camn's revenge mafia topic

[Aeronaut]

Fuck. Yes.

[Aeronaut]

Idk if I've ever been scum with any of you people but you all seem like cool dudes

I'm pumped

[Aeronaut]

Um well I generally enjoy scum more than town, and I'm pretty comfortable in the role. I don't know if Pine has seen me as scum but it'll be chill especially since we got day chat.

[Aeronaut]

Should start thinking of fake claims at some point soon

[Aeronaut]

Well I guess I could literally just claim my role as town.

[Aeronaut]

Something you should know about me is that I tend to bus if I need to; If you're absolutely uncomfortable with that I don't have to, but if you're doin something scummy I'll probably call you out on it.

[Aeronaut]

But that makes me sound like I do it more than I do.

SC is similar where he's a great player but people always ring him up D1. if he can get past that we're golden.

[Aeronaut]

I'm not very scared of Mastin

[Aeronaut]

I'm more scared of fate.

[Aeronaut]

From what reck has told me fate is scary

[Aeronaut]

Ok pine you definitely should have drafted Mastin

[Aeronaut]

Mastin is pretty obviously town.

[Aeronaut]

I didn't plan on hiding that I thought that unless you think that's a bad call.

[Aeronaut]

Which statement?

[Aeronaut]

Let the record show that I really enjoy playing w/ Nahdia. I don't wanna say that in-thread though bc buddying or whatever nonsense you kids crack up these days

[Aeronaut]

This game has a lot of characters.

[Aeronaut]

profit

[Aeronaut]

Well, if you care about my opinion, then i'd say that it was a well constructed post. It did a good job of pointing out the fact that mastina could very easily be setting themselves up for every possible scenario.

Granted, I don't know that that's entirely true, but if you wanted to further elaborate later on, I would definitely say that you could mention the fact that they're clearly lining up lynches.

[Aeronaut]

I guess what SC says is true too tho

[Aeronaut]

Worst case scenario, I get lynched and mastina gets so much towncred that she lynches five other non-newbies based on pure setup spec and we win anyway. w/e

[Aeronaut]

Eh I guess I have all the powers though so maybe i should not get lynched


What's our consensus on nacho getting lynched? I feel like it just benefits us but idk

[Aeronaut]

wait was that real


plz tell me it was real

[Aeronaut]

thinking of opposing the nacho thing for now, since it's baseless and stupid anyway and I don't even have to lie to make that point.

[Aeronaut]

but not so much that it doesn't still happen

[Aeronaut]

The less scared you are of mastina the less she can get you.

[Aeronaut]

Generally the key to being good at this game is being confident, or at least sounding confident. This is true of either alignment; and it's the reason why good players become good players, e.g. mastina who could not be more confident.

Same with RadiantCowbells, Pine, other people. It also makes people think that some players are better than they are, e.g. albert b rampage or titus really .Although titus can be good when she wants to be


p-edit yeah

[Aeronaut]

Although this game i'm having a hard time finding something to push early on since these really are some good players. I guess I'll stay on fate unless you gotta another suggestion, pine

[Aeronaut]

Yeah, i feel that.

[Aeronaut]

well now we can't go after btd6 after that

[Aeronaut]

or fate

[Aeronaut]

I guess it's good to save cakes tho

[Aeronaut]

not that he nessesarily needs it but you know what i mean

[Aeronaut]

or mastin or nacho

[Aeronaut]

I mean if they don't believe it then they'll probably just assume that bbt is scum anyway

[Aeronaut]

hahahahahaha that's the funniest story i've ever heard

[Aeronaut]

I slipped in a little townslip re: me not knowing how you chose your picks. Hopefully it's not uber obvious looking.

[Aeronaut]

Nacho has COMPLETELY SKIRTED THE ISSUE OF ME and the top picks for scum out of this playerlist

Not even so much as a handwave "nah Pine wouldnt pick Fate cause hed get too much scrutiny and heat"

I backed down from my gut in camn's apartment and let scumcho coast until a surprise endgame

NOT AGAIN

NEVER AGAIN

VOTE: NACHOMAMMA8

[Aeronaut]

Just the in-fighting alone between fate, nacho and mastina are going to win it for us.

[Aeronaut]

do you think nahdia is the evil part of the bear or the fluffy part?

[Aeronaut]

But Mastina, what I really want to know is, how much do you know Pine?

[Aeronaut]

Name a more iconic duo, I'll wait

[Aeronaut]

tru

[Aeronaut]

Hey Mastin, how long does it take you to plan for a game?

Depends. Are we talking concept, thought, or practice?

...See, my first language actually isn't English.
It's concepts.

[Aeronaut]

eh someone's gotta het her to fight w nacho again.

[Aeronaut]

You know, I could claim backup inno child at some point.

[Aeronaut]

I don't know how stupid that would be, but would it be

too

stupid?

[Aeronaut]

In other news, I say we push in this lynch on Gin and then mastina has even less credibility in the eyes of everyone else

[Aeronaut]

i won't do it until necessary, but I'll leave one or two little crumbs around for me to reference.

[Aeronaut]

Pine, how am I looking with that catch-up?

[Aeronaut]

Usually people TR me for them, but this game is obviously abnormal. And I'm also tired so I'm going to stop for now I think.

[Aeronaut]

i wish I'd opened the day thinking mastina was scum because that combined with all these people that actually SR her which is hilarious might have gotten her lynched

[Aeronaut]

not that we want that but it would have been fun

[Aeronaut]

Aero should probably be less fun and more pragmatic.

[Aeronaut]

This is the reads list I'l eventually spring on them, whenever I feel it's needed.

{LT} Nachomamma8 [T: 394, 661*]
{LT} mastina
{LT} drealmerz7 [Mastina push*, ADCP*]

{NT} pisskop [T: 368]
{NT} Monokuma (Nahdia/Road Kamelot)

{N} Fate
{N} Secret Agent Jin
{N} Prism

{NS} Vaxkiller [S: 710*]
{NS} BTD6_MAKER [S: 115, 853]
{NS} SirCakez [S: 141*]
{NS} TheRealGin-N-Tonic [S: 475*]

[CS] Pine

Spoiler: ***

[MP* Dreal's suicide push on mastin
141: I don't really buy SC's narrative and it looks weak and lazy to me.
475: So you have two reads total? And they're both slight scum reads?
ADCP: Aeronaut's Drunken Christmas Party
710: looks like theatrics.

Spoiler: Key

Conftown - {CT}

Town - {T}

LeanTown - {LT}

NullTown - {NT}

Null - {N}

NullScum - {NS}

LeanScum - {LS}

Scum - {S}

ConfScum - {CS}

[Aeronaut]

Aero, you should whine about your flu, it's all the tasty flavor of AtE without the scumminess.

... I never said I had the flu

[Aeronaut]

well yeaaaaah but people might not believe that

And if they do, then they sort of are thinking about the fact that we know each other

[Aeronaut]

it's probably fine

[Aeronaut]

True facts

[Aeronaut]

Am I right btw when I said that I'd never finished a game you were in where I was scum? Bc idk where mastina got that

[Aeronaut]

I also didn't know you were an EMT, that's cool

My best friend is trying to be an EMT also, but right now she's a volunteer fire fighter

[Aeronaut]

that sounds insane.

One of the most interesting things I've ever heard though was from a doctor, and she was telling me that it's definitely hard to lose someone, but at the same time it's important to realize that whatever you do, you're helping them more than if you weren't there, and they were just dying in some street corner.

[Aeronaut]

{LT} Nachomamma8 [T: 394, 661*]
{LT} mastina
{LT} drealmerz7 [Mastina push*, ADCP*]

{NT} pisskop [T: 368]
{NT} Monokuma (Nahdia/Road Kamelot)

{N} Secret Agent Jin
{N} Prism

{NS} SirCakez [S: 141*]
{NS} TheRealGin-N-Tonic [S: 475*]
{NS} BTD6_MAKER [S: 115, 853]

{LS} Fate [W]
{LS} Vaxkiller [S: 710*]

[CS] Pine [S: 1]

Spoiler: ***

[MP* Dreal's suicide push on mastin
141: I don't really buy SC's narrative and it looks weak and lazy to me.
475: So you have two reads total? And they're both slight scum reads?
W: Waffling; If anything, Fate isn't really trying to solve the game. He's more just voting to what sticks.
ADCP: Aeronaut's Drunken Christmas Party
710: looks like theatrics.

Spoiler: Key

Conftown - {CT}

Town - {T}

LeanTown - {LT}

NullTown - {NT}

Null - {N}

NullScum - {NS}

LeanScum - {LS}

Scum - {S}

ConfScum - {CS}

[Aeronaut]

The thing about the fate wagon is that it's me with AristoConfscum and vax, who I just called out. I don't know how good of a look that is right now.

[Aeronaut]

I feel like I'm actively fucking us over at the current moment, so I just need to step away.

[Aeronaut]

cakes just so you know, I don't plan on crazy-hard-bussing you. If anything starts to build up for some reason, I can stop the wagon p quick if needed

[Aeronaut]

oh i know

I'm just letting you know

not that I'm doing a good job of it anyway

[Aeronaut]

Aero, stop feeding the

troll

Mastina. Don't ignore her entirely, but don't focus on her. Do your own thing.

Pretty much no one else is giving a shit about you, so your interactions with her are bringing up the question "Is Aero scum" a lot more than it naturally would.

Same could go for Jin, but he's "Sir Not Appearing in this Game."

Usually I don't find lurking to be an effective scum strategy, but it's going well so far.

Alright, will, do. That was mostly my plan anyway at this point

[Aeronaut]

Camn I'm voting SC not Fate.

[Aeronaut]

Also Jin wya

[Aeronaut]

Oh I C

[Aeronaut]

Yeah also there's like four days left in our DL; I don't see a world where Mastin drums up a wagon fast enough.

It might be smart for Jin to come in with something on Fate if we want to still make that happen.

[Aeronaut]

Do we want that though?

I mean I guess she's smartened up pretty fast.

[Aeronaut]

yeah. He's TRing me for whatever reason

[Aeronaut]

My vote isn't on fate right now, though.

[Aeronaut]

Fate is kind of actively defending most of us, though?

[Aeronaut]

yeah I know that, but I'm saying as far as getting a lynch on.

Attacking my supporters is like 70% of my scumgame, and/or defending my attackers.

I feel in this scenario we want Fate around more than we want Mastin, since she's theoretically pegged two of us. But she could also be valuable later.

[Aeronaut]

Mastin, whats your thoughts on the bear?

North of the null line by some considerable yet undefined margin. And in this case: I really do mean undefined. Not, "defined, but I refuse to release the exact amount". I really mean, "some undefined amount which I haven't a fucking clue about". I don't think they're scum. I'm not sure by how much I don't think they're scum. I just don't think there's been a single successful wagon on a player who's actually scum. Not Fate, not SirCakez, not drealmerz, not Monokuma, not you.

When Pine said "you guys haven't a clue".
And that his team is doing well.

No joke.
I think he was well within his rights to have made that claim in absolute sincerity.

Now the scumteam might not be Aeronaut-Aristophanes-Jin. Fuck, it's possible none of them are! That in BTD6/Vaxkiller/Prism we've got the actual scumteam. I mean, I've laid out my reasons why I more or less don't think Vaxkiller is scum, and have my doubts about Prism/BTD6_maker being scum. I've begun to give reasons for the others being scum even if not by much. But I think the scum are in those six names.

And none of them are anywhere remotely close to being lynched, none of them are even remotely close to so much as having a wagon on them. So none of the people up for the lynch are players I actually think are scum.

Now, I'm still debating in my head about whether I want to push Aeronaut, believe it or not. I'm not sure I actually do. And even if I do, while I've got the list of facts for why he's scum inventoried in my head, translating those into words might be a bit difficult and I'm not quite sure where I'd begin.

But what I won't do is lynch any of Fate/Nacho/Gin/Monokuma/SirCakez/drealmerz today.
That's my stance.

I'm trying to figure out what it is that's making Mastina question herself here. It could just be pure paranoia, but it could be something else.

[Aeronaut]

I think right now is the time to make our move if we're going to.

We could very well run the clock for a little while longer, and get us to that sweet sweet chaos that is "Random Deadline Stage", in which everyone is going to be scrambling to get

someone

lynched. That someone could very well be Mastina, depending on who would flip. It could very well be a lot of people, honestly. I don't see it being Jin, and I don't see it being SC, though. There's a chance it's me, but I don't think they could get it to swing in time.

People I could see them swinging to (in this order); Mastina, Ari, bear, gin, vax, me.


I also think that if we want a specific player gone, though, we have to act like now. Pine, thoughts?

[Aeronaut]

The more I think about it, the more partial I'm becoming to letting the thread descend into chaos, since it would be hard to parse through motivations later on that way. But that's just me.

[Aeronaut]

On an actual game note: Fuck you, Aero.
You were totally not only Pine's first pick, but also an extraordinarily good one because you're better at convincing and manipulating people than you say you are and you're so damn good at it that in spite of me

knowing

that you were his first pick you're actually making me feel otherwise.

For the record, are you allowed to tell us who you picked first, second, third, etc. Pine? (it's ok if I'm third or you thought I was Gin-n-tonic, I'm just v curious + glad to even have been picked bc this game is fun)

[Aeronaut]

Well mastina is a very good candidate for a strongman kill tonight

but that's just my opinion. Could also be good to save that for later.

[Aeronaut]

In that; We kill her tonight; then at some point in the future, possibly LYLO, I can claim to be the backup to that role with that crumb I made, and I can fake a guilty on someone who otherwise would look town.

[Aeronaut]

Hmm... I think you're right. I forgot we could JK tbh

[Aeronaut]

lmao Gin is so confused why anyone would scum read him now that he's read mastipedia

[Aeronaut]

Also; this town is suddenly falling apart beautifully

[Aeronaut]

Prism lynch, yay or nay?

[Aeronaut]

fair. I think I could spin it. I don't plan on joining tonight, but I'm curious what you guys thought of it.

[Aeronaut]

yeaaaaa

[Aeronaut]

Yeah, so I'm 90% sure that Mastina or Nacho is going to reign him in, sc

[Aeronaut]

Is me jumping on fate not going to look far too much like me trying to derail this?

[Aeronaut]

At worst, cakez is in the townbloc. at best, we could turn it around on mono.

[Aeronaut]

That "jam session" is total bull though.

[Aeronaut]

I mean I'd say early, but it should be more up to you since you're the mod in this case.

[Aeronaut]

I vote as soon as possible.

[Aeronaut]

Also; how likely do we think it is that there's actually a cop in this setup, given we know mastin is already role that can confirm?

[Aeronaut]

Well i guess we have a godfather so that answers that.

[Aeronaut]

Actually, question: would a role such as Masonizer fail on a godfather?

[Aeronaut]

They're too happy about this jam sesh, time to start tearing them down.

[Aeronaut]

Prism, scum is forced to kill an active voice with SAJ out of the way. So there's also that bright side.

KATSUKI - I was going to make a speech, but this opportunity just popped up due to poor phrasing. This is a good opportunity for an entrance.

This can EASILY be construed as a scumslip. He's tacitly admitting that SAJ is a mislynch and he knows it. Go for it

This would be a perfect lynch, tbh. Get that bloc down, ASAP.

[Aeronaut]

The in-fighting with prism is very helpful, too. Help stoke that fire when you can people.

[Aeronaut]

Just so you know kat, Fate hasn't been posting a whole lot in this game. It could be two days from now for all we know.

[Aeronaut]

to be honest Camn this game is already GOTY nom-worthy, so good job.

I guess that should technically apply to Pine, too. I'm having an absolute blast, even if it is an uphill battle.

[Aeronaut]

Also, if we manage to dig ourselves out of the whole caused by that crazy town "jam-sesh" that would be fucking insane.

[Aeronaut]

hey, i'm pre-inned for that too

We'll see if I can uphold that, I've got like, life and stuff.

[Aeronaut]

Point out the scumslip!

[Aeronaut]

Point out the scumslip!

[Aeronaut]

I guess I could do it but it sorta makes sense for someone who allegedly is making brand new reads to pick up on.

[Aeronaut]

Prism, scum is forced to kill an active voice with SAJ out of the way. So there's also that bright side.

KATSUKI - I was going to make a speech, but this opportunity just popped up due to poor phrasing. This is a good opportunity for an entrance.

This can EASILY be construed as a scumslip. He's tacitly admitting that SAJ is a mislynch and he knows it. Go for it

[Aeronaut]

[In other news Cakez, you're doing an awesome job staying in that bloc]

[Aeronaut]

And just like that

The empire falls

[Aeronaut]

Prism, scum is forced to kill an active voice with SAJ out of the way. So there's also that bright side.

KATSUKI - I was going to make a speech, but this opportunity just popped up due to poor phrasing. This is a good opportunity for an entrance.

This can EASILY be construed as a scumslip. He's tacitly admitting that SAJ is a mislynch and he knows it. Go for it

This one

[Aeronaut]

why are people saying hat was hammer, you're literally L-2

[Aeronaut]

yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.

The thing is that Mastina becomes less powerful the less of her townbloc surrounds her, but the most important aspect of that group to her is Nacho. Do you see the post where she says something about how she didn't want to change her mind on me unless nacho did?

Nacho is the thing that's keeping her paranoia in tact, so if we can get him gone tonight, she's going to be a lot more swayable tomorrow.

p-edit: that too. Either way nacho's gotta go.

[Aeronaut]

hey camn, remember that time we were scum together


we were awful

[Aeronaut]

nothing, they're literally lurker lynching because they don't know what to do

although now they think it's you + fate

[Aeronaut]

oh idk then

Also; I feel like I can't post without giving an opinion on you, so i'm kind of in a pickle until you say that you've read a bunch of stuff or something

[Aeronaut]

Ok I might at some point post something where i ask you if you're going to read or not in between the other stuff then, that works

[Aeronaut]

we've got some dissonance between that townbloc at that point which is lovely

[Aeronaut]

@KAT I really think if you point out that scumslip then you can redirect people's attention. Right now, there's nothing else to do besides vote you for most people besides dreal v gin, and that will die off soon enough.

[Aeronaut]

srry i mean, you do you, I'm just giving my opinion

[Aeronaut]

that's many fair points.

[Aeronaut]

SC, I've voted you for the time being, mostly because I feel like if I post without jumping onto the person I've been pushing as scum all game, it's going to look bad for both of us. Having said that, I'm pretty sure that mastina is going to come on at some point and defend the hell out of you.

[Aeronaut]

Wanna lynch prism?

[Aeronaut]

I mean prism though is also helping to throw the rest of them in disarray though.

[Aeronaut]

like had he not been very very wrong, that townbloc thing probably would have been a lot worse.

And here he is trying to lynch Ari

[Aeronaut]

Or mastina

[Aeronaut]

Either way it's silly

[Aeronaut]

wait that's hilarious

[Aeronaut]

Is there anyone spectating this game? Because there should be

[Aeronaut]

Also, game related, It might also be optimal to just let town lynch whoever and really fuck with their vca when it's an all town lynch and scum is all on scum

just my thought

[Aeronaut]

Aw UTL is watching?!

<3

[Aeronaut]

I also love those other people too though! Just as much!

[Aeronaut]

Fate is just going to be so fucked if Kat ever flips

Just so fucked beyond belief

[Aeronaut]

i mean

what if they just NL

[Aeronaut]

Actually nah we want the mislynch today i'm being dumb

[Aeronaut]

classic

[Aeronaut]

Yea i mean at this rate I don't feel like you'll flip at all, but that's a p good point

[Aeronaut]

she did the phantom bullshit thing on me for most of the game, and just like expected people to blindly follow her onto me when she wouldn't tell them why

Like that might work in a newbie game but definitely not here

[Aeronaut]

who do you think you guys will kill?

Hahahahaha this is so savage

[Aeronaut]

re: drealmerz, I actually believe that he could become one of the best players on this site in a few years if he sticks around; I know he's not exactly playing optimally this game, but he joins every game I mod and I can see him learning how to do this a lot faster than most ever would.

And I think he could also become really charismatic.

[Aeronaut]

i agree with all of that beautiful stuff but why lynch fate is my only question, comment, or concern

[Aeronaut]

he's been hammered twice so

[Aeronaut]

If it does turn out that BTD6 is town and Gin is scum, that means Gin's team felt Gin was in the worst position of the entire team and he would CC in order to get rid of BTD. Meaning the other two scum are likely in your town circlejerk-bloc as well.

[Aeronaut]

How do they not know that BTD has been hammered like four times

like vax is just like "declaring intent" like there's not already 16 votes on him

[Aeronaut]

nah i'm on it

[Aeronaut]

do it , cause fate will too

lets just see how many votes we can get on him lol

[Aeronaut]

He got claimed and then CCed by Gin somehow which is super lucky for us I guess.

[Aeronaut]

I mean mastina is wrong about literally all three of us

[Aeronaut]

Also we could rb her

[Aeronaut]

the thing is that mastina is pretty useless in this game without Nacho because nobody else wants to listen to her for some reason, especially when she's right

[Aeronaut]

Also is there any particular reason that people keep going on about the presence of a vigilante?

I guess camn really likes vigs aparently

[Aeronaut]

nacho as a player is also highly detrimental as it is

[Aeronaut]

We could potentially lynch gin for this tomorrow tbh

[Aeronaut]

yeah.

[Aeronaut]

yes.

And Aero was third on the wagon. God I hope he gets busted for that.

?

[Aeronaut]

So is our play tonight to kill Gin and then when he flips not a mason we flip mastina?

Or is that dumb?

[Aeronaut]

Katsuki you should just claim something crazy.

[Aeronaut]

oh that's some vca bs

What are we playing a newbie game pishaaaa

[Aeronaut]

So what's our play here friends?

Do we kill Mastina? Also; it's just me and SC now, but I'm 90% sure if one of us flips, SC is like conftown to them.

[Aeronaut]

I feel like we should expose the gambit personally but that's just my take

The town without Mastina is going to crumble

[Aeronaut]

Well is anyone going to realistically protect her when a good ammount of the game thinks she's scum, and she's allegedly used up her power?

We could prob just reg-kill her.

[Aeronaut]

vax, drealz, Prism, technically you,

[Aeronaut]

ok, so strongman seems smart.

Which of us is least likely to be tracked?

[Aeronaut]

hmm :/

[Aeronaut]

Yeah I can do it then.

Aeronaut Strongman kills Mastina

[Aeronaut]

All good.

[Aeronaut]

oh well I just double fucked myself.

lmao

[Aeronaut]

Fuck u gin

<3

At least SC is like crazy conftown at this point.

[Aeronaut]

hahahahahahahaha this game

[Aeronaut]

'm so sorry pine

[Aeronaut]

If I was gonna get outplayed by someone, it's mastina.

[Aeronaut]

yeah I did come and here and say HUR DUR WHO SHOULD WE KILL TONIGHT ALSO I AM SCUM AND AERONAUT!

[Aeronaut]

This show i'm putting on deserves kodak moment lmao

[Aeronaut]

SC vote me now so they can lynch me quick so nobody can make associations from today.