i procrastinated opening this dead thread
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Haven't read all dead thread yet, I'm probably very interested in what Koba has to say, but my investigation turned up with "no result" which is weird since I was nightkilled so what's the point of even blocking me.-
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I thought your legacy was Cook&Aureal scum together.In post 3, DkKoba wrote: nice.
also i am kinda annoyed ppl think i died with a legacy of cook town when i specifically said cook probably scum in both aureal town and scum worlds lol
fwiw i dont regret killing aureal bc their role talk was choking the thread state and ppl were just playing amway + i dont get why ppl arent looking at who bingle hooded as a traitor ??-
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I agree Aureal's thing was choking discussion badly, I slightly regret killing, partly because she probably could've roleblocked AniX from killing me.-
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Oh hi Theta, seems you're dead so my night action wouldn't have mattered anyway.
Anyway, ofrhz is basically conftown now for killing Yimmy so that's nice. 4 dead town and 2 dead scum by Day 3 sounds good to me.-
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Also, I think my flip explains why I thought fullclaiming was pointless.-
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Oh turns out mod made an error, my investigation went through and Cook was scum.
So this game could've been a flawless townsweep if voted Cook over Aureal.-
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I still think Cook 90% dies today since Ranger is apparently town and Ranger isn't gonna give up on limming her.
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Woah nice rantIn post 5, xyzzy wrote: something i believed on some level before going in was that i would get a setup that i could fully parse once i had the whole thing available to me. and that's probably true for a lot of setups where you design it yourself: you may not figure out all the intentions beforehand, but you know broadly speaking how each role should function, and importantly, the precise wording of each role PM is a thing you had a hand in. once you get handed a bunch of roles that other people designed, you suddenly have to start asking yourself questions like, okay, this Amway recruitment ability doesn't say it targets a player, and it doesn't function in the way that a targeting action would, and the role has other abilities that *do* target, and those are clearly a thing where you're sending an action to the moderator. so i guess the recruitment isn't an ability that targets a player, which means if someone gets it who has restrictions on who they can target, then that ability ignores those restrictions? sure. that works. but then this other PM mentions that it can't be "recruited into the main faction." what's the main faction. like, i don't think Amway is a faction, but it's a judgment call, right? it turns out running a game like this involves making way more rulings on the fly about what feels correct.
my next game is gonna be a veiled committee mini theme, and i an appointing myself one of the designers. i have tentatively designed roles, and i look forward to potentially creating an enormous headache for myself. i also have a truly fucked up idea for how i might run a veiled committee upick. that being said, i do not want to claim ownership over this concept. there's endless variations on how you could have a setup designed this way, and i could not possibly do all of them in a hundred years, so if you're reading this and thinking "hey this sounds like a truly nightmarish experience, i'd like to try it out," then by all means run with it. that being said, i'm gonna work on figuring out a format that works for eliminating the issue around discussing specific formatting that isn't just "get a blanket approval every single time i run one of these," so lemme know if you have thoughts on that. personally, i am fully in favor of players trying to suss out which groups of roles match each other, and i think it's fun to let designers lean into that. like when i ran the original incarnation of this premise, non-reviewed game, one of the roles was "John, a town Shootsmith!" and the role PM started "oh man! you're John, a town Shootsmith!" i can't recall if there was any attempt to piece together the game using who submitted what, but that was also self evidently probably not designed by the person who just submitted "mafia 1-shot neighborizer encryptor: can only use 1 shot of neighborizing" as one of their roles. personally, i think that's a unique aspect of this that is worth leaning into, and i would love to receive a set of roles from somebody where one of them is super obviously intended to look like another one of the designers wrote it and for the players to have to deal with that fact
oh also: Bingle was not an Amway consultant yet when those alleged recruitments happened! for that sort of role change, i would always, always rule that you do not have whatever new abilities are being granted by someone else's actions until i personally confirm that you have them. i told Bingle this via PM, so i think this is all an elaborate ploy. once 24 hours have officially passed and i'm definitely in the clear to let Bingle in, we can finally get the full answer regarding any possible ploys. all that to say: Bingle was only ever in the one hood but did a pretty good job convincing everyone that that was due to mechanical reasons, and now that that's "disproven," it's probably gonna get weird
My main takeaway is I would love being in the next vailed commitee and/or veiled upick, because I have some cool ideas.-
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Your flip basically confirmed Bingle as scum so yeah that was oretty dope stuffIn post 6, DkKoba wrote: i would hazard to guess that my flip being the traitor was the most + for town info at least.traitor changes the dynamics of how spew works and it could have screwed people's solves up immensely.
scum cant kill meuh now bc it'll expose another role and scum have to remove a night action role
very nice.
I looked back and saw bingle didnt actually get to neighborize anyone so that is good for town that they didnt get to contact eachother.-
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Oh so I wasn't being srupid in my interpretation? I thought if I got amway I could make everyone cop but literally everyone ignored this possibility so I thought I was just being dumb.In post 8, xyzzy wrote: oh btw something i noticed early on but after the game had started that was very much a judgment call: the Amway PM says that you gain all your recruiter's abilities, not all of their Amway abilities. 100% of the time i will always rule in favor of not having the game be trivially broken by bullshit, and "stack all the abilities onto each other so we can definitively check everyone's claims and also somehow everyone has access to the factional mafia kill????" is bullshit-
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YeahIn post 10, DkKoba wrote:
ah true MLM fashion.In post 8, xyzzy wrote: oh btw something i noticed early on but after the game had started that was very much a judgment call: the Amway PM says that you gain all your recruiter's abilities, not all of their Amway abilities. 100% of the time i will always rule in favor of not having the game be trivially broken by bullshit, and "stack all the abilities onto each other so we can definitively check everyone's claims and also somehow everyone has access to the factional mafia kill????" is bullshit
the flip was kinda underwhelming like it was being sold like it was some super awesome OP role but it literally did nothing except waste discussion time while being a glorified joat-
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I can believe that which is why I was so annoyed with Ranger's "guaranteeing" people were scum but like Cook was scum so that's all good.In post 12, xyzzy wrote: nope!! actually it's incredible how completely wrong every attempt to work out who designed what has been. Ranger's list has, like, a single correct piece of information on it-
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TrueIn post 28, DkKoba wrote: Bit of a shame that anix didnt apologize for being wrong lol-
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I think AniX thinks they did town a favor by killing me because I was "ruining the mechsolve"-
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Hopefully I don't get banned from MafiaScum, but what an arrogant idiot.In post 4008, AniX wrote: I would vig DE again and regret nothing, somehow he decided his best play was to lie about his role three times.
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Unless "I lied about my role" is somehow a lie.-
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Yeah exactlyIn post 34, DkKoba wrote:
And yet the social solve has already caught 3In post 33, DragonEater70 wrote: I think AniX thinks they did town a favor by killing me because I was "ruining the mechsolve"-
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Ofrhz pretty sureIn post 4012, camelCasedSnivy wrote: where did third death come from-
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Lol, were you thinking I'm scum just because of Bingle interaction? Xyzzy explained here what happened.In post 39, Theta Alpine wrote: i was quite certain dragoneater and ircher were scum
and was suspecting ofhrz as the last at the end ha
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Yeah, I also didn't consider that mech interaction a possibility, but it does make a lot of sense. I mean they just didn't have that power, I guess.-
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Also it's fucking hilarious that Cook basically killed their own traitor.
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Okay let's see if we can solve the game here in the dead thread:
These players are alive, 2 of them are scum:
Cook - confirmed scum due to investigation
Ranger - 90% sure town due to hard push on scum!Cook
Ofrhz - 99.9% town for killing Yimmy
Enchant - 95% town (my townread)
AniX - 95% town (idk if a scum vig would exist this game but it's not impossible)
StD - ??? (I personally tr but others might disagree)
CCS - ??? (same as std)
Katy - ???
Meuh - I somewhat tr but Drew was scummy af and Meuh might actually be well-playing scum.
Skygazer - ???
Ircher - hard tr for pushing Cook and defending Aureal in a way that didn't feel like trying to get towncred.
So obviously not everyone shares my reads, but if I were alive then game was solved as Cook + 1 out of katy/meuh/skygazer, and town has like 3 miselims (or 2 miselims and 2 vigshots if my math is correct and if we still have people with vigshots which I doubt)-
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Tbh I was slightly wary of that possibility when Bingle tried to confirm themselves iirc, which is why I waited for a VC.In post 46, Theta Alpine wrote: it had happened after they had accepted the power in our pt and i am pretty sure also after a vote count so uh
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did not have the powers yet
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Yeah I agree with you
I also had this solve for most of Day 1-
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Go town!In post 4032, Ranger wrote:
Rare as it may be, sometimes, games reallyIn post 4022, camelCasedSnivy wrote:is it just meuh/cook lmaoarethat easy.
We should alwaysassumeit's not that easy. We lose nothing by preparing to be wrong, and can potentially gain things if we are. Most games which seem too easy, are.
However, as MBOS showed, sometimes the obvscum actually are scum, with the town having accurately pinned them.
I'm definitely down to yeet Cook then Meuh to test if this game joins the rank of exceptions to the rule.
VOTE: Cook.
Lol this is basically a scum claimIn post 4033, Cook wrote: can i dissuade my wagon from voting me for any reason or is this kind of a foregone conclusion-
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YeahIn post 58, Theta Alpine wrote: meuh is the only treestumper alive right now if they are universal backup i believe so
i get the feeling that will not be an issue
either they can only treestump scum or uh
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I think Cook dies today anyway and then Meuh loses treestumping ability, so feel free to explain why Koba died.In post 57, Yimmy wrote:
this is not true (i stink at watching my mouth also)In post 29, DkKoba wrote:
Ya i died bc i was gonna tunnel cook. Still i think killing amway d1 was best for town hereIn post 24, DragonEater70 wrote: I still think Cook 90% dies today since Ranger is apparently town and Ranger isn't gonna give up on limming her.
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Oh that's interesting
But would be useless since the best play 100% is simply to ignore anything scum posts?-
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How? I mean they are conf backup, but how does that conftown them?-
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Though I also think the backup is likelier than not to be town
And thinking about it for a sec, they could've claimed Koba was the real traitor and save Bingle probably.-
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I still think second scum is in Meuh/Katy/Skygazer by pure process of elimination.-
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But thanks for letting us know that Meuh is town-
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Yeah
Honestly if this Day 1 lasted a few more real life days I think we could have solved the entire scumteam (sans traitor) on Day 1 which would be hilariously amusing.-
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And when I say "we" I mean like have an entire town consensus (except maybe AniX)-
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Tbh I feel like this game is such a guaranteed town win it doesn't even matter if they interpret everything we said completely wrong.
Like unless for some bizzare reason town decides to lim in the conftowns/town leaders, I think the PoE is small enough to just gg ez the mafia.-
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Honestly this game might end sooner (in game)/with less town deaths than MSOB.-
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I am dying hereIn post 4060, Skygazer wrote: not me gathering/analyzing a ton of DE posts trying to find crumbs only to find "btw I investigated koba"-
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First line: yooo these are my D1 locktown readsIn post 4062, ofrhz wrote: Never eliminate enchant or snivy imo
If cook is town, I think ranger is scum
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The mindmeld with ofrhz is real
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I love it that dead thread (aka me) noticed hammer before living players-
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I don't think this ever happens, KKFC is quite scummyIn post 92, DkKoba wrote: now time for alive players to lose to KKFC last because they did a silly bus vote-
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LOLIn post 4083, Korina wrote:cook was exiled today and was a mafia modifier
y'all have 72 hours to submit actions. please cc both me and xyzzy in on your actions.
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@Koba imagined if you flipped this instead of Bingle's role.-
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Like IDK if it was better for town but it sure as hell would've been funnier.
Also what the hell was the point of Cook claiming they gave bingle Hated?-
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Well I didn't get the point of bussing your partner when you are next in line for a lim either way?
Also, I wonder if nightkill technically counts as a night ability, because if it does then technically KKFC can't use Nightkill due to Amway.-
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Sorry, I just know that AniX has already figures out your plan and is going to explain how KKFC is scum by mech.In post 98, Yimmy wrote: you guys just don't understand our genius!!!!-
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Cause Katy's role is too simple to be real. Just like mine.In post 100, DragonEater70 wrote:
Sorry, I just know that AniX has already figures out your plan and is going to explain how KKFC is scum by mech.In post 98, Yimmy wrote: you guys just don't understand our genius!!!!-
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Yimmy am I right in thinking that Katy just got a really bad negative utility role and that they're true claiming?-
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What's the inconsistency?In post 107, Theta Alpine wrote: while we did suggest that amway blocked factional abilities that was not actually the case
there is already an inconsistency skygazer could catch kkfc on but not sure that will get noticed
True lolIn post 109, Cook wrote: mafia is a full time job-
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I agree. I feel like the scum roles were massively underpowered compared to the power town had.In post 112, Bingle wrote: Eh. Game was basically unwinnable mechanically.
Also, genuinely, I’m massively disappointed with the listmod submissions here. There’s just a ton of anti fun roles.-
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But also a lot of roles, like mine, CCS, yours, were just boring.-
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