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Ooh, goody.
Anti's asked for my explanation.
Now I'm off, back in a bit."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Hope you didn't
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Why I think CES is town:
To start with his early game play, his first post up to page 8, show mindset where he's trying to solve the game. His reads are visibly starting to develop however he's cautious of the wagons that form. He never jumps on psyches and elk, two wagon which are both pretty bad looking at them in hind sight.
Tammy and Aeronaut have both flipped town, I also believe that regfan is town. This leaves BBT and Zach on that first early elk wagon. I believe one of these two is scum, possibly both if ank isn't.
Meanwhile CES stays on his own wagon on his own scum-read with another flipped town: Llamarble.
His reads are during this part also solid and not "going with the flow". He's got his own thoughts and he's following them, something town should do.
He's also pretty justified in his voting of aeronaut. He'd already showed suspicion earlier and his two top solid town reads where on the wagon. Along with zach, another town read, and oversoul. If I had the same reads as him in this situation I would join it as well; it looks like a wagon which is built up off town only which usually leads to a scum lynch.
The worst people on the wagon in my opinion are ika, zach and elk. Elk however seems like lynch bait, the other two I have as scum.
He starts off the next day by pushing his scum reads, not who is most likely to get lynched, his own scum reads. Throughout the game he's been doing this, hunting and pushing scum without letting others sway him too easily.
993 is also good as he's trying to figure out if a scum!psyche had been lying and making stuff up from our team. Something more likely to be done by scum to justify changes then town.
Oh, he also didn't freak out at the wagon that grew on him at some point, no survivalism there.
Summed up I think he's town because he's avoided all blatant opportunism, he's got naturally developing reads which he sticks to and he doesn't have a survivalist attitude. I don't see him playing as scum, there's always an element of gut but I really believe this guy is town."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Oh, Anen.
Also say if questioned how I convinced you, that I also posted individual post and pointed out the town motivation in them."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Might be time to pull out that killer ika case.
If you post it here I'll add stuff I noticed.
You can then do the unexpected and actually push her.
I'll make zach case later.
And possibly BBT/Ank."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Speak of Ika's lol hammers and point to kagami in the game I died in, she lol-hammered and was scum.
Give me an afternoon and I'll post my reasons in detail."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Relook the rules, I thought that if someone's dead it's allowed. Not sure though."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Doing well, people have stopped talking about you.
Possibly ask BBT to lay of the bussing a lil' bit."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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The awful reads list is the last thing they expected, it seems to be working"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Some points you could use against ika:
She starts the game off by scum reading elk and pushing him, while never actually voting him. It doesn't make a lot of sense. Then she votes Aeronaut while he's at 4 votes without any explanation in #515. To make matters worse she then also unvotes in #519 without any explanation. This whole blotch of play is weird and feels to me like playing in a way that allows you to take any chance however the game flows. The Aero vote is also plainly opportunistic, the unvote makes it worse showing she never really scum read him.
Not to mention she says she's unvoting just so she can hammer, that's not pro-town play. I honestly don't think she gives a crumpets who's getting lynched (she conveniently forgets elk when people move off of him), a scummy mindset.
Anyone claiming this is due to lack of time or disinterest can go stick their heads in a toilet as she's actively reading other games in team mafia and aiding other team members in them. Like how she helped ZZZX in nightless where I died in.
She completely stops hunting for scum when BBT puts a scum read on her. She then tunnel's on BBT and tries to disprove the read, not pro-town and survivalistic.
Oh, she also hammers Aeronaut without ever putting a read him. This is complete bullshit and lol-hammers are something scum do as well to cause WIFOM. Just ISO kagami in vanilla nightless from team mafia.
#739 and then #754 show that's she just trying to find people who will get lynched. Once again she's not pushing anything herself except her tunnel on BBT.
#812 her read on psyche unexplainably changes to scum after being town earlier.
Basically ISO her and you'll find a tonne of points showing how she's basing her reads of who's likely to get lynched and not pushing people herself."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Heavy tunneling a player is also a good scum strategy, once again go tell them to ISO Kagami in Vanilla Nightless."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Unlucky, you played well.
Do you want to help with T-Bones/Esp's game now or do you want a replacement for that job?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Starting pre-read VCA:
Use at will:
Spoiler: Votecounts With Town Flips Coloured"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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There we go, fixed it.
Pr-Edit: Okay, was about to ask you about that."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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T-Bone
How long do you have to live?
Depending on how long we have I can either fully analyse all votes and the read while fully prepared or of short on time I can dive in quickly to the recent events and reference back to discussed events."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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##XReckonerX:
-Starts by voting Cabd (Town), likely RVS.
##TierShift:
-Starts by voting XreckonerX, likely RVS.
-Moves off XreckonerX and votes Bins (Town).
-Moves off Bins and votes Cabd (Town, Wagon 3)
-Moves of Cabd and votes Katsuki (Town, Wagon 5).
##Lady Lamb:
-Starts by voting TierShift (Wagon 2), likely RVS.
-Moves off TierShift and votes Shos (Wagon 3).
-Moves off Shos and votes Katsuki (Wagon 3).
##Shos:
-Starts by voting TierShift, likely RVS.
-Moves off TierShift and votes Lady Lamb.
-Moves off Lady Lamb and votes Cephrir.
-Unvotes
-Votes notscience.
-Moves off NS and votes Katsuki (Town, Wagon 5).
-Moves off Katsuki and votes NS.
-Moves off NS and votes T-Bone (Town, Wagon 2 of which 1 self-vote)
-Moves off T-Bone and votes Katsuki (Town, Wagon 4).
-Moves off Katsuki and votes T-Bone (Town, Wagon 4).
-Moves off T-Bone and votes Katsuki (Town, Wagon 5).
-Unvotes
-Revotes
##Cephrir:
-Starts by voting Lady Lamb, likely RVS.
-Moves off Lady Lamb and votes Shos (Wagon 2):
-Moves off Shos and votes Katsuki (Town, Wagon 4).
-Moves off Katsuki and votes Cabd (Town, Wagon 3)
-Moves off Cabd and votes Katsuki (Town, Wagon 3).
-Moves off Katsuki and votes T-Bone (Town, Wagon 3).
-Moves off T-Bone and votes xReckonerx
-Moves of xReckonerx and votes Cabd (Town, Wagon 6).
##Iecerint:
-Starts by voting Katsuki (Town), likely RVS.
-Moves off Katsuki and votes Cabd (Town, Wagon 3)
##notscience:
-Votes Shos (Wagon 3)
-Moves off Shos and votes Cephrir.
-Moves off Cephrir and votes Cabd (Town, Wagon 4).
-Moves off Cabd and votes Katsuki (Town, Wagon 5).
##who/Pirate Mollie:
-Votes Shos (Wagon 3).
-Moves off Shos and votes Katsuki (Town, Wagon 5).
-Unvotes
-Votes Cabd (Town, Wagon 2)
-Unvotes
-Votes T-Bone (Town, Wagon 2 with self-vote).
End of day 1
Doing my checks in this order:
Quick skim, opportunism check then wagon analysis and associative possibilities.
Ranked from hight to low I'd say the most opportunistic were:
Iecerint, Cephrir, TierShift, xReckonerx, Shos, Pirate Mollie/Who, Lady Lamb, Not Science.
Just this first thing has given me a scum read on Iece and Cep, and I haven't read the game yet. Is this similar to your reads?
Will do wagon analysis tomorrow, one thing I however noticed that you can use is that your wagon built up and broke down way to quickly.
Was Iece active during day 1?
If so why haven't you lynched him yet?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Tell them that two of your team mates are now dead and focused on this game, ask them to at least give us time to provide our thoughts.
Start relaying mine though.
Like that I'm checking votes and so far Iece and Ceph are looking scum in my oppinion.
Let's see if we can buy time."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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*blinks*
Have you read that shos post!
Like the page before current one?
*twitches*"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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The town's about to win the vanilla nightlesa.
1 scum left and 6 town.
Yeah, we've got one game.
Also, guess what. My scum reads were right the whole game early game.
Nobody listened by hey"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Final scum are in BBmolla/Brantz
All scum know we're lying, there's no reason to not believe us otherwise."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Really reading now.
Is Esp still alive btw or do we need to prod/replace him?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Also, T-Bone.
If your about to get lynched we can try replacing you with Aneninen. It may crack down the wagon."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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What night did Rhinox die?
TierShift is probably town though.
Same with Iece.
Notscience a scum reads starting as well.
I'm only at page 11 though, everything may change.
(Your early day play was pretty scummy.)"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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TierShift pulling up Rhinox's read looks really town to me, I was literaly thinking about doing so myself as well.
People claim Night Kill Analysis is not worth a dime, however scum do kill who they fear or who's a threat to them. Aneninen should know from the white flag, all the kills have been strategic.
Rhinox dying makes sense with shos scum.
If shos flips town however TierShift pulling it up shifts to a scummier spectrum."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Got a nagging feeling TS vs Copper early game is SvT. Can't tell which yet as they both logicaly make sense."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Copper's town, I need to think this through.
Shos's flip would shed a lot of light.
I need time to think and time to finish reading."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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That's also not the point anen, replacement causes chaos and that leads to change."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Just read the game with me keeping the flips in mind, means we can discuss it allX"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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I'm starting to think shos/lamb/tier shift is possible.
I need to read further, page 17 now.
Could you also ask everyone to halt and delay hammers as with the ending of vanilla nightless many team members are able to read these games.
I also think MS speaking to shos telling him to hammer may actually be true, except it's not town. It could be MS urging shos to hammer a scum partner to recover as much as possible."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Edited to test my theory so far."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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If he doesn't post for another day I'll replace in, I'm currentely not in any other games so I'll be fine:
I'll however continue reading your game T-Bone.
I'll start looking for a replacement of Esp."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Actually, shos is so scum it's not even funny.
That hammer is exactly like a scum not wanting to hammer but after realising that it was inevitable gaining what they could.
I can see MS urging him in-team-thread to get town cred."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Shall I start looking for possible replacements and trying to prod Espeonage?
If I start seeking players I'll also give them the choice to play as a dead slot and help us out via proxy or to directly play in the large theme. I can understand that many aren't enthusiastic about reading almost 200 pages of game.
My current thoughts for possible replacements are; Shinobi and Davesaz. Any other people that come to mind with a good town game?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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I've prodded Espeonage and I've sent requests to House, Nikanor, Davesaz, PokerFace and Shinobi to see if they'd be willing to swap in and wether they'd prefer to take a dead slot and help (me or Anen takes Esp's slot) or wether they'd like to play the 200 page large theme themselves in the case we do have to replace Esp."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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The things is T-Bone.
3/5 never respond or forget.
It's fine though as he's back
If someone doesn't post for 7 days the team looses a point, I was preparing a replacement just in case it got so far in a way it wouldn't be a last second "hope-people-reply"."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Give me a day and I'll make a case so hard on shos all will die at it's sight.
Seriously though, he's scum."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Wow I was right.
I need to be more confident in my gut reads and not over think.
Lady Lamb's not scum forget that btw."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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