Pick Your Power: Double Deck (DEAD THREAD)

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A beautiful and amazing thread for the spectators of the game.

First cab off the rank is Drone. Welcome!

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Creature is here. Yay

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You were universally townread and no chance to be mislynched ever + high in the draft so you should have had good cards in theory. I thought you were a good kill tbh.

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welcome rb!!!

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Please welcome Jackel98 who tried his hardest to kill scum, but alas, it wasn't to be...

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Maria has a three of clubs, I bet.

interesting theory

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Yeah, the town needs Fishy and Titus to come in and start explaining things to them again.

There's also some confusion about whether Transcend deck rigged the 2 of clubs to be today's trumps, without realising he's the alpha deck rigger and can only rig on spades. Nobody has noticed that clubs was trumps last night, which would have to be the beta deck rigger - who hasn't outed themselves yet. The two cards the beta rigger has rigged have been good (rigged a safe cop investigation for rb N1 and now disabled the scumkill for D3/N3). Nice synergy between the cards that player drafted.

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Yeah, I think we could have maybe explained the mechanics better, or maybe scrapped some of the overly elaborate powers like the deck rigging? But on the whole, there's been more confusion than I expected (and I expected some).

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Would you make a 13-players version?

I, Quilford, don't see why it couldn't work... dunno about Hoopla—she's the one who designed 99% of the setup. Why do you ask?

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Also welcome to MariaR our first scumbutt :D 'grats Maria I think you did pretty well all things considered

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Would you make a 13-players version?

I, Quilford, don't see why it couldn't work... dunno about Hoopla—she's the one who designed 99% of the setup. Why do you ask?

Speaking as Hoopla, I think it could definitely work - maybe with one deck instead of two? It might be worth considering as large games can often become overwhelming for some players. I feel like the game mechanic gets explored more in larger games though, which I like.

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And nice job to Maria!

We have a couple of interesting trump cards coming up that will shake the game up a bit.

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Merry Christmas Quil! Here's your present: three replacements

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L M A O at someone's action tonight

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Welcome, newest dead person: Titus!

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Aww all the suspense has been taken out of the kill by -Grey- fessing up ):

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Is there a spoiler thread?

There isn't, no. I suppose we'll just drop spoilers in spoiler tags in here as they come up / people ask for them

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For example:

Spoiler:

Scum are going to be very, very happy with this kill

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Spoiler: For Titus

You had three of the four other scum correct.

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Who would the dead pt lynch today? There are five Townies in here, so get me three votes on a player and I'll tell you their alignment (:

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Kison (1) - Creature

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Ouch. Shit. Well...

VOTE: Kison

Hammer!

Spoiler: Kison is...

scum!

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Transcend has been freshly killed! Hi!!! *waves excitedly*

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Spoiler:

Does 4083 contain all scum?

Spoiler:

Nope!

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Spoiler: hard spoiler

I feel like I could've done really really well maybe even got super fear but it just became a "Let's all bus Maria" thing going on in our PT and I didn't really want to object and be like "hey I can do this" because the rest of the PT was toxic af

Spoiler:

Yeah, we're upset about how sour the PT got. Sorry about that )): From the mods' perspectives, it looked likely you would have been lynched based on Jackel's failed kill or vigged by kraska within a Day or two, but really, who knows.

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ArcAngel is here for the dead thread now. Say hello!

Spoiler:

Scum have a tricky period coming up tomorrow if the right things happen for town tonight. The 7 of diamonds is poised to be trumps which will allow two more town-aligned card revives AND a double-lynch. The 6 of hearts allows two card draws tonight and Maxous has a shuffle. Vecna (scum with one of the card draws) knows the 7 of diamonds is coming up through the use of his card spy and doesn't want it to come up, so he could use his draw card to draw the 7 of diamonds into his hand, or he can draw from the bottom of the deck to keep the 7 of diamonds on top. Since Maxous, his neighbour partner knows his cards (and Vecna's card spy results), he also knows the 7 of diamonds will be good for the town. Vecna drawing from the top of the deck instead of the bottom will look very scummy. Maxous also has a shuffle power active from hearts that he won't be using tonight.

Davesaz also has a draw card but doesn't know this information (I don't think), so it's possible he may draw from the top (instead of the bottom) and take the 7 of diamonds into his own hand and ruin things for the town.

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Massclaim has a chance to catch a couple of scum as two of the team have very incriminating cards, but there isn't much space for fakeclaims once the Inventory powers get used more. Vecna is strategising extremely well for scum behind closed doors, however.

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dazesaz is dead. please welcome him!

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it was indeed. surprisingly few vigs were taken in the draft (no player picked the 7 of spades).

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Correct.

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I think that was a very calculating kill by scum to stop dave reviving a card, as well as getting rid of his great hand (he would have had an active action for 5 phases in a row if he lived til tomorrow). Vecna also deduced that the 3 of clubs was likely revived to dave, and will probably incriminate a few people.

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Dunnstral in particular could end up being framed here for reviving a card to dave then him conveniently dying. Not to mention being in the same neighbourhood as him.

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welcome mathblade everyone!

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Town missed Uzi scumslipping, as he fakeclaimed a 7 of clubs (Tracker) and said he tracked Titus on D4 but she actually was already dead on N3. Could be a crucial error (especially after mislynching twice) as Uzi now has a scumdirected vig-shot.

Kison and Uzi have fakeclaimed, so TWIE should catch one of them with a card cop tonight, but town needs a lucky shuffle tonight and good trump cards to have any chance at all to come back.

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Welcome dead man spyrex!

Also, TWIE has card copped Kison and found him to be fakeclaiming, so today will revolve around who is lying between TWIE/Kison. If they're right, they'll enter Day 7 with a 6:3 ratio and could genuinely make a comeback as the trump card for that phase is a very beneficial one for town.

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I think the fact that scum could choose to use their factional kill during the Day rather than the Night sorta sucked.

Mmm, I don't know if I'd use the same mechanics for the factional kill again tbh. It's also going to potentially create some endgame issues like, for example, a 5:4 lylo where scum can kill to prevent a town majority for a lynch, which forces town to quicklynch before scum kill, which is kinda inelegant.

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It's more MYLO becomes LYLO and the day before MYLO becomes MYLO with this mechanic, which is why an extra townie was added to the standard 17:5 ratio large PYP games usually use.

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oh good, you found the dead thread!

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thanks for playing giga, your posts were very enjoyable to read and you really explored the setup creatively and cleverly. your reads were a bit hit and miss, but other than titus, all the town's have been really!

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I'm liking this bus by Vecna. He knows LUV is going down today or tomorrow, so might as well get some credit for "catching" him.

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i'm still betting on a scum win but i don't think it's 100%

i'd give town maybe 15%?

gerry/Grey/Dunn are all too wrong and stubborn and will probably cost the town the game. But the town has a good trump tomorrow coming up that could get them back in the game (8 of diamonds). So, grey gets a vig that can hit kison or gerry, and there are two lynches while grey is alive.

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i'm still betting on a scum win but i don't think it's 100%

i'd give town maybe 15%?

gerry/Grey/Dunn are all too wrong and stubborn and will probably cost the town the game. But the town has a good trump tomorrow coming up that could get them back in the game (8 of diamonds). So, grey gets a vig that can hit kison or gerry, and there are two lynches while grey is alive.

but grey wants to shoot twie and dunn probably -___-

grey's vig shot is a royalty shot, so he can only successfully target kison or gerry. getting rid of either is helpful for the town as gerry's reads will cost the town the game if kept alive and kison is scum. grey also might draw the scumkill, which prevents fishy being shot tomorrow and removes grey as a mislynch candidate/really wrong voter.

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When the town lynches Uzi today, they'll enter 6:3 tomorrow with Lights Out Lynching and Grey's royalty vig. Vecna has a card spy and Fishy has a shuffle. I think the best case scenario for town is:

- Grey vigs Kison (better than town lynching him, as this solves the Kison/TWIE dipole without having to wait until the flip at end of Day)
- Vecna card spies (Jack of Diamonds, 5 of Clubs, King of Spades) - not particularly useful cards coming up for town, which then prompts...
- Fishy to shuffle (hoping for a club to come up next at night enabling him to rig his 2 of diamonds on N7 which would prevent the scum kill on Day 8) - for this to happen, scum needs to feel the pressure from Grey's cards and kill him instead of Fishy.
- Town then lynches gerry or Dunn. Unless something miraculous happens, I don't see drealmerz or Vecna being lynched tomorrow, so town needs to get rid of one of the most wrong/stubborn players to give themselves a chance of figuring it out on Day 8 in an endgame of TWIE/Fish/Max/Vecna/drealmerz and one of gerry/Dunn. This endgame is winnable if town gets lucky with a club shuffled to the top of the deck, as it means you can mislynch gerry/Dunn and still have 48 hour lynches to lynch between Max/Vecna/drealmerz the next day.

I think scum will be smart enough to not kill Grey and realize that four kills (two lynches/vig/scumkill) can put them in 3:2 tomorrow and effectively put the town on a 48 hour clock to lynch scum with a worse combination of players for town. An endgame of Grey/Max/Vecna/drealmerz and one of gerry/Dunn seems must easier to close out for scum even if it does give the town an extra lynch on D7.

I think a lot needs to go right for town to win, and barring stubborn townies doing miraculous 180's on reads, it still seems like a longshot. Vecna and drealmerz are too well hidden and have bussed very well.

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which would prevent the scum kill on Day 8

scumkill can't be prevented because we lynched mathblade and spyrex

oh yeah, forgot about that!

other than grey's vigs, there aren't many powers left for scum to fear.

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well played uzi! you survived way longer than i expected after coming under serious heat early in the game.

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what's your prediction for today giga? lots of different ways it can go with so many kills available.

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i think grey vigs kison which pseudo-clears TWIE, and then scum kill grey giving the town only one lynch, probably on gerry or dunn. slight chance of a maxous lynch too.

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hahaha, i think that read is going to cost town the game

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Grey's vig only works on players with Jacks/Queens/Kings. So, he can vig gerry or Kison.

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If gerry somehow survives until tomorrow, the 5 of clubs is trumps which would make him vengeful and may disrupt scum's plans if they bank on him being the mislynch to win the game.

Having said that, it's probably optimal for Fishy to shuffle later in the day, as one of two is true:

1) Vecna is town and will use his watcher instead of card spy, meaning nobody knows what cards are coming up.
2) Vecna is scum and will card spy instead of watching, meaning scum know what's coming up and not town.

Shuffling affects nothing if Vecna is town, but takes information away from scum if Vecna is scum.

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Yep, Vecna drew the other 8 of diamonds.

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A good reason for gerry being town is his silly selection of two kings. Even if a king came up (which became less likely due to selecting an extra king), he'd only be able to use one of the powers. If he was part of a scumteam, his buddies probably would have told him to not pick two kings.

I don't recall anyone making this argument in thread.

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^beautiful!

aaaaaand please welcome TWIE to the dead thread!

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fuck i wasnt expecting to die today.

Did you want to stay alive?

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I (Quilford) thought scum should have shot -Grey- to do away with the Lights Out Lynching. Now that Fishy's shuffled, there's an even more compelling reason...

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He won't be any more if

he kills scum with the vig shot he's going to get tonight.

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Well, Town better hope they turn around over the course of the Day,

because a certain scum is going to be unlynchable on Day 8.

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We can seriously win this if

grey survives and shoots vecna

Tbh I don't know why I'm still spoilering stuff

I think town's best chance is Grey surviving and shooting drealmerz instead of Vecna, as drealmerz is lynchproof tomorrow in a 3:1 endgame.

They really need to mislynch Maxous/gerry today instead of Grey to have a chance imo. I just don't see the town winning a 3:2 LYLO48 situation.

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If Grey knew a 10 was coming up tonight, I don't think he'd throw in the towel just yet, although this might be one of those modern AtE plays that I hear the kids like to do these days.

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Welcome Grey to the dead thread everyone!

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Town is in big trouble now. They need to lynch within 48 hours and drealmerz will be lynchproof tomorrow. Maxous has a network of neighbourhoods going with Vecna/drealmerz/Fishy and drealmerz is neighboured with Fishy also, so all the town except gerry can talk together to pre-organise a lynch, but all it takes is just one townie to be wrong. Maxous/Fishy/gerry all have to vote Vecna - I don't see it happening...

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I see Fishy going after Maxous tomorrow.

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Isn't it game either? Scum can just kill during the day.

Scum can't kill til the 48 hour mark, so town can rally a quicklynch before then if they're organised enough.

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Fish and Max aren't going to quick vote in LYLO imo, Gerry would though.

Well they have to, otherwise they lose the game anyway.

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Game's over, go post in thread!