League of Legends (Old)

[Papa Zito]

a bunch of shit

Sorry every teamfight after 15-20m was lost before it started we were down so much gold.

That loss = not my fault. Like I said, I could play better, but don't pin that loss on me.

The only fed player on the enemy team at 15-20m was the Darius. Let's break this down real quick:
- Darius is one of the most easily kited champs in the game. Mundo's slow from his cleaver is an excellent tool for peeling. That means you could have easily kited the Darius for your team but failed to do so.
- As I noted, the Darius was building pure glass cannon. This fact, plus his lack of escape, plus his inability to gapclose, plus the fact that he's the only fed thing on the enemy team, suggests he should be the priority target. I never saw you ping him once. Did you ever suggest to your team that he is the primary target? I think not.
- I also noted that you never used your FotM active or your Exhaust spell. Exhaust works excellently on Darius both as a way to keep him off your carries and to negate the burst damage he does (especially when building glass cannon!) You failed to use either of these actives on Darius' or his target.

You are just as culpable as anyone else on that team for the reasons I stated in my post and probably plenty I missed. Your attitude suggests you won't improve. Enjoy bronze!

[Papa Zito]

By request, for ani.


NOTES

00:00 - Game start. Playing support annie, flash exhaust. Exhaust good for enemy Jax
00:45 - Charged stun in fountain. Left without green ward
01:45 - Good tribush ward for late invade
02:10 - Leashed too long, lost lane xp
03:00 - No autos on enemy laners, no bush control
04:00 - attempted trade with enemy Jinx in enemy creepwave
04:30 - Didn't set up creeps for allied Ashe under tower
05:00 - Slow reaction to allied Udyr gank
05:45 - No pressure, no autos.
06:20 - Excellent initiation on enemy Soraka w/ allied Udyr, got kill. Immediately ran afterwards instead of helping Udyr continue to fight enemy Jinx
07:00 - Sightstone buy, swap to sweeping lens
08:00 - lack of lane presence, playing behind AD
08:25 - river ward but no bush ward
09:00 - Good engage with level 6 - level 5 advantage. Should have pinged allied Ashe who was slow to react. Good flash to secure Soraka kill
11:00 - Good engage with stun/ult + Exhaust follow up - Ashe gets doublekill + bot outer tower + dragon
12:30 - No river ward, Ashe gets caught and killed (Annie had backed)
13:30 - Engage on half-health Jinx, again without ping, allied Zed didn't react, no kill
14:00 - Good stun on enemy Soraka under tower, gets kill for Ashe
14:40 - backs while allied Ashe engages enemy Jinx
15:00 - way too early Ruby sightstone purchase
15:30 - Excellent stun/ult engage gets Annie doublekill + bot inner tower
16:00 - unnecessary flash from WArwick post-ult

(score note: Ashe 4/1/3, Annie 3/0/4)

17:30 - Good double stun on Jinx/Soraka, poor bear control afterwards
18:00 - Roams mid, bad engage (extremely low health), dies to enemy Malzahar
19:00 - Excellent chase top, gets kill against enemy Jax
19:30 - good bear use to get damage on top outer tower
19:45 - good sweeper for wards topside
20:00 - bad engage topside between enemy towers (????) with 0 topside vision. Distraction, however, nets bot inhib tower
21:00 - Excellent engage on overextended enemy warwick & malzahar + flash to get 2nd kill; also nets mid outer tower
22:00 - wasted time wandering the map; 0 wards placed
22:30 - unnecessarily guarding inner mid tower
22:45 - Overextends mid, gets caught & dies
23:30 - Good tower defense top vs Jax
24:00 - Doesn't charge stun during mid chase
24:30 - Good Talisman engage on overextended enemy mid push
25:40 - Poor engage on enemy Jax but defends open mid inhib
26:00 - lack of vision allows enemy Jax backdoor mid inhib
26:45 - Good defensive ult/stun on 4 enemies (but dies anyway)
27:40 - elects to clear ward in front of base towers instead of helping team fight at mid inhib
28:20 - Cancels enemy Warwick ult with good stun, gets the kill
28:50 - Goes to wolves, ignoring allied Udyr engage mid
29:00 - Caught mid while allied Udyr attempts retreat
30:00 - Missed possible engage on out of position enemy Jinx
30:30 - Good followup on allied Udyr engage at mid inhib
31:00 - 0 wards placed
31:30 - lack of vision gives free enemy baron
31:45 - Catches enemy Warwick under tower for free kill
32:00 - stays too long, forced to flash
32:15 - fails to use Talisman active to help team escape, 3 die, mid inhib lost
33:00 - Game over


General tips:
1. You need to be more of a presence in lane. Annie's autoattack range and the threat of her stun/burst should allow you to make the enemy laners lives very uncomfortable. This is true for most supports - find their strengths and play to them. As dominant as your laning phase was, it could have been even stronger if you'd been zoning the enemy.
2. Look up some warding guides, your warding this game was rather weak. Vision is extremely powerful in league.
3. You looked lost midgame. League of Legends is about objectives, so your movements should either be toward defending them, warding them, or taking them. When in doubt, glance at the minimap and see what's available, where the visible enemy is positioned (vision!) and where the creepwaves are.


I really liked your engages and your skirmish decision-making. I think your instincts are good and with more experience you'll be a really good player.

[Papa Zito]

Zito how do i record matches? I'd love to get your thoughts on one of mine

I was spectating those live.

[Papa Zito]

By request, for Maestro:

NOTES

00:00 - Game start, Thresh with ignite/flash
00:40 - Dorans shield, 1 ward, red trinket. Slow buy
01:20 - dangerous approach to enemy tribush
01:55 - no help on leash
02:00 - Q start
03:00 - 1v1 trade, no exhaust used (could have been 1v0)
04:00 - no river ward
04:40 - Good hook, missed flay
05:00 - Hooked/flayed enemy Volibear into allied Sivir
05:30 - Sitting in enemy tribush, allows aggression on allied Sivir with no possible response
06:00 - Good hook/flay on enemy Twitch, gets kill for allied Sivir
06:30 - Good hook/flay on enemy Volibear, gets kill
07:00 - Not pushing wave
07:15 - poor hook attempt on enemy Twitch
07:20 - Doesn't return to base w/ Sivir
07:30 - Lack of vision misses incomimg Khazix through tribush, forced to flash
08:45 - Bad engage on enemy Volibear, in enemy creep wave, with 1500 gold in pocket - death for Thresh
09:30 - Finally buys (sightstone, boots), heads to lane
10:30 - Good hook on low-health Volibear, free kill
11:00 - Pink in river bush, enemy tri warded, botside midlane bush warded
11:40 - Sitting in enemy tribush allows aggression on allied Sivir with no possible response; missed flay/hook on enemy Kha'zix
12:00 - Good hook/flay on enemy Twitch but late Box allows Twitch to escape; fails to Exhaust Twitch or Volibear; chases the Twitch, abandons allied Sivir to her death
13:00 - Attempts to hook too-far enemy Twitch instead of out-of-position enemy Volibear, both escape
13:50 - No pressure on enemy Twitch farming under tower
14:45 - Shoving wave, good
15:00 - Hooked & flayed enemy Volibear, allowed flip into tower; late Exhaust, no ult; died + lost bot outer tower
15:45 - slow buy again
16:20 - nice attempted flash/hook
16:45 - No ult in midlane fight
17:45 - good ward near enemy wraiths; good clear in dragon pit
18:30 - Poor engage on enemy Kha'zix without allied Sivir support; No Exhaust; dies

(note: Thresh (1/5/4) is now 2 levels behind all other champs; enemy Twitch is now 8/2/0 - should not be engaging)

20:20 - Good hook to keep Volibear out of fight
20:40 - Poor re-engage on an already lost fight
21:50 - Wasted detour to nonpressured toplane
22:10 - Good deep warding topside midlane
22:15 - Extremely poor engage attempt on enemy Shyvana under enemy midturret; flash forced; dies to enemy Volibear anyway
23:30 - Missed flay but good hook keeps enemy towerdiving Volibear under tower, gets kill
23:45 - No attempt at cs under tower
24:00 - Vision is limited to a single corridor on map: bush NW of enemy mid outer tower, midlane topside bush, allied wraith area, baron pit. All other area of map dark
24:45 - overextends on Kha'zix chase but isn't punished
25:00 - Exhaust super late when allied Sivir is engaged on mid
26:45 - out of position hiding in far midlane botside bush
27:00 - Indecision - enemy attacking outer midlane tower and dragon simultaneously but stays in bush
27:30 - Good hook/talisman engage mid, enemy team aced; 2 mid towers taken; top outer tower taken
28:30 - Good hook/flay but slow box allows enemy Kha'zix to escape
29:00 - 0 wards placed
30:00 - bad talisman use, no enemy in area
30:30 - lost? moves from top to mid, circling in midlane
31:00 - Caught but good talisman use to escape enemy Volibear charge
31:50 - Poor ward mid corridor botside
32:30 - Bad pathing to join fight; no ability use in botlane fight, just chases?
34:00 - Abandons allied Kassadin to chase enemy Twitch
34:20 - attempts 2v1 against enemy Twitch/Volibear; no Exhaust or ult use; ult used far too late as failed escape; lost dragon
36:00 - 0 wards placed
36:25 - Baron attempt, no wards placed to watch for incoming enemy champions; no sweep of baron pit
37:10 - Midlane push (with baron) has no sideward support for ambushes
37:20 - Missed enemy Kha'zix and Volibear closing from behind mid inhib tower siege; no ult, Randuins or Exhaust used; allied Sivir dies
38:10 - Attempts to tank tower at low health with no minions nearby against enemy Shyvana/Jax (????); dies
39:30 - Unnecessary botlane push with allied Pantheon already there
40:00 - 0 wards placed
40:15 - Unnecessary flash from enemy Jax with hook/flay/ult up and allied Shyvana moving to assist
41:15 - Late box/no Exhaust/no Talisman or Randuin's
41:30 - See above
43:40 - Too slow reaction to engage on allied Sivir by enemy Jax
43:55 - No use of any actives, ignores enemy Twitch; dies
45:10 - Game over


General tips:
1. Be careful who you engage on, and how. Hooking in a champion like Volibear who can counter-engage on you is a poor choice unless said champion is low on health or other resources
2. Keep in mind what "tools" you have available at all times. "Tools" include abilities, items with actives, and summoner spells. Don't be afraid to use them.
3. Vision was lost once laning phase was over. Remember to keep vision up at key points on the map at all times. There were several opportunities when you were moving about the map and could have dropped a ward but didn't.

ani, anything for me?

same goes for the papa

Sorry, I was purely watching Maestro.

[Papa Zito]

Always start E for thresh unless you're going for level 1 3 man cheese or you catch someone in pre-laning phase. What are you gonna do if you hook an enemy? Nothing till level 2, flay's autos makes it better for harassing imo.

This is what my "Q start" note meant, I forgot to expand on that one. Thanks.

[Papa Zito]

plz with the endgame screenshots

[Papa Zito]

Ideally you would hit the Ez to bait the heal/armor buff, THEN kill the Soraka.

[Papa Zito]

The nerf to his taunt hurts.

[Papa Zito]

Jason wtf are you talking about

I mean honestly

[Papa Zito]

dat split push

[Papa Zito]

4.2 patch notes

Also they added a static data API, bluhhhhhh more work

[Papa Zito]

I got sapo to install this.

why would you do that to her

[Papa Zito]

I will never be good at this fucking game.

It's a hard game with a lot to learn

[Papa Zito]

That's not very many games. What did you place at?

[Papa Zito]

I'd love to watch you play Teemo against a Riven chesskid

[Papa Zito]

oh my jesus g

[Papa Zito]

Nunu Bot
Brolaf
Gentleman Cho'Gath
Corporate Mundo
Nurse Akali >_>

[Papa Zito]

Nunu Bot laugh has won me games

[Papa Zito]

I just like comparing page counts with the DOTA thread now and then

[Papa Zito]

2/0/3 in my second support Taric game.

Why the fuck was i worried about playing ranked?

I still expected a challenge, those 2 games were sort of won by themselves without me doing all that much, though i kinda wish i had have gone for the 2/0/4 but i thought zoning Malphite out of the Ashe and Tristana who were getting fucked on was a better strategy.

Carry the game harder then

OMFG WHY THE FUCK WAS KHA ZAX NOT BANNED ERGH.

Fucking dumb person we got to take our number one spot, uses first ban on Vel' Koz.

Also now i quite literally understand how most games are won in champion select.... fucking stupid

[Papa Zito]

The fuck is Vi doing with a Trinity Force

tons of damage

[Papa Zito]

This thread makes my head hurt now

[Papa Zito]

People actually use locked camera?

What?

Pro level players use locked camera during fights so they don't have to move their mouse to reposition the camera

[Papa Zito]

How many champions do you have guys?

all of them

[Papa Zito]

The amount of bronze advice in the thread is

[Papa Zito]

1v1 him bro

[Papa Zito]

Dig vs EG was an incredible game, highly recommended to go back and watch once vods are available.

[Papa Zito]

AD Malzahar is where it's at guys.

so many voidlings

[Papa Zito]

I don't get why you call brandi awful when she's about as good as me, if not a little better.

My input: it's all relative. Relatively, chess is pretty bad compared to most players. Relatively, saki is pretty bad compared to me, and I'm pretty bad compared to diamonds, who are pretty bad compared to higher ranked diamonds / challengers, and so on.

Perspective triumphs.

Isn't this what panzer said o_O

[Papa Zito]

It's a VOIP program that autodetects other Curse Voice users on your team and allows you to have an anonymous voice chat with them during the game.

More controversially it automatically keeps ult, dragon and baron timers.

[Papa Zito]

xpecial benched

I'm returning my keychain

[Papa Zito]

powerspike mallet op

[Papa Zito]

You are just as culpable as anyone else on that team for the reasons I stated in my post and probably plenty I missed. Your attitude suggests you won't improve. Enjoy bronze!

It's still happeningggggg

[Papa Zito]

What changed about Twitch to make him so strong?

[Papa Zito]

What changed about Twitch to make him so strong?

Sneaky Sneaky

He's always been sneaky sneaky tho

[Papa Zito]

Tier lists assume equal skill between opposing players. Some champs are currently stronger than others. Nothing wrong with admitting that.

It would probably be more helpful if they were broken down a bit more like Stonewall does with his jungle tier lists. You could list things like range, escapability, waveclear, etc.

[Papa Zito]

Cait can net over walls

gg

[Papa Zito]

They're people, but they're also people who are all very good at the game (all better than me).

So it feels weird when I see mistakes that seem really obvious.

There are plenty of armchair quarterbacks who feel the same way.

[Papa Zito]

Except your opinion is validated when one of Supa Hot Crew's coaches is pointing out a lot of the stuff you're seeing.

Will you sign my mousepad?

[Papa Zito]

Got placed in Bronze V to start the season after some poor games and poor luck in my first ten of this season, made it up to a promo series to Bronze II but lost, and have been fluctuating in the Bronze III-IV range ever since. Recently demoted to Bronze IV after a horrible losing streak (7 games in a row and counting) .

Welcoming champion suggestions!

There's no one champ that will get you out of Bronze. Likewise, there is no one build that will get you elo. There are no magic bullets in this game. One of the biggest myths I've seen in my climb is the thinking that if some player could just get that ONE perfect build, that ONE perfect champ, then everything will be gravy and it's Diamond time! Riot has done a fantastic job of making sure this never happens. If you want to get back to Silver record your games via your favorite method and then watch them. Note your mistakes and don't do those again. Watch a few pro streams and note how they position, the decisions they make, their item choices and warding patterns. (suggest you look for Geranimo type streamers vs Dyrus type streamers)

gl hf dd

[Papa Zito]

Yeah, I'm not looking for a get-elo-quick magic bullet in asking for champion suggestions, just asking for tips on who's worth learning to play well and either fits well with the playstyle I already have (for example learning Syndra for her similarities to Ziggs) or fills gaps I need filled (I don't really play any early-game junglers and should probably learn one). Finding champs who are on the strong side is useful too.

I'm not seeing a huge difference in what I said and what you're saying.

Find champs you enjoy playing and stick with them. It doesn't matter how "OP" they are, your own skills, game knowledge and twitch reactions are much more important. Also fun fact: champs rise and fall in popularity, so even if you pick one or more who are currently not in vogue (aka "OP") chances are they will be at some point.

Any suggestions for good streamers for learning to ward better, especially as ADC and mid?

Specifically for warding? You'll probably want to watch a support streamer, like Krepo or Eroticles. They don't always get the role they want so you'll sometimes see them play

adc

marksman or mid as well.

[Papa Zito]

The one warding challenge/trap I run into is how to ward when no one else is warding and you are playing defensively. You can't run out and ward baron when you don't have at least some vision cover and/or an entourage, but I sometimes convince myself that I can do it safely after I see 2 in bottom lane or whatever, but then I get caught on occasion.

I have to get used to either encouraging others to help ward our own jungle at those times, or else requesting an escort in those situations.

If you're absolutely not getting any warding help then get a blue trinket to scout ahead.

[Papa Zito]

When I play Zyra support I almost always do the most damage to champs on my team by the end of the game.

I also almost always have the highest number of deaths.

So that's where Zyra is right now.

[Papa Zito]

The bots don't juke

this isn't true

[Papa Zito]

they

reduced

her base HP?

monsters

She's downgraded from cannon minion to melee minion now.

[Papa Zito]

Can I just say I hate the bae thing with a passion.

[Papa Zito]

Semi-league related, but if anyone missed qtpie playing outlast yesterday, it was literally gold.

http://www.twitch.tv/imaqtpie/b/556830397

Yes it was amazing 10/10

[Papa Zito]

A tier between Diamond 1 and Challenger has been needed for a while.

[Papa Zito]

I so, so want Gnar to be a viable support, and I think he might be.

[Papa Zito]

Mobility makes the game more fun to watch!

[Papa Zito]

I don't think he's AWFUL in the jungle, but he has the same weaknesses as Shyvana... no hard CC

He has 2 forms of hard CC in his mega form.


Nightblue declared him top 3 jungler earlier and is eager to test him at high elo.

[Papa Zito]

Yeah but how often are you going to be near mega form to gank with? There are other D1 junglers that are calling him "only OK".

From what I saw, since you're constantly using his abilities and autos to farm the jungle, it's about every 2-3 camps. It reminded me of Rengar - you build up his rage bar (or whatever it is) to 85-90%, then use boomerang and bounce when ganking, which flips you to mega form, then you have the hard cc available.

I wouldn't doubt other junglers are calling him only OK. I also wouldn't doubt yet other junglers are calling him trash. That's the fun thing about opinions. I was just presenting an opposing viewpoint since this thread tends to groupthink pretty hard.

6 out 7 of Gnars abilities cause some sort of CC. It's ridiculous, and so is his strength, I wouldn't be surprised if that makes him a good jungler and top.

I feel like his chase potential is completely unrivaled.

Dipping back into the Nightblue well, he was building completely tank - Ancient Golem, Sunfire, Randuin's, Spirit Visage, etc. He consistently first or second in damage to champs on his team. That's a little broken.

[Papa Zito]

I see the backstab - Q - shiv - IE synergy. That makes sense to me.

Hydra doesn't have a special synergy with Shaco.

So why hydra over IE?

They're probably assuming you want to take advantage of Shaco's amazing splitpushing power.

[Papa Zito]

I've played been random matchmade with several scummers in ranked(both on the same team and against them), I have never seen a scummer win a ranked game.

What happened to games when you were playing vs a scummer?

Nobody wins, man.

Nobody wins.

[Papa Zito]

why are we doing the endgame screenshot thing again

[Papa Zito]

Where's my coach


Also you guys are making this factions thing sound organized. I thought it was just something you picked for inhouse funtimes?

[Papa Zito]

He seems like a weird yorick/orianna hybrid.

The coolest thing is he can take towers from over walls.

[Papa Zito]

This guy is basically a monkey fucking a cocunut.

lol

[Papa Zito]

have dram cast it pls

[Papa Zito]

he made the point that he couldn't post in this thread himself, why is it wrong to communicate this way? If it being public was his concern, this solves it. I didn't PM him to begin with because I didn't think it would be that huge of an issue to just say "hey don't talk to my friend like an ass plz".

He's banned from posting in GD. You're posting for him, in effect helping him evade his ban.

[Papa Zito]

Talking about a guy when he can't respond to you is also a pretty douchy thing to do.

[Papa Zito]

@Maestro: Zito meant Saki.

Correct, sorry for the confusion.

I don't see what changes when he can't talk.

That's unfortunate.

[Papa Zito]

Zito!

Thanks so much for pointing me to yorick. the champ's hella fun

First champ I ever bought!

I've always found him really fun. His big weakness (like any melee hero without a gapcloser) is he gets kited to hell and back lategame. Especially nowadays when everybody and their dog has some kind of blinky power.

Fun fact - he destroys a LOT of things that like to live in midlane. Enemy chose Kassadin? Counterpick Yorick and wreck their shit! A Kassadin with no items is completely useless, yay!

[Papa Zito]

And after one game of lulu, i am now adding her to my ranked list for mid lane (there are unavoidable times of getting mid sadly), what matchups are bad for her in mid?

Lulu has issues with range.

[Papa Zito]

I'll add to the "i'm losing a lot of games" thing by saying I don't know where my MMR is right now. I'm in bronze 2, at 0LP. If I lose, nothing happens, if I win, I get 26 LP.

Crazy.

Take your latest ranked game and average your opponents' ratings. That'll give you a good idea where you are.

[Papa Zito]

SION REWORK

That's not Darius?


I enjoy laning against Jannas who constantly blow their cooldowns and small mana pools.

[Papa Zito]

Oh.

Apparently I've had edit powers this entire time.

haha

I changed the OP. Fuck the police.

[Papa Zito]

The difference between zoraster and I is idgaf

[Papa Zito]

I'm sure it was that, and only that, that caused your loss.

[Papa Zito]

Also totally off-topic but of way more importance to me- anyone have a line on a decently cheap headset/mic that doesn't wear/sound/feel like absolute shit?

Why not get a free-standing condenser mic?

[Papa Zito]

...

I want to apologize for being so whiny. Having thought silently about it for a few minutes (lol), I realized that I was just posting here to garner pity and maybe even a little hope that someone would be stereotypically LoL mean and poke fun at my screenshot. I know, pretty terrible.

Don't worry, most of us have gone through the screenshot phase of our career.

[Papa Zito]

I don't know anything about LoL.

But it seems like RayFrost and Saki are God/Jesus and the rest of you are basically the disciples, like Thaddeus.

Is this an apt summary?

no


I miss 5s.

[Papa Zito]

I main Jungle/Mid nowadays but I don't know if i'd play 100% to the caliber you guys might need. What is the skilllevel here?

We are a veritable rainbow of skill levels.


Maybe try slotting me at jungle and shifting people around again, see if people enjoy that better.

[Papa Zito]

so much lies and slander ITT

[Papa Zito]

Am I the only one to think new Soraka's really bullshit and needs toning down? The Q seems way too easy to hit, even at mid range. Which means free (and infinite) healing for everyone.

I don't feel this way about Soraka at all.

[Papa Zito]

All of this stuff is gonna change, I wouldn't get too worked up about any of it yet.

[Papa Zito]

I've posted this video before and it's from a year ago (I've improved a lot since then x-x), but here is an example of where I mostly just E my adc or E the enemy to get bush vision.

Spoiler:

this fucking video

[Papa Zito]

See guys, I'm totally rehabilitated, I haven't said anything mean.

But you were thinking it.

[Papa Zito]

Some individual who possibly has a "significant discrepancy between their intellectual and social abilities" did a complete rework and writeup of the league characters and posted it online. Please note I am not disparaging this person or any persons or their possible conditions or afflictions, be they actual, imagined, self-diagnosed, or entirely fictional.

sounds legit

[Papa Zito]

Twitch doesn't automatically save broadcasts anymore. You have to enable that in settings. Even then, it'll only save for two weeks.

I agree with all of Oman's points, and would just add that the camera was extremely jarring at times.

[Papa Zito]

I did notice the difference, but often times during fights the camera would revert back to Jar Mode.

[Papa Zito]

best route:
get red, gank mid, get blue, gank mid, do stuff, gank mid.

Best route: Lily > Hanako = Emi > Rin >>>Shizuka

I'm so upset that I know what this means







fuck

[Papa Zito]

Rin was a useless dipshit.

[Papa Zito]

Kalista's a support guys

[Papa Zito]

I know man

I know

[Papa Zito]

But if you're soul-linking with your ADC your ult is sort of throwing your main damage source as a freebie to the enemy, so you'd have to use it pretty much entirely as an escape? I mean don't get me wrong I think she'd be a fun champ to add to my pool of supports, but

Your ult also makes the ADC untargetable and grants them a dash. Their spells are disabled sure but ADCs are supposed to be rightclicking people anyway. (Note - wouldn't pair her with an Ezreal, Vayne or Corki)

@Zor - I don't follow your reasoning.

[Papa Zito]

We'll have to wait and see but I was under the impression that right clicking would cancel the untargetable aspect a la fiddlesticks flashing before channel completes.

If that's true then it'd be significantly less interesting. :/

Also nobody says you can't build AD on her from a support role Zor.

[Papa Zito]

Btw, if I'm playing Malphite, is Randuin's, Iceborn, Frozen Heart, Sunfire, Banshee's, Tabi an alright build, or what should I put in instead?

Fuck no, you want 6 RoAs.

[Papa Zito]

Liandry's seems like it'd be passable because she applies a slow so easily.

whyyyyy would you do this

[Papa Zito]

you gotta control the spice
to control the universe

[Papa Zito]

Dram are you streaming in 640x480 or something? I just nostalgia'd really hard.

[Papa Zito]

Well whatever the number is you've got hardcore black bars on the side. Allow me to demonstrate:

[Papa Zito]

pyramid or pyramid?

[Papa Zito]

That was such a great pyramid quote opportunity and you guys I swear.

[Papa Zito]

Scopey baby

Listen man

You don't improve by playing against inferior competition. You sink to their level.
You don't improve by playing against equal competition. You stagnate.
You improve by playing against superior competition. Treat this as a great learning opportunity. Expect to lose the game so there's no pressure. See what they're doing and figure out why. Record a game or two and watch it again. Pay attention to smaller details like positioning and stuff.

Don't worry, if your MMR is reaaaaaaaally too high it'll reset itself but until that happens try to take this golden opportunity to improve your play so that if it does reset you'll suddenly be smashing your competition.



OR just take a vacation from the game for a while!

[Papa Zito]

I honestly don't play to get better. It's the reason I don't play ranked a whole lot. I think the game in general is cool and fun and I just wanna enjoy myself playing almost all champions in all roles. I'm okay with losing a few then winning again, because I play champs in crazy roles. But if I'm facing like a plat 5 Zed that's tryharding on kills, while I'm playing something random, it's just a bit meh for me. And I'll deal with that in my own way but having these games 10 times in a row is just demotivating.

That game that I finally won was against someone who is 6 divisions higher then me (I'm S2, he's G1) and I honestly don't mind that because I'm confident in my abilities to at least go even or not feed in these situations, and then improve from there. But it isn't really my goal to eventually be Diamond 1. So unlike some people, I actually do enjoy smashing a Bronze 5 if I'm facing one? I know it's lame but if I get to play like Galio top and manage to carry I still think it's as fun as going even against a G1/

I think you'd enjoy normal games with 3-4 friends far more than ranked in this case!

[Papa Zito]

This guy is basically a monkey fucking a cocunut.

I'm glad you quoted this. Still my favorite quote in the thread.

[Papa Zito]

I watched this happen he so totally did it on purpose.

[Papa Zito]

free elo

this doesn't exist

[Papa Zito]

Alien Invader Heimer!

[Papa Zito]

I think I'm going to stop playing league until after my US trip. Just...these fucking games. These fucking kids. I'm so sick of people being ragey.


Maybe just mute my team on game start?

Turning off allchat and muting your team will improve your enjoyment of the game immensely.

Also keep in mind that Silver V is far worse in terms of gameplay ability than Bronze I so you have a slog ahead of you. It's best to always pick something you can carry a game with, and then do so, until you break out. Silver V is by far the worst, most toxic division in League.

[Papa Zito]

Bronze Shen who has his ult disabled.

This is basically already the case.

[Papa Zito]

you guys playing placements today (or even this week) are insane

[Papa Zito]

why did people start wearing bell-bottom jeans again

[Papa Zito]

Has nothing to do with pubster attitude. It legitimately has to do with mixing up the damage in what I feel is an ideal team comp. In an ideal team comp (or at least what I believe one to be) You have a tank either at jungle or top lane that can initiate, an AP burster, A bruisery guy that can fight the carry and follow up on the tanky initiator, A sustained Damage AD, and a support who can peel and/or set up picks. Can Zyra do that? sure. Do players typically play her that way? not in my experience(which pretty much means Bronze 5 to Gold 1 which encompasses the skill level of 90% or so of all league players). I don't want an auxiliary AP carry, I want a guy who sole job is to protect the carry and provide CC. Most times someone in the mid to low skill brackets has a mage support they end up 0/3/assists with one less item than the enemy AD with the enemy team stacking MR and not enough damage to punish til it's too late.

Is zyra fine? Yes. I believe she is niche, like all mage supports. If I have an AD mid and jungler and my top AP isn't an outright carry, than sure bring in the auxiliary AP. Any situation really where you don't have enough AP damage, than yeah bring in the mage support. But if you have a functional AP carry, give me someone that's a tank or a has way more utility.If I end up with a mage support, I almost always pick a carry that has an escape and play passively.

We would never work.

[Papa Zito]

Every time I play him, I wish I had picked Malphite instead.

O___O

[Papa Zito]

and now the climb

gl hf dd

[Papa Zito]

what do you main ani

[Papa Zito]

arrite in that case I probably can't help you too much

[Papa Zito]

this goddamn aspect ratio I swear to god

[Papa Zito]

lord have mercy this thread

[Papa Zito]

Support velkoz is my main mang

[Papa Zito]

This is not an inhouse.

[Papa Zito]

ayyyyy this fucko is back

[Papa Zito]

It's you isn't it.

[Papa Zito]

Old Sion's voice was infinitely better

[Papa Zito]

I hold it as a high achievement that I penta'd Panzer once, three years ago.

lol

[Papa Zito]

I'd duo with you panzer but you're too low elo :3

[Papa Zito]

grats ani

[Papa Zito]

that sounds like my kind of game

[Papa Zito]

Saw it once in Bronze II wasnt bad.

i can't

[Papa Zito]

PSA:

Don't build hurricane first on Kalista. TIA.

[Papa Zito]

They just need to make Flash a standard summoner spell like Recall. That would fix so much.

HIRE ME RIOT I FIX UR PROBLEMS OK

[Papa Zito]

Nasus doesn't win and he doesn't lose. Until 50 minutes, then he wins.

[Papa Zito]

Dude don't waste your time with Bard he's useless. Pick up Velkoz, learn geometry, and do the most damage on your team ez

[Papa Zito]

Oh man, it's fucko. Fucko to the extreme.

the hell?

[Papa Zito]

i also learned that experienced players are quitters

and don't say happy birthday

lol

[Papa Zito]

Bard sucks don't play him.

Until he goes through 2-3 more buff cycles I guess.

[Papa Zito]

IMO

Ekko is massively overtuned right now. Needs srs nerfs.

He's kinda like Akali but with crazy waveclear. yeah

[Papa Zito]

IMO

Ekko is massively overtuned right now. Needs srs nerfs.

Excluding Bard, I can't remember the last time a champion was released in any kind of balanced state.

This made me laugh so hard.

me too

When I said Bard I was referencing him being undertuned. A better sentence would have ended "was released in a not insanely OP state".

oh


I don't think it's really reasonable to expect Riot to release champions that are completely balanced given how many champs already exist at this point + how even minor changes to items can throw things out of whack + how meta shifts can affect who is being played at any given point and how.

What I'm trying to say is (AGAIN IMO) Ekko as he exists on PBE is outside a 'normal' under-to-overpowered range you'd expect a champion to be in upon release and would dominate his competition assuming similar skill levels.

[Papa Zito]

If I practice ADCing with high gold/low plat players, people get angry when it's apparent that I'm outclassed. It's not fun to feel like you ruined others' game.

I highly recommend the ignore feature.

[Papa Zito]

So question, on my malz mid, is it more worth having Magic pen Red's or AD Reds?

Runes are p much for early game.

Which one helps your early game more.

Do that one.

[Papa Zito]

I personally think it's the same concentration of rudeness. I personally find silver to be the most toxic. Bronze and low gold are decent levels of toxicity, after that I think it gets nicer until the tier barriers.

Plat is the most toxic in the game.

The one definitive thing that is less toxic is the highest level players. Before guys like hotshot gg could say whatever, now because of streams spotlights and lcs, they are much more well behaved.

I disagree.

[Papa Zito]

Everyone in plat "deserves" to be in diamond. If you get my drift.

I've watched enough D1+ streams to know that toxicity is alive and well in the upper tiers.

[Papa Zito]

League of Legends is a video game!

[Papa Zito]

Cait's only strength is her range. Her dps is one of the lowest. Not sure what you're smoking.

He doesn't understand what scaling means.

[Papa Zito]

Tamm, the River King, the new champion.

I think he's a support.

This video is so Bastion.

[Papa Zito]

Yeah, I think I'm giving up on support specifically because it's so hard to carry with one when your teammates can't.
But maybe I'm just not good enough at support?

just play velkoz

trust me

[Papa Zito]

The best thing about playing on LAN is when people rage at you, you have no idea wtf they're saying. You just go "arriba" at them and move on with your day.

[Papa Zito]

Also having half the ping of NA is p gr8 too.

[Papa Zito]

Time to take a break bro.

[Papa Zito]

you're just a soft cunt <3

ayyyyyyyyyyyy

[Papa Zito]

I don't think heimer counters exist.

Anything with waveclear or good range.

[Papa Zito]

1) No-ish. You're already dedicating one slot to vision with sightstone. Only in cases where the enemy has stealth-dependent champs would you carry a vision ward with you all the time.

2) Watch replays

3a) AD and mid

3b) Sure

4) Split push 24/7 and ignore your team. Ult to help escape.

[Papa Zito]

I think top 5 tops on this patch are something like Singed

woah

plz tell me this is true

I love Singed cuz he's the trolliest scumlord ever but he hasn't been viable for ages.

[Papa Zito]

I need to finish my shit eventually. I've been waiting for the game to stabilize but noooo they keep making these huge changes.

So it's just been Fun In Arribaland for me. Arribaland is A+ hilarious would recommend.

[Papa Zito]

way to be a jerk ani

[Papa Zito]

Every patch has had some bigass change, like game-changing new items or w/e. Unless I'm remembering wrong, in past seasons this typically died out a few weeks after preseason but not this time. If I could just have a few patches where they just did champ tweaks that'd be suuuper swell gee golly.

[Papa Zito]

Every patch has had some bigass change, like game-changing new items or w/e. Unless I'm remembering wrong, in past seasons this typically died out a few weeks after preseason but not this time. If I could just have a few patches where they just did champ tweaks that'd be suuuper swell gee golly.

and folks, this is why you don't decide to 'main' FotM picks

who are you

[Papa Zito]

Is this a real conversation

lighten up bro

it's a video game

[Papa Zito]

ffs

[Papa Zito]

I'm not one to whine about meta much or anything, but I feel like waiting until 5.17 to play ranked while this all sorts itself out.

This is where I've beenthis whole freaking season.

[Papa Zito]

Played some real games last night for the first time in a while. Peg/Zito botlane still at LCS standards. Accept no substitutes.

[Papa Zito]

Btw question, is that thing where your lp gains get reduced as you approach your mmr still a thing? Because I'm still averaging about 20 or so lp per win. And I lose much less when I lose. Like I was going 50% win rate and gaining lp like nothing else.

I vaguely recall them saying they'd revamped the formulas around lp gains. I don't think it clamps anymore based on position.

[Papa Zito]

Yorick support is legit.

[Papa Zito]

don't do it you have so much to live for

[Papa Zito]

uh I don't bow to you but gj

[Papa Zito]

I think I'm gonna transition into a support main

Mostly already have Blitz and Soraka under my belt. But any other supports that are effective but not too hard to learn you guys recommend?

why would you pick the two worst supports in the game

man

[Papa Zito]

Uh, Soraka is OP as fuck, are you drunk? If they cant get to the backline, and you know how to play Soraka, you win the majority of your games.

Soraka suuuuuuucks

[Papa Zito]

no, Riot has acknowledged that it's becoming a problem

[Papa Zito]

There are videos on youtube that show them in action if you're curious.

[Papa Zito]

^correct

[Papa Zito]

janna's just not the same anymore, dude

yeah she is

[Papa Zito]

That doesn't stop peg.

Also congrats.

[Papa Zito]

I'm very not good

don't worry skrew none of us are

[Papa Zito]

understandable mistake.

It's Counter Bruiser Bruiser Lux

(itemization not quite the same)

[Papa Zito]

sure can carry as lux

[Papa Zito]

page 1800


god damn

[Papa Zito]

Wouldn't Leona be better for YOLO queue then Thresh?

Yeah p much

[Papa Zito]

Did you know...

Panzer has over 2000 posts in this thread.


ok carry on

[Papa Zito]

Maybe I'm just being a sourpuss, but I am starting to hate that they change the game so significantly every year.

this is how I've been feeling

all season long

[Papa Zito]

How many times do you queue solo normal and get a four stack of all the roles beside support, and fuck you if you don't want to support because it's four guys who are gonna make you support or ruin your game.

If you'd actually read the posted links, you'd know that when you queue (and you can indeed queue solo still) you choose the 2 roles you'd like to play, plus preferred champs for those roles, and you get matched to others based on your choices. It should literally be impossible for the game to force you into support if you've chosen top and mid as your preferences.

My only issue with this system is they've essentially enforced a meta for the game, but maybe league is mature enough now where that's ok.

[Papa Zito]

enforced a meta for the game

that's what team builder did
with this system you can choose whatever the fuck champion you want
so you're not 'enforcing' a meta by any means

That is what team builder did and I had a similar reaction. Also team builder was optional, this very much sounds like what ranked and normals are going to be from now on.

You're enforcing a meta of top/jungle/mid/support/marksman (or however they decide to label it). No dual junglers, no dual tops, no roamers, etc. Those five being The Roles You Must Play is being enforced by this.

[Papa Zito]

You're enforcing a meta of top/jungle/mid/support/marksman (or however they decide to label it).

The meta hasn't changed for FOUR YEARS. I doubt it'll change now.

eh that's not true

The double jungle fad wasn't that long ago

Remember that thing where teams would just go nuts and 5-man towers at the start of the game? Good times.

[Papa Zito]

That was hardly double jungle - it's "top laner helps jungler do a few camps then goes back to top lane".

That's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm talking about two people with smite roaming the map.

Also, 5-manning towers earlygame was a competitive thing.

ALSO not what I'm talking about at all. :V I'm talking about the time when all five team members would hide in a bush near an enemy tower, then proceed to knock it down, then proceed to knock down the next one, and the next and so forth until stopped.

[Papa Zito]

Thanks for sharing your experience but I dunno what that has to do with anything I've posted.

[Papa Zito]

Thanks for sharing your experience but I dunno what that has to do with anything I've posted.

If double jungling or 5-manning towers was meta recently as you're insisting, then I would have seen it.

Those things were never meta. But they have been done, sometimes successfully. Riot is now saying "you shouldn't play this way". I'm not sure why you're struggling so hard with this.

[Papa Zito]

Zito will like this answer.

I hope they flip the switch!


Finally finished placements thank fuck. I hate solo queue so much, it's just a giant dick-waving contest and a huge waste of time.

[Papa Zito]

if anyone has anything they want me to test

Jungle zyra

[Papa Zito]

I was going to inb4 panzer but he beat me to it

[Papa Zito]

To clarify: Decay is disabled. You will keep whatever MMR you earn/lose during the period if you choose to play ranked. At some point they'll reset everyone and you'll have to do placements again. Your placements will be based on whatever your MMR was at reset.

[Papa Zito]

challenger aram mmr

[Papa Zito]

shurima shurima

Shurima shurima shurimashurima?

Shurima.

[Papa Zito]

Welcome to ONM

[Papa Zito]

Roses are red
No advancement for you
lolololol
-panzer

[Papa Zito]

and LAZOR BEAM is unwallable

this can't be true

[Papa Zito]

"final spark" fu riot it's flunkl

If xerath's thing from heaven isn't blocked I guess veigar's isn't either?

[Papa Zito]

Lux is fine, she just has mana problems.

[Papa Zito]

Illoai is very complicated. I don't get it.

she's very undertuned in my extremely professional opinion

[Papa Zito]

why do you keep calling it a test

[Papa Zito]

If I were home and peg was around we could decimate them but oh wells

[Papa Zito]

If I were home and peg was around we could decimate them but oh wells

What if we ban MF?

gl hf

[Papa Zito]

I'm not sure if I've ever played with any of those 3.

[Papa Zito]

Where's my panzer to straight style on bitches +-200 elo from him

[Papa Zito]

myko + zor + bella + ank + shanba

vs

Sleepy + Psyche + hiplop + Zito + peg



are these fair teams

and if so taking bets now

there's no way

I'm bronze 3 and falling please don't have expectations

my team is already scared

wtf is this

[Papa Zito]

oh is zito actually good at league

bruh

[Papa Zito]

oh is zito actually good at league

bruh

^

panzer can you put up the bitz signal

[Papa Zito]

I can do that. What's his rate, a 3-piece per hour? Also remind him that basketball doesn't matter until February.

[Papa Zito]

well hiplop got volunteered and he's the only volunteer with balls so I'd say he's our 5th

hiplop you can jungle right

[Papa Zito]

I have learned not to take inhouses seriously.

can't speak for everyone else tho