Timeshift Mafia IV Mafia PT

[Latrodectus]

Yeah I'd much rather be town too. But we have to be confident and not panic.

~Akarin

*PANICS*

[Latrodectus]

fuck

me

LOL

[Latrodectus]

rolling scum in this playerlist is going to be a really bad time

I'll try but I doubt I'll be able to fool people

[Latrodectus]

You're famously great at scum as of half an hour ago now, so it's doubly bad.

Think we should do that self-vote joke?

Also do we want to do anything to disguise things somehow, like try to make me post more than I'm used to or something? I wasn't going to but with Krazy I fell into posting a lot less than him while memeing and asking a few pointed questions, and we could try to obviously and largely shift it up somehow.

Also we could try to be a fully synchronized hydra or something and use that as an excuse to play a bit differently?

~Akarin

[Latrodectus]

Posted that here because I want Roster and S_S feedback on this stuff too, but on that note, how much should we dump in our hydra PT and how much should we just dump everything in here at night?

Like do you two (Roster and S_S) want to keep this thread relatively free of hydra spam when it's open, or do you mind if we post a lot and leave giant lists and stuff just lying around?

[Latrodectus]

maybe

honestly as long as we can get through D1, we can just nuke RC and I think the rest of the playerlist shouldn't be too hard to work around

I think mastina by herself I'd be able to handle

[Latrodectus]

Mephistophanes 39 <- Nancy will probably catch me at some point but I don't think she has the charisma to push us down, Aristophanes is a nonfactor I think
Latrodectus <- scumbutt
TTTT <- not afraid of him
Mastina <- will catch me at some point, famous for not having charisma though :V although if she can yell loud enough she can probably destroy any cred this slot has and I won't be able to push things anymore
Rainbow Reads <- no idea who this is
Light_ganski <- probably not a threat(?) hard to tell, I've only seen her scumgame
Time Devil <- mislynch bait
Rightodude <- seems to be new? probably not too big of a threat
Rosterfoster <- scumbutt
Ceejayvinoya <- don't remember anything about him :V probably not too standout?
Yahmose <- absolutely not a threat
RadiantCowbells <- single biggest threat in the town
Something_Smart <- scumbutt

[Latrodectus]

actually yeah, this will mostly just be a grueling couple of days, but otherwise will hopefully go much better once we have the problem players gone

I just hope we don't get too fucked by replacements tbh

[Latrodectus]

So do we want to use our 1 non-timeshift NK on N1 to take out RC (I vote yes) and get around any timeshifted doctor protection?

Or do we want to save it for LYLO shenanigans?

~Akarin

[Latrodectus]

yes we should use it on RC N1

[Latrodectus]

btw I want to start the game by trolling

[Latrodectus]

maybe I should let akarin take the reins at first, that's justifiable for me in some sense at least :V

Not sure, I'll need to find something to latch onto I'd we go that route

[Latrodectus]

RC will never townread me, I'm just worried he will decide to lolkill this slot because of it

I'm more worried about mastina if anything

[Latrodectus]

let's play that by ear and decide n1

[Latrodectus]

Re hydra I don't think you guys need to dump everything in here. It's probably a good idea to pretend you're town in the hydra PT, idk how you guys decided to do it. (You can use ooc for scum stuff if you want, and then dump THAT stuff in here at night.)

probably the best idea actually

[Latrodectus]

If you want we could plan a bunch of dominating the thread with tonight or tomorrow night. It’s 17:53 where I am right now (UK), so if there was a time where we were all available we could do that. I could do this most evenings probably, although not tomorrow evening (although I could do tomorrow afternoon).

The time of this post and the next few hours after this are when I'm most available on average, although I'm on and off a lot over the course of the day and night and it tends to be pretty chaotic.

Although not sure I can plan out any theater that would especially look like TvT right now, not even sure I've appeared super TvT as town arguing with other town.

~Akarin

[Latrodectus]

I think our best bet to win this is to try to form interactions that look very not SvS. A perfect victory is a pipe dream so we should plan our interactions around flips occurring. But no daytalk is a huge blow to that... (That's why I'm a fan of daytalk. It increases scum cohesion making it feel like much more of a team effort.)

I'm SHIT at this

I think in my case I need to build fake SvS associatives if at all, I think I can fake enough content to get through day 1 at least if I can keep from being RC's top scumread

other than that I'm not overly worried(?), I don't think Nancy is especially a threat to me and Mastina will probably be okay with me as long as I SOUND like I know what I'm doing

[Latrodectus]

ftr I bet you anything RC, if he scumreads this slot, will be specifically looking for theatre from me

[Latrodectus]

tbh I think we have decently good odds

this is the type of game that is really rough very early on but becomes a breeze after enough time has passed

I think we actually rolled a pretty good scumteam for this playerlist, really I think only my slot will be under a lot of scrutiny day one, but it's not entirely certain(?)

[Latrodectus]

If one of us actually gets guilted, the Janitor power doesn't accomplish much does it? Cop claims guilty and something messes with the lynch doesn't look like a scum play, I think it'd be hard to get the cop lynched the next day based on that, looks like scum messing around with stuff.

The D1 usage has a big psychological impact I think, it is demoralizing.

The most powerful use of the power would be the day before LYLO probably, but you'd have to live that long.

Since it only delays the flip for a day cycle we still have to count on distancing anyway.

So I'd rather use it early.

~Akarin

[Latrodectus]

Mastina has a cray high burden of proficiency impression of Ank though, need to be careful of that, I kind of want to kill her before too long because of that. Or figure out how to make her super disruptive. She was scum's biggest asset as town in the Anime game I think.

~Akarin

[Latrodectus]

Or figure out how to make her super disruptive. She was scum's biggest asset as town in the Anime game I think.

~Akarin

ftr this is literally impossible while I'm alive

[Latrodectus]

BUT

if I can fool her into townreading me, she will not be a threat at all

OR

I can 'openwolf' in her eyes and try to out-charisma her

that's entirely possible to pull off but a lot riskier

[Latrodectus]

roster I think you'll be pretty much fine d1

worst case I can try to shield you if I get generally townread

S_S I think I'll be mostly not dealing with you D1 unless you do something crazy that I have to prod about

I think eventually I'll trend towards mid-strong townreads on both of your slots

if I'm feeling REALLY spicy I might even fight RC tooth and nail if he catches one of you

[Latrodectus]

I think I can come up with excuses from old games to meta read Roster as town later.

~Akarin

[Latrodectus]

Not sure, just meant I'd been looking at a bunch of old games that you were in recently.

I do think you're posting more than I'd expect but I'm not exactly a Roster expert.

[Latrodectus]

Here's a distancing thought for later:

I make a reachy push on one of you guys and then we have hydra dissonance and Ank disagrees with me and we move our vote back elsewhere.

[Latrodectus]

I'll have to wait until something would actually ping me though. I'm sure there will be something.

[Latrodectus]

I wouldn't say pretty well as much as I have a general idea for how you think enough to know that scumpings aren't necessarily indicative for you being scum

any bets for whether I hydraslip in the scumpt or the game thread more

[Latrodectus]

I think the real bet is which of us is worse.

I'm really trying but wait until I'm trying to post late at night or something.

I'm not even egoing in the main thread because I figure I'll screw up eventually. If I don't by Day 2 I guess I'll give myself a medal and then ego post.

[Latrodectus]

btw I'm going to be pushing a scum mastermind narrative at some point this game

[Latrodectus]

Worried RC's 1-shot BP claim could be legit (but like reasonably high chance of a fakeclaim too obv) so do we think it might be timeshifted in some way where, if he really is 1-shot BP the instant NK shot would get around it?

S_S, you've read the previous timeshift games, right? Was there anything like this in those?

~Akarin

[Latrodectus]

this game is next level

[Latrodectus]

Cool beans?

[Latrodectus]

I don't think that D1 could have gone much better

[Latrodectus]

I think roster is the only slot not in a pretty good spot atm and even then it's not all that bad

Nancyslot is a pressure point for me and she died calling me town, so that's less pressure on us

I feel bad for it but I think RC is... not going to be an issue anymore :/

[Latrodectus]

I'm not sure why I posted that

[Latrodectus]

Latrodectus - scumbutt
Rosterfoster - scumbutt
Something_Smart - scumbutt

TTTT - kinda feel like he's not really a reads threat, more a hard to mislynch town threat
Mastina - potentially a future threat? I think she's pretty docile atm and she historically is not very accurate in games; she's the most likely slot to catch ME specifically though
Rainbow Reads - not really impressed(?) I feel like they're a potential mislynch
Light_ganski - potential mislynch
Time Devil - potential mislynch
Rightodude - potential mislynch
Firebringer - maybe a mislynch? might be too risky to persue in actuality though
Yahmose - potential mislynch
Prince of Renais - don't even want to think about it atm

[Latrodectus]

is it funny that TTTT seems like the best kill at a glance?

[Latrodectus]

I have BoP to have opinions on the night kills and how they fit into the game

[Latrodectus]

I think yahmose always shoots mastina n1 as a vig or something

[Latrodectus]

actually I'm not certain that she shoots mastina as a vig

I think she would probably shoot RC actually

[Latrodectus]

or I could roleblock her :V

[Latrodectus]

we are an unlimited RB!

[Latrodectus]

actually

how do you guys feel about trying to shoot somebody who is the most likely to

investigate

us as an investigative?

[Latrodectus]

any of us

[Latrodectus]

I think firebringer actually would, I get the feeling he's on to me

mastina has a lot of BoP on me specifically but she's well aware that copping me is never a good idea so I strongly doubt she would do that

[Latrodectus]

that's NAI

but yes

[Latrodectus]

I 100% knew that was coming

[Latrodectus]

@Mod can you give him a hug for me please

[Latrodectus]

Cool beans?

It was quite juvenile.

I’m playing up to the old ‘not giving reasons’ meta that people seem to townread me for for some reason so I should be fine.

I’ll have a think about NK’s.

I'm thinking we should make a point of townreading you for this at some point tomorrow maybe? People will want to look at the wagon I think and maybe it's a good time to bring this up.

~Akarin

[Latrodectus]

Yahmose softed a killing power, they might not be a terrible kill.

Not even a soft, and we know they are town so more likely true. I like this kill I think right now.

And either way no one sees a flip if we don't use our fast kill (and I agree we shouldn't so I think that's unanimous) so it's just low information until like Day 4 when anyone interesting turns up dead. Which could be pretty demoralizing.

[Latrodectus]

actually

how do you guys feel about trying to shoot somebody who is the most likely to

investigate

us as an investigative?

This was my thought, I don't think Yahmose kills any of us probably.

[Latrodectus]

So I guess I like
Kill: Yahmose
RB: Firebringer

Don't use other powers.

~Akarin

[Latrodectus]

Regardless of whether it's NAI or not, do we think people are likely to read RC's replaceout as town?

[Latrodectus]

Most likely yes

[Latrodectus]

Firebringer is a bigger day play threat, Yahmose really is not in any universe and even if she has a killing role, I bet anything she will out it tomorrow

Firebringer is the most likely to catch this slot and we need to be alive since we are the roleblocker

[Latrodectus]

So you think kill Firebringer?

Yeah I think that's much safer

Yahmose will be hard to mislynch without mastina on our side on that (she WILL catch me if I even try) but she's really no threat at all regardless of read strength

Nobody will ever take her seriously

[Latrodectus]

I'll try to get my willpower high enough to have a presence day 2

Ive been trying to work out with Akarin on how to mimic my thought processes well enough to fool Nancy and mastina and hopefully I'll have enough of a grasp to be able to form some kind of push

I think if I can get a strong enough basis, I can sway people to lynch who I want them to, the main obstacle is confidence :V

[Latrodectus]

Mastina is going to expect me to have a presence so if there's suggestions for pushes, I'll gladly take them

[Latrodectus]

It has to be PMed

[Latrodectus]

Yahmose outright claimed a killing role already, do we think she's lying?

And I'm totally on board with a FB kill. I think it will make me play better if nothing else.

We're still planning on not having him show up dead until D3 though right?

So glad we have 2 days, not 24 hours or something

~Akarin

[Latrodectus]

Do we really want to RB Yahmose though?

What are the odds she kills one of us? If her reads are bad it's better for us to let a vig shoot isn't it?

[Latrodectus]

Just looked, Yahmose has no reads other than scum Nancy. So...

Do we let the wild card potentially shoot? Odds are still probably in our favor I think? I wouldn't vig us anyway, except maybe Roster. And there's always the chance it's vengeful or something not actual vig.

[Latrodectus]

Fuscosco seems lurkerish but like an actual reasonable person, which makes them better than a good chunk of this player list[/meangirls]. RC most prefers being VT, right? So is he more likely to have an important PR if he flakes?

[Latrodectus]

Okay, yeah I've been looking through the other players and I don't have a strong reason to want to RB anyone else in particular anyway.

Should we send the RB Yahmose command? (I can be around to submit tomorrow if we want to talk more)

[Latrodectus]

Roleblock: Yahmose

sent

[Latrodectus]

If I need to make a push today, any ideas for who?

[Latrodectus]

Janitoring a Mastina lynch seems like an

amazing

use of that ability doesn't it?

~Akarin

[Latrodectus]

And then we blow the fast kill on FB tonight?

[Latrodectus]

wot

we have a kill on firebringer that resolves tonight

[Latrodectus]

akarin we need a story for what happened behind the scenes

either the scumread on fire was legitimate and you talked me out of it, or the scumread was a reaction test

[Latrodectus]

it's probably much easier to spin it as a reaction test tbh

it's kind of funny how little fire knows about my playstyle

[Latrodectus]

Problem is I am legitimately still mad at FB. Every time I read the game or come back to look at it he's trying to start this crap again or blaming me for starting something or just generally being an asshat.

It is true though that as town I'm very paranoid of rage scumreading people. We can probably use that (I did vote Gustavo in a rage once, and have a tendency to scumread Bujaber, but usually I think I try to not equate obnoxious with scum) Not sure I've said that out loud much but I might have somewhere. Not that FB knows that. His only experience with me was in a game where I was pretty convinced town Bujaber was scum (although I felt like we were getting along in that game, whereas here I mostly want to slap him.)

[Latrodectus]

We can probably use this but I'm not sure how. I wouldn't know how to handle the situation and would be inclined to just lurk out of it and not say anything as town though, so at least that is consistent.

[Latrodectus]

I mean in all seriousness I did have a moment of wanting to threaten a replace out but that's against the rules and I swore never to abandon my lambpal.

Also I think Mastina is hilarious with this gimmick and it's by far the most enjoyable thing about this game to me. That and TD's bizarre lack of understanding of anything. Like every time people seem to be discussing if Mastina really does have information from the future it cracks me up, and that keeps me going. And I kind of want to tell FB that but I also am just sick of interacting with him and kind of want to blacklist him after this game even though my blacklist was me saying I'd never play with Yume/Nico/Joan again and then immediately playing in another game with her.

[Latrodectus]

I'm spending time with some friends of mine that I've barely seen in months atm but I'll be around here to talk when I can

[Latrodectus]

I should be around more tomorrow, I need to sleep.

Goodnight and have fun with your friends!
~Akarin (so we don't give roster and S_S too much of a headache reading this)

[Latrodectus]

and I just stopped

rip

good night

[Latrodectus]

I really hope that's convincing enough

I'm pretty sure I tripped Nancy's tell but thankfully she's not here anymore

[Latrodectus]

If I generally get sheeped, it will allow me to assume TTTT is scum and play around that to hopefully lead another mislynch

[Latrodectus]

Wait, how many people are alive?

[Latrodectus]

TTTT lynched d2
Firebringer killed n2
Rightodude lynched d3
??? killed n3
??? killed n3

is literally GG

WTF

[Latrodectus]

I think we literally just win the game if I'm taken seriously enough to hardlead a lynch here

that's actually insane.

[Latrodectus]

ftr I'm going to assume Fuscosco's a bulletproof of some sort because I can buy there being one in this setup considering there's the potential for THREE FLIPS IN A SINGLE NIGHT

but otherwise at a glance we literally just win by mega outplaying town mechanically

wtf

[Latrodectus]

ftr I'm assuming atm that the setup is

Non-Timeshifted Vig
3-shot Cop
Backup Cop
??? PR (bulletproof?)
5 VTs

vs

Roleblocker
Goon
1-shot Lynch flip Timeshifter
(1-shot untimeshifted factional NK)

I feel like that should roughly be balanced?

Especially since we have massive drawbacks in that we don't have passive daytalk and our kills are by default delayed a night

[Latrodectus]

btw I don't think Fuscosco is enough of a threat to be worth trying to shoot in case the bulletproof was a real claim

I think it's a lot easier to just try for the N3 victory

[Latrodectus]

and the best part is that if we go for this plan, I don't think it can backfire unless firebringer got doctored and somehow guilties one of us or firebringer is bulletproof or we hit a bulletproof/doc protect

and even then, it only becomes a weird situation for us if we have two kills on N3

I don't have to change my play based on the kill because the N2 flip will be a N1 kill

uhhhhhhh

[Latrodectus]

SOMETHING_SMART AM I MISSING SOMETHING?

[Latrodectus]

I feel like this setup is hilariously scumsided if this all is true but on paper the setup looks... fine(?????)

[Latrodectus]

actually

the vig claiming D1
the vig shooting the cop N1
the backup cop having to claim D2

and scum not having to use the instakill nor the janitor d1

all kinda advantages to us.

[Latrodectus]

plus the vig is permablocked now

and even if the vig CAN'T be blocked, we can just adjust for it and we almost certainly still win on N3 anyways even if one of us gets vigged

so

[Latrodectus]

actually an unblockable vig will only stop us from being able to win with a D3 mislynch if Yahmose vigs scum twice in a row

and that's going to be very unlikely since there's only one scum in the lolpurgethis list

[Latrodectus]

if the game really is this easy

then lol

[Latrodectus]

What are the odds that fusco is a 1shot BP sk?

[Latrodectus]

there's one other beautiful thing I didn't mention

if TTTT and Firebringer flip!, then I can push mastina and I bet she will locktown me after an engagement

[Latrodectus]

Lol

[Latrodectus]

SK is probably Yahmose or Fuscosco though if there is one

[Latrodectus]

Here's a lead rist since we probably need one.

[Town]

Latrodectus

(good posting and pushing)

Fuscosco

(besides the opening post which is scummy, you seem towny with good analysis)

rosterfoster

(good questions I guess)

Something_Smart

(you still ping me as neutral)

Rainbow Reads

(your ISO is mostly dry of info, though the questioning seems genuine)

--Green Line--

TTTT

(The meme posts actually detract from town's info)

rightodude

(Very lurky and confusing, pushed his own wagon at one point)

--Red Line--

Yahmose

(Scummy claim, and very lurky)

mastina

(you're not from THE FUTURE and you saying Mephistophanes was always town seems like you're trying to cover up your mistakes)

Firebringer

(your cop claim is incredibly convenient when you got SRed for lolhammering town. Placing my bets on Firebringer being scum. FWIW the opening post is a scum claim)

[Scum]

I refuse to vote above the green line. Below the red line is where I'd feel comfortable lynching.

-TL

these reads are so tragic

[Latrodectus]

tbh I only really care about firebringer and mastina's responses

I strongly doubt any other town in this PList can tell whether that push is fake or not

[Latrodectus]

yes use the janitor today

[Latrodectus]

I am very paranoid of insomnia's reasons for replacing into a dead game like this

[Latrodectus]

insomnia doesn't strike me like the type of person to replace into games willy nilly

I don't feel like he's ever done that before to my knowledge

[Latrodectus]

oh well I'm probably just panicking

I panic a lot as scum

[Latrodectus]

I think it's irrelevant whether we target him with the slow kill today, the fact kill tomorrow, or leave him, the result is exactly the same

the only different scenario is fastkilling him today

[Latrodectus]

I sent a roleblock onto insomnia

[Latrodectus]

nah we shouldn't

if we get a mislynch today then we get to 6p with two kills and he's permaroleblocked anyways, not an issue