BLOODBORNE: THE HUNTER'S PARTY (DAY 2)

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Ego.

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Your theory is that Bogre never invited anyone to the nightmare, and Shadow made that up?

Possible, given bogres extreme lack of competence.

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Do we need to rush a lynch there? I mean, we have 7 votes in here that are all public knowledge. It doesn't seem like it would be terribly difficult to push a lynch through at any point later on, though I don't think ranger agrees with the choice of lynchee.

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Hmm. I may have missed that.

-Cerb

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Well, the monocles are gone from the store, so....someone is indeed spying on this PT. Almost certainly.

Also, yeah. Agreed regarding the need to eliminate R&L. Her claim doesn't even make sense, and is incredibly anti-town if EVER used. Scum will never just let themselves be killed(but neither should town), and if you hit town, you cost us a day phase as well? :-/

Fucking terrible and reckless.

Anyways. 7 votes in here, of the required 12. I would like you all to list who in the player list you would trust to participate in this lynching, and tell me how many more votes we need Mixed6. I know we have 7 if this whole PT votes, and we use our weapons and the enchanted tag. So we need 5 more that I know of.

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How about without using any one shot items?

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Just done with D&D, mobile, will be home in 30-45.

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Also, mixed6, you should know by now why we should be huntmaster. Our information should have made it's way to you....so I'm confused by why your vote for that isn't on us.

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Elbirn, don't buy anything until I'm home please.

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You're on board with us speedlynching Rylai?

No.

I don't believe in policy lynches.

Do you think RyLina is scum?

If the answer is no, then the options are lynch Shadow_step or no-lynch.

And I, very, very, VERY firmly, believe RyLina are town.

No lynch isn't an option, and neither is lynch shadow_step. We need to remove the monocles from the game because scum almost certainly have them. That means we lynch within that pool of the wagon yesterday until we nail the fucker who bought it.

Period.

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I'm still catching up, and there are things which you apparently never read that need to be read. And things which I've heard about which need to be resolved.

I have a fuckload on my plate in this game right now. I don't understand how you possibly ended up huntmaster over me when half the fucking game wanted to tell me shit.

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KC, please tell me what happened in the dungeon. Nobody wants to share.

At the least share the vote thresholds required. :-/

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Yes, it does mean something to me. x 2 is very interesting. BV, or something else? If BV, source is more likely town-aligned though unidentified as of yet.

Zorblag: No PT with Shinobi here. Last night I assume you all received some level of insight and echoes for winning the fight? Since you said shinobi had used one insight to buy an item?

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Okay. Let's reset this. Did he claim to have acquired an additional insight beyond what was gained from the lynch/do you have reason to believe that if he is town aligned, he would have additional insight?

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No, not that. Math doesn't add up.

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Please have A50 ask the question that will resolve the issue .

Umm. I don't trust your party selection well enough to share the Nahdia secret thing. It's NAI though.

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Ah. Of course. Unknown G'd her.

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Please answer.

Yes, it does mean something to me. x 2 is very interesting.

BV, or something else? If BV, source is more likely town-aligned though unidentified as of yet.

Zorblag: No PT with Shinobi here. Last night I assume you all received some level of insight and echoes for winning the fight? Since you said shinobi had used one insight to buy an item?

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P0W0G0D0E0+Y which is related to B.

:p

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Wow

*shrug* I told you I had cause. Arguing over the huntmaster thing isn't something I'd bother with if I didn't, too much work.

Anyways.

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Neighborhood created by Shinobi.

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...I just told you that we should minimize the resources going to non town possibikuties, and you continue campaigning super hard for lynches when we only need 2 votes. Stop it.

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I'm going to share some information with you right now mixed6. Hopefully you can understand.

U = B2.
M has Y with I/U/M, can cause H/I/O/U(unspecified).
R and E used C4 on I.

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Umm. That would defeat the purpose. :/ not sure how to clarify without negating it entirely.

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....I gave an example thst should make it obvious where things start and how. :/

The two systems are connected.

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... later. Not goin ti get back on a computer right now.

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Line:Letter

U is 4:7, 23:2,
M is 24:7, 9:3
I is 6:2, 5:7
R is 9:6, 20:3
E is 26:12, 22:9,

Please tell me after you put those in the appropriate places what I said makes sense so I don't have to do that again.

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Sure. I don't mind pressure at all.

I dislike the whole "I want a lynch by Wednesday bullshit."

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Oh true.

Alright, I approve of the eventual double lynch.

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Oh, I'm not sure which. I think I still prefer PV, honestly. But definitely zulfy.

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Umm, that's not good enough reason. Unless you'll be able to buy the item *tonight*.

Also, do you have any reason to not want a J used on you?

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Welp, twas a call I made. Scum know they didn't buy it. Town doesn't. Houses point was a good one.

And I have people privately requesting that I be huntmaster over you, which is why I'm inquiring further about it.

You don't know what extra benefit you will get from.being huntmaster tonight, or tomorrow night, so your argument that you need the extra echoes is moot since you don't know if you'll get any.

You should answer my question about J.

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The J question has to do with Player M, as previously defined.

Don't need J. Got it. That is unfortunate.

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And, you don't exactly have any control over this issue man. *shrug* just a matter of figuring out what's best for town overall.

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Oh. You misunderstand. My point was the usage of J ON you. Not helping you acquire it.

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You know that J would be wasted on us. I don't want G. I have S. Don't screw this up like you did with the monocle. We're a team. You can't make decisions on your own, especially when I helped you, when I trusted you. I expect more discipline.

....

You realize that you're an atrocious team player, right? I never claimed to be a good one myself, but you are horrid.

*shrug*

If you weren't, I wouldn't have people asking me if I could be huntmaster instead.

Pedit: then you understand that I was proposing an alternate way to reach your goal, with certainty.

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A dictator, not a leader, to be more exact.

This is all irrelevant though, and nonproductive.

Ranger, Shinobi is very upset about your refusal to expand on your reads on both liger and himself. Please appease him. :/

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Okay, you didn't understand.

Hmm.

Have you figured out how the player code works, or am I going to have to do this the hard way?

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The starting point is 7:5. I even told you the exact player that would reference(4:10, 1:3). So then 12:2 would reference 6:6, 8:8. It should be simple to figure out from there?

Also I'm dumb. When I was saying J right now, I meant F. Is an F a problem?

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No, that's too easy to solve for. The key has to be hidden information.

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Sorrh, I was lazy and it was a last second addition . I should have just spelled it all out.

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Why did you want people to be afraid scum had the monocles?

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Ugh.

Fine.

1 below F to 4 below. Do you understand the benefit of an F on you now?

Lmao, shit fuck. Damn typos.

The first F.

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(For the record, I'm REALLY sorry if everyone who can read this PT is town.)

-Cerb

Pedit: yeah that's what I thought. Less need for it if I'm huntmaster though. ^^

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Meh. You understand why. Certain things would be preferable events, and they're less likely if I'm not huntmaster, but whatever.

Just stop being a dick about it k? It makes me want to just take it instead of talking the people supporting me into supporting you.

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Not now. I'm about to head to bed, and I'd need to figure out who should vote where to make it work.

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We'll need everyone but 4 slots to vote, assuming you're using enchanted with your double vote. 2 from you on each, 1 from ranger on each, so that's 14 votes more needed. 2 from me, 12 more, 16 potential voters left.

Shoulda be doable, actually.

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Oh, not for you kc. I just meant you don't need to rush, because you can't do anything until everything else is in place first.

Anything else interesting about his pt, other than extra copies of weapons apparently?

Do we want to get rid of him at this point?

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I view providing extra copies of weapons to the game as more likely town than scum, since scum are guaranteed additional sources of echoes, they'll be able to buy things faster than town, who could thus be locked out of weapons. His nightmare seems to allow for purchases even in the event that happens.

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Got it.

Also, I can't guarantee that I would come down on that being optimal, I might recommend other targets over you, but I wanted to know if you should be considered.

Plus it seemed a way to get us both what we want. ^^

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Why did you want people to be afraid scum had the monocles?

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Umm. 21 in signups. Patches makes 22. 1 dead yesterday, one last night.

20 alive at day start. Wtf are you talking about?

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...as I said. There were 21 in the signups. And patches. And 2 deaths before day start. How are there 21 players in the game at day start?

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Anxiety about the monocle creates discussion about its use which we can dissect and evaluate as coming from town or scum.

No. This is bullshit and antitown.

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I understand what you're saying, but math says it's not possible unless there was a hidden 23rd role in the game at game start.

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? How do you know 10 votes is the max??

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Unless I'm mistaken, Reasonably Irrational can't vote for two players at once, they can just double vote for a single player. Further, unless we know for sure whether a target is a beast or not we should be using the Transformed Saw Cleaver to avoid accidentally lynching too soon.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Yep. We need one at l-3 and one at l-5. I vote the -5 then KC+you vote, with the enchanted prefix.

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It's a P x2. No doubt from town.

I have news. I need to know about the flavor of this P you received.

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I might know the source. I now know the source of my own, if yours shares the flavor...that's important.

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Are there any important unique elements you could note to me? :/ using whatever method you feel is safest?

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First of all, I don't know if what you received is what I received without the necessary information. So, I can't answer that question. For mine though, no.

I mentioned BV before. Are there any elements of the flavor which could be referred to in that way?

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cboY?

Got it. Likely the same, confirming their targeting for today right now (because there might be multiple individuals who provide different variants for different reason, it's important thematically), but it's Y+5.

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Today's targeting has been confirmed.

Still standing by your previous stance of "source is certainly town"?

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Day 1.

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Nope.

That's why I lol'd about stuff in the message.

Mmm. D2 gift can restore something, yes? If so, it matches their targeting claim.

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Yep.

G from C

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Please have A50 ask the question that will resolve the issue .

Umm. I don't trust your party selection well enough to share the Nahdia secret thing. It's NAI though.

Ah. Of course. Unknown G'd her.

This is unrelated to what's been outed in the main game thread. Or people are lying about messages sent. Keep it in mind.

I'm still catching up, and there are things which you apparently never read that need to be read. And things which I've heard about which need to be resolved.

I have a fuckload on my plate in this game right now. I don't understand how you possibly ended up huntmaster over me when half the fucking game wanted to tell me shit.

I said the last sentence for a reason, if that helps.

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Waiting for a response.

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Sunday.

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Morning or early afternoon, depending on when he got online, I guess? Was queued for when the sender wasn't going to be online.

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Hmm.

:/

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H&M is at 7. Liger is at idk what. I dunno if I still feel H&M.

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I din't believe there's enough cause to "stay the course".

Mislynch feels likely.

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Have done so. It's the choice of utilization, not the utility itself, that gives us thus level of certainty.

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Yes.

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Got it, pure compromise. Hmm.

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I'm aware of that.

But you decided to change it to a single lynch.

And you had to have it done TODAY.

Why?

What the fuck is wrong with you that you can't wait 24 hours? I'm serious. What. The. Fuck. Is. Wrong. With. You?

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No, you arbitrarily decided that there had to be a random ass deadline.

Why?

WHY?

Answer that fucking question.

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ABR.

We had over a week.

You rushed this PARTICULAR lynch.

Again, you can fuck off, and you won't be able to do more than vote once tomorrow, so have fun with that, as I said.

-Cerb

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*sigh*.

I'll talk to you tomorrow when I'm not irritated.

It's optimal for me to not fuck you over, and for you to not take me off the hunt. We both know that.

So, I'll restrain myself, because I have some modicum of it, unlike you.

-Cerb

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Zorblag: It's terrible. You don't know what I know. You don't know what you just did.

-Cerb

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I know what resources he just denied the town access to because his head was too far up his own ass to wait 6 hours.

-Cerb

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You'll know everything tomorrow, but the information won't come directly to you.

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We'll take all the votes.

It will be fine.

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I mean, threshold will be 9 tomorrow? *shrug* If you guys don't feel we should start the day at L-4, that's fine too. :p

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If anyone takes heat it will be Mixed6.

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How many echoes did you get from this last lynch?

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Hah. 4k echoes. That you locked numerous town out of.

Zorblag, keep control of your idiot partner please.

He's fucked things up so badly I can't even begin to express it.

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And now we have a buncha questionable running around with 10k echoes.

...

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Yep, we'll tank it. It's fine.

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I don't care anymore. Elbirn might.

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Varsoon knows me. I talk to him plenty. He'll understand.

I'm sure your other heads play sickens him too. That's not really relevant to this, but it felt good saying it.

^^

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RP requires investment, and I am no longer invested. I want this done as quickly as possible so I can ignore this game for 2.5 days and possibly not replace out.

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I don't believe he can answer that, but, let's look at this in a void, and this is the last time I'll bring it up.

Klingoncelt (HUNTER AXE), Heuristic_Arrow, Nahdia, House, [SPIDER], Shinobi, [ENCHANTED], Mixed6 (HUNTER AXE)

Let's look at this. We hvae 1, 2, 3, 4 more spaces on that wagon.

ANd we have Nahdia, House, and Shinobi occupying the filled spaces. None are slots you're certain are town.

Now, I know for a fact there are *2* slots you consider town that are not on that wagon, who could be.

There's also us.

There's toogeloo(who you apparently wanted around)

And there's ranger.

There are *5* slots you townread which you denied echoes AND anything else their role may gain as a result of slaying someone, to.

And it was for basically no reason. Because you couldn't keep it in your fucking pants.

It's shit play. I should have shut down your ability to use any abilities as soon as you started acting like 6 hours was too long to wait, but I trusted that you'd be willing to talk with me. I wanted KC to unvote so if things got heated, you couldn't do something regrettable.

And you went ahead and took that as a sign you should do the regrettable thing, even though I had confirmed that she was going to be around for the next *4* hours.

So, yes. I think it's safe to say that as far as town play goes, yours was shit, and it should sicken anyone capable of stringing together two coherent thoughts.

And that's the last thing I'll say on the matter. I'll be checking back in to see what happens when the boss shows up.

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Sorry Reasonably Irrational. You're up. You should be able to be as terse as you need, but it should be bold.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Got it.

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I loathe your play. I loathe everything about the way you treat people.

I'll consider rising above it, but it's difficult to do so when you're incapable of admitting you fucked up.

You say you overreacted, while also saying you have no regrets.

Those two things don't jive, they don't come from the same state of mind, one is a lie, and it's certainly the one that needs to be the truth for us to work together.

You need to *not* do shit like that. You have just proven to me that you can't be trusted with power, and that means, like Zulfy in SF, it's best if you're removed or neutered, from my perspective.

You have to understand that.

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You could quite literally be mod confirmed conf town, and I feel town would be better off with you dead or powerless.

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Well, for me it has to be decided as soon as the dungeon is handled, because the question for me is whether I should be neutering your abilities for this night+tomorrow, or for tomorrow and tomorrow night. So, it is relevant.

? I'm not sure what you're referring to Zorblag.

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Done.

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Let's do it. L-3. I'll be fine. Town won't vote for me. Scum will be scumclaiming if they vote for me. Done.

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Mmm, I still have access to that thread. Try using the hydra account?

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Were you ever authorized?? I mean, the thread isn't even locked lol.

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Lol.

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Alright, I'm not irritated anymore. Moved on.

ABR, we good?

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Unsure. Possibly the glove, since it immediately jumps anyone up to 4 votes available. It puts you guys at 6 though, and, well, that's kinda too much consolidated power for me to be comfortable with it. :/

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This has all been terribly misplayed, but whatever. The game state is what it is.

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Are you actively scumreading random, or do you simply lack cause to townread him?

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A50/Random/dwlee/us/????/????? Needs more thought.

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Hmm. Klingon is rich isn't she? You put her on the team again, indicating a decent town read? There's items she can purchase to deny to scum as well.

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Nahdia, House, amd Shinobi all have 10k echoes at least, so they can buy anything.

Mixed6 has 10k. Can buy anything.

So. How do we feel about those first three I listed, and whatever shall KC be spending her money on?

Klingoncelt didn't buy a poison knife, ranger did right?

I don't know what KC received from the first hunt, but my count(assuming she received the same number of echoes aa you've displayed you did) puts her at...3K from N1 hunt, 4k from this hunt, and 4k from the lynch today, so 11k echoes I believe.

And yes, Tiny Toni trust is what I was looking at. Same with the other weapon though.

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The tonitrus and tiny tonitrus are both worthwhile purchases.

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Just double checked, bleh, she did buy a poison knife. Hmm.

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If being huntmaster the first night gave her an extra 2k, executionerd glove for her and tonitrus (or possibly tiny tonitrus, since it does put out more votes at once) might be best for you.

I'm 1k short of buying anything of value.

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I don't necessarily mean for participating here. More as an additional vector for denying purchases to scum. Do we want to coordinate with shinobi? I do have a pt with him.

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Oh, it's a resonant neighborhood. So it was one created by spending insight.

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Or at least, it shares the name with such things.

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My read on shinobi isn't developed enough. :/ im not familiar with him at all, and I find his lack of interest in the game due to rolling town(as he claims) to be distasteful, but it's not alignment indicative.

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And that is quite literally the ONLY thing that comes to mind about his slot. Some people are saying he's played as he did as scum in another game (Ranger and someone else), aND I'm sure that's accurate, but that doesn't mean it's significant.

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Huh. That's interesting for someone who claims to be more interested in playing as scum that town

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I waa talking about shinobi. He said he likes scum more than town. People usually play better/are more interested in the game when they're playing a role they like, but you're telling me he does the opposite.

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Nahdia town now? She was scum not so long ago per zorblag?

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Hmm. Do we want her to have the glove? It does a good job of diluting power...I need to read her in this game. I've only ever seen her as town, but in SD2 I was able to get a very strong townread off her from ISOing her on D3/4.

Different, but similar, dynamics going on here.

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There's a chance. Elbirn had her as town mid day 1, and she dropped because she said some things that were concerning (but I don't recall what, I'll need to look over our skype log), but I never really had a firm handle on her.

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So, I think Nahdia can be town? Like you said, the biggest problem with her is the Bogre interactions, and those weren't any different from how she acted about lynches that she felt were basically just happening so people would get money in SD2. The difference here is it seems like she learned from SD2 where she backed off and ended up never getting money, and here she's just said fuck it and went with the wagons.

I don't think it's meaningful, given that she was *just* burned in SD2 by her reticence to join wagons she wasn't certain about. The rest of her ISO that isn't associated with that wagon looks fine? The thing Elbirn was talking about that he was suspicious of her about was really the wagon interactions, which I think make sense in this context. I'll try to catch up with him today to see how he feels about her now, since that opinion was given several days ago.

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That game had a similar mechanic with the money for lynches and the shop. She was consistently agains quick lynches to get money and just being on a lynch for the sake of the money, to the point of repeatedly referring to the money in derogatory terms and expressing unhappiness with how vote happy it made everyone. This resulted in her having less resources than others towards the late game, and prevented some strategies from being available to her as town. This game, she's hopping on the wagons, but still expresing that dissatisfaction with the way they are forming. To me, it seems like she has the same mindset she had as town, but she doesn't want to be stuck in a position where she ends up powerless like she did in SD2.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65778

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Yes I did.

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Elbirn doesn't trust her. So yeah, we're divided on this one.

It would be nice if you guys could pick up the toinitrus, someone else gets the glove, and kc gets the tiny tonitrus.

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Except scum almost certanly have ways to get through protections.

I actually think the only individual out of the 6 involved in this conversation who thinks Nahdia is scum is Elbirn. *shrug* you guys should do what you think is best.

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He thinks scum wholly because of the interactions with the Bogre wagon. He also dislikes liger foe the same reason.

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Klingoncelt, if possible you should be around at day start so you can buy the tiny tonitrus as soon as the day starts.

We want to force others into having to purchase the high ticket defensive items, rather than the offensive ones.

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Well, it was supposed to be sometime today, but considering it's almost Wednesday in his time zone, and the fact that he hasn't answered my message on skype asking about day start, it probably won't happen until tomorrow.

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:/

Well, I suppose that at least calms my concerns a bit. I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

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Mixed6: you should expect to know as much as we do about everything in the morning. We would appreciate reciprocation, but I understand you may have other goals.

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Well, that is unfortunate, given that he never told anyone else when the day would start. :-/ At least, not with any degree of certainty.

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(8 p.m. eastern, they're ahead of me, not behind)
So yeah, should be a good time for KC based in her postng history

You guys should be able to make it as well.

Nahdia is here at all sorts of times.

And I...am always here, though I have nothing to do with this.

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sorry Klingon. Thank you for your dedication! <3

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Goodbye party!