League of Legends (Old)

Iecerint · Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:30 pm

Also, can I just say that I really hate the "no more swapping jungle before enchant for free" change.

RIP all my junglers.

Iecerint · Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:30 pm

I am surprised to be the first to bitch about it.

Iecerint · Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:37 pm

Right, but the main effect is that junglers who are already strong after a clear and don't need trailblazer remain that way, and champions who aren't are even farther behind.

Like, I get that the goal is to nerf a dominant upgrade style because they want diversity, but the effect is going to disproportionately harm people who needed it as a crutch because the jungle doesn't favor them.

It's the same effect as the machete upgrade cost increase in 5.3.

I'd reserve judgment for 5.5, but they've been asking for reserved judgment as long as I've played the game at this point. ^^'

Iecerint · Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:21 pm

My point is that Riot is making balance changes in the name of "strategic diversity" that only accentuate the primacy of the currently-dominant jungle paradigm.

I am not arguing that there is no way around it. I agree with you that hewing to the dominant paradigm is the way around it. But Riot's actions aren't very related to their mission statement.

Iecerint · Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:51 pm

In post 39665, JasonWazza wrote:The problem being anything that helps someone that is struggling helps the ones that aren't like 5 times as much.

That's not true. The top junglers in 5.3 started with Chilling Smite to facilitate ganks, so the jungle item exchange didn't help them at all.

Iecerint · Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:20 pm

If only ActionDaniel had a computer to enjoy it with. :[

Iecerint · Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:52 pm

Pretty much the first most important thing is killing the dragon.

Iecerint · Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:59 am

So, Urgot has great poke, high base damage, free tank stats, suppression, skillshot AoE armor shred, and a point-and-click 40% slow+exhaust.

Why is he not played support?

Iecerint · Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:16 pm

He has a range similar to Morgana and Janna. Janna can do stuff without landing her skillshot, but Morgana is in the same boat as Urgot, and Urgot's E at least seems to have a faster particle speed than her

W

Q.

And his E and EQ combo have great range ofc.

Iecerint · Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:19 pm

Ya, fixed.

Iecerint · Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:22 pm

So, I tried it in Team Builder against Annie/Sivir with a Graves ADC. It felt fine, really, considering I'd never played him against humans before, and this felt like a bad match-up because Sivir could block lots of Urgot/Graves abilities and Annie could stun Urgot during his ult channel. We won lane, largely because Annie was pretty mediocre, but the solo lanes had trouble.

Spellthief, start E (procs 3 times on DoT ala Morgana W and lacks minion block issues), then QQ and just do your standard EQQQQ thing. E landing means you can zone them away from the minion wave for 5 seconds or take off half their health. Build Tear into Sightstone into whatever. I didn't have any mana issues after Tear, and prior to that it wasn't any worse than playing as, say, Sona. I probably could've self-consciously spammed Q better to stack Tear faster if I'd been more comfortable with him.

I don't think ganks are really disproportionately bad at all? You just press R to escape (or to put them under your turret) and maybe use an autoattack to slow if necessary. It's basically the same as Sona, except that you don't have to aim R or prepare an E-powerchord (advantages), but they can hard CC you out of the R depending upon who the support is and you don't have an ms boost (disadvantages).

The obvious difference re: other supports is that he does physical damage and every other support doesn't, so relatively useful if you end up supporting on team without much physical damage. It certainly feels better than the time I tried to figure out Ashe support, which is the closest AD support competitor I can think of. The armor shred on E also synergizes nicely with an AD lane partner, and it's easier to apply than Taric's W (best analogue on a support champion I can think of). In team fights you can peel with ult/slow/passive.

Graves felt like a really good partner (albeit maybe not into Sivir) because he could easily follow-up on armor shred + exhaust to trade really favorably every time EQ landed.

All-ins I think would be a legit issue if you're caught (some support urgot guides I've seen mention Leona as being really problematic), but I don't think that separates him from other poke supports.

Iecerint · Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:00 pm

Morgana would be pretty easy I think. Nami might be OK. The others sound awful.

Iecerint · Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:23 am

His damage is super strong when he gets TF.

He's safer than other champions who also get really strong with TF in the midgame (Kog, Corki).

I think he used to be crowded out by Corki, but I think the balance is better after Corki's W mana cost was changed.

Iecerint · Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:29 am

He's been played mid more than ADC in NA and EU lately (while still building AD or blue).

My guess is that you're trying to play him like a Graves, since that is the ADC you typically play.

Iecerint · Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:35 am

Re: Corki W/Ez E, Ezreal's E cooldown is the major differentiating factor I think in addition to the mana cost, especially because Ezreal will max it second rather than third.

Ezreal has the build flexibility to bring utility with IBG and apply it at 1100 range, useful depending upon what the rest of your team pick and how the game is going. This is probably the most distinguishing characteristic vs. other champions in the ADC position.

Iecerint · Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:58 am

Iecerint · Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:04 am

You can replace your GA with a Banshee's and then with another GA, though.

Iecerint · Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:22 pm

In post 39846, DeathNote wrote:B3 bb lol

Maybe you'll play with Kaceytron.

Iecerint · Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:49 pm

His Q does apply his passive and the slow from his W, but it doesn't apply any on-hit effects that aren't built into his kit.

Typical build is:

Manamune
Last Whisper
Brutalizer -> Cleaver
Frozen Heart
XX Defensive Item (hexdrinker/banshee/whatever)
Merc Boots

Take 5% CDR in runes to finish the blue-less CDR. The guides I've read suggest 6 flat CDR glyphs on the grounds that 10% CDR lets him get an extra rocket off during E pretty reliably during early laning. Take armor penetration reds and quints.

I guess you could maybe sheen if they were crazy full of dive and you were going to skirmish at close range a lot. I laned against a Talon and probably could've used one.

An earlier Elixir of Wrath is really nice because it gives him a reliable source of lifesteal.

Iecerint · Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:50 pm

Ls memorably coached an Urgot main awhile ago. There's a youtube video:

Iecerint · Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:08 pm

Iecerint · Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:44 pm

In post 39855, animorpherv1 wrote:So, I want to learn Swain. I know that Iece (I think it's Iece...) plays him, at least. Probably more. What do I do?

I tried learning him for awhile, but I'm not good enough at last-hitting to do very well with him. I'd rather just play Vladimir for the easier time farming and similar later power-curve, even if you miss out on the CC. Swain has a much stronger laning phase if you can keep up on farm, though.

His biggest weaknesses are lack of waveclear and lack of last-hitting tools early on. He has extremely low AD, and the skills you are likely to max first (Q and E) are not great for securing minions. Even his ultimate deals low per-target damage, so you can miss individual minions if you don't also micromanage your autoattacks if you're with a minion wave. A high-profile diamond Swain main who posts on GameFAQS goes so far as to use AD reds in large part due to this. The first tick on his Q applies instantly, so you can use this to secure low-health minions that you barely missed or help out with tower farming.

If you can master last-hitting with him and aren't against Ziggs, I think he's really strong. Catching someone in your full WEQ combo is easily half of their health early on. Be sure to follow-up all Es with auto-attacks, since they're also enhanced by E. (This is part of what makes the AD red option somewhat reasonable, though magic penetration is of course going to scale better.) He's great at bullying any champion who has to approach the minion wave to cs, since you can reliably snare them and make them eat your entire combo.

One thing to note is that his sustain scales with his damage output; hence, stacking AP and penetration will also make him tankier. So, when thinking about MR, build Abyssal before Spirit Visage, and only build Spirit Visage if they have fed magic damage.

If you don't mind delaying your power spike, I think RoA + Seraph feels good on him. A huge mana pool lets you ult for a longer period of time in team fights, and the passive of course interacts with RoA. For the same reason, avoid building mana regen-oriented mana items. A large mana pool works better than focusing on regen because of his ult.

I have a league buddy who plays only Swain in 99% of games that I can refer you to if you want to talk to someone who plays him a lot. There are lots of Swain-specific tower farming gimmicks and so on. I think he's having more trouble this season because of League of Morello, but he gets around it by trying to use Zhonya at 41% health or more during team fights.

On the bright side, sometimes you come out of laning phase way behind in cs, and then just walk to midlane and get a double kill by pressing R and snaring someone. So the mechanics get much simpler later on. ^^

Iecerint · Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:55 am

In post 39861, xRECKONERx wrote:BARD SPOTLIGHT HYPEEEEE

DEFINITELY NOT UDYR HYPE

omg

Iecerint · Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:39 am

Tear is pretty overdetermined in fewer than 12 hours due to the new mana scaling on his W when the new patch hits.

TF/IBG would definitely be really really good if he had better aa range. Did his Q previously apply on-hit?

Iecerint · Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:32 pm

The deal is that his range is already really great if you can land his E. A low aa range means that he's crippled for a long time if he misses an E.

/drunkpost

Iecerint · Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:38 am

I like to start boots against him to make it easier to dodge his knock-up.

Iecerint · Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:59 pm

Quas's recent match history:

Iecerint · Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:00 pm

Keane had a really incredible Urgod moment a few days ago, too.

Iecerint · Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:27 pm

I think Urgot has been played top a plurality of the time for awhile now. It's a majority of the time right now at 53%.

The mana scaling he just got on his shield is super nice.

Iecerint · Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:03 am

I watched Bulge's first placement match yesterday, and I definitely felt for him. Ouch.

Iecerint · Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:05 am

He had a Heimer + Malz duo botlane. Like, it happened volitionally and not due to everyone wanting to play mid.

Iecerint · Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:40 am

Quas is playing Urgot top again. ^_^

I wonder if we'll see the Urgod sometime. :X

Iecerint · Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:29 am

The removal of silences from the game helped his W pick up a bit of a niche I think. 2.5 seconds is a long time.

Iecerint · Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:31 pm

They barely lose a duel or lose it due to jungler intervention, then re-enter lane resolved that it will go differently this time, heedless of the growing XP and item gap, etc.

Iecerint · Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:21 pm

People throw games a lot, though. Throws and counterthrows.

So you might win the 5 v 20 game.

Iecerint · Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:03 am

Taric is extremely strong, especially if you are bad at league of legends mechanically. He has tons of strength that requires 0 or very low mechanical skill. He has non-ult, targeted hard CC, which gets better and better the more it's removed from other champions. He's one of the strongest duelists in the game. He gets damage AND sustain scaling by building full-tank. He's the #3 winrate support right now (behind Blitzcrank and Brand).

Weaknesses are vulnerability to being kited (build IBG!) and lack of scaling from building MR (though that's more like just being like most tanks in the game that aren't Leona or Galio). Also, he's going to get a rework "soon" that will probably change him considerably. Similar to super-broken, never-played old-Sona, a lot of his power is invisible, so people don't appreciate all of what he's doing.

I always pick him into heavy AD and often into Katarina (for the super reliable stun). If you start to lose lane, just switch to maxing Q and outscale.

Iecerint · Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:19 am

In post 40039, Oman wrote:
In post 40038, Iecerint wrote:just switch to maxing Q

This seems like a recipe for bad.

You don't

plan

to max Q, but you

do

max it if you're forced to. Taric has a built-in counter to poke, which

should

be his standard lane counter. The standard story is to try to max W for damage or E for the increased stun duration, but if you don't think you can engage very safely, Q does more for you.

This can happen if you pick Taric after you see AD top/mid/jungle, and then they pick someone like Sona as the opposing support subsequent to you. If Sona is terrible, you can maybe get a cheesy early kill and snowball, but she'll win otherwise. Maxing Q (alongside relic shield) means she can't poke down your ADC, and you'll survive to scale to make their AD top/mid/jungle much weaker in team fights.

Iecerint · Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:38 am

If I max E earlier, it's primarily to lower the cooldown. You can get 2 stuns off in team fights early if you use Taric's passive and you have early points in E.

I do E first if sustain is fine as-is or they're totally focusing the ADC (so points in Q just raises the mana cost at limited sustain benefit, since the self-healing component is wasted in that case) and I can't safely get close enough for the damage part of W to do me any good (because the aura scaling on W doesn't scale with levels, so all points in W functionally do at that point is give your ADC about 0.5 armor per point after the first one, which is definitely not worth).

You can really max Taric's skills in any order you want. W if the enemy is bad or you can get on them reliably, Q if and as much as you have to, E otherwise. I think he's the only champion where I level him very reactively.

Iecerint · Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:41 am

I think maxing W first isn't always really the best thing, though I definitely agree that it's normatively the first thing to max and it's great when you can get away with it. I max it first if I notice that my ADC knows what's up (e.g., you're with Lucian and you notice that he always does his full combo after you E->W).

This ends up meaning that I max Q first most of the time, since having a clued-in ADC and simultaneously not being against a heavy poke lane is sorta rare.

Iecerint · Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:15 am

I usually rush Shroud -> Frozen Heart after sightstone, but I definitely agree that it's mana-heavy.

Velkoz is so fantastic when you get someone who can magically land all of his stuff.

Iecerint · Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:24 am

In post 40053, Llamarble wrote:
[W] gives free stats that mean you require less healing

I think the personal armor on Taric's W (+5 per extra point, +10 for the first point) is basically irrelevant during lane. His self-sustain is ridiculous and both his sources of sustain split healing between Taric and the ADC, so the limiting factor in how much sustain is needed is resistances for your ADC rather than resistances for Taric. This is probably more and more true as you climb and people really go the extra mile to not bother with Taric (though hopefully people get more clued in to the armor shred on Taric W as you climb, too).

It's definitely the best damage choice, though.

Iecerint · Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:33 am

Oh, I'm happy that the Darius ult changes aren't being scrapped.

I don't even play Darius.

I heard about the Ashe change, but I hope it's cool. I'd really like a stacking slow passive that starts stacking at N consecutive hits.

Iecerint · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:41 am

lol @ surprise party amumu splash

Iecerint · Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:01 pm

Urgot is definitely strong against Zed. His mana/CDR items give him lots of armor and his passive+shield+suppression counter dive-and-escape assassination patterns in general.

Zed can probably push and roam, though.

Iecerint · Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:21 pm

I'm imagining a player who picked Yasuo and then kept typing SCIENCE after every team fight that had a 5-man ult.

Iecerint · Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:47 pm

Oman lacks faith in the Urgod.

Iecerint · Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:47 pm

Although, something pretty amusing is that Urgot's mid winrate just dropped all the way to 41%. He's 48% in toplane.

I blame Keane.

Iecerint · Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:35 pm

The UOL game was still my favorite, though. So good.

Iecerint · Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:01 pm

It's such a sweet game to watch because Urgot is the victim of hate crimes and then he turns his life around and gets a triple kill.

Iecerint · Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:55 am

I like it. This is close to his original lore. He already has a gazillion skins, though.

Iecerint · Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:10 am

In post 40123, hiplop wrote:IMO i think zilean was already stronger than he was before, and this buff will spiral him out of control

Zilean was deliberately Ryze/Eve'd immediately before his mini-rework, though. So it was intended to add strength.

Iecerint · Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:48 pm

In post 40137, Gendaberry wrote:
In post 40135, PJ. wrote:
Edit: Played a bard game, holy shit how does this guy's win rate suck? He's insane.

Maybe the patch changed things, but Bard's laning phase is awful. I've only seen 1 Bard win lane at diamond so far, and it was Crs elementz on a smurf. His lategame is insane but getting there is a nightmare. He's like the vayne of supports

A new challenger approaches!

Iecerint · Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:33 pm

Or you can play Morgana and pretend it's Season 4.

Iecerint · Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:29 pm

In post 40259, The Bulge wrote:Low silver fucking sucks. I've lost my last 7 games in a row, and every single time there is someone on my team who is just a total asshole. Please tell me it's not like this at every rank. I am very quickly losing my taste for ranked.

I'd say every other game or so has one pretty annoying player, but sometimes he's on the other team, so you get one every 4th game or so.

But you really don't forget him. <_<

I believe in you!

Iecerint · Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:19 am

Only Diana X Leona.

Iecerint · Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:20 am

And maybe Darius X Taric, but it has to be Chinese Taric.

Iecerint · Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:21 am

Chinese Taric is awesome.

Iecerint · Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:37 am

What was it about the meta of mid-Season 4 that made Karma mid a thing? I can't remember.

I remember that Karma support happened because she was a poke-support who wasn't zoned out by Leona, so she was an option if Morgana wasn't. And people still didn't remember Janna.

Iecerint · Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:08 pm

AS items might depend on the coding.

Apparently it's just normal urf with healing reduction, though.

Iecerint · Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:34 pm

Urgod urf.

Iecerint · Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:35 pm

In post 40397, Oman wrote:
In post 40396, PJ. wrote:I thought URF mode was the least fun of all the modes they have released.

You're wrong!

Iecerint · Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:50 pm

In post 40443, DeathNote wrote:Confirmed that AD malz is NOT good lol. I understand how it works in theory but the game is just too fast pace for him to be effective.

I did toplane with an AD Malz in URF a bit ago. It was silly.

Iecerint · Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:42 pm

Capitalize it and add an exclamation mark.

Iecerint · Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:59 pm

His cooldowns are pretty low if you abuse his passive.

Iecerint · Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:42 pm

It's relevant to the original point, which was the worry that it had not yet become acceptable outside of LCS.

Iecerint · Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:26 pm

In post 40502, xRECKONERx wrote:OHBOY

IM TALON

Iecerint · Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:15 am

In post 40544, FakeGod wrote:then you have that weird creepy guy who adds you after the game and every time he sees you online, he hits on you while referring to you as "Lux <3"

I do that. ^_^

Iecerint · Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:28 am

I had a league Draven boyfriend, but he turned out to be a 15 year old girl.

We were only boyfriends for about 1.5 ARAMs, though.

Iecerint · Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:44 am

I had a Zed boyfriend who called me Lux for awhile.

I haven't played with him for a few months, though.

Main current league boyfriend is a Riven.

Iecerint · Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:14 pm

In post 40553, Brandi wrote:One guy thought I was male and he kept calling me "sexy little fuckboi" >_>

Ideal pick-up line.

Iecerint · Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:16 pm

One time someone was hitting on me and I discovered he was 13.

Iecerint · Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:28 pm

Do heteros say "thirsty"? I didn't know.

Iecerint · Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:37 pm

Iecerint · Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:09 am

Does Cho's ult have recovery frames? If it does or at least has more such frames than Lee's, that could provide a window.

I play neither champion.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:23 am

I meant like, a period when he can't smite.

My recollection is that Cho is kind of still for a moment when he ults, so I thought it might be coded as cc.

Iecerint · Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:04 pm

I love the tank meta and am annoyed at how vocally people are complaining about it.

Iecerint · Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:04 pm

Like, not here, but on the broader league internet.

Iecerint · Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:29 am

They just need to slightly buff Devourer now and figure out a version of Poacher's Knife that makes sense, I think.

Iecerint · Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:15 am

I think TP/Ghost is better, but in LCS they've tended to take TP/Ignite.

Vlad uses Ghost pretty well, since he can already dodge abilities with pool. Taking him mid and using both Flash and Ghost is magical, though.

Iecerint · Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:01 am

Does Vlad's damage amp still affect true damage?

I ask because in season 3 they patched this out for Swain/Talon/Poppy, but maybe non-personal damage amplification is coded differently. They implied they were patching all such amp effects, but Vlad's wasn't mentioned.

Iecerint · Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:24 am

URF has destroyed my ability to manage mana.

Iecerint · Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:02 am

I find toplane Vladimir so relaxing. But that might not be what you mean by "fun."

Iecerint · Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:28 pm

In post 40692, FakeGod wrote:Shadow Isles is the strongest region right now

They were trash-tier forever. D:

Hail Kalista.

Iecerint · Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:56 pm

In post 40694, FakeGod wrote:wtf

Thresh/maokai has been always god-tier

Hecarim is a must ban/pick now

They empirically did the worst in factions in the last several arcs. The lack of a conventional ADC really hurt them.

Iecerint · Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:53 pm

VROOM VROOM VROOM?

Cept Velkoz.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:18 am

I've been having issues recently where both League of Legends and Hearthstone will alt-tab out without any user input at seemingly-random times.

I've been talking to Riot Support about this for about the last week, and nothing seems to have fixed it. We've basically tried running League with more and more processes manually disabled while playing to see if that was what was causing the periodic issue.

I thought I'd post it here in case someone experienced something similar and found a fix. I've heard that just playing borderless windowed might be a workaround if I get desperate, but I never had the issue before maybe 2 weeks ago.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:21 am

I installed the Skype click to call thing, but removing that process didn't help. I ran an antivirus that rito recommended, but it didn't really find anything. Disabling firewall and MSE didn't change the behavior.

I'll try GI's tool next.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:21 am

By hearthstone I meant HotS.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:28 am

Also, the reason I got on this thread is that I went to see if my poster for this conference was printed, and I discovered that the poster printer guy was playing League. ^_^

Iecerint · Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:59 pm

Lord Jesus. The chance of me getting anything meaningful out of this is like. Nil.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:04 pm

Oh, one of them says Filter Hijack, though. I, uh. Guess I'll start there!

Pedit k:

Spoiler:

Iecerint · Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:07 pm

I already only have Microsoft programs open at start-up. Removing all extraneous auto-start programs and seeing if that fixes things is one of the first Rito troubleshooting steps.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:13 pm

So, I don't know what that means, but it sounds like I use Fix on these lines:

O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\Run: [Sidebar] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Sidebar\Sidebar.exe /autoRun (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\RunOnce: [mctadmin] C:\Windows\System32\mctadmin.exe (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-20\..\Run: [Sidebar] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Sidebar\Sidebar.exe /autoRun (User 'NETWORK SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-20\..\RunOnce: [mctadmin] C:\Windows\System32\mctadmin.exe (User 'NETWORK SERVICE')

Iecerint · Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:14 pm

OK bb.

See you again. ^_^

Iecerint · Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:14 pm

It sounds like I just remove those two O4s and not the others.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:22 pm

So, I think it didn't reappear? But the O23 stuff all reverted.

Spoiler:

Iecerint · Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:26 pm

Ryoukai!

Iecerint · Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:51 pm

I did an ARAM without issue, so I guess that was maybe it! ^_^

Thx senpai.

Iecerint · Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:46 am

Some of the skins are in sketchy territory. I was surprised they could do stuff like Yellow Jacket Shen without licensing Mortal Kombat, for example.

Iecerint · Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:00 am

Ryze is a cute bearded CEO.

Iecerint · Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:37 am

In post 40800, Oman wrote:
In post 40799, JasonWazza wrote:VIDEO GAMES ARE SEXIST, RACIST, ETC. NO ONE REALLY GIVES THIS MUCH OF A FUCK.

It's about ethics in video game journalism.

Iecerint · Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:14 pm

Learn a new champion. ^_^

Iecerint · Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:00 pm

Kaceytron was in rare form earlier today.

I hope she gets Bronze II.

Iecerint · Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:03 am

Samus is a woman!

With a vocoder

Iecerint · Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:13 am

One day out agender overlords will rule.

Iecerint · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:25 pm

League is alt-tabbing again. Maybe I just had a few lucky games.

I don't think Hijack this has any new sketchy stuff. I was actually looking for an excuse to invest in a new computer, since theoretically I lose this one in a few months when I get my PhD, so maybe I'll take that step before too long. I feel guilty playing with humans with the current issues. :/

Spoiler:

Iecerint · Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:43 pm

So pretty.

Iecerint · Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:25 pm

In post 40876, PJ. wrote:Anyway, I didn't come to post trash on why not to work for Riot.

Yo, can you guys pick a champ for me to master. First champ mentioned that I don't already play well will get the nod.

Olaf

Iecerint · Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:52 pm

Udyr jungle, Kalista ADC

Iecerint · Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:56 pm

Quinn!

Iecerint · Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:13 pm

In post 40904, animorpherv1 wrote:Jungle Zac?

Oh, this!

Iecerint · Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:14 pm

Zac seemed so utterly abysmal during Nemesis, so I'm super intrigued by Zac players.

Iecerint · Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:13 am

In post 40922, Voidedmafia wrote:Ryze re-work in PBE

I think these would be pretty major buffs to Ryze if they go through. I mean,
30% c/d
on a rank 3 ult (assumed 10%/20%/30% per rank) means that you just need lucidity boots or one 10% c/d item and the rest can be mana/AP/mpen. It seems like it's all about rewarding you for constantly and consistently getting off his spells.

The issue is that the mana-tank items he likes to buy already give CDR.

Iecerint · Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:06 pm

I really wish they let you fix side portraits. Seems like such an obvious thing.

Iecerint · Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:18 pm

In post 41037, dramonic wrote:Full AP + Lich Bane on a skill that doesn't scale off AP doesn't actually do more than Full AD + Triforce + 100% scaling + crit.

How much more?

Realistically it's easier for a mageplank build to go squishier because of the W scaling tho.

I don't play GP.

Iecerint · Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:36 pm

I don't see the point of Nashor's. The attack speed doesn't do much unless you go ham to a silly extent, and the extra scaling on Q is miniscule.

Liandries similarly not crazy about. I guess it could be nice with his ult, though.

Iecerint · Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:43 pm

That's not what we're talking about, though.

Iecerint · Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:28 pm

It's a decent difference, maybe 700 vs. 1200 for Q (counting about half of the crit damage).

It's probably smaller than it looks like if you factor in the difference in armor and magic resistance itemization, since the Lich Bane part of AP GP's Q is magic damage. Plus W and R, minus the awful feeling of E being mostly useless.

Iecerint · Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:33 pm

Ani's build is based on Luden, Zhonya, Deathcap, Void, Lichbane, Sorc.

Iecerint · Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:36 pm

But hiplop is in a different world where GP builds utility items and deals a bit less damage while having a point-and-click slow.

Iecerint · Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:27 pm

In post 41050, TheButtonmen wrote:1: Crit-plank is shit.
2: AP-plank is shit.

You clearly do not understand the point of our discussion.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:00 am

Ashe rework on PBE.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:03 am

I love it.

Her passive and Q are switched. Her Q active now gives attack speed and increases the strength of the slow on her passive. It has a bonus effect if you autoattack to get 5 stacks first. W does moar. E is now global and can store 2 charges, but loses its gold passive.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:22 am

She also loses her free crit, which I guess is what lets them put so much free utility into her slows.

I wish the effect of Focus were a little bit clearer. I guess her Q active also does bonus damage with the extra arrows, but it's unclear. Also, it's not clear if Focus's only effect is to buff her Q when it's maxed out, or if it has an effect on its own.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:43 am

Oh, I read her crit differently. I thought they just meant removal of the free crit, but you might be right.

Still, it's more like turning crit items into an AD deathcap for her. It's a constant multiplier instead of an RNG one. Though we don't have the numbers.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:52 pm

"Her auto attacks on targets that are affected by her passive are still considered 'crits', which means that the Frenzy mastery would work on them."

^_^

Iecerint · Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:25 pm

It does. It says that part in the description itself. The Frenzy was from the Q and A.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:59 pm

The sailor moon Lux skin is amazing.

Iecerint · Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:01 pm

I want sailor moon Diana tho.

Iecerint · Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:27 pm

I used to build Triforce + Cleaver on Hecarim, so I'm kinda bummed about that.

Iecerint · Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:13 pm

You should watch AP play Janna sometime.

Iecerint · Mon May 04, 2015 3:31 pm

PSYCHE WHAT IS YOUR NEIM.

Iecerint · Mon May 04, 2015 5:31 pm

CHEVRE COME BACK.

Iecerint · Mon May 04, 2015 5:31 pm

Chevre will you come back if Psyche plays with us.

Iecerint · Mon May 04, 2015 5:34 pm

Meaning playing against human opponents, or playing alongside people?

Iecerint · Tue May 05, 2015 11:45 am

I've never gotten a ban, but I did once have to type I AGREE NOT TO LEAVE GAMES after reloading into the game because it crashed during the load screen.

Iecerint · Tue May 05, 2015 12:49 pm

In post 41184, PJ. wrote:Also I'm leveling a smurf, losing a lot on purpose and I literally have only played with other smurfs. I haven't seen 1 new player yet....

I'm convinced nobody new plays this game.

I only get smurfs when I play on my smurf, but when I play with my friend who's just starting and his friends, I get mostly new players. The system just does a good job of noticing that you're a smurf.

Iecerint · Tue May 05, 2015 3:38 pm

Watching Psyche kill everyone while buying 2 crystalline flasks is pretty fun! ^_^

Iecerint · Tue May 05, 2015 10:56 pm

I meant it as a compliment. You were like 6/0/4 in lane.

Iecerint · Tue May 05, 2015 10:59 pm

The 2-for-1 rune page sale is live.

Iecerint · Tue May 05, 2015 11:22 pm

Maybe one with armor pen and one with magic pen.

Maybe some pages with some CDR.

Iecerint · Wed May 06, 2015 5:36 am

You'd use your armor penetration page for Hecarim, Urgot, and Zed.

You'd use your magic penetration page for Ryze, Zyra, and Heimerdinger. And maybe Sejuani.

You'd use your CDR page for manaless energyless AP champions, so...Vlad? I use mine for Vladimir. It used to be good for champions like Riven, but 20% Cleaver fills that gap on a lot of champions now.

Iecerint · Wed May 06, 2015 5:50 am

I think penetration ends up feeling like it has diminishing returns because it's most important on assassins who want to deal 100-0 damage to squishy targets. 15 armor to 0 armor lets you do this; 300 to 285 armor has no effect on what you can do.

In general penetration lets you do more damage to champions, but AD lets you do more damage to minions and monsters, since they don't have armor or mr anymore. The cutoff where penetration is better against champions is earlier than for most other rune types. The exact point where this happens depends on the stuff Jason said.

Iecerint · Wed May 06, 2015 5:52 am

You may also want a Yasuo page (crit chance reds become efficient on him). A crit damage page will probably be worthwhile on new Ashe being that her crit chance is 100%.

Iecerint · Wed May 06, 2015 7:09 am

In post 41218, PJ. wrote:AD pen runes are not good anymore. Like 3 years ago, they were the thing, they nerfed them, and they are not worth it anymore. Just go Flat AD. Every adc in the whole game basically wants ad reds, armor yellows, some kind of mr blues, and 2 AS quints with an AD quint(although most times I just go full ad Quints and it never really effects my performance).

All the top laners I can think of just want flat ad reds and flat ad quints. Some guys like 1 crit chance rune, but that's preference more than something that is needed.

Here are the rune pages that were used at Worlds last year. This was after the most recent summer rune rework. Note that this doesn't 100% apply anymore because CDR is differently accessible through itemization now.

Jayce and Zed used armor penetration reds. Hecarim and Urgot weren't played back then, but they use them now.

AS quints are more efficient than AD quints I think. I'm just basing this on comparing the flat red values to the quint values. However, some ADCs care about AS less than others, so the ideal solution is different for them.

Iecerint · Wed May 06, 2015 7:15 am

In post 41220, Psyche wrote:guys
this thing arises when i try to log in
"the login server did not respond", etc
and none of the online solutions seem to work
send help

Was this last night? The NA servers were briefly down.

Iecerint · Wed May 06, 2015 7:22 am

You may also want some scaling defense pages for solo lanes.

Iecerint · Wed May 06, 2015 8:08 am

Whoa, mastery points went live between patches! Yay!

I'm going to try to hit 6300 a second time while the 2-for-1 sale is in effect, so this will make it feel nice.

Iecerint · Wed May 06, 2015 8:51 am

I was going to ask why Riven was getting nerfed, but then I realized she suddenly had the second-highest winrate in toplane (after donger).

Iecerint · Wed May 06, 2015 9:09 am

My guess is that her winrate increase has been driven mainly by an increase in Vlad's popularity, since they're the two most common toplaners right now, and the most common and successful Riven players aren't building the new cleaver.

Iecerint · Wed May 06, 2015 10:52 am

Riven is Vladimir's worst match-up.

For example, in this patch with 2700 Plat+ matches analyzed, Vlad has a 40% win rate. A few other toplaners have lower winrates, but those matchups have far fewer games analyzed.

Iecerint · Wed May 06, 2015 11:14 am

I like this Vlad guide. I may switch to 6 flat CDR runes and Ionian's when I get some extra IP.

I think taking some scaling armor goes a long way, though, because of his ridiculous HP pool. The scaling HP seals are iffy despite the minimal interaction with his passive.

Iecerint · Wed May 06, 2015 5:37 pm

The claim is that rito has too many skins people and too few server stability solutions people, probably because the money comes from creating more skins.

I hope Ecco is neat.

Iecerint · Thu May 07, 2015 4:48 am

In post 41275, Gendaberry wrote:
In post 41272, Oman wrote:I've been playing heaps of ADC and I don't know how you guys fucking do it! You have to sit around and wait for the random yahoos that you play with to initiate or ward. Oh man, it's fucko. Fucko to the extreme.

Just start splitpushing a lot. There's no need to be with your team as adc if they aren't really doing anything. Just spend most of your time farming as hard as possible, and only group with your team if it looks like a fight is about to break out, or they need you for seiging.

This validates my splitpush MF (:X) strategies so much.

MF passive doing work.

Iecerint · Thu May 07, 2015 5:20 am

Yeah, I think I'm going to like Ashe a lot when her rework comes around.

Iecerint · Thu May 07, 2015 5:27 am

That she does. ^^

I'm just spoiled by MF. I like to go vroom vroom at level 1.

Iecerint · Thu May 07, 2015 5:44 am

He still does some of the stuff he used to do, but Vi probably does a lot of that niche more reliably.

Iecerint · Thu May 07, 2015 6:27 am

I really miss being able to pick Sejuani every game, being ridiculed for it in champ select, and then carrying with no actual effort.

Iecerint · Thu May 07, 2015 7:08 am

In post 41288, zoraster wrote:Also sort of nice not to understand what my teammates are saying.

^^

And yeah, playing on the west coast when visiting AP was AMAZING.

And Aaron would come visit me and get REALLY FRUSTRATED sometimes.

Iecerint · Thu May 07, 2015 8:00 am

Maybe if you only play Lucian and Graves.

Iecerint · Thu May 07, 2015 9:25 am

I'm really good at looking at the mini-map as support and jungle, but not great otherwise.

Iecerint · Thu May 07, 2015 10:16 am

In post 41319, Psyche wrote:
In post 41315, PJ. wrote:Brandi beat me to smartcasting. Bitch.

SEXIST PIG

i wish it were okay for me to use strategy before the game gets boring

By strategy he means knowing when to take objectives and things like that.

Until you climb a little, the average player won't know what's up, so even if you "know" the right play, you'll end up doing it alone and not realize it enough of the time that it'll really frustrate you.

Iecerint · Thu May 07, 2015 6:20 pm

I like watching bronzodia.

Iecerint · Fri May 08, 2015 10:17 am

How did the rework make her harder?

Iecerint · Fri May 08, 2015 10:18 am

Psyche's current game includes a hybrid Ashe and a Runaan's Hurricane Veigar.

Psyche has killed Sion about 12 times.

Iecerint · Fri May 08, 2015 12:42 pm

He's played a lot right now. You can do him top, mid, or jungle, though you probably won't jungle til level 20. He's more common top or mid.

He's extremely reliant on landing his knock-up, which usually allows you to get a bunch of free damage.

His strength is that he has great sustain and can deal lots of damage while being tanky. His weakness is that he's slow and has no mobility, so he can't reach you to do his damage unless he lands his skillshot or someone helps him.

Iecerint · Fri May 08, 2015 12:54 pm

You might want to err on the side of saving IP a little bit once you have a few champions you like. At level 20 you get access to runes, which you can only buy with IP. Runes are basically free stats.

You'll want 10K+ to fill the 2 rune pages you get by leveling I think.

You can get runes before level 20, but runes are organized into tiers that are categorically different from one another, and the highest tier is only available at 20.

Iecerint · Fri May 08, 2015 1:09 pm

The more popular supports are on the more expensive side. Soraka is 450 and Janna is 1350. I guess Taric is 1350, too.

There's almost always a free week champion for every position, so you shouldn't ever be without a reasonable option.

When I was leveling up I discovered that Kayle was really strong and I spammed her a lot, but then the pros figured it out, and Rito destroyed her. :[

Iecerint · Fri May 08, 2015 1:29 pm

Mages are generally good for bursting down a non-tanky member of the enemy team. They may also be good for doing long-range poke before a fight starts, making the eventual all-in engagement easier for your team. They may also have multiple crowd-control abilities, whereas fighters typically only have one and ADCs often have none.

ADCs and Fighters are more about sustained damage in general, since it's generally their autoattacks more than their abilities that do the damage.

There's enough variability in champions that some subvert aspects of these general trends. "Fighters" in particular are pretty varied and aren't a very coherent class IMO.

Iecerint · Fri May 08, 2015 3:35 pm

Nah, Sona is 3150.

I forgot Morgana, though. She's affordable and versatile.

Iecerint · Fri May 08, 2015 5:00 pm

The rumor is that Ecco is a sickly black boy raised in Piltover who uses time magic to keep from dying to his illness. It sounds like he's a utility midlaner.

Iecerint · Fri May 08, 2015 5:08 pm

I'm surprised no one's complained about chat being broken. I know it's lots of people.

Iecerint · Sat May 09, 2015 10:05 pm

Yay. ^_^

I had some meddling games as support, then ended up Diana mid somehow and killed everyone. It was gud.

Iecerint · Sun May 10, 2015 1:20 pm

OTP slash pairing confirmed.

Iecerint · Sun May 10, 2015 1:21 pm

Looks like Bro's boyfriend made him. ^_^

OP inc

Iecerint · Sun May 10, 2015 1:25 pm

We don't know the guy he's fighting or his boyfriend in the graffiti, right?

Iecerint · Sun May 10, 2015 3:27 pm

Some people are suggesting that it's the direction of the Urgot rework.

I fucking hope not.

Iecerint · Sun May 10, 2015 4:18 pm

Multiple people have said that, but it's kind of dumb because Urgot was remade by someone from Zaun. So, like. He's as much Zaun-linked as Noxus-linked.

If I have to explain to you why changing Urgot into Bane would be awful, I don't know what else I can do to show it to you.

People have suggested it was the Augmented Singed skin, though.

Iecerint · Sun May 10, 2015 10:16 pm

I have to post one.

The game before this one I was on a team with the Trundle, who insisted he go top, so I played ADC. We lost, and he was sassy.

So it felt so good to blad into him in the next game and crush them. ^_^

Iecerint · Sun May 10, 2015 10:17 pm

In post 41422, quadz08 wrote:dad singed?

Not just Dad singed. Gay Dad singed.

Iecerint · Mon May 11, 2015 7:56 am

In post 41435, quadz08 wrote:happy borfday

Also, Sona is free starting tomorrow, so try her out if you want to try supporting, by which I mean building full AP in botlane and killing everyone.

Iecerint · Mon May 11, 2015 8:35 am

Today's the last day of the rune page sale btw.

Iecerint · Mon May 11, 2015 8:54 am

I am anal retentive af.

Iecerint · Mon May 11, 2015 9:15 am

I have 16 now, and I can find a unique use for all of them. I don't have all the runes for two of those unique uses yet, though, and I don't have the champion for two of them, either.

I could imagine a Zyra page as one of the last 4 after that (same as my Ryze page, but with flat defenses). I could make a health-quint Leona support page for another (same as my Taric page, but with a health focus instead of armor). I could imagine a support and ADC page that both incorporate small amounts of mp5 to round out the 20.

I could imagine getting 6 flat CDR blues and using those on some pages instead of 3 scaling CDR blues (especially my Urgot page).

Iecerint · Tue May 12, 2015 10:42 am

I took my move speed quints off of my vlad page for awhile, but they're back now.

One extra QE set (or being able to kite away from the bruiser in lane) is worth it.

Iecerint · Tue May 12, 2015 2:12 pm

In post 41491, Psyche wrote:im so hooked i might buy a skin

Riot periodically has RP sales where they double the bonus RP when you buy RP. I usually wait until one of them and then spend $100, which gets you about a $20 value.

If you're really into getting value per RP out of skins, the best way is to buy skins when they're on sale. A new set of skins is on scale every 3 days or so. You can find what's on sale by filtering results in the store. The really nice skins (the ones that cost 1800 RP or more) never go on sale other than upon their initial release.

You can also use mystery gifting, which involves spending 490 RP to get a skin that is worth 520 or more. Teemo has a gazillion skins, so if you just have Teemo and Cho'Gath, your chances of getting something Teemo-related are pretty good.

Iecerint · Tue May 12, 2015 2:38 pm

I found this via facebook. My academic advisor knows the center that did the study and a few of the authors.

They compared high-elo (1900-2600 MMR) to low-elo (< 1200) players and found that various measures of insular connectivity were increased in the high-elo group.

Iecerint · Tue May 12, 2015 7:34 pm

Iecerint · Tue May 12, 2015 8:57 pm

He got to Diamond IV in S4 ya.

Iecerint · Tue May 12, 2015 8:58 pm

I don't think Dram was diamond last season, though.

Iecerint · Tue May 12, 2015 11:29 pm

Toplane Taric into Riven is hilarious.

Iecerint · Wed May 13, 2015 7:14 am

In post 41521, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 41520, FakeGod wrote:"have you met the elo hell devil?"

Kaceytron?

Kaceytron has gotten pretty solid at support Morgana at this point, at least relative to her peers.

She's at 75% winrate right now and was above 80% a few months ago with 50 games.

Someone made a funny thread about it on reddit awhile ago.

Also wowza she made Bronze II go Kaceytron go. i think some of those recent ones are from her duo with GoodGuyGary's smurf, though.

pedit omg checking reignofgaming

Iecerint · Wed May 13, 2015 7:21 am

Passive: Similar to Braum's passive, but slows and grants personal MS instead of stuns. Must stack it personally

Q: Ahri's Q, but pauses at max distance or if it hits a champions and makes a Lux slow field. Looks like only the projectile damages, on both paths

W: Zed's W passive is the passive, Viktor's W is the active, but it becomes both Diana's W and Viktor's W if he steps in it (lol)

E: Ezreal's E, but gets 1-shot of Kayle's E after moving, but it also doubles as a DOUBLE gapcloser and applies both spell effects and on-hit effects

R: Go back in time to earlier moment, deal tons of damage, heal slightly

Iecerint · Wed May 13, 2015 7:30 am

Gypsylord's little write-up is super cute. ^_^

It sounds like the intended balance is that his scaling is poor and he's squishy and mana-hungry.

I wonder what will keep him from being a support, especially in a meta where lots of junglers can provide initiation.

Iecerint · Wed May 13, 2015 7:31 am

He probably has to get a little ahead during lane to feel impactful, though, and he'd be a really all-in champion in botlane, so meh, probably not.

Iecerint · Wed May 13, 2015 7:32 am

His character model is kinda ugly. I hope the animations make it look better.

Iecerint · Wed May 13, 2015 7:43 am

I was kinda hoping he would keep the charcoal skin from the trailer.

Iecerint · Wed May 13, 2015 10:32 am

In post 41542, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I don't understand why they keep buffing Renekton wanting him to be super viable when he's not even bad right now.

He's great with new cleaver ya.

But his old identity as "must get fed to carry" is kinda gone.

Iecerint · Wed May 13, 2015 10:59 am

The typically have one new champion per patch, and it's a reworked champion 2/3s of the tim.

We'll have Ekko next patch, and probably Poppy the patch after that.

Iecerint · Wed May 13, 2015 11:00 am

I need math on crit damage/chance runes for Ashe.