglaive ezreal is a thing
...

[Saki]

[Saki]

10% win rate rise is huge. Also got gold stomped by one and it felt very hard to deal with.

Supports mains only go to bronze or Diamond man.

If you catch the bounce up, you can basically ride it all the way up.

tbh I've started to agree with this more and more as I play soloq
but without the support bit
like recently all I've had was a roller coaster ride of win 7 lose 7 win 8 lose 9 win 2 lose 2 win 11, etc
tho lag and interruptions by pretentious cousins may or may not have caused loss streaks

[Saki]

Same situation but 2-2 in promos, obviously.

Okay. Fair enough.

So now the question is: do I try to raise my other account from Silver IV to Gold V or just continue to use my "smurf" to try to advance further in Gold?

I did the former and got my account banned for two weeks for repeated flaming

[Saki]

my flaming stays untyped.

i try to do the same thing
and it still happened
the people i met were THAT below what i was used to from my 'smurf'

[Saki]

Malzahar is my favorite mid laner...

This. Am I right in maxing E first and rushing RoA or is there a better way
on the path to spreading space AIDS like a Voidling God among men?

AD jungle malzahar

[Saki]

Explain.

...?
build AD?

[Saki]

http://www.amazon.com/Redragon-Origin-P ... B00TDGST0U
i got this for $13 three months ago
it's not the best thing in the world but it works for me

was kind of an upgrade up from this
I'm still sad to see it go

and no I'm serious about that being my old mouse

[Saki]

I need to get better

I go from being consistent and amazing

to useless

and it makes me sad

that is your cue to play a failproof carry champion like Vayne or Irelia

[Saki]

I got Syndra.

I like playing mid lane. I can't play Syndra for shit, though.

i havent seen a syndra who could

[Saki]

Yay, Gold V.

Congratulations!

[Saki]

I'm so bad Kshaway declined my friend request.

[Saki]

Every patch has had some bigass change, like game-changing new items or w/e. Unless I'm remembering wrong, in past seasons this typically died out a few weeks after preseason but not this time. If I could just have a few patches where they just did champ tweaks that'd be suuuper swell gee golly.

and folks, this is why you don't decide to 'main' FotM picks

[Saki]

It's not so much that he's maining FotM champs it's that they are making changes to items and giving a pile of champs radically different power levels. This Sated devourer thing is nuts along with all the AP changes have completely overhauled the game to where playing ranked right now is crazy.

um, ok, then following an FotM playstyle/buildpath?
giving champions "radically different power levels" won't mean shit if you don't play a champion that was nerfed really hard by the changes
it won't even take a quarter of the game to adjust to the different power spikes/levels of said champions

i honestly dont see the big deal?

[Saki]

you guess

[Saki]

When you've played for long enough, you've seen everything be meta.

The only constants are fucking Lee Sin and Orianna.

quinn
teemo
mf, malz, karthus (unless you count season 1)
akali (unless you count season 1/2 bronze)
i wanna say galio/talon but both are pretty popular in korea/china

"never has and never will be fotm"

okay maybe not malz and karth, but still

[Saki]

Just went 11/0/13 as MF, 24/29 kill participation. S rating. Not S+, just S.

What the fuck do I have to do

multikill / high damage done to champions
iirc a quadra will net you at least an S, if not S+ (even if you lose)

[Saki]

I think you have to lose

a lot

of games to get demoted back to Silver, which i'm confident I should be able to avoid. I ain't no pussy and like playing the game so i'm not gonna stop.

s4 you could get demoted back to silver from gold if your game mmr dropped below silver 5
this season im pretty sure you can't drop divisions unless you get reported multiple times for afking/trolling (that will almost always demote you)

[Saki]

9 to 6 office job, bored af
hiiii
anyone got any questions they want answered

[Saki]

No i'm pretty sure it's the other way around, everwhere I look points to the fact that its possible to drop from Gold to Silver now, but would require losing like 8 games (a high number, depending on MMR) in a row at 0 lp.

Still haven't lost too many games but i'm not exactly climbing.

(I know you cant decay ELO anymore in Gold and below though, but losing lots of games can get you demoted now I think?)

ah, i see
still, you should not be afraid of dropping divisions due to mmr loss
i went on a 13? 14? game loss streak at plat 5 last season but my mmr only dropped to around gold 2/3 (this post, lol)
i highly doubt you can get demoted for poor play before the season ends
don't take it as a challenge though

[Saki]

Had a bit of time today, so I logged on and hit plat 1!

diamond the dream
go get 'em

[Saki]

I feel like if Quinn got a buff to her Valor form and a better W, she could see play. I still am hoping for a minor rework.

her w is good enough
i max it second for the passive steroid

I think some of the issue with quinn is that her ult is on a ginormous cooldown, and doesn't have much power beyond the binary "Can I kill them or not with this?" Valor is cool and all, but you only get to be valor for 20 seconds out of every 140/110/80 (and you also have incentive to do really dumb stuff as valor)

i agree with ult cd being too long
you never engage a 100-100 fight with valor
you'll probably die by the time you get in melee range
use ult to get somewhere faster or run away, dont even use it to push lanes or hit turrets, any adc does that pretty well anyways
i use my first ult to get back to lane
every time

Haven't heard from you in awhile in here, Saki.

Sadly, the only real questions/requests I'd have right now would be to look over my rune/mastery pages.

yeah uh i sorta forgot you guys existed until i was bored out of my mind
ill take a look for what it's worth
if you want, check out my runepages

are you diamond yet

if so, was it worth it

i wiiiish

[Saki]

oh boy, one for all is live

O

[Saki]

i forgot the average person (myself included) is incapable of pulling a yellow card when it matters

[Saki]

5 Anivias. Just create a hexagon wall around your team if you fear the engage.

pentagon*

People should pick my new main(s) from the following pool-

Top- Fiora, Jax, Rumble
Mid- I lied, I am maining Zed/Kass
ADC- Lucian, Caitlyn, Ezreal
Support- Leona, Bard, Thresh
Jungle- (pls no) Vi, Lee Sin, Maokai

top-quinn
mid-quinn
adc-quinn
support-poppy
jungle-quinn

[Saki]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT
IT'S BEEN NEARLY 2 MONTHS SINCE LUX Q CHANGED
AND I ONLY JUST NOTICED AFTER SEEING IT ONE-SHOT TWO CASTER MINIONS

ive played at the minimum 50 games with her after 5.17 hit and I NEVER NOTICED

[Saki]

The TP meta is pretty infuriating

why?
doesnt it just make it easier for you to kill the enemy mid laner?

[Saki]

near full health

he's playing zed...

they usually brought ignite before anyway

so now if you're both low after a fight, you ignite to kill him and he can't kill you since he doesn't have ignite
even if they dont bring a defensive summoner, them not having ignite allows you to play more aggressively

[Saki]

I still hate teleport in general and think it should be removed from the game with flask.

yeah, 6 charges of flask gets pretty ridiculous, but there aren't many champions that can make flask cost/opportunity-effective
like you need to have an insanely weak early game and be able to have kill potential at 6 (which is hard to do w/o ignite)
^ the only example i can come up with off the top of my head in the midlane is talon, or fizz in a really bad matchup

if the above is not true for you (you are not fizz/talon), all it would really do is give you a cushion to fall back on if you get chunked really really low because you made a bad trade or get ganked but still you will be put behind
like there's no way tp+flask will give you much of an advantage in mid unless you're 100% confident that you don't need ignite to kill people, ever

I think if you removed the benefit to TPing to a turret it would go a long way to addressing things. As it stands, it incentivizes boring TPs like returning to lane.

now champions other than malphite, shen, nasus, and tryndamere (and people who hate clarity on mid laners) take tp
i'd rather like that change
the only problem i don't like about the tp meta is that people EXPECT you to use it for THEM
its MY summoner spell, idfc bot I'm using it to farm mid

What happens in practice though is that I get them low enough to actually kill them, and if they're in any way aware of my damage they base, and simply tp back to lane.

Then, I have an item disadvantage, they've lost little to no minions / experience, and I am lower than them.

you can prevent this pretty easily
1) trinket here

Spoiler:

just outside their turret. black line for reference (between the two walls). soz for the outdated image but i don't have league open and cbf to

this is the best place to ward for lane control.
i have not seen anyone pink to get rid of this ward, nor call in their jungler to come clear it before the 20 min mark at my mmr (plat4) so you're like 99.5% golden if you're below that
2) harass their recall. you can see up to their turret with that ward, or just simply walk up the lane if you see them missing, and if you're playing zed, let that w-q fly. even if it doesnt hit they'll often cancel their back to move back just a little.
this often fucks them over enough to miss a few minions worth of exp and even gives you an edge sometimes
3) if you see them back, either a) pull lane so your minions die faster if you think they'll tp back, or b) shove to their turret so your minions die to their turret if you think they won't tp back
you really need to be aware of your own minions as a solo laners. if you're talking in terms of exp, they matter a hell of a lot more than the enemy minions

They're able to do this since I don't run ignite on Zed (Obviously).

I mean, I don't mind it when I'm playing mid because unless I'm playing Zed I run tp.

...? you don't take ignite or tp?
i think you have your problem right there
like
flash/ignite.
if you wanna be "hipster" go for flash/exh or exh/ignite
there is no reason to take a defensive summoner on zed.

I dunno, I'm still getting used to mid as I'm sick of playing support right now. My mechanics are probably good enough to get D3 ish playing Mid, but my actual decision making is garbage. I have good game knowledge from playing support so long, but I still do stupid crap even though It's dumb. I guess it'll improve when I force myself to do things that I might not necessarily want to do but I know it's better.

sorry to tell you this, but if you think tp is the most annoying shit ever because it gives your opponent an edge while simultaneously denying you a kill all the time, you need to learn some more solo lane mechanics to hit d3

FYI the reason I'm sick of support is because it's rarely actually impactful anymore with the double TP meta. I make a play botlane, we kill their adc and push for an advantage, and suddenly its a 4v2 or a 4v3 or something because of two tp's.

4v2...? leave before their adc comes back, lol.
if you're talking about a 3v2, there really isn't that much excuse to not be able to get outta that if you've been warding properly.
and if top does tp bot for whatever reason, your top is getting freefarm/xp and gets to control the wave however he wants. that's an insane edge over in top and if you manage to not die you're golden.

The issue is that I really love playing Zed because... I like mechanically intensive champs I guess. All of the champs that I actually am any good at require a lot of skill (Thresh, Lee Sin, Zed, Vayne, then stuff like Xerath etc.) - I enjoy the challenge of learning a new champion and I really wanna pick up Riven now and learn the in-depth animation cancelling that someone like BoxBox is godlike at.

uhhhhhh
zed? mechanically intensive?
i get lee sin and vayne but zed...
if you just like playing champions that have 'outplay' potential just say it like that

[Saki]

the secret depth of Sona or whatever.

most people don't know that charging up a powerchord (going from 2 stacks to the full 3 ) instantly resets your aa timer
so instead of q-aa you can aa-q-aa in essentially the same time

there you go, all you have to know

[Saki]

Wait where did I say it was the most annoying shit ever? I said I specifically hate it botlane since it's way too easy to punish a adc/support taking an objective.
I hate it when I'm playing zed because of previous reasons. I also said that my mechanics are fine, not lane mechanics.

mb, i misunderstood you, i guess

I wasn't talking about their adc, I was talking about their jungler. Support, double TP and a jungler gank botlane happens almost every game nowadays.

didn't think of that
double tp has been a pretty rare occurrence for me

I class him as mechanically intensive. In order to actually outplay someone half decent you have to have good shadow control, long range skillshots and good spacial awareness.

eh, i would disagree just because he's a) resourceless and b) you really dont even need to aa in his combo to "outplay"
i tend to think of mechanics as more clicks and/or button pushes in a shorter amount of time (e.g. tibbers/clone control, riven aa cancel, katarina resets)
and also im kinda biased against anything that blocks projectiles or makes you untargetable so there's that too
like
you can 'outplay' someone as fizz/yasuo, or 'outplay' someone as koggy
it's definitely more mechanically intensive on the kog

[Saki]

I really need to get my wave management together. I can shove it so that it crashes into the enemy turret, that's the easy part, but how to I "bounce" (hearing this a lot at Worlds), and how do I "Pull" the wave towards me when the enemy laner is absent. If they're there, I just push the wave a little less than they do with my CS, and eventually they push it towards me, but if they're absent how do I move it to my side?

basically, if the wave hard resets (two waves are meeting in the middle w/o any interruptions), stand slightly ahead of your minions to draw aggro from the enemy minions, and walk out of sight
the goal is to get the front two enemy melee minions hitting just one of yours
a couple of things can go wrong, though
if you pull them too far, one of your melee minions may rush to the enemy caster minions then get slaughtered (resulting in a really fast push, which you likely want to avoid in the laning phase)
or if you pull them too close your melee ends up 2v1ing the enemy melee and end up pushing

[Saki]

basically, freezing = denying, don't do it unless you're absolutely confident that you can crush the enemy laner in sustain/damage
it rarely happens in solo queue, but examples may be Cait/Nami vs Vayne/Zyra or something so you pull the lane in, and force vayne and zyra to position really awkwardly to deal with harass/ganks in bot, and something like Kennen/Quinn vs Tryndamere in top. you pull your minions back so that tryndamere can't walk up to cs (and can't even get exp, if you position the wave right and stand between tryndamere and his ranged minions)
roam potential is an argument that you can't really bank on because it could go better or worse. you can't go wrong with freezing if you do it right.

also, uh, something worth mentioning is that i learned to cs not by watching the enemy minion's hp but rather what my caster minions were attacking
and in wave control, turrets are very important. if there's a wave pushing towards you and you want to freeze it, you stand in front of your turret so you tank the wave instead of the turret. its part of the reason why you can only do it while ahead towards mid/late, because it will require and insane amount of sustain/tankiness (renekton, garen, jax, ranged top laner, soraka lanes, etc) and the ability to win trades even with a minion disadvantage as myko mentioned

basically all freezing comes to is getting you full lane exp/cs while denying the opposing lane from getting the same, it's the most solid way to keep and expand an advantage. while it might not be too significant in lower level play, the higher you go, the more important a 13AD difference from 1 longsword and an extra level becomes because people simply will fuck up less

this is a very good skill to practice, esp in solo queue

often enough if you deny someone hard they will start tilting and a) go roam and feed your team in a different lane or b) take their team's jungle camp, get badly hurt and raise tensions with their jungler in the process so apart from the mechanical aspect there's that too

[Saki]

also, uh, the thing about not letting your tower kill the enemy minions goes for when you want to deny exp while their laner is gone
make sure to let their turret kill your minions even if it means delaying taking down their turret
often enough you don't want to take an outer turret in yoloq because turret gold won't really help much

and alsopeople start grouping mid and teamfighting when there are really more advantages you can claim in other parts of the map

[Saki]

yay spamposting


so if the enemy top laner tps bot to make a play, and your bot lane dies and is angrily pinging their top turret, feel free to ignore them and set up a slow push towards you by letting their turret massacre your minions

[Saki]

you can prevent this pretty easily
1) trinket here

oh and another thing
i cant stress this enough but please deep ward lanes
there is no minion vision more often than there is, and even if you have minion vision, minion vision/aggro is complete shit this game so you can't rely on it
like too many times when i see people that actually do ward they ward the mid lane bush AND pixel bush AND dragon AND the jungle entrance and then not ward mid
pleaaaase ward the lanes. also more often than not people in solo queue will often just stand in a lane when they think there's nothing for them to do so you can get vision of that instead of calling an mia

[Saki]

But blitz also beats them in usefulness if your team is even/ahead due to always being able to make picks.

uhh blitz needs someone with him to be able to make picks
vel/annie can easily 1v1 when ahead

[Saki]

I think I'm done with league again.

lol k

[Saki]

bruiser meta so fun

when i call 'not top' but get forced to top anyways vs darius or garen or something

destroy your teamcomp

pick quinn
rush fm
ezpz

[Saki]

I didn't record it

Is there any way to find it after the fact?

op.gg

[Saki]

I just go singed when i am forced top and press laugh all game.

I won on default honestly.

i cant do this and win
i always get myself killed doing /j or /l or whatever

[Saki]

if any of you are interested in the god of ip-lol series and don't know wtf it is and wtf its doing on the lol client front page

it's a riot-sponsored reality show focusing on newly released champions
'ip-lol' literally translates into 'mouth-lol,' so it means playing league with your mouth (instead of your hands)
its a more derogatory term for 'theorycrafting'

the show is run in a classic korean reality show format, with five static members + a guest
they joke around a bit, then explain the champion, then each of the members minus the mc takes his stab at how to play the champion
then the guest says something
and they play two matches with the guest (with a 'mission' according to what the four members theorycrafted before)

it's basically a champion spotlight done in a korean-style format.

it's supposed to be funny, i guess (they make a lot of puns, references, etc) but it's mostly cliche and bland humor
i wouldn't really recommend it to a non-korean speaker but it's good to see how the pros interact with a new champion and the static members

the static members are Gang Min (former StarCraft pro/caster, current OGN caster), Lee Hyun Woo (better known as CloudTemplar, former league of legends pro and current caster/streamer), Kim Jung Gyun (known as kkOma, current SKT coach), and Sohn Dae Young (former caster, current coach of CJ Entus)
they have episodes for every champion released starting with gnar
invited guests are: ganked by mom (Azir), MadLife & Space (Kalista), Watch (Rek'Sai), GorillA (Bard), Faker (Ekko), Duke (Tahm Kench), and Reignover (Kindred)

will summarize if interested

[Saki]

..keybind it?

i do, i just decide to do it in the best of places (right in the enemy base after killing an inhib, sitting in front of their t1 turret after shoving the wave in, etc)

[Saki]

my condolences.

[Saki]

i...think so?
idk, i always use keybinds so im not sure

[Saki]

so a guy just asked me if i sub to r/talonmains
i did not think that actually was a subreddit....

[Saki]

....
a is for attack move, s is for stop.
z = expand chat
x = mia
c = otw
v = back
t = danger
g = ping
y = help

how do you play the game w/o smartpings bound...

[Saki]

you woosh

woosh?

[Saki]

it's annoying, to ping multiple times though (and i get it wrong half the time)
easier to just hover over minimap and press a button

[Saki]

jungle-quinn

and fucking tahm needs a nerf or champion deletion
preferably the latter

[Saki]

Just bind it to one key. I use L for laugh cause nothing in league uses L. J for Joke, K for Dance and T for Taunt.

'L' defaults to toggle minion health bars iirc
'T' is team chat

[Saki]

why are they not removing braum e or yasuo w or fiora w or tahm w
there should not be any abilities with zero counterplay

[Saki]

oh and fizz e

[Saki]

Flank Yas or Braum if it's up

they can also move. not that easy to flank someone when they're also moving.

wait out the not-that-significant time it's up

it lasts four seconds
four
fucking
seconds
i dont know what game you've been playing if you think four seconds is not significant

don't pick ranged stuff into them

how is this considered a 'counterplay'

[Saki]

If you accept that part of the game is champion select.

you are going to have at least three champions with some sort of ranged ability on any team
if you pick a team with zero projectile abilities i don't see you winning

[Saki]

Rengar deleting ADC's and APC's in under 0.5 seconds (a lot of counterplay there)? Get a tahm to save you.

Zhonyas. GA. Denying Rengar a chance to farm/get kills. Pink wards + actual peel. You know when because of the exclamation mark beside your head.
Tahm W is just absolute fucking bullshit. Here, let me just remove you from the fight completely and move you to wherever the fuck I desire whether you're an enemy or an ally. If you're an enemy, fuck you because I just did 900 magic damage because %hp scaling, lol.

Taric stun that is 100% unavoidable? Put up that Yasuo wall! Super fast Syndra stun?

Taric - obviously telegraphed, 625 range, 1.6s stun on a 14s CD at max rank.
Spellshields. Running to a safer position the moment you see him walk up. Staying out of range.
Syndra - it's not "super fast," you see it coming. and she has to hit you with a ball to actually stun you.

The counterplay to Yasuo and Braum walls is to play better and not shit out abilities in a fashion that they will be obviously blocked. Bait that shit out then turn on them once they go on CD.

I can deal with morgana/sivir spellshield, and even maybe fiora W because they're 'reaction' abilities that requires you to predict when the abilities are coming and block them.
Yasuo / Braum walls and Tahm W requires absolutely no prediction whatsoever.

"Hey, I see you trying to hurt me, so I'm going to counter it to gain the upper hand." vs "Hey, fuck you, you can't hurt me for 4 seconds."

[Saki]

Protecting the BS that is Rengar/Fizz/Zed/Leblanc burst with items that some champs wont get (Zhonyas) and items you get 5th or 6th (GA), is idk. It's easy to say "Oh, just Zhonya or play safe", but those champs are hard to counterplay the second they succeed in starting their combo, if LB lands the chain or Rengar ults you're likely dead no matter what you do afterwards. I've seen Rengars zoom past 4 teammates sitting around pinks and delete carries in seconds cause Rengar, and Fizz just E over your team and blow you up in a second BUT I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE "COUNTERPLAYED" THAT TOO HUH.

I mean I like Assassins but it's almost impossible to counterplay them the second they get ahead or start snowballing. A snowballing Zed Lb or Fizz can take over a game and sometimes there's little you can do about it regardless of "counterplay". I've seen Rivens 1v3 and 1v4 teams in late game cause Riven is aids.

uh
i don't think that's the champion's fault
you shouldn't really need a tahm kench to not get completely obliterated by an assassin in an equal gold 5v5 scenario
sure, assassins are scary, but they're only scary because you're giving them a chance to kill you
Hourglass / GA / Pink Wards / proper warding / proper positioning + peel

there IS counterplay to a champion diving into your back line and trying to burst someone down
it's called stopping their burst combo (hard cc, vision loss, killing them) which is POSSIBLE to accomplish

it is IMPOSSIBLE to stop a tahm kench from eating a locked up / mispositioned ally and running away
it is IMPOSSIBLE to stop a tahm kench from spitting a udyr/riven in your face

tl;dr it's hard to counterplay an assassin because their entire kit is designed to 'outplay' you, but it's still possible to counterplay one.
on the other hand, its actually fucking impossible to do anything vs tk/yasuo

[Saki]

I've seen Rengars zoom past 4 teammates sitting around pinks and delete carries in seconds cause Rengar, and Fizz just E over your team and blow you up in a second BUT I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE "COUNTERPLAYED" THAT TOO HUH.

I've seen Rivens 1v3 and 1v4 teams in late game cause Riven is aids.

i feel like you are playing a totally different game than me
in what world are a) terrible early game champions like rengar/fizz/leblanc ahead enough to 100-0 someone, b) miraculously not hit by any type of cc on the enemy team, and/or c) even ABLE TO GET CLOSE to the backline without someone from the enemy team trying to stop them

i've seen just as many rengars ult, jump in, then get a face-full of tibbers and die on the spot getting only 1 auto off
i've seen many a flashless riven die while trying to qqq into the enemy adc
many assassins perform poorly in teamfights because they can't deal damage from a safe range and are squishy and come late game that's why they're so ineffective, because late-game revolves around teamfights

i honestly don't see how you can think this way unless you play with like 700 ping and can't see whether that fizz is in front of or behind you

[Saki]

also
THE TIME HAS COME FOR US, VALOR

no more bird form, no more blind, no more execute damage on R-2, while making her passive late-game oriented
but her autoattack range is unchanged

...
it's literally just draven with a ult that makes you run faster instead of a global damage ult

[Saki]

sorry but is tahm kench immune to cc in a way that a udyr/riven isn't

he gets 50% bonus MS by eating them
he can spit them out / they can click out in a direction that they choose
so if he gets single target cc'd the person inside can click out

as if the fact that you can't hurt the riven/udyr while they're running up to you wasn't huge already

[Saki]

You're right Saki. I'll just buy a Hourglass and happily say that I have counterplayed all champions.

Learn how to bait Yasuo walls and how flank around them. Just how you would never throw your important spells into a Leblanc/Shaco/Wukong clone like an idiot, don't throw your important shit into a situation that will get walled, it's that simple. Come teamfight, the Yasuo will eventually use the wall and then you can reposition likewise.

dude, just shut the fuck up and actually listen, k?
you've misunderstood me entirely

i have never fucking said hourglass/GA was the only way you can 'counterplay' an assassin
hell, they don't really help if you're gonna get shit on 1v1 or 2v2 anyways, you're still gonna die, just 3s later

i don't know how bad you are / how bad the people you play with are, so i can't say just how stupid you are by thinking assassins > all and you NEED a tahm kench W to save your ass
but if you have a half-decent reaction time and awareness to CC an assassin that's dove your backline and your carry isn't stupid as shit and knows that they need to focus the assassin first they are no problem at all
it's stupidly easy to do come lategame and it's why you see champions like leblanc and fizz fall off so fucking hard versus something like viktor or azir in lategame play
you're thinking like the generic

bronze 5

level 15 player who bans akali, master yi, and tryndamere because omg they're fucking op
protip: they're not

ofc you won't throw your important spells at a clone, duh.
my point isn't that, it's that fucking yasuo and braum have a WALL not a SHIELD that also lasts for FUCKING 4 SECONDS (tahm immunity is 6, btw) on a shorter cooldown than sivir/morgana spellshield
not to mention yasuo W has no cost

a projectile wall ability is something other champion ULTIMATES don't even do and these fuckers have them on a short cooldown as one of their regular abilities

and how the hell do you "reposition" around a 500-width wall other than walking through it
please, i am dying to know
btw, 500 width is enough to completely cover baron/dragon pit entrances and jungle paths
please fucking tell me how im supposed to reposition around that

also, i want to tell you that smart players don't get their spellshields/walls "baited"
they wait until they see the animation coming and then use it
so you can't "bait" it and still have your ability hit 4 seconds(note: enough time for 2-3 people to get obliterated) later, it's gonna be gone and on fucking cooldown
and guess what
Banshees disappears after 1 spell. morgana shield disappears after magic damage. sivir spellshield blocks 1 spell.
so even if they absorb 1 ability, you can follow up with a second cc

what does a spell-wall do
block everything
there is no chance of a follow up cc
there is no chance of a follow up, period. for four seconds

also the fact that tahm gains a ms boost while eating an ally champ is stupid
he should be slowed by like 50% or something