Mini Normal 1841 - You're Dead!

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Lol

There was no way I could say I didn't believe zach's claim, he was obvious town for claiming at the beginning of d2 and risking being counter claimed so hard

Watcher is a too swingy and low skill role imo

/salt

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I literally looked through all the roles on the wiki and decided I had to make something up

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Spoiler: DON'T CLICK THIS CLICKBAIT, IT HAS THE NAME OF ANOTHER SCUM MEMBERS

I hope jarjar's right that I did a good job of distancing myself. I was trying to pretend like I wanted to form a CW on jarjar, but I had to get lynched first since I was doomed anyway and this way jarjar might survive.

you're welcome

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Fuck sorry spoilers

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I think there should be separate dead threads for spoilers and non-spoilers

Scum would get both, but they and anyone else spidered wouldn't be able to post in the non-spoiler thread

It's just so hard to keep it spoiler free otherwise

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I was the one that suggested using both 1-shots on n1. It don't think it was a bad decision per se, but we just got unlucky really. Tbf, maybe I should've predicted a PR claim that needed to die, but it's hard to say especially when the ninja is at risk of being lynched (and for all we knew, the watcher could've died early).

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But I do think the setup is balanced or even scumsided

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Spoiler:

Math is talking about mini 1800, I think mini 1800 was quite a bit scumsided

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So you guys know, I would never play d1 like I did as town. I think creature knew that. I'm much more active and never have one big scumread like that the whole day. Plus I flip flop a lot

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But I do think the setup is balanced or even scumsided

I did quite my best to balance this, and if
-the watcher didnt out this soon
-the JK didnt get a 'result' N1
-the BP didn't claim
-if you fakeclaimed joat with rb-vig-rolecop you could have talked your way out of it AND get the BP lynched

It would have been a bit more balanced, yeah

Haha no, claiming vig or rolecop on zach would've been just as bad as what I did. Especially when I said explicitly that zach was obvious town on d2 and he was. Even if he no kill gambited, he was risking a counterclaim so hard there.

Was considering claiming JoaT with rolecop at one point but manuel would never get mislynched

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Spoiler:

Yes last scum is math

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But I do think the setup is balanced or even scumsided

I did quite my best to balance this, and if
-the watcher didnt out this soon
-the JK didnt get a 'result' N1
-the BP didn't claim
-if you fakeclaimed joat with rb-vig-rolecop you could have talked your way out of it AND get the BP lynched

It would have been a bit more balanced, yeah

Haha no, claiming vig or rolecop on zach would've been just as bad as what I did. Especially when I said explicitly that zach was obvious town on d2 and he was. Even if he no kill gambited, he was risking a counterclaim so hard there.

Was considering claiming JoaT with rolecop at one point but manuel would never get mislynched

Roleblock*

Spoiler:

Despite all that stuff happening, I think scum is in a decent spot. Assuming nadr and jarjar get lynched, it'll be mylo, and no town PRs will be doing very useful stuff. In fact, math is going to try to use the neighborizer to their advantage by saying they thought it was weak and therefore they thought they were conf town. The question is, though, who that last mislynch would be. I think manuel is pretty clearly town despite there being a JK already in the game. s_s probably won't be mislynched because jarjar was pushing on him so hard. Dunn won't get mislynched cause of his role. I think it'll have to be either ira or dong.

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Hard to say at this point, it'll come down to the wire

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I think mathblade believes their setup spec, but it's just factually incorrect

You don't need a scum power to counter every strong town PR. That makes a setup that's incredibly scumsided.

In this setup, there's a high chance that the neighborizer and BP will literally do nothing

So it would be 2 strong town PRs vs. 2 1-shot scum PRs

Slightly scumsided

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Actually neighborizer acts kinda like an IC because scum don't usually get that. But still balanced if not slightly scumsided.

PEdit:

Spoiler:

dunn is the neighborizer

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Spoiler:

Math n1, dong n2, idk who n3

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Spoiler:

I really didn't think jarjar was defensible at this point. We'll see, if this works it says a hell of a lot about site meta wrt scum defending scum imo.

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This is amusing

I think this might have to be a wine kill

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I'm waiting eagerly for someone to say "scum wouldn't defend their buddies so obviously"

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Spoiler:

I think mathblade will try to say "I thought it was weak" to fake townslip

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How do you break NL/NK cycles scout?

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If you mean no lynch and no nightkill scenario; i would call the game after 2-3 days of no deaths and make everyone lose, since it means both factions played against their wincondition.

Like what if scum decided to shoot BP would you count that?

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Because it's important. At 4:2 town wants scum to kill one player to narrow the lynch pool but scum doesn't want to do it. Your rules essentially mean town has to lynch at 4:2 since they'll have to be the ones to act first to break the cycle of they don't lynch.

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Wait nvm, your rules forces scum to act first usually.

But if town no lynch and scum shoot the BP, then there's a no lynch/no kill cycle. Do you still force scum to act?

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Spoiler:

Lol that ban was a godsend for scum

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Neighborizer is way way weaker than watcher.

Scum getting burnt out is highly game dependent and there are ways to active lurk while still looking town. I could've continued my d1 play in this game for forever pretty much without getting burnt out.

Watcher however is an insanely strong PR that can easily catch multiple scum. It's not unreasonable for the watcher to catch the entire scumteam.

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The only critique of this setup is that I think full watcher is pretty dumb and should be spread out

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^ true for every mafia game ever

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Rolefishing accusations are still dumb

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Titus with that consistently spot on mylo/lylo play

(In poker mafia she voted her top scumread in 5p lylo because she felt like it and gave me the win as scum)

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lol she is completely falling for my jarjar CW shit. I knew full well the jarjar wagon was never gonna go through

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Well they usually are. But there certainly are exceptions--Titus was in a game with me a while ago where scum was the CW to a scum lynch.

But with a guilty everything goes out the window. Of course the guilty gets lynched no matter what.

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Uh, sorry in advance to titus when/if she reads that. I know it's a lot harder to make decisions when you're in the moment.

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Also think about it Infinity made the lynch on claimed JK. That most likely means he was the weakest member of the scumteam

Lol, did you forget the part where the JK can jail scum and block the kill