BLOODBORNE: THE HUNTER'S PARTY (DAY 2)

[Mixed6]

This gladiate is ridiculous.

[Mixed6]

I'm troubled by the lack of Sensei flip with the kill.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

I don't love it at this point for reasons that we'll get into in a bit. But at least we'll get Shadow_step to talk more about that vote shifting nonsense from yesterday.

Good move on the weapon grab. We're going to be armed to the teeth in here today. When Ranger turns up I want her to grab the Threaded Cane.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

Yeah, I did catch that. But what would be the purpose of someone else shifting that vote in such bizarre ways. And why not ask the mod if it was in the wrong place (like I did several times) instead of bringing it up in that way if he hadn't caused it in some way. I'd like to have a chat in any case. Motives aren't matching up.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

Monocular is gone from the store. We could be watched today.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

What do you think of Sensei likely being town, ranger?

[Mixed6]

@Ranger, maybe pick up the threaded cane. It lets us wagon two people at once for future days (and if bosses ever need two wagons it will help.) It also keeps it out the hands of scum (or so I assume.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

Is there any item that I should be purchasing?

Get a poison knife

[Mixed6]

Furthermore, they were a strong townread of mine.

You still think Toog is scum?

[Mixed6]

Klingon will fill you in Cerb.

Ranger, what does your role do?

[Mixed6]

This is ridiculous. We're going to schedule a time we're all online and then we will speedlynch Rylai with all our weapons at once. Such incompetence and anti-towness cannot go unpunished.

[Mixed6]

@Albert B. Rampage, let me use tools to check Shadow_step's story first. I've called in the sky god. Let's see if they can listen.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

What are you doing, Zorblag? His story checks out if you read Bogre's role PM which Varsoon released. There's no reason to do this.

[Mixed6]

Your theory is that Bogre never invited anyone to the nightmare, and Shadow made that up?

[Mixed6]

No, I don't see a reason to stop at 1 town. Bogre doesn't gain anything until there are 2 town in there.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

No, I don't see a reason to stop at 1 town. Bogre doesn't gain anything until there are 2 town in there.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

He can only invite 1 town per phase. It says so right in his role PM.

[Mixed6]

Shadow is fucking town, and Rylai might be town too but is ruining the fucking game. We need to coordinate a nuke on her.

[Mixed6]

Well hurrah for Troll reading comprehension.

Ug, sorry. I can probably call off the code now and preserve some mystery if we want.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

And I'm fine with that. Can we manage it tonight with Reasonably Irrational on?

@Ranger, you still here?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

Klingon has sworn her vote(s) to us. Cerb is down for sure. Ranger will you help us speedlynch Rylai?

[Mixed6]

Do we need to rush a lynch there?

Hell yes we do. Probably later tonight, in 15-20 hours or so.

[Mixed6]

Call off the sky god? That tips our hand for the speed lynch.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

Don't vote Frozen or tip her off. We're going to coordinate the timing so we all vote her within a minute of each other so she doesn't have time to react.

[Mixed6]

Frozen claims she can end the day at any point in time she chooses. We're going to lynch her before she does that.

[Mixed6]

Yeah. Well we're gonna need to eliminate her with a speedy tactical nuke. She's too retarded to be kept alive even if on our side.

[Mixed6]

You're on board with us speedlynching Rylai?

[Mixed6]

Cerb, get the oil, get the molotov, let's end Rylai.

She is at 3 votes
+our 3
+5 from you
+one from ranger or klingon

[Mixed6]

4 votes now on R&L

We can buy an item with insight which adds a vote

+4 votes from us
+4 votes from you

= Dead

Cerb you on?

[Mixed6]

Are you guys in any other PTs besides hydra PT and this one?

[Mixed6]

We know that R&L is a beast.

We can use the following combo:

Oil Urn only affects the next incoming [FIRE] vote.
So, the sequence would be
Oil Urn to DOUSE the target
FIRE PAPER + SawCleaver Vote
This would result in 6 votes against the player, although it would only be reflected in the VC as 5 due to how Saw Cleaver works.

Then I come in and smack another 3 votes on her for the hammer = GG Frozen.

[Mixed6]

We need to act now.

[Mixed6]

It's hard to believe neither Cerb nor Elbirn have been on all day long.

[Mixed6]

Elbirn we can see you're fucking online dammit

[Mixed6]

We need you for 2 minutes

[Mixed6]

We know that R&L is a beast.

We can use the following combo:

Oil Urn only affects the next incoming [FIRE] vote.
So, the sequence would be
Oil Urn to DOUSE the target
FIRE PAPER + SawCleaver Vote
This would result in 6 votes against the player, although it would only be reflected in the VC as 5 due to how Saw Cleaver works.

Then I come in and smack another 3 votes on her for the hammer = GG Frozen.

Elbirn, you and I can finish off Frozen right now and stop most players from getting her BE.

[Mixed6]

You need to first:

Purchase: Oil Urn
Purchase: Fire Paper (privately by PM)

Then we time each other to post at the same time to hammer frozen.

You're gonna

Oil Urn: R&L
Fire SawCleaver: R&L

Varsoon confirm if this would result in 6 votes please?

[Mixed6]

We didn't receive your message, Cerb.

[Mixed6]

No, you need to purchase the oil publicly and then the fire privately

[Mixed6]

BRB in 10 min, Varsoon will come in and confirm my plan will work

[Mixed6]

Thanks. So yeah we have no idea what message you sent us last night. You need to tell is what it is.

[Mixed6]

Nothing

[Mixed6]

We killing frozen tonight or what?

[Mixed6]

Ohhhhhhhh. Yeah about that lol. Can you make your messages a lot shorter because we haven't read it yet

[Mixed6]

Let's not talk about this again. I will need Zorblag to read this.

[Mixed6]

I am very sure that shadow is town.

[Mixed6]

We can't no lynch ranger. Carson said we mechanically can't.

[Mixed6]

Shadow didn't have over half the game suspecting him that's false. He is also town because bogre invited him to the nightmare PT

[Mixed6]

Cerb you ready to kill her now or what?

[Mixed6]

Cerb we have a mechanical reason to be Huntmaster that is superior to yours.

[Mixed6]

Theres something we must do. You can be voted huntmaster tomorrow, not today, ok?

[Mixed6]

Cerb we need to do this frozen thing and do it now.

[Mixed6]

Ok a50 went ahead to try to salvage the day for us

[Mixed6]

He's going to try to get us out of the gladiator situation so we can move on with the day as if it never happened.

[Mixed6]

She's dead.

[Mixed6]

Cerb we have a mechanical reason to be Huntmaster that is superior to yours.

Theres something we must do. You can be voted huntmaster tomorrow, not today, ok?

We good?

[Mixed6]

One, we only have his word for that, and two, even if it's true there's absolutely no reason being invited to a scum's PT clears a player as being town.

It does. Bogre's PT says he only benefits (gains insight) from inviting town players. Makes no sense if he invited shadow and he's scum. Two, we can verify tonight if he's telling the truth about that PT.

[Mixed6]

In short, we can verify 100% if Shadow is confirmed town. We can't verify Rylai. She's also proven to be a loose cannon. A50 made the right call.

[Mixed6]

2458 is a scumpost, by the way.
Can't post now, but here will do.

2458 is this post:

That actually sounded reasonable from toggelo, weirdly enough I think no lynching would be more appropriate here, give nthe information that Shadow didn't know who was shooting them I guess from a town perspective it would be reasonable to decide gladiate? If I knew it was Rylai, I would be more inclined to not gladiate, but given this new info, It could be likely TvT.

[Mixed6]

From Liger. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7973747

[Mixed6]

Your ponit about shadow isn't wholly accurate. The nightmare events offered lots of potential insight for the members of the PT. Scum could have invited their own members nad intended to trigger events, kill the monsters themselves, and got lots of insight to double the scum teams voting abilities and leap into the end game.

-Cerb

Bogre somehow doesn't strike me as the type to go for an elaborate idea like that.

[Mixed6]

Why hasn't A50 shared what he's supposed to share yet ABR?

-Cerb

He doesn't understand, he needs a hint.

[Mixed6]

The type of people that would think of an idea like that are in this PT lol.

[Mixed6]

Why hasn't A50 shared what he's supposed to share yet ABR?

-Cerb

He doesn't understand, he needs a hint.

[Mixed6]

Tell me here. Don't give the hint out in public thread.

[Mixed6]

He shared it bro.

[Mixed6]

Anyway, let's scumhunt in the thread. We only need this PT to coordinate speedlynches and quickhammers.

[Mixed6]

I shared.

[Mixed6]

Cerb if I say virtue M x2 from today, does that mean anything to you?

[Mixed6]

@Reasonably Irrational, I believe that Shinobi had a reason to have insight to spare for a reason. I don't fully trust him, so I wanted to get him to use it in a pro-town way.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

@Reasonably Irrational, I have a reason to believe that he had access to at least one insight even if he used the one from the lynch for the bolt effect if he's town (as I suspect that many scum cannot gain insight, but they might be able to fake a purchase of bolt paper with a bolt effect.)

If he's incapable of gaining insight like R&L were then he'd be incapable of complying with my request, but he might also choose not to. Still, if he had formed a PT with anyone here, that would have been worth noting.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

Klingon, nudge Shinobi to use his insight to open a PT with one of us; his choice.

[Mixed6]

Klingon did you send us a message last night?

[Mixed6]

What do you think about the question the date leaves unanswered, Mixed6?

January. You're dropping the ball on us, bro.

[Mixed6]

Oh, that's easily explained.

[Mixed6]

I mean, I don't know specifically, but we can both make an educated guess about it.

[Mixed6]

Thanks Klingon! Cerb, what do you mean re: nahdia's secret?

[Mixed6]

Can you use the code to share?

[Mixed6]

It's a P x2. No doubt from town.

[Mixed6]

You started with a P 0, didn't you?

[Mixed6]

Wow

[Mixed6]

Yes, I fully understand.

[Mixed6]

This is who I think is scum:

Nahdia
Daenerys and Dragons
Zulfy
PeregrineV
Heuristic_Arrow

[Mixed6]

House too

[Mixed6]

Ask him his thoughts on Nahdia/Zulfy double lynch and if he's on board.

[Mixed6]

OK, who would you want to lynch? Zulfy, Nahdia, Dragons?

[Mixed6]

As far as I'm concerned, there are no other lynches on the table.

[Mixed6]

State a deadline. I want a lynch by then. I don't want this town headed to the actual deadline and have votes flying unpredictably. I suggest Wednesday latest.

[Mixed6]

If I don't sway the votes where I want them to be, they will end up voting players that we can't afford to have claim. This is how we eat. This is how we eat.

[Mixed6]

I'm splitting the votes between Zulfy and Nahdia.

[Mixed6]

These are the players that are on the table, guys.

Heuristic_Arrow (Ircher & Heuristically_Alone Hydra)
Daenerys and Dragons (SirCakez & lilith2013 Hydra)
Nahdia
House
Zulfy

[Mixed6]

Can you clarify the player name code to us?

[Mixed6]

Nobody understands your name code system.

[Mixed6]

We only understand your powers code.

[Mixed6]

Spell out the names using letters from your powers code list and we can understand you

[Mixed6]

....I gave an example thst should make it obvious where things start and how. :/

The two systems are connected.

Well we don't understand. Neither me nor Zorblag. You can tell us:

Fourth letter from 10th line

This would mean B.

And so on. Give us the first couple letters of each name and we'll figure out who you mean.

[Mixed6]

Ok.

Second lette of second line = I.

[Mixed6]

I understand fully.

[Mixed6]

If I'm catching you guys vibes correctly...you want a lynch on a lurker today.

[Mixed6]

Or more particularly, these two:

Heuristic_Arrow/(Yume)
Zulfy

I think we should go for the double lynch if that's what we're gonna do.

[Mixed6]

Cerb, the point of BEs is to get weapons to get lynches. Getting more shots at scum is more important than stopping scum from gaining BEs.

[Mixed6]

I want to lynch scum today.

You don't know or haven't said who is scum.

[Mixed6]

A policy double lynch, if done, should be performed on Zulfy and PV, not HA.

-Cerb

PV gets more active later in the game. That's his meta. Arrow has been acting weird during catchup.

[Mixed6]

What does your instinct tell you to do right now?

[Mixed6]

We have a double voting item, its the hunter axe. Its transformed ability allows us to vote two players at once.

[Mixed6]

Zulfy and Hastur Muriel then?

[Mixed6]

Ranger down for this?

[Mixed6]

we need the extra cash to buy an item. We will have it by day 4 so you can be huntmaster n4

[Mixed6]

I don't need it. You shouldn't have revealed about the monocle. That wasn't your call to make.

[Mixed6]

We will buy the item n4. We should be the huntmaster. Do you want to go to war with us over this?

[Mixed6]

D4*

[Mixed6]

I did, I said I don't need J. I'd like to have Y though, see if you can make that happen. The huntmaster issue is final.

[Mixed6]

You know that J would be wasted on us. I don't want G. I have S. Don't screw this up like you did with the monocle. We're a team. You can't make decisions on your own, especially when I helped you, when I trusted you. I expect more discipline.

[Mixed6]

I fully understood what you meant.

[Mixed6]

My goal? What in the world are you talking about?

[Mixed6]

Your player code wasn't well explained dude. Zorblag and I can't figure it out.

[Mixed6]

Ok listen this is how we will do this. I know player Y. You tell me how many above or below Y in the player list and I'll be able to tell who you're talking about.

[Mixed6]

Its alright, Cerb. Tell me how many above or below. Theres no one anyone can guess who you mean, they dont know who Y is. Thats the key.

[Mixed6]

F means two fucking different things, and I don't want either of them. Who the fuck can F me and which fucking F are we talking about? FML

[Mixed6]

Nevermind, I get exactly what you mean.

[Mixed6]

Listen I can't let that happen because of M, ok?

[Mixed6]

You will be voted huntmaster tomorrow if you survive tonight.

[Mixed6]

Can you put the wheels in motion for this peregrine/zulfy double lynch for us?

I want Klingon, you and I to be the last 3 to vote.

[Mixed6]

Sounds good. We're settled on our targets and our plan for today, let's keep the focus on the things we agree on and be united. Good night

[Mixed6]

Klingon can be counted on to split votes.

[Mixed6]

All of us here are armed and ready for a double lynch.

[Mixed6]

We might want the F. Let me talk this over with Zorblag.

[Mixed6]

@Reasonably Irrational, that aspect of the role is probably pro town, but I don't know that it helps use read the alignment of the role. If you take a look at what Bogre's nightmare abilities did, they tended to help town that was in them through extra resources. It even had a way to give players in it access to a weapon (parasite of KOS.) I'm disinclined to think that it's a strong indication that the nightmare PT should be coming from town.

In other news, Albert B. Rampage isn't fully sharing our reason to be the Master of the Hunt tonight. Based on what you already know of us you should be able to figure out part of it, but there's one more element that moves us slightly past the spot you're coming from in my assessment of the virtues in balance.

I'm still checking some things to give an answer about F.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

Cerb did you leak information to patches?

[Mixed6]

Your information, and their information, is incorrect. We have 21 players alive, they said 20. There's an unaccounted for third party missing from Patches list. You may want to out that.

[Mixed6]

We're aware of the initial vote count. Let me get back to you in a bit.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

The publicly available information says 20, but we have 21 from the mod. 2 third parties.

[Mixed6]

I don't want to offer any information at all, and then watch how information comes out, corroborate it with my existing information, and polish my read of the source. It's a scumhunting strategy.

[Mixed6]

Anxiety about the monocle creates discussion about its use which we can dissect and evaluate as coming from town or scum.

[Mixed6]

21 alive at day start. Day 2. 21.

[Mixed6]

21 at the start of day 2, I don't know how I can make this any clearer to you.

I catch scum and successfully get them lynched which by definition is pro-town.

You've seen me do it in saga, you've seen me do it here. When I'm invested in a game, scum get caught and lynched.

You may have a different strategy, and I respect that, but you also need to put your personal bias aside so we can win. I've stopped calling you stupid since Day 1. Now you meet me halfway and give me the respect that I know how to win in a way that is different from yours.

[Mixed6]

That's exactly what we're saying.

[Mixed6]

Or a new slot was created.

[Mixed6]

I meant the monocle. I'm fine that you corrected the record.

[Mixed6]

Cerb, during the course of this game, have you...told any lies?

[Mixed6]

I mean a lie. A mensonge. About your abilities, or what happened to you at night, or what you have. Have told a lie?

[Mixed6]

There it is.

[Mixed6]

Of course, if you had knowledge of that this means you lied to me, yes?

-Cerb

Zorblag guessed it based on very little. It wasn't even alluded to, he had to make some important extrapolations.

[Mixed6]

Klingon you got 21 players alive at start of day 2 report too right?

[Mixed6]

Nevermind, don't answer that.

[Mixed6]

Plain Doll is the host then? Or someone else.

[Mixed6]

It's Klingon's info, she decides.

[Mixed6]

I think we should kill Zulfy man. House looks like scum to me too. Ranger not looking good.

[Mixed6]

Don't want another PT. We already have a weapon, don't need another, they don't stack.

[Mixed6]

Max boss will need 10 votes to kill. We should be good.

Why ranger? There's something off about her.

[Mixed6]

? How do you know 10 votes is the max??

I'm fairly certain based on what we've seen so far.

[Mixed6]

It's difficult to give reads when many players aren't caught up or are lurking like dwlee, arrow, hastur muriel, peregrine, ranger, etc.

We have to wait for them to catch up, or lynch in that group.

[Mixed6]

Does anyone know anything about Toogeloo's "Vermin Resources?"

Would they be needed on a Hunt, perhaps?

No. It's a currency like blood echoes that you only get when you're invited to his hood. You use them to purchase items from his store.

[Mixed6]

Can we lynch Heuristic_Arrow?

Yeah, we can

[Mixed6]

Go to the thread and whip up votes for arrow and zulfy and we're gonna double lynch them

[Mixed6]

Looks like Arrow / Zulfy right now.

[Mixed6]

OK, ranger, who do you think is scum? I was discussing with Zorblag about Nahdia, House, and Dragons.

The problem is we have many active lurkers and for me, those would be a shot in the dark.

[Mixed6]

Are there any active players you suspect?

[Mixed6]

You suspect Shinobi, OK. Tell us why?

[Mixed6]

do the work. we want you to scumhunt. show us the similarities.

[Mixed6]

I'd bet against scum for Shinobi right now.

Dragons is a better choice than they were before in my opinion; there's a story that doesn't add up there. Of course that could just be me not seeing all the details.

Ranger isn't doing anything that seems to help scum at this point. She's staying out of the way, but she's taking flack for it and I'm fine with her reaction. If her game gets stronger as the pool shrinks (which was suggested to me by someone else before she mentioned it herself in the PT,) then I'm inclined to give her more rope and see what she does with it.

Shadow_step isn't confirmed town at this point, but he's close enough.

H&M stepped out of the shadows when they saw pressure and promptly faded back away when the pressure left. That's bothersome to me. It's what I might do if I were scum playing a lurkish game. Of course this town talks about lurker lynches more than many I'm used to (and pushed one through yesterday.) In any case, of the lurkers they're my top choice.

Zulfy is in that Nightmare as the first player which is odd. If scum control it (and I'd guess scum control (2 of 3) or (2 or 3 of 4) nightmares, then I could see them putting one of their own in one at the start. Especially if it gives them access to more votes which this one does. Without more information on what the nightmare is it's hard to say. His play is crap and he's using that as intrigue bait not to get lynched (having set it up from the start.) He's not actually a bad choice beyond just the lurking.

House I don't really have an opinion on. I'd normally just leave a player acting like that alone and deal with them when there's more to go with in terms of interactions. I don't have a reason to think they're town though.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

I could be swayed by a Liger - Hastur double lynch today.

[Mixed6]

Ranger go ahead and make use of your double vote, will you?

[Mixed6]

Let's say we give you Liger. You have to pick one of Zulfy and Hastur and Muriel. Pick the second one you want to die today between those two.

[Mixed6]

Or would you compromise for a Hastur - Zulfy ticket?

[Mixed6]

No let's go with Liger - Hastur. Let's just do it.

[Mixed6]

Let's not sell it as a double lynch. Let's just get players to vote for them thinking we're only lynching one, and then Klingon, Cerb, and I double vote them for the double hammer.

[Mixed6]

You have to use its Transformed ability, ranger.

[Mixed6]

Unless I'm mistaken, Reasonably Irrational can't vote for two players at once, they can just double vote for a single player. Further, unless we know for sure whether a target is a beast or not we should be using the Transformed Saw Cleaver to avoid accidentally lynching too soon.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

Sounds good.

[Mixed6]

What do you mean?

[Mixed6]

What is your news?

[Mixed6]

Well I can't just quote it.

[Mixed6]

Is it from Y+8?

[Mixed6]

I don't know how to answer your question.

[Mixed6]

cboY?

[Mixed6]

Was it used on you Day 1 or Day 2?

[Mixed6]

Both abilities have the exact same flavor, just not the exact same effects.

[Mixed6]

Did you lie about the 0 in P0?

[Mixed6]

Yes, it restore's D, etc.

[Mixed6]

What about yours, does it restore?

[Mixed6]

How did you confirm the source of this ability?

[Mixed6]

Used on you today?

[Mixed6]

Don't answer that.

[Mixed6]

I want you to confirm what day of the week BV was used on.

[Mixed6]

On me.

[Mixed6]

I don't know what you're saying but can you take care of #368 for me? I'd like to know which day of the week. It could be one ability or another ability depending on which day it was.

[Mixed6]

Could be scum, but I don't want to change our plans now, you feel me?

[Mixed6]

Let me take the lead on this today.

[Mixed6]

I think we're headed in a good direction with this double lynch.

[Mixed6]

I've talked this over with Zorblag, and he's comfortable going through with our original plan to double lynch hastur and liger, taking into account the new information. He made an uncommon note about the BV flavor, that I found quite observant.

[Mixed6]

We want to stay the course.

[Mixed6]

7: H&M
5: Liger

[Mixed6]

I don't think so.

[Mixed6]

@Elbirn, it's not that. It's actually more to do with the game setup and a few other things we're working with knowledge-wise. You're assuming some things are somewhat straight forward in ways that [ulr=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7933365]Post 4[/url] and Bogre's flip work very hard to lead us to believe they shouldn't be. Look hard at your reasons for thinking what you think, put them in the frame of a game that's supposed to encourage paranoia and see what it does for your level of certainty.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

Post 4, sorry about that mislink.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

Scum would know what scum's actions were going to be to some distance in the future. Scum also gain from seeming pro-town if it doesn't cost them. Is that taken into account?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

You're wrong.

When Klingon appears, we're going to double hammer.

I have received Liger's claim privately and it's another role that confers bonuses to town.

[Mixed6]

We disagree on motives then. That's fair. I haven't looked over the exchange you had with Albert B. Rampage so I don't know if you know the full details we're working with, but you've thought it through enough that I won't try to convince you that I'm right, just that I have given it thought.

In other news should Y+1 request G, decline, use C1 as the obvious reason if you like.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

We can double hammer without you. You don't want us to.

[Mixed6]

We have the votes with patches, Cerb. You want to go to war with us over a lynch when we're doing this well so far?