League of Legends (Old)

BROseidon · Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:20 pm

In post 37602, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 37598, zoraster wrote:fwiw the wikia says that vayne outranges graves, 550 to 525. of course graves has buckshot.

The problem with Graves vs. Vayne (for me, at least) is that you have to GO IN ON THE VAYNE (like get close) to get the max damage out of your Q. At which point the vayne can just tumble, condemn, and beat the everliving shit out of you. Also super-lategame scalers really shouldn't have hard cc in their kit. It makes them obnoxious.

Jinx I can do much better than Graves into Vayne.

So, fun fact:

Graves has the best matchup into Vayne of any champion except Cait.

BROseidon · Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:21 pm

In post 37614, FakeGod wrote:BRO, I would like your thoughts on Panzer's post:

In post 37582, PJ. wrote:It's probably because I have no interest in getting any better, but when I play someone better than me, I don't really feel anything. I don't even really try to win, I just let them do their thing and ff 20. I kinda have lost all interest in trying to play good tough games. I don't even really want to play games against people around my skill level because I don't crave that challenge anymore. I rather just play against bronzes and low silvers for the rest of my time with the game.

There is no degree to which I empathize with this, because there is nothing in my life that I don't approach with the mindset of trying to improve at every juncture.

BROseidon · Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:23 pm

In post 37609, chamber wrote:
In post 37607, PJ. wrote:
In post 37600, chamber wrote:I think ashe into vayne is a really bad idea.

Why?

I looked up other opinions after I said that and its supposedly supposed to be a good match for ashe, so just ignore me.

Edit: though I guess that's not what you asked. Every vayne ever that I've ashe vs vayned can dodge my ult with her tumble. A lot of ashe's power is in her ult imo. Shrug.

Ult the squishy support or chain it with your support's CC.

Ashe/Zyra is a really good lane because if Zyra lands e ever the person dies.

BROseidon · Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:35 pm

I'd recommend super casual games for that, then.

Definitely not league.

BROseidon · Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:43 pm

If you want something relatively mindless and relaxing, I'd recommend, I don't know, any decent iPhone game?

Playing against people is an implicitly competitive thing

BROseidon · Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:43 pm

Single player shooters and RPGs also apply.

BROseidon · Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:39 am

I tried watching ls coach the urgod.

Urgod is so fucking bad. I couldn't watch it.

BROseidon · Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:18 pm

In post 37707, PJ. wrote:Just having spectral wrath outside of the jungle is wrong

I lol'd

BROseidon · Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:19 pm

In post 37721, Oman wrote:I was forced to Malz jungle once. We won (obviously cause I'm a boss malz), but yeah.

There's a D1 AD jungle Malz main.

BROseidon · Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:34 pm

In post 37750, PJ. wrote:
In post 37748, BROseidon wrote:
In post 37707, PJ. wrote:Just having spectral wrath outside of the jungle is wrong

I lol'd

Am I wrong? Can you explain why I'm wrong? Cause I don't know why I'm wrong.

There's 2 times when getting SW outside of jungle is good/powerful:

1) Top splitpush Vlad loves it. It lets him shove and sustain really while, then lets him go into the enemy's jungle when he can't push more and farm more.

2) Farm-oriented mid laners in competitive are starting to take it (right now Ori is the only one in meta, but if Karth/Anivia/Cass come back in...). The idea is to go back to a season 2 style of play where you shove mid then go take wraiths, and you do this over and over until you have a huge CS lead on your opponent. This is only really done in competitive, since it requires you and your jungler to be talking (your jungler needs to be expecting not to have wraiths, and therefore be doing stuff elsewhere). That might change with the map changes, although I sort of doubt it.

BROseidon · Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:42 pm

In post 37762, PJ. wrote:So I was right then? K.

1. why not a wota?

2. I don't consider what the pros to be doing a viable situation in league of legends because unless you are in very high level 5s games it's not gonna happen.

1) You lose 20% spell vamp in exchange for high gold generation and 500 gold in pocket straight up. I don't know how you'd take a discount rate in League, but over the course of a game it's probably gonna be worth more than that spell vamp would have been.

2) Duo queue! And by that logic we should say things like Zed, Jayce, and Nami are shit-tier champions because they can only be used effectively at the highest level of play.

BROseidon · Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:43 pm

In post 37775, PJ. wrote:Will they ever make a better trundle skin than Little Slugger Trundle(which looks like benny the jet for sandlot and shoots a little league trophey out of the ground)

The skin is actually an anime reference.

BROseidon · Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:23 am

In post 37793, PJ. wrote:
In post 37777, BROseidon wrote:
In post 37775, PJ. wrote:Will they ever make a better trundle skin than Little Slugger Trundle(which looks like benny the jet for sandlot and shoots a little league trophey out of the ground)

The skin is actually an anime reference.

Diamond no Ace? He looks super close to sand lot though..

I think it's something else. I'll ask my buddy what it was

BROseidon · Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:28 am

Kalista is really broken.

She ours mites everything in the game by 1k+ damage.

BROseidon · Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:28 am

Like you cannot steal an objective a Kalista's team is taking

BROseidon · Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:57 am

Her spears don't cap how much they do to monsters

BROseidon · Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:57 am

On the rip thing

BROseidon · Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:50 am

Ahri w first used to be standard when her w+ult could 1-shot squishies.

Now it's q>w>e

BROseidon · Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:06 am

I'm sad that it's been so long since I've been to riot that I don't know these champs anymore

BROseidon · Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:49 am

In post 37962, PJ. wrote:Sometimes you end up on newbie island if you are around that elo. No idea why or how

Matchmaking takes too long, probably.

BROseidon · Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:52 am

In post 38090, KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:Yup. I remember the times of the tryhard Swain tops, Warwick tops, Amumu support and Kennen support

WW top isn't actually that hard...

The issue with the jungle TF is that it requires really strong technical and mechanical ability not to get roflstomped by the jungle, then really good team fighting to stay relevant late game

BROseidon · Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:49 am

In post 38094, KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:Ww top has shit waveclear though and while he has sustain, he has mana issues that make him top... Not that good

Double dring start.

What mana issues.

BROseidon · Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:49 am

With Kayle jungle you still have to know how to juggle the soft-resets, which requires skill

BROseidon · Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:17 am

You don't win lane with ww top.

You let them push you to turret and farm, using q to stay healthy. Then you ult when your jungler comes for kills

BROseidon · Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:44 pm

In post 38104, KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:but ww doesn't really scale all that well into lategame

Uh...

BROseidon · Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:46 pm

Also, WW's ult is far from the only reason why he's a monster late game.

The fact that he fucking out tanks everyone in the game short of Mundo while putting out huge damage and having good chase is why he's a monster late game.

Plus he gives his ADC 40% AS because why not.

BROseidon · Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:31 am

WE doesn't care who he deletes, because he'll stall you out regardless

BROseidon · Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:45 pm

The EU LCS casters said that Janna out trades Lulu in lane.

Wtf.

BROseidon · Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:25 am

Janna's shield is broken by lulu q and an auto.

BROseidon · Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:41 am

Zyra support is fine.

Panzer your attitude is terrible.

BROseidon · Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:43 am

Like, for a long time, zyra was my best support.

The whole "ksing the carry" thing is not something that most really good players care about. Like, yeah, funneling that extra gold to the carry is nice, but this also isn't dota. Supports have a ton of ways to use gold that can contribute equally to the team.

BROseidon · Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:01 pm

There's no "ideal" comp.

BROseidon · Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:02 pm

Like, there's a ton of shit wrong with your reasoning, but let's start with the core issue.

You're being overly dogmatic and prescriptivist about what is "best" for reasons that are largely arbitrary.

BROseidon · Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:06 pm

It doesn't matter if it's "his" ideal comp.

It's still fucking stupid to believe that any comp is ideal and to dogmatically hold others to it.

BROseidon · Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:09 pm

I was linguistics, not cogsci.

They're housed in the same department at my school, though.

BROseidon · Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:33 pm

What's most likely to win at that Elo is people playing shit they can play.

BROseidon · Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:33 pm

I really don't understand why this is so complicated.

BROseidon · Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:25 am

1-4 in placements so far.

I'm gonna be placed in like silver or something :/

BROseidon · Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:54 am

about to be 3-4.

The people I'm playing with are so bad

BROseidon · Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:03 am

nope, 2-5.

These people are fucking terrible

BROseidon · Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:25 am

I'll get out of gold pretty quickly if I do land there.

I can't get shit teams forever, and once the rust wears off I'll basically be god.

BROseidon · Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:18 am

It's funny that you're calling Zyra an off-meta support when Zyra's pretty much only a support.

BROseidon · Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:19 am

And Grag support does completely different things from cow, so...

BROseidon · Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:51 pm

Grag and Leona don't do the same thing.

Similar, yes, but grag's ult lets him fill a very specific niche

BROseidon · Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:01 pm

In post 38976, Oman wrote:So what is grag's role? Thanks disruption against positioning based teams? Trying to think who I'd pick him against in a team instead of Leona.

Leona has to hard-commit to do anything. Gragas doesnt. That's a pretty huge difference that affects a lot of scenarios. Gragas generally performs much better vs Janna, for instance (Janna can't deal with poke and you can't q-troll him to completely fuck him over the way you can with Leona)

BROseidon · Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:51 am

In post 38983, KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:Gragas ult is harder to land then Leonas, and the range is also a lot shorter. I prefer Leona over gragas anyday. Leona in lane forcee the enemy to focus Leona

Grag ult is also has double the utility.

BROseidon · Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:25 am

Silver 1.

This gonna be good.

BROseidon · Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:35 am

In post 38994, zoraster wrote:kills can get you objectives and in lane can earn you more CS versus your lane opponent I guess.

This

BROseidon · Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:55 am

It comes from people being bad.

BROseidon · Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:53 am

Jayce was bad if he let that happen.

BROseidon · Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:54 am

The trick to Akali is knowing how to farm under turret, and how to use your shroud/sustain to let you get some cs.

BROseidon · Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:31 pm

Shen's playing aggro is taking neutr trades and sustaining up until they are low and you arent

BROseidon · Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:40 pm

I like Jayce a lot.

BROseidon · Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:49 am

In post 39182, Nikanor wrote:
In post 39174, Pramitz wrote:
Annie

AA 625
Q 625
W 625
E self
R 600

Malzahar

AA 550
Q 900
W 800
E 650
R 700

(Ranges from http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/L ... gends_Wiki) Btw my favorite mid laners are xerath and ziggs

annie beats malzahar in lane though so there

Define "beat"

BROseidon · Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:13 pm

Oh my god people in silver are bad.

I should win once my shit-team streak breaks. Or I decide to stop playing support

BROseidon · Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:35 pm

Explains all the successful gay pros.

BROseidon · Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:24 am

The issue is that the specific term refers to a group of people who don't fit in the western gender/sexuality identification scheme.

People tend to forget that sexuality and gender are socially constructed and that different cultures can have identities that we straight-up don't.

BROseidon · Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:15 am

AP burst Malph is also a thing. Maybe not relevant to that game, and it also might just be bad now that DFG is gone.

BROseidon · Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:21 pm

In post 39400, theelkspeaks wrote:During Season 4 preseason right when relic shield came out and 2-1-2 was the meta.

Oh my god that was so dumb.

BROseidon · Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:46 am

In gold now.

MMR is still stupidly low. Even when I have a bad lane, I still win.

BROseidon · Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:51 am

The most noticeable thing to me about low mmr is that universally players have horrendous shot calling. There are varying degrees of mechanics, teal fighting, etc, but nobody in silver/gold understands objectives

BROseidon · Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:09 pm

Yes, having a good attitude makes you play better.

BROseidon · Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:24 pm

In post 39425, Nikanor wrote:
In post 39416, animorpherv1 wrote:Argh, silver is impossible to climb out of now unless you're plat or higher. I hate it.

the system works fine. you should probably stop blaming the game and start blaming the player.

Every time you make a mistake, analyze it and don't make it again.

BROseidon · Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:26 pm

OH MY GOD BARD IS FINALLY COMING OUT. Bard was broken as shit last time I visited Riot - hopefully they made him less broken.

BROseidon · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:19 pm

In post 39439, Oman wrote:Explain him to me, RiotBRO

NDA DENIES YOU!

BROseidon · Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:20 pm

Riot's been working on Ao Shin a really fucking long time at this point.

BROseidon · Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:40 am

My MMR is high gold right now.

People at this MMR are really bad :/

BROseidon · Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:41 am

It's also really funny because people are terrible in different ways, so they just yell at each other about how they suck, and they're all technically correct.

BROseidon · Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:26 am

Turns out that I can't play first time Ori well at this MMR :/

BROseidon · Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:27 am

The problem with MF is that Graves and Lucian exist.

BROseidon · Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:53 am

What champ you play really doesn't matter. It's about skill.

BROseidon · Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:04 am

Bard was broken as fuck during testing when I was at Riot last. Hopefully they fixed that...

Also, that wasn't the kit I saw a year ago.

BROseidon · Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:45 am

Wait you went to high school with... Jordan? I think that's his name

BROseidon · Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:11 am

What just happened

BROseidon · Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:35 am

Also she's a better support because she's really strong in 2v2s and has insane utility and zoning potential

BROseidon · Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:35 am

Also I remembered that Jordan was Braum's designer.

BROseidon · Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:01 pm

There's no reason not to use ahri or ori mid. Neither are super difficult, and both are always S or A tier

BROseidon · Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:02 pm

Alternatively, you can niche pick Malz/Bird/Karthus, as with kassadin gimped they all are very hard to counter outright

BROseidon · Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:04 pm

Also don't do ADC mid - your team will have no idea how to play with it. I'd also suggest not playing Corki - Graves is a lot easier to learn on

BROseidon · Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:05 pm

I've never been flamed for playing Malz

BROseidon · Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:06 pm

Wait I think I read your post wrong

BROseidon · Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:42 am

In post 39778, quadz08 wrote:I actually have a pretty easy time farming as corki, generally? (Relatively easy, anyway, I am legit terrible at CS)

Corki is easy to farm with because of his passive.

He's hard to play well in team fights because of all the spell weaving and his e

BROseidon · Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:43 am

Corki can cs ranged under turret with no buffering from the support. He and draven are the only ones who can do that

BROseidon · Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:25 am

People are acting entitled towards things they aren't entitled too.

BROseidon · Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:57 am

Ezreal is a midlaner. You all are doing it wrong

BROseidon · Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:42 pm

Ezreal bot is kind of bad because Ezreal is actually an ad poke mage who wants level advantage.

BROseidon · Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:21 am

Literally all that matters in solo queue is lane mechanics and how well you can get idiots to listen to your shot calling.

BROseidon · Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:22 am

Also how good your shot calling actually is

BROseidon · Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:23 am

In post 39922, xRECKONERx wrote:I fucking hate Cho'Gath.

That champion has no counterplay potential. He's too tanky to dive on and burst down, he does surprising damage for a tanky character, and he has range/CC to keep you fucked hard when you're just trying to farm. There's actually no option to beat him.

Dodge

BROseidon · Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:19 am

In post 39980, PJ. wrote:Highly disagree. I'm a high gold player on NA, I won a series to diamond in LAN. Small servers are considerable lower skill level than big servers.

Not entirely true - theoretically you have a stronger bronze 5 on smaller servers because there aren't as many bads

BROseidon · Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:29 am

In post 40001, Oman wrote:I'm having a mad struggle with league at the moment. I'm still enjoying it, but I'm watching some massive losses. Especially games where I don't too badly myself. Not sure if it's just a streak or what.

Shit happens. I find this happens to me when I get lazy with shot calling, since that's the main thing I bring to a team at my MMR

BROseidon · Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:50 am

In post 40026, JasonWazza wrote:Unless your going for a full kill lane, then realistically it's not worth it, the stats you get from the gold generation item as well as the extra GP/10 is worth a lot more then anything else.

This answer is wrong.

The correct answer is "only if you are Edward Abgaryan."

BROseidon · Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:01 am

In post 40054, PJ. wrote:Now? That's always been the case, I'm not saying they miss every skillshot but they miss more often. "Lower skill players miss more skillshots than higher skilled players" is a pretty easy concept to grasp.

Skillshot accuracy probably peaks in like high gold/low plat, since people get good at aiming before they get good at being unpredictable/juking.

BROseidon · Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:02 am

In post 40070, PJ. wrote:That's my big move down at my lowly ELO. R W AA to burst down a Jinxy baby

Ashe Janna level 1 can straight-up 1-shot the enemy ADC or support if you take ignite on the support and AD runes.

BROseidon · Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:03 am

Ashe Janna is still probably the strongest level 1 lane in the game.

BROseidon · Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:33 am

I'm on a winning streak because my mmr is deflated and I stopped sucking.

BROseidon · Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:02 am

Someone just picked yasuo in my series game.

Yasuo is science

BROseidon · Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:02 pm

No, Yasuo is science.

BROseidon · Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:58 pm

Finally got around to watching the URGOD game.

Damn Gravity was crisp.

BROseidon · Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:42 am

Support is hard because being a good support requires really strong technical knowledge (which most people lack).

My mmr is now at low plat/high gold, and even there it's really apparent how dumb people are about the game relative to me. It's too bad I lack mechanical swag

BROseidon · Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:22 am

Mummy is pretty dumb-proof

BROseidon · Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:50 am

Anyone who thinks ksing means anything other than "kill secured" is bad.

BROseidon · Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:51 am

Like, it only ever mattered in seasons 1 and 2 when adcs had beyond broken scaling and people didn't know how to punish the death timer

BROseidon · Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:49 am

In post 40174, zoraster wrote:well he's kassadin, so post-6 he kind of has a built in flash.

I still think that placing an average of half a ward a minute throughout the game is probably not sufficient.

Optimal is about 1/minute once you have sight stone. Before then it's obviously going to be worse.

BROseidon · Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:51 am

I forget what the pro numbers are but there are pro supports who get pretty close to that 1/min mark.

In other positions it's a bit worse, but I'm one of the few people I see us my mmr who buys green wards as non-support

BROseidon · Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:01 am

In post 40222, Cabd wrote:So I am legit gonna be bronze five unless i turn this shit around.

My most recent game, yi takes two CS from our WW top (which in and of itself pickwise shoulda been a sign) and so WW decides to instantly feed then afk for the two cs lost

WW is good top >.>

BROseidon · Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:02 am

In post 40223, Gendaberry wrote:
In post 40188, Llamarble wrote:Do we have 5 active gold/plat/diamond range players on MS who could form a ranked team? SAD and I are both high plat / likely to hit D5 soon; he plays mostly mid and I mostly AD.

Oh yeah, forgot to ask. How serious would you want this team to be? Would it be to tryhard and see how high we could go, or more just for fun?

On this note, I'm currently in gold but have been plat since s3. Can play anything that isn't top reasonably well, too

BROseidon · Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:06 am

Honestly it doesn't matter what you play in low elo, since you can mechanics-force your way to high gold/low plat.

And you really only need 1 person in each position so long as it's not a common pick/ban (ie, I can get away playing only lulu in 3 positions because she isn't super common)

BROseidon · Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:07 am

I still play more than that because I play to have fun, but it's generally better to get really good with a few champs first and then expand than it is to try to learn fundamentals while playing a bunch of champs

BROseidon · Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:17 am

ls did a really good video about improvement, etc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkiCSUeOGTc

also watch ls's public coaching videos. The guy is the single best western coach imo

BROseidon · Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:30 am

In post 40248, PJ. wrote:Ultimately if you're better than bronze you can play anyone like broseiden says but if you aren't a stronger champ/stronger mechanic will go a long way in elevating you just a little beyond your ability.

A stronger champ won't help, though, since balance isn't static.

It's better to just pick a few champs that are relatively easy to play (no Zed, etc), and stick with them until you are actually good.

BROseidon · Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:26 pm

I prefer support

BROseidon · Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:22 pm

In post 40495, The Bulge wrote:Klazam, Oversoul and I are in a game with Riot CFed! Never played with a Rioter before.

A Rioter introduced me to League!

BROseidon · Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:49 am

In post 40485, theelkspeaks wrote:I'd even argue that in solo queue the guy who feeds should shot call.

Everyone in that game is at the same ELO by some combination of their game sense and their mechanical play. If you're feeding because your mechanics suck, logically you have the most game sense in that game.

The problem with this is that feeding isn't necessarily just because of your net mechanical skill in a given game. A lot of other contextual stuff can fuck individual games.

The rule in my games is that I should shot call

BROseidon · Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:45 pm

In post 40505, PJ. wrote:
In post 40500, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 40485, theelkspeaks wrote:I'd even argue that in solo queue the guy who feeds should shot call.

Everyone in that game is at the same ELO by some combination of their game sense and their mechanical play. If you're feeding because your mechanics suck, logically you have the most game sense in that game.

In high elo that may be the case, however it isn't so in low elo.

She wanted us to group mid against a Diana, Sona, Fiora, Graves and Hecarim.

The very obvious con, all the fucking AoE in the world, all this while they have a massive gold lead, and a couple of dragons.

But is the alternative to let them 5 push your towers while people farm side lanes? If they are grouping, you need to group. That's the bottom line.

Lol

BROseidon · Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:12 am

Jayce top has been a go-to for me for a while.

WW top is also fun

BROseidon · Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:52 am

A lot of what Riot does are tongue and cheek cultural references, so...

BROseidon · Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:00 am

In post 40747, zoraster wrote:I thought she was indian?

This would make way more sense tbh

BROseidon · Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:01 am

Also all the Ionian character are Chinese so...

BROseidon · Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:01 am

Akali and Shen are also probably Japanese?

BROseidon · Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:13 am

Lee and Yi are also very clearly Chinese

BROseidon · Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:13 am

In post 40767, quadz08 wrote:chinese and/or asian-inspired lore =/= asian champion (see ahri in particular; foxes are not humans)\

also just for the sake or arguing, varus could just as easily be jewish if we're going with the temple thing

But Ahri is literally kumiho, who is a Korean mythological figure the way that Cassiopeia is clearly a Gorgon.

BROseidon · Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:15 am

In post 40774, PJ. wrote:
In post 40769, Oman wrote:It's a massive fucking problem, that racial groups and most women CAN'T find a character that they can roleplay as, with whom they identify. And as I said, my point that Ionia is Asia, that Karma is Indian, isn't offering a counterpoint to that at all.

Alright, this might be a question because I'm white, but is roleplaying as someone that looks like yourself important? I've never ever ever played a character that looks like myself intentionally in any game(intentionally meaning, if I played a big white guy I played it for reasons other than "he's the big white guy"), and any time I'm allowed to make a character, I never ever ever make it look like me.

Yes.

This also applies to other aspects of identity.

BROseidon · Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:49 am

WE SHARE A CAKEDAY

BROseidon · Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:33 am

Riot's old office was pretty swag already...

BROseidon · Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:13 am

In post 41050, TheButtonmen wrote:I'm fairly certain I've played more GP then anyone else on this site (and I used him to go undefeated in both of the 1v1 tournaments organized in this thread). I will share with you two profound GP secrets below!

1: Crit-plank is shit.
2: AP-plank is shit.

I was a gp jungle main end of season one through like mid season 2.

Our college team would fp gangplank a lot because we could run him top, jg, or support

BROseidon · Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:16 am

In post 41051, TheButtonmen wrote:GP scales goddamn terribly, his main strength is there is a small subset of characters that he can dominate in lane simply by running them down at level 2 or 3 using his passive. The heals are indeed good but they're good enough to simply just level up first and leaving it at that and his ult scales goddamn terribly with AP due to difficulty applying it and the rest ofhis kit gets 0 value from building it so you're wasting massive amounts of gold by doing so. Doubling down with a nashors and a lichbane doesn't make AP-plank good, it just means you spent 6000 gold on extremely cost ineffective glass cannon items to be slightly less shit.

As for crit-plank (who is also shit) his issue quite similar to AP-plank but to a lesser extent. He's got a fairly weak laning phase (aka negating GP's one strength) and is incredibly useless in team fights / late game as he's a pure glass melee character with no gapclosers or CC.

The only marginally effective GP build I'e found goes Hydra / Tank and maybe a luxury BoRK in the end game and he's played as a split pusher using the power of his ult and his ability to disengage using the move speed on e and cc removal on oranges. Even then he falls off extremely hard in the endgame due to his weakness in endgame team fights where his lack of gapclosers or hard CC makes him incredibly ineffective as a bruiser.

GP is old and his kit shows it sadly, incredibly fun but incredibly outdated.

Gp is actually one of the design team's least favorite kits because it's just 4 abilities with no real synergy. For gp to be fun, all of his abilities have to be super broken because they don't work together at all.

Static shiv into tank or hydra into tank is the best gp right now. It lets you split push really fast, and you can get out of ganks with e + slows to go split more. In team fights, you just want to be there and slow for dayssssssss

The removal of shurelia's was really rough for gp, though.

Or yeah, gp has the strongest lvl 1 in the game. So there's that.

BROseidon · Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:18 am

Also the samsung white skins are fucking amazing. Pawn has the jacket and imp rolls in the grass for his back animation

BROseidon · Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:56 am

In post 41075, Iecerint wrote:Oh, I read her crit differently. I thought they just meant removal of the free crit, but you might be right.

Still, it's more like turning crit items into an AD deathcap for her. It's a constant multiplier instead of an RNG one. Though we don't have the numbers.

Crit should just be like that by default. Rng is bad design, and it's been removed everywhere except for crit and gp's ult.

BROseidon · Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:59 am

You don't get botrk on twitch because it optimizes his damage, though.

You get it for the peel + the ability to 1v1 pick the enemy adc in the midgame

BROseidon · Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:07 am

Most ADCs can't turn invisible and pop up right next to you and kill you.

BROseidon · Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:12 pm

http://imgur.com/KByX9lh,ENUSNqT,t7pp4Y ... ,gPAXxNg#2

Dash is a fucking god holy shit.

BROseidon · Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:06 am

Ryze is really broken right now.

BROseidon · Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:01 pm

The power is that at level three he can literally chunk down most top laners for 60%+ while they are perma snared.

BROseidon · Sat Jun 06, 2015 4:44 pm

In post 42255, PJ. wrote:Yeah, and all I'm saying is I've seen ryze at 3 different tiers and none of those people are doing anything close to chunking anything ever. All I'm saying is he feels like he could be strong but nobody under 1600 is playing him successfully

My MMR is low plat right now, and I can do it semi-decently. Also my mechanics are bad.

Id suspect that most people mid gold up can abuse the combo if they land the first snare. Getting the first snare with the passive proc is the harder part.

BROseidon · Sat Jun 06, 2015 4:47 pm

The counter play to ryze is to play a mage top. Cho is really good here (your silence and rupture fuck with his passive), as are karthus (you out range him so hard you kind of can ignore him and farm), cass (see karth), Morg (black shield OP), etc

BROseidon · Sat Jun 06, 2015 4:49 pm

My guess is that ryze's bullshit permasnare will go away, but he'll get something else to compensate a bit

BROseidon · Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:39 am

In post 42298, Cabd wrote:Heh at that point it's almost worth using the pink ward upgrade to yellow trinket.

No, you need the sweep.

The reason you buy so many pinks is to have extra sweeps

BROseidon · Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:26 am

In post 42362, PJ. wrote:Quick PSA because I've seen some outrage on pool party zac is a 1350 skin: water is really fucking hard to animate guys. And they had to completely reanimate him because goo =/= water. So as much as I hate how much resources and time they spend designing and rendering skins, anything significantly water is gonna be 1350 or higher. I really wish they'd let me log in in less than 3 tries though instead of putting out 5 chromas and 5 skins.

Because those are the same resources...

BROseidon · Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:24 pm

In post 42916, Psyche wrote:and this must be the hedonic treadmill i keep reading about
next you'll be telling me to get a desktop to accompany my laptop
right??

People make fun of me for gaming on my laptop.

I don't really have problems b/c I don't run any graphic-intensive games, but like a $1000 pc would be better for gaming than my laptop.

BROseidon · Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:24 pm

Also do you not use a mouse when you're at a desk with your laptop? Because that's what most people do.

BROseidon · Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:29 pm

Kerp!

BROseidon · Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:38 am

I haven't played him in a while. That said, I do love the home guard rush on him - it makes you able to go back at no cost.

BROseidon · Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:43 am

In post 43113, JasonWazza wrote:What top laners counter top lane wukong?

His one of the only top laners i actually struggle against on a regular basis.

All of them.

Wu's early trading is atrocious

BROseidon · Sat Jul 04, 2015 1:22 pm

In post 43117, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 43114, BROseidon wrote:
In post 43113, JasonWazza wrote:What top laners counter top lane wukong?

His one of the only top laners i actually struggle against on a regular basis.

All of them.

Wu's early trading is atrocious

You're high. Wukong's level 2 is one of THE BEST. When he hits 3, he can go invisible after his trade and trade FOR FREE.

Pick something tanky. He struggles to do much vs. tanks in lane.

Wu's level 2 is better than, like, Ryze's I guess.

Wu is useful for his E->q, then his CDs are really high and you just have to stick on him long term. Also, you should be able to respond to the invisible to trade back harder than he trades.

BROseidon · Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:34 pm

In post 43120, animorpherv1 wrote:Wukong sure is a bad laner.
No, he can't win lane at all.

Abusing skill differentials is not a thing.

BROseidon · Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:35 pm

Like, to be clear - if Wu's laning weren't shit, he'd be a top tier pick in pro play because his team fight is amazing.

BROseidon · Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:09 am

In post 43124, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 43123, BROseidon wrote:Like, to be clear - if Wu's laning weren't shit, he'd be a top tier pick in pro play because his team fight is amazing.

Wu lanes shit vs tanks.

Tanks are what is picked in LCS as top laners.

Solo queue is different.

He wasn't picked top when mages/assassins were meta top, either.

BROseidon · Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:31 am

In post 43133, hiplop wrote:
In post 43123, BROseidon wrote:Like, to be clear - if Wu's laning weren't shit, he'd be a top tier pick in pro play because his team fight is amazing.

Pro play and everyone else is a completely different game.

Wu is quite often first blooder/dominates lane (heck he's so good in lane Mid wukomg was top tier like 2 patches ago)

The core differences are that you have larger skill variance and you don't have to respect the jungler as much. Saying that Wukong is good in lane because you're better than your opponent is different than saying that Wukong is objectively good in lane.

BROseidon · Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:27 am

1) Yes. I typically always buy 1 on a b, but 2 is probably generally better. Use pinks like extra sweeper charges (i.e., use a pink when sweep is on CD and you want to check a spot for vision). The exception to this is that your first 1-2 pinks can be used for more long-term vision control (i.e., tribrush if you're blue side bot lane to keep wards out of that spot/spot for their jungler). This also means you shouldn't be concerned about dropping a pink when you already have one down.

2) Eyes on the minimap. Understand who's not on the map (and who is on the map, what they can do to kill you, and what that means in terms of what spaces are safe for you to be in.

3a) As others have said, you're missing roles. What you play in each role doesn't *really* matter, so long as it's not a total troll pick. You can also look to put champs on multiple roles (Annie can be both support/mid, Naut can be top/jungle/support, etc)

3b) You don't have to play one. Granted, I find tank/initiate supports to be super fun. (Also, Braum isn't really an engage support as much as he's an anti-poke/disengage support)

4) Right before you die. You kind of have to do it on reaction a lot of the time, so reaction time is important (Also, for things like Zed ult, Karthus ult, etc, understanding when those abilities come out/pop makes it easier)

BROseidon · Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:21 am

In post 43188, animorpherv1 wrote:So, THIS is a build.

Yup!

BROseidon · Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:17 am

In post 43210, quadz08 wrote:BT now first item on MF

ok I can handle that

I really wish that the ADC meta would go back to BT over IE first for BF sword items.

IE first is really toxic.

BROseidon · Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:22 am

One of the issues with the MF changes is that I don't think they quite do enough to define *why* you pick MF. Like, I don't think she's far enough from Graves to make it so that both of them can be balanced relative to one another.

BROseidon · Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:56 am

In post 43231, Cabd wrote:Because games can be decided by RNjesus?

This. Laning phase with ie rush turns into whoever crits first.

BROseidon · Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:37 am

In post 43234, Cabd wrote:I wish instead of them doing what they did on ashe rework that crit was like that for every ADC.

This.

I've talked with people on the design/balance team about it before, and their argument is "well, the numbers are high enough that there's decent consistency and then historical reasons," which is pretty bleu.

BROseidon · Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:09 am

In post 43246, zoraster wrote:what is interesting is that crit in its current form operates somewhat as an evening factor. If everyone played ADC just building straight AD all the time and just shot at each other a bunch, the one with more items would win every time. But in a duel between someone with an IE and someone with an IE+Zeal, even though the one is 1.1k ahead, there is a not-tiny chance that the person who is behind will come out ahead (getting 2 crits at 20% while the other guy gets 0 crits at 30% will easily make up for the difference in attack speed)

This is a bad thing because the randomness removes skill.

BROseidon · Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:36 am

League of Legends is first and foremost a competitive game. Randomness should not exist in competitive games in any capacity.

BROseidon · Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:52 pm

In post 43255, Voidedmafia wrote:How would they make that work for the other adc's, anyways? Or for anyone else who would do a crit-like build (Tryn, GP, etc.)

Crit increases damage of auto attacks by x%.

BROseidon · Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:53 pm

In post 43260, Psyche wrote:
In post 43254, BROseidon wrote:League of Legends is first and foremost a competitive game. Randomness should not exist in competitive games in any capacity.

that's not true at all
are you being sarcastic?

I'm not.

At this point, League of Legends holds more value as an esport than as an actual game. Randomness removes it's seriousness as something competitive.

BROseidon · Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:54 am

In post 43313, PJ. wrote:He's mindlessly TPing back into lane, by all accounts that's not what the spell is for. It's awful because the guy who got killed or forced out actually doesn't lose anything. And that's annoying. Sometimes it can even pit him up and that is bullshit. Simply by having TP you have the ability to win a lane by losing it, which opens up everything guys are saying about 4v2 and w/e. Take TP out of the game. It's anti player choice and anti player skill. Or at least nerf it back to where it was.

Actually that is partially what it's for. They specifically made the cd shorter on buildings to make it harder to snowball top lane because the top laner deciding the game is fucking stupid.

BROseidon · Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:55 am

In post 43315, PJ. wrote:Yeah, if you can't hard beat your lane opponent you are a scrub and deserve to lose. You don't deserve to make an impact. Season 2 snowball top meta was the best. Now too much bitchassness in top lane. I mostly play ADC because it.

Tl;dr: you're the type of player who makes league less fun to play.

BROseidon · Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:56 am

The funny part about this conversation is that there are multiple ways in which one can win because league is a strategically complex game with multiple viable strategies.

BROseidon · Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:39 am

In post 43327, PJ. wrote:
BROseidon wrote:The funny part about this conversation is that there are multiple ways in which one can win because league is a strategically complex game with multiple viable strategies.

And I'm allowed to say I hate that, right? You all can say I'm wrong, that's fine, but I hate teleport. To me it makes the game less fun and way more forgiving. I think the majority of the time people are using simply to stay afloat in a lane they are getting killed in. I think that shouldn't be allowed. That punishes skill. I thought that was something that shouldn't happen. It's a super versatile spell that lets bad laners stay in the game. Long live flash punch ignite.

The reason that you hate it is that you define skill differently from the riot designers and hate that they force you have knowledge of the game past 10 minutes.

BROseidon · Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:40 am

In post 43329, Oman wrote:I just think that 5 people on one team playing with that strategy is leading to A) a loss, and B) some toxic chat.

This.

League is a team game, and you get further treating it as such.

BROseidon · Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:37 am

In post 43355, PJ. wrote:
In post 43352, BROseidon wrote:
In post 43327, PJ. wrote:
BROseidon wrote:The funny part about this conversation is that there are multiple ways in which one can win because league is a strategically complex game with multiple viable strategies.

And I'm allowed to say I hate that, right? You all can say I'm wrong, that's fine, but I hate teleport. To me it makes the game less fun and way more forgiving. I think the majority of the time people are using simply to stay afloat in a lane they are getting killed in. I think that shouldn't be allowed. That punishes skill. I thought that was something that shouldn't happen. It's a super versatile spell that lets bad laners stay in the game. Long live flash punch ignite.

The reason that you hate it is that you define skill differently from the riot designers and hate that they force you have knowledge of the game past 10 minutes.

It's not that I don't have the knowledge, I just think it's fucking boring. I hate how long games go now. I kinda hate league most of the time because it's too much dick sucking your team to do the right thing and not enough snowball smashing fools that get in your way when you did your job and got fed.

Average game length has barely changed.

BROseidon · Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:46 am

It was 38 in s2

BROseidon · Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:16 am

Memory. I used to look at lolking a lot.

The issue was that games back then were more 1-sided, but nobody ever actually closed out games.

BROseidon · Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:16 am

Also the later turrets used to be harder to kill, making it easier to turtle.

CLG.eu vs. M5 wouldn't be possible today.

BROseidon · Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:52 am

Because you have no leadership abilities and are probably not counter-productive to games ending.

BROseidon · Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:06 pm

Malz jungle is AD

BROseidon · Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:05 am

WARWICK IS BACK? TIME TO SPAM SOLOQUEUE WOOHOO

BROseidon · Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:19 am

In post 43525, PJ. wrote:Red devourer, mobis, bork, wits. I go triforce on top of that. With a banshees

Id say this is pretty close. Devourer/botrk/wit's/mobis core, with 1 armor item and 1 flex item. I'd probably go FF/FH/randuin's for armor and then last item bveil/FM/warmogs depending on the situation

BROseidon · Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:23 am

I feel like there have to be better damage options for the on-hit synergy.

BROseidon · Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:54 am

Holy fuck Elise is dumb right now.

Just played her support. 1.6 second stun at level 2 is very broken combined with her early damage.

BROseidon · Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:32 pm

In post 43662, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 43656, BROseidon wrote:Holy fuck Elise is dumb right now.

Just played her support. 1.6 second stun at level 2 is very broken combined with her early damage.

She's back to her state where you can instalock her then say "fill"

Pretty sure ADC and mid Elise are both bad.

But yeah that stun duration needs to get fucking nerfed.

BROseidon · Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:19 am

Corki is an adc. Adc's literally exist to take turrets down during sieges, which Corki is good at.

It's why they're the only required role in the game with little variation. You can replace a true support with a support Mage or support tank, you can replace a Mage with a support Mage or an assassins, you can have bruisers or tanks top and jungle, but adcs are always required to take out turrets (except you can have an urgot when riot buffs him too much since he sort of kills turrets and fucks adcs hard)

BROseidon · Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:31 am

In post 43746, KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:Consider Righteous Glory core on 99% on your supports. It's just too good to leave behind. Combined with Talisman it's actually pretty crazy

No.

RG is for top laners and junglers.

BROseidon · Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:10 am

If you have a rumble/riven top, your jungler should be getting it. If you have a yi/udyr jungler, your top laner should be getting it. If both those things are true, then your team doesnt need it.

BROseidon · Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:11 am

Like, if the only supports I would want RG on are Leona, Naut, and Taric.

BROseidon · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:03 am

In post 43797, zoraster wrote:
In post 43793, hiplop wrote:mord will never be played botlane instead of an adc ???

Be pretty powerful in a lane swap scenario since he gets solo exp even when a support is around. But I agree... hard to replace a ranged sustained damage dealer.

Nope, ADCs do shit damage to champs!

You just need a way to siege/kill turrets!

BROseidon · Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:07 am

Cait is a terrible beginner ADC. You all are being dumb.

BROseidon · Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:53 am

In post 43854, zoraster wrote:Of course most mids and adcs do their damage much differently. Mids do a lot more burst damage. Which is great if you're just targetting squishy targets in isolation, but grouped up with tanks, you're kind of in trouble if you can't bring the sustained damage of an ADC to the party.

Or have a, you know, sustained damage mage.

Or melee carry.

Or bruiser-carry.

Or AD assassin.

Or you can run a double-bruiser comp with a mage, which beats ADC+Mage+tank.

ADC's don't do bad damage, but they do 95% of the damage of midlaners (which, by the way, includes support-mages like Lulu and Ori whose main purpose isn't to deal damage) while having less utility and generally being weaker in most non-objective taking contexts. They are mandatory on every team (unlike every other class of champion) because of they fact that you have to kill turrets.

BROseidon · Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:59 am

Cait is bad for beginners because her high-range means that you have to understand how to abuse range in order to be effective at all with her.

Nobody below high gold/low plat understands how to abuse range.

BROseidon · Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:04 am

In post 43876, zoraster wrote:
In post 43874, BROseidon wrote:
In post 43854, zoraster wrote:Of course most mids and adcs do their damage much differently. Mids do a lot more burst damage. Which is great if you're just targetting squishy targets in isolation, but grouped up with tanks, you're kind of in trouble if you can't bring the sustained damage of an ADC to the party.

Or have a, you know, sustained damage mage.

Or melee carry.

Or bruiser-carry.

Or AD assassin.

Or you can run a double-bruiser comp with a mage, which beats ADC+Mage+tank.

ADC's don't do bad damage, but they do 95% of the damage of midlaners (which, by the way, includes support-mages like Lulu and Ori whose main purpose isn't to deal damage) while having less utility and generally being weaker in most non-objective taking contexts. They are mandatory on every team (unlike every other class of champion) because of they fact that you have to kill turrets.

If ADCs were really just about Turret killing, you'd probably expect ADCs that excel at taking down turrets to do the best in terms of winning, no? Except Tristana, who is basically Queen of the Turret takedown, has a 48.54% win rate, which is good 15th out of 17, not including Urgot.

Being there because turrets have to get taken down does not equate to power being tied strictly to ability to take turrets.

BROseidon · Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:34 pm

So Tahm Kench is really fucking good.

Don't even have to use his R and he's powerful. His W is fucking insane.

BROseidon · Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:21 am

In post 43885, hitogoroshi wrote:
In post 43874, BROseidon wrote:
In post 43854, zoraster wrote:Of course most mids and adcs do their damage much differently. Mids do a lot more burst damage. Which is great if you're just targetting squishy targets in isolation, but grouped up with tanks, you're kind of in trouble if you can't bring the sustained damage of an ADC to the party.

Or have a, you know, sustained damage mage.

Or melee carry.

Or bruiser-carry.

Or AD assassin.

Or you can run a double-bruiser comp with a mage, which beats ADC+Mage+tank.

ADC's don't do bad damage, but they do 95% of the damage of midlaners (which, by the way, includes support-mages like Lulu and Ori whose main purpose isn't to deal damage) while having less utility and generally being weaker in most non-objective taking contexts. They are mandatory on every team (unlike every other class of champion) because of they fact that you have to kill turrets.
'

there are plenty of non adcs that have great siege, and plenty of adcs who can't siege well at all. in no way is siege the definitional trait of an ad carry.

the point of an ad carry is that the attack damage/attack speed/crit system has a higher peak than ap/cdr or whatever, and doing that damage at range is very powerful. but it scales UP slower. But an ad carry can actually kill someone who stacks up a ton of resists which is really hard to do late game for assassins, ap carries, brusiers, etc. who aren't super fed.

now a team needs a certain amount of siege or it's vulnerable to turtling, and ad carries are often pretty good at siege. this is because the primary way to make it efficient to build into the attack damage/attack speed/crit system is to have good aspd scaling AND an aspd steriod, and aspd is a great stat when it comes to siege. And of the ad carries who don't have aspd steriods, they often build trinity force (corki) which is fantastic against turtling, or have other incentives to get a ton of attack speed from items (kalista). sure, no ones contesting that! But it's bizarre to think ad carries are REQUIRED for siege, because in a siege scenario, e.g ziggs is going to do a lot more than urgot. It's just a happy fact that the same factors that make you good at being an ad carry will generally make you good at siege.

I actually don't think ad carries are
quite
mandatory. It's partly meta calcification, which league has always been bad at, although it's slowly getting better. I think Ziggs could fill Corkis role, for example, on teams with two ad in top/mid/jungle. I think it's because MOST COMPS want to have the late game threat of a character who's strong on 6 items, which ad carries are overwhelmingly the king of. And then when your comp wants something else (willing to trade lategame for Corki's midgame), I think that the midgamey ad carries are probably just played because that's what the ad carry players are comfortable with in terms of positioning, playstyle, and what have you. When you have a Trist, Vayne, etc. you're providing something that ad carries do easily the best. But I bet Corkis and Urgots could be replaced by non-ad carries in some comps and are used chiefly due to historical accident + being familiar to the kind of player who has to always be good with Trist, Vayne, etc...

This point would be valid if team comps with ADCs were better than comps without ADCs (but still well-constructed) in team fights. Most ADCs aren't that scary on 6 items, even with the support of their team, relative to a ton of other champs (not just sustained damage mages like Cass/Karthus, but melee carries, carry-bruisers, etc). ADCs are

needed

as a class because they are the best at sieging turrets (Nashor's mages being better than, like, Vayne notwithstanding).

BROseidon · Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:37 am

In post 43895, quadz08 wrote:I think you and hito are kind of agreeing there - he's not saying that a no-ADC comp is going to be better all or most of the time - only some of the time, such as when you need siege effectiveness but don't need more AD.

For example, my bronze self could see a conceivable Yasuo-Zed solo lane comp playing with a Ziggs in the duo lane?

Thing is, stuff like that could work at all levels if ADCs weren't basically required because of their sieging abilities (or at least perceived as required b/c nobody wants to run comps that can't siege effectively). Urgot kind of bucks the trend, and hopefully the new Morde does the same.

Solo lane Cass or Karthus could totally work in theory with like Jax/Irelia/Trundle/Shyv top and like any mage mid, but the comp would only be able to take turrets via split-push which nobody wants to actually do.

BROseidon · Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:22 am

In post 43902, Banakai wrote:taking a mage botlane kind of sucks since they scale with ability levels and going in a duo lane is detrimental to that. It's like playing a really underlevel midlaner.

Taking any champ botlane kind of sucks since they scale with ability levels and going in a duo lane is detrimental to that. It's like playing with an under level champion.

BROseidon · Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:40 am

In post 43907, hiplop wrote:adcs use fewer abilities/less reliant ^

Not true for a lot of ADCs!

Graves, MF, Corki, and Lucian all exist!

BROseidon · Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:29 am

In post 43911, Banakai wrote:
In post 43906, BROseidon wrote:
In post 43902, Banakai wrote:taking a mage botlane kind of sucks since they scale with ability levels and going in a duo lane is detrimental to that. It's like playing a really underlevel midlaner.

Taking any champ botlane kind of sucks since they scale with ability levels and going in a duo lane is detrimental to that. It's like playing with an under level champion.

No, ADCs primarily scale with items but thanks anyway

You know what, I give up.

We'll go back to pretending that it's season 2.

BROseidon · Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:32 am

In post 43943, hiplop wrote:the bonus on the lazer is way too good not to get right away

The bonus on laser is really fucking broken and needs to be nerfed, honestly.

BROseidon · Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:33 am

In post 43946, JasonWazza wrote:However your Cho'gath, so you don't really lose any lane assuming you can half competently CS.

And if your AP, then you beat Ez pretty easily because your combo beats his escape.

Malzahar disagrees. There are a few other mids that give Cho trouble, but Malz is probably his worst matchup.

BROseidon · Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:34 am

In post 43947, quadz08 wrote:AP

I figured he'd be able to poke me down, but I guess I just outsustain him too hard early

It's not just that, but also his lack of wave clear pre-runeglave (which is when you're most vulnerable) that makes the matchup strongly in Cho's favor.

BROseidon · Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:46 am

In post 43964, Voidedmafia wrote:Hey, if I wanted to go Naut top, what's my gameplan (runes, masteries, item build)?

9/21/0, taking 5% CDR over AS. 5% CDR + tankiness in runes, build tank.

BROseidon · Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:12 am

In post 44011, Cabd wrote:My ping from my office is 1, for the record~

Lucky

BROseidon · Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:13 am

My ping should go from like 80 to like 30, though

BROseidon · Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:48 am

In post 44185, Draynth wrote:^That's what I do haha. People are always like... WTH, why are you taking ghost and flash? Take ignite... etc etc.
I much prefer the safety of having double mobility spells late game. It always lets me do so much more damage in the long run, especially with all of the juggernauts running around scaring me haha

Depends on the mage, but yeah, if you're getting flamed for taking ghost on TF, the people flaming you are dumb.

BROseidon · Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:09 am

Kennen support is now a thing.

ADC Kennen was a thing for a while, too.

BROseidon · Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:09 pm

Rylai's/Liandry's is better than RoA/Liandry's.

RoA is just not in a good spot at this point.

BROseidon · Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:25 pm

In post 44441, mykonian wrote:RoA got buffed on the same patch. Not to the same silly extent as liandry's, but a buff nontheless. The issue I have and will have with rylai's on singed is that you basically buy it for the reduced slow (even if you get 5% extra post buff) on his poison. There are times where this is key, but otherwise you get a massive aoe slow in your kit, use that. For the tank stats, I think there are better items.

The point of getting the slow is that it minimally just increases your damage by 5% and maximally makes it literally impossible to chase or escape you.