Mini 2036: Charging Up! - Game Over

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VOTE: NSG

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Hi I'm Postie

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VOTE: radiantcowbells

It had to be done

Don't do this

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sup honeybunch

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pls don't do that.

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VOTE: NSG

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if you're town i want to make you play the game if you're scum I want to find and lynch you.

not a joke just the correct play.

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get back on NSG

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i'm skeptical that nsg is town here.

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Hey NSG

You have two choices

1) Prove that you're town in the next 24 hours. Upon doing so you have my vote to lynch whoever you scumread and I'll help you get other votes

2) I lynch you.

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It does nothing for me.

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yes, i did. i didn't get your lynch through in the early days but i don't think that takes away from my "catching" you.

i thought a few of your reactions to the jailkeeper info coming out were vaguely towny and i came to the conclusion that if maria wasn't scum then her read on you (which for some reason she was lying about) was probably right.

Forgive me but we thought you actually knew we were town and were roleblocking Kokichi knowing that we were gonna lynch stungun. We knew stungun was town but didn't want to interfere with our suspected master plan. Obviously we were wrong and you were just scumreading us, but I guess I was errantly hopeful that you would read me right someday.

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Nsg what's ur slimer read

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manatee lady angel porkens town

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i care

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that was out of nowhere.

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It's only been 23 hours but

VOTE: nsg

Y'all can lynch when ready

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my lack of force is moreso due to my current emotional state than anything within the confines of this game.
I'm also rather happy to let the discourse go on for a bit before I lynch you and given our history I have little worry about not being able to get said lynch through.

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DS understand that the person you claimed as a hard townread is someone that I am hard scumreading and have never been wrong on
so I'd calm down on saying that you're the best unless you're scum here.

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that said I think that you're scum

I think the entire scumteam is DS/Slimer3/NSG

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OK

please lynch DS when NSG flips scum

this reaction to being called out for it is incredibly SvS indicative.

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like slimer's reaction was terrible but this is actually worse.

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DS understand that the person you claimed as a hard townread is someone that I am hard scumreading and have never been wrong on
so I'd calm down on saying that you're the best unless you're scum here.

Okay now what about the people I'm scum reading? I'll trust my judgment over yours btw.

that said I think that you're scum

I think the entire scumteam is DS/Slimer3/NSG

Ooh, saucey. So you both think that I am scum and that I am sussing one of my teammates in my opening salvo? Can you go further into your scum read on me? Expound, if you will. I assume it is not solely based on me townreading one of your scum reads?

RC, I notice that you have been tunneling NSG since post #17. What was this deeply insightful read that you got off of her yarrr post?

like holy trinity of terrible

1) discrediting my NSG read
2) trying to get towncred because they 'sussed one of their teammates in their opening salvo' like scum aren't gonna distance early
3) making the excuse for not voting NSG that they're gonna trust their reads over mine

when someone says they have an 100% accurate read somewhere and that you're wrong I would expect anyone who makes the claim to be this competent to figure out if the claim is true
when someone rolls scum with NSG and has this big of an ego I expect them to think that they can deflect and discredit me and that's exactly the response that we got.

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DS understand that the person you claimed as a hard townread is someone that I am hard scumreading and have never been wrong on
so I'd calm down on saying that you're the best unless you're scum here.

Okay now what about the people I'm scum reading? I'll trust my judgment over yours btw.

that said I think that you're scum

I think the entire scumteam is DS/Slimer3/NSG

Ooh, saucey. So you both think that I am scum and that I am sussing one of my teammates in my opening salvo? Can you go further into your scum read on me? Expound, if you will. I assume it is not solely based on me townreading one of your scum reads?

RC, I notice that you have been tunneling NSG since post #17. What was this deeply insightful read that you got off of her yarrr post?

like holy trinity of terrible

1) discrediting my NSG read
2) trying to get towncred because they 'sussed one of their teammates in their opening salvo' like scum aren't gonna distance early
3) making the excuse for not voting NSG that they're gonna trust their reads over mine

when someone says they have an 100% accurate read somewhere and that you're wrong I would expect anyone who makes the claim to be this competent to figure out if the claim is true
when someone rolls scum with NSG and has this big of an ego I expect them to think that they can deflect and discredit me and that's exactly the response that we got.

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I don't have to prove my case on NSG.

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Discredit my scumread on you more.

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The worst has been replaced with the best. Nice to meet you all, my name is DS and I am the GOAT, but you'll come to know that shortly.

Let's play.

Lol this should be fun

You should either

1) hardclaim scum in your next post
2) vote NSG

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I don't have to prove my case on NSG.

Yeah, you don't have to. Yet the real question is, can you?

making a case just gives the opportunity for scumfuck mcgee no.2 aka DS to attack the reasons
plus it's a lot effort

when i can just say that NSG is scum

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so me think why waste time say lot word when few word do trick

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!

DS just said yarr

he

must

be scum

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wait

he said yarrr twice

I think that means he's claiming neutral survivor

nvm we can let DS live as long as he votes with town

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Kokichi

do u understand that me calling nsg lockscum on page 4 of be yourself wasn't a one time thing

like your read on her doesn't even come into play here

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no???

you're confirmed neutral survivor by the double yarr

nsg confirmed scum via single yarr
kokichi hardclaimed scum as well

slimer3 likely left over

shit setup for including a vivor, but

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if this lobby was half decent NSG would already be lynched by now.

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if you're not voting NSG when I call her scum you're fucking terrible at mafia and need to stop playing it.

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Not sold whatsoever on the northsidegal wagon, RC hasn't really done much to convince anyone besides practically yelling it with no substance.

I don't have to convince anyone when I've got a perfect ability to read her and no one else in this game has a perfect ability to read her.
I'm not going to make a case here: anyone can go back into games where me/NSG coincided and check if my read is accurate. it is.

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like if you're trying to build a house and an engineer tells you that a set of walls isn't going to hold the structure up and you say nah, my opinion is equally valid and I think that the set of walls will work!
then you're not just like a dumb person, which is forgivable since not everyone is smart. you're a person who is dumb and obtuse, and of these two crimes the crime of being obtuse is far more valid.

the only game I've ever mislynched her I was scum. if you're not going to vote her you should vote me.

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this really shouldn't be an argument or a discussion and the fact that this many people have posted without voting nsg tells me all I need to know about the quality of the upcoming game.

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like let's be 100% clear where this is coming from because apparently when I said I had an 100% ability to read her it wasn't taken seriously

outside of the 10+ games where we've played together where I've correctly locked her as town, usually within 4-5 of her posts
outside of the sole time that NSG has rolled SK in a game with me where I called her 100% scum when she was like 3 posts into the game

even when I stopped playing mafia I would amuse myself by reading her ISOs in games and trying to get my read accuracy down to requiring a single post.

single post did not work perfectly but had only 1 error and that was a newbie which I'll provide a link to if it ever strikes my fancy
but that's 1 mistake reading a game off of a single post

i had her as scum off of yarr, yes. as town like 10%, at most, of her posts do not tell me that she's town.
nothing she's done this game has told me she's town, ergo she's scum.

for example, Lane, remember my read on Titus? My read on NSG is

better

than that. (mostly because she's worse at scum, but life happens.)

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so your reads on her don't matter. don't care. you're a random dude with no background telling the guy building your house how to build it.

vote her or assume that I'm scum pushing her or vote me. no other options.

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sry if that's not, like, a fun mafia experience??? but playing against your wincon is not a fun mafia experience either and there's plenty of game days to play mafia.

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other reads than the person who literally has never made a mistake reading another person?

is your goal to lynch scum or not?

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when a cop claims a guilty do you not lynch them because you might want to push other people and get a different read on that slot? is that how you play mafia?

Or you could just be Mafia abusing read proficiency

Then vote me and find out if that's true then lynch NSG when I flip town.

if you agree with the premise that there's at least 1 scum in NSG/RC you have 50% odds scum here versus 20% elsewhere, why are yo unot voting either of us
and I mean I totally would as scum powerlynch NSG for amusement given that I have done so at least once in the past. the difference in her response though, is telling.

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i mean you're an idiot but at least you're an idiot making a rational decision

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if I do get lynched all 3 of DS/Slimer3/NSG are not to go to endgame

NSG is the only one I can 100% scum but the other 2 are extremely likely to have at least 1 scum.

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i've correctly nailed her in every game she's played on this site - 1 where she was on an alt playing with ad iff playstyle

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I'm not your babysitter LA.

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I liked making cases and being nice and yada yada but that just got me taken advantage of.
every time I've experimented with trying to be nicer it's taught me that that doesn't work.

so, y'all get this RC because it's what works

not even fully caught up but RC if you want to push me i will do everything in my power to make sure that your slot will die

I would expect nothing less

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oo

me dragging us both down.

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NSG every game: yeah RC is definitely scum
NSG every game: either wastes a PR on or mislynches RC
NSG this game: don't drag us both down

oof

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i'm counting on that given that I expect to be mislynched here.

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first off: you're scum this game
second off: your flagrant inability to read me isn't me dragging us both down. it's you bringing us both down.

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like I know what you're appealing to in terms of trying to be your town self but if you were town it would just antagonize me more and you'd recognize that and take a different tac.

I haven't brought up anything related to my ability to read you. What I said wasn't related to a read on you at all - it's just me saying that if you're going to try to lynch me i can only assume that you're doing it as scum.

Is my inability to read you something you take issue specifically with me for? I recall you saying that nobody can read you.

so vote me and let's get this show on the road. and nah, you're just one of many and I'm particularly bitter about it right now.

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and this should go without saying but it apparently it doesn't to you? but there's a difference between being unable to read me and automatically assuming that I'm scum.

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I don't like the fact that me being scum just trying to mislynch a player that I would otherwise have to clear hasn't come up at all.
I don't like the complete lack of anything in your ISO that gives me townfeels and it would literally be a first game ever if you're actually town here.

Sure, I can call recess for another 48 hours but I don't expect anything to change and I don't expect this to have been your reaction if you were town, so...?

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do you really believe that i'm scum? because you don't seem very convinced - at least, you don't seem to have much of a sense of urgency or conviction.

and like, why ever make this post?

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i mean, sure. on an intellectual level you have stated that me pushing you makes me scum. nothing you have said outside of stating future events gives me the impression that you're scumreading me.

I would expect a reaction much more similar to votefuckery if you were town given that I'm doing the exact same thing as there, essentially

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i can only see things getting worse if we continue down this path - not even just for this game, but for future games as well.

?

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on some level i would even cite differences between the way you pushed me that game and this game as reasons to -not- scumread you.

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just to be clear i'm not, like, mad at you outside of the fact that I feel like you rolled scum

it's actually kind of heartbreaking to push on you for me rn

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ok w/e

i really feel like i would be townreading you right now if you were town but i'm pretty messy irl rn and i don't have it in me to push you while you're calling me town

can we vote slimer or DS

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LA is kind of transparently town and DS's lane push was absolute, absolute garbage
really good equity there

slimer3's reaction to you was also awful (and i thought at the time svs) but not quite as sure that it's not something that's necessarily scummy

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please don't scumread me for backing off on you I can't deal with it rn

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and i don't ask that lightly

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eh
i'm gonna just assume that i was right on nsg and ds

VOTE: DS

if you're town it's my turn to trust you 0 so you should be sheeping me NSG.

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I have a feeling this is all a facade. Watch them both be scum.

this is an absolutely unbelievable post. no one, like competency not required not even a total newbie as their first reaction calls me and NSG SvS. so that to me locks DS as scum. going beyond that, I don't really see why DS call us SvS if we're both town, I mean I guess it's

plausible

he wants to discredit the mutual "townreads" there but I think the more likely answer is that NSG was in fact scum, DS has gotten to the point of thinking he won't keep NSG up forever, and wants to try to sneak my mislynch on the back end.

and given that I've made it super clear that my unvote on NSG was less due to townreading her and more due to just, like, not wanting to, there's no reason I'd vote her over DS here. the fact that he decided to handwave all the interactions between me and NSG, dismiss that entire engagement as a facade, and go back to 'well RC said 100% read' is incredibly disingenuous and something that came out of some sort of scum motivation 100% of the time. town him also doesn't make that post about me being a meme so why follow me, that's not a post you make about a scumread.

like maaaybe NSG actually is town if he saw that as us coming together in a way that didn't actually happen but this is more about DS than NSG either way.

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don't form reads very fast. So yeah, that was the thing that stuck out the most to me so far. How can you even call out "Lurkers" before there's 24 hours passed?

Probably not the most scummy thing ever but I have nothing else right now.

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okay so let's drill into this Manatee/Lane thing a bit

When someone votes seriously, I'm interested. You don't have to be. But I want to know what he means. He doesn't want to explain it. Can you explain it? If not, does it matter to you the reasons for people's cases? If not, why not?

in my view, slimer's original comment was nothing more than a joke and NAI. but I can easily imagine how someone else may not see it as just a joke and could have inferred some weird/unnecessary shade in it. I don't agree with that read, I don't immediately share Manatee's suspicion, but I can understand it so I also don't see it as disingenuous, especially for a page 1 read/vote. And that's entirely the level of thought I feel is necessary to evaluate the whole thing. I have a plausible town explanation for Manatee's behavior, no solid reason to prefer an alternative scum!explanation, and therefore it's not worth diving into further.

You can't seem to imagine this relatively simple town!Manatee explanation for his vote and that's more concerning to me. How much can Manatee really offer beyond what he's said already? He thought the shade that he saw in that post was weird so he voted it. What more would you expect him to explain? Yours doesn't feel like a productive line of questioning, it looks more like busy work to start conflicts and get a foot in the game. Maybe in the abstract, "are weird posts scummy?" is a good question for the Mafia Discussion board, but if you want to dive that deep into every single vote or claim that anyone makes you're going to rapidly lose sight of the bigger picture and create a bunch of tangential arguments that only become noise in the thread.

And what also looks bad is how you're strawmanning me here - I have never suggested that "the reasons for people's cases" don't matter to me. But Manatee's vote was a) not nearly at the level I would call a 'case', and b) already sufficiently explained for what it was

You just answered my questions... To you, my interest in the situation was scummy. I wanted to figure out how/why you were disinterested. I asked you about it. And you just now answered.

I can imagine it coming from town or scum, that is why I asked about it. I had questions. I wanted them answered. If I couldn't imagine them coming from town, my questions would've been paired with a vote. A vote that came later after manatee wouldnt acknowledge the questions. And were ultimately explained away as a misunderstanding. Which can come from town or scum, but doesnt pass the smell test.

I can see scum latching on to something pregame to insert THEMselves into the game immediately.

Again, I'm not offended if you didn't feel the need to dive into it, but I did. And I'm not exactly satisfied with the "so I'm being wagoned for a misunderstanding" bit. Not much of a wagon, and there wouldn't be one at all if he just answered the questions. I can't say for certain there wouldn't be I guess, but not answering was the biggest reason for voting him.

Can someone with meta knowledge of this person tell me if unnecessary walls are common for them?

then like going back to his reads, when the fuck does anyone town scumread anyone for 'unnecessary walls'?

I had no problem with Manatee's poke on slimer and I'm not sure why it caught interest between both lane and Kokichi. feels like there could be scum between those two

Vax is still a good vote IMO

too many lurkers

Why would you post this less than 24 hours into the game..?

Bonus points for not posting anything after calling out lurkers less than a day in, too.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Porkens

Lady Angel, do you really think Porkens' comment is the most scum-indicative/noteworthy thing that has happened so far? I'm surprised that this was what you felt was most important to comment on

I don't form reads very fast. So yeah, that was the thing that stuck out the most to me so far. How can you even call out "Lurkers" before there's 24 hours passed?

Probably not the most scummy thing ever but I have nothing else right now.

Tagging this as pinging my scumdar. This is something scum does often, picking a small little thing and trying to make it into more than it is.

then, like, LA brought up something that she said was a small thing and not most scummy thing and DS, apparently unironically, picked up on a small thing and tried to make it into more than it is.

LA is unironically obviously town this game, and both this push and the lane push are like awful. like lane do you not have a problem with being called 1/3 scum for making 'unnecessary wallposts'

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because he hasn't yet sheeped me on the power DS wagon

lane will learn in time

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Also I've thought about it more and I think Slimer is unlikely to flip scum.

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Why don't you vote him then?

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VOTE: slimer

Can you stop making decisions in this game with the primary focus being to spite me?

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I don't think that you not unvoting NSG is scummy at all. It's not like you're leaving the vote up with the intent of getting her lynched. You just haven't got anywhere else to vote, that's pretty natural.
What is unnatural to me is the fact that you haven't voted DS to me. There's a developing wagon there, you've already expressed your agreement, they pushed on you in a really scummy way, but you don't vote there.

Why?

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I agree that Slimer3 is town. if he deserves your vote, why don't you give him your vote?

Again, you way overestimate your importance, I think slimer is scum

This is fine then but what if I told you that by meta Slimer3 making ridiculous posts like this isn't a scumtell and he's actually more... ordinary? as scum

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like here's an example of one of Slimer's scum ISOs, copy it manually so I odn't have to do the work setting up the link with the text substitutions

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73079&user_select[]=20154

he doesn't say anything 'strange', he just has very boring reads and a very boring trajectory and is very 'ordinary' aside from phrasing. doesn't say weird things like he does here.

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=72010&user_select[]=20154

here's a game where he rolls town, says a bunch of 'strange' things including telling everyone to claim scum and selfvote, and gets lynched d1 for it.

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Hey NSG

You have two choices

1) Prove that you're town in the next 24 hours. Upon doing so you have my vote to lynch whoever you scumread and I'll help you get other votes

2) I lynch you.

Even if he clears himself of town that wouldn't make his reads accurate, now would lynching him right now be practical. Where are you going with this?

I mean, the idea of someone proving that their town to get a free "hey, I'll help you lynch whoever you want" just seems anti-town in the way of trying to find scum.
The the inscentive is "I'll lynch you" if you dont. I mean who the hell does that?

like don't get me wrong my first impression was that these two posts were a hard scumclaim as well
but based on what i've seen of their meta he outright doesn't make posts like this as scum at all and constantly says weird shit that gets him mislynched as town.

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{RC}
{Slimer, Lady Angel, Manateedude}
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townpool as of now, NM being only slightly > null

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this is correct. at one point I thought that slimer3 was hard scum by their play in this game, then I was like ehh that's more weird weird than scummy weird, then I read their past games and realized that it's outright town indicative.

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both have done nothing that says to me that they're one alignment over the other.

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85%

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Okay now how certain are you that I'm scum?

For post game purposes so I can laugh at how wrong you are

This is town 9/10 times

no it's not and you don't get to make that judgement

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if you think me saying "no you don't get to say that a post is 90% likely to come from town" is 'degrading your skill' then idk what to tell you.

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if you think me saying "no you don't get to say that a post is 90% likely to come from town" is 'degrading your skill' then idk what to tell you.

you just said I was 85% scum....

When I say someone is 85% scum it comes off of a long line of being able to accurately deduce said percentages and comes with a heavy mental burden.

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- RC gets like this when he really believes he's correct and isn't being listened to
- RC gets like this when he's trying to bus someone and isn't being listened to

Are these situations really different though? Like if I believe I'm correct cuz scum vs bussing is it really all that different?

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I mean I guess I'm not doing myself a whole lot of favors here but intrinsically me getting pissed off because I'm not listened to isn't gonna be that different whether I'm town or scum at the time.

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Pushing on NSG was, for whatever reason, extremely taxing on me mentally and it's not something that I can deal with today. I can't do it. I don't think she's town, but I can't push her.
I would rather kick the can to later in the game, I'm not afraid of NSG suddenly walking away and not getting lynched and if I'm somehow wrong I'm sure she'll prove it to me.
And for the record: what you have done is proven that I believe in what I was pushing. I did believe in what I was pushing. I don't want to push it right now.

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Kokichi is canadian huh

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ds you're like one of the worst scum players i've seen in a year

how are you still alive

how is this town so bad that they don't know you're scum lol

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mm

you mean MU?

mu's players are trash

i walked all over the person who won the best town award, he called me mod confirmed town after I literally open wolfed D1.

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like if the rationale you wanna use is 'oh no one would catch me if im scum' dont cite accomplishments on a site where the town meta is based on 40%ish of the site being too incompetent to survive D1 as scum.

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like spare me the theatrics, you're not a good scum player. i'll show you good scum play someday, maybe? but this ain't it.

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as horrible as ms towns are about mislynching me when i've obvtowned you can't mislynch me here.

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i read several of the champ games, i was not impressed.

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having seen your scum game here i doubt i'd be impressed at all.
you have several glaring flaws in your approach that make you obvious scum.
you're like me at the very start of my career before I learned to play around the ways to read competent scum players.

I'm not trying to derail the thread tho, nice try RC

ahahaha
again, you can't mislynch me. you can maybe mislynch slimer3 but you'll die tomorrow. do what you want, this is a dead end for you.

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I don't just know that you're scum by the way, I have two scum hard pinned. and I have reason to believe I'll be making it to tomorrow. What fun for you!

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lol MU

did you check the games that I referenced that show that Slimer3 behaving in the way that he has this game is not scum indicative?

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gl with that

i'd make that post as scum too, dw

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except not with the decisions that you made that made it scummy

My version would be a much more simple

'I'm town fuck off'

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lol MU

did you check the games that I referenced that show that Slimer3 behaving in the way that he has this game is not scum indicative?

No

You should do that. it would inform your read on said slot.

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I'm 100% not scum though

And if you do end up being town I'm going to rub this in your face forever.

see you made two mistakes here

1) the '100% not scum' is scummy. it's not a phrasing town are likely to use.
2) based on your claimed level of scumread on my slot you don't suddenly start addressing what happens if i'm town. that's scum you trying to convince me to back off.

and that's really obvious to me because I can see right through you. maybe other people can't because they're bad. but you're really, like, methodical in a bad way. predictable.

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and that's the problem with all the people I've met who are good scum on other sites. they're

predictable

. they can play one meta extremely well, sure, but that's all they can do.

Idk site rules or meta, but can we comment on a player's activity in an open game vs their activity in this one or nah?

In the vaguest possible terms, yes. For example, you can say I've posted significantly more in other games that this one or vice versa.
You cannot talk to specific patterns in said ongoing game.

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It's gonna be


Soooooooooo


Fucking funny when I flip bro


I can't even put into words how funny it will be.


This is a great first game on this site for me, thanks RC

yw babycakes qtpie
again, you wouldn't find it hilarious to be mislynched by scum because if I was scum it all gets written off because 'lol I was mislynching a townie'

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and if you want to reference activity in games, as of my current gameplay patterns this year, having 20 posts per day is essentially townfirming.
but I'm not exactly trying to convince you that I'm town, am I?

Kokichi is neglecting this game compared to others than potentially

What about lane boy-o

ain't you concerned that he called you scum but isn't voting you?

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sure, sure, sure, sure, sure

I'm betting you thought I was bluffing when I had two caught scum? like I said, I'm not.

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as for NSG, she's a great candidate for 3rd and I have all the time in the world to sort and deal with her. I'll take it as possible that I fucked up somewhere on her yesterday because I was in an awful mood. I'm completely fine giving her a break to recharge her batteries and spew herself scum or something.

But if she's the third scum it's pretty easy after I get two scum flips to say that everyone should quicklynch NSG after

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that shut you up.

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gl with that

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GL's reads are so bad that he's probably scum for that alone.

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holy fuck this town is garbage

like I don't even feel like casing DS right now because he's, like, obviously scum

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do you really think town DS calls Lane scum because he's making 'unnecessary wallposts'? Or are you just townreading him for being an arrogant prat which is extremely easy to fake as scum?
What of his content do you think is actually towny besides the shitty exposition that a bronze tier scum player could fake but that MS players have some ridiculous tendency to TR

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I mean I totally 100% believe that he's tracker ftr

i just... don't care lol

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???

what

like,

why should I care?

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mm

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NSG were you planning on coming back and playing the game at some point?

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ds hasn't stopped being scum but there's more that we need to do today so kindly keep him at L-2. L-2 is a good place for him, tyia

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Now we wait for the northsidegal.

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I'm like... trying to know if this game is really that easy.

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Lady Angel is hard town to me
Slimer is hard town to me
Manatee is hard town to me
Porkens is town to me
I know I'm town

And I'm not scumreading anyone else

That leaves {Lane, NSG, DS} and all 3 of them have mutually jarring interactions.

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Tracker isn't, like, a town role? And if anything I'd put it +equity scum in a game like this?

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I think that he meant town tracker but eh

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What's your Lane read?

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Oh, town vibes now.

Alright, bye DS.

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You can go ahead and hammer when ready.

I've never seen a scum tracker

Plus why the hell would I claim scum tracker

I'm claiming town tracker

First: who the fuck hasn't seen a scum tracker
second: why does he feel the need to specify he claims town tracker

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LEL

I was talking about kokichi br0

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i'm the cutest townie that there ever was.

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btw in response to something you said earlier slimer3, if it's not a town thing to say... then what is it? scum.

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it's not an early claim, dw, that's not the reason that you're scum this game. sorry if you wanted to make a bigger splash in your first game here as scum, but I have a game to win.

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And @LA the reason that DS is overreacting to my posts is because he's scum offended at the idea that I caught him this early.
That's why he's making so much of this about me, and trying to get me back by trying mislynch me and such. his ego is bruised here.

Yeah I know, you're trying to win as scum, and it's pretty fucking obvious

this is like an amrock level scum post.

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Was it not you who made the post about how 'lane is scum for unnecessary wallposts' wasnt a scum thing?

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No I'm town offended for your site that they consider this good scum play from you. I'm pretty obviously town, just claimed a pretty decent town role with no counter, and not a single vote came off of me. There is 100% scum on my wagon and you have been saying "NDG is lock scum, Slimer is scum, DS is lock scum" all game just waiting for someone to sheep you and that's not a town mindstate

lol so outside the fact that this is a scumclaim
i'm explicitly calling slimer town as of now even though I hate his posting and your 'town mindstate' thing is patently absurd

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do you really think town DS calls Lane scum because he's making 'unnecessary wallposts'?

How is that scum tho?

Oh, manateedude. My error.

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Also I even queried you about your willingness to vote the person who was most likely scum on your wagon, but you magically 180ed your nonsense scumread into a nonsense townread.

What are you even talking about?

How the fuck is that a scum claim

What is "not a town response to me calling his previous post a scumclaim".

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open scum trolling?

not on my mafiascum!

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none of these are difficult posts to make as scum in case anyone is gonna townread his very weak ate.

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the sun is going down and christmas is near, just look the other way and I'll disappear forever~

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think you're wrong man.

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i'll bite

1) no reason given / no second guessing like town would do/ all the similar statements- DS isn't too stupid to figure out that's a playstyle thing. mr. goat has encountered people who give little reasoning before.
2) the 'telegraphing that i'm gonna push him as scum' is if anything a towntell because it shows that my read on him didn't come out of nowhere, it came from the posts that I was responding to in them.
3) how often do scum declare a lock scum read then decide not to push them? guessing not so much? it's almost like I'm more concerned with playing my game than doing what looks good.
and, like, it's not hard to figure out that there was something personal that prevented me from wanting to lynch NSG so DS playing dumb to that as wel isn't a good look for him

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LA is never scum. you're scum or bad.

don't compare this to mastina, if you're town and scumread LA I legitimately think less of you

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I am agreeing that if you cop LA and get a guilty you're well within your rights to scumread me and if the guy who rolled cop absolutely HAS to cop her they can go ahead.

but lol

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I am agreeing that if you cop LA and get a guilty you're well within your rights to scumread me and if the guy who rolled cop absolutely HAS to cop her they can go ahead.

but lol

The fact you’re even willing to let LA get copped means you aren’t 100% confident

no

i am just at the point where my mental energy is better served not trying to convince people to not have stupid ass scumreads on town who are obviously lynchbait

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sheep me then. I'm not scum.

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yup

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but what do u know indeed

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naw, I'm gonna hunt for the big fish today

really don't think anything he's done here makes him town.

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Seriously, all I see is alot of bickering, and we could just all compromise on slimer. It wont be a compromise for me, because that what I want, but hey its works for all of you and scum dies! Win Win Win

1) slimer isn't scum
2) fuck you vote scum.

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slimer's town

nsg's probably still scum but I'm giving her an irrational amount of space for some reason

you're scum

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i don't know.

leantown just because there's few slots left that can be scum.

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Like don't get me wrong I fully understand why you scumread Slimer but you're dead wrong. He makes posts as bad as the ones he's made in this game constantly as town. He doesn't as scum.
As scum he's a boring 'reasonable' townie like the majority of scum are. LA and Slimer3 are the kind of people who attract a lot of attention because they play differently, but they're not scum.

I realize that GL if town is going to get massive TM flashbacks but my strategy in TM was predicated around the people who had control over the town being older players who -expected- me to be an arrogant asshole with bad reads and who wouldn't expect me to be right on shit and who would actually townread me acting like a stupid fucking shit because that's what their expectations of me were going into it anyway.

So, again:

{RC, Slimer3}
{Manateedude, LA}
{Porkens}
townreads

{Lane, NSG, DS}
pool of people I think are +above average likelihood to be scum

NSG gets a pass because I want her to have absolutely no excuses. I will vote Lane or DS. Not only do I think both are scum I think that they're buddies and a lot of my read on both are buddy reads.

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you're better than to say something as stupid as that to push on me if you're town.

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why is DS not dead yet?

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I am the GOAT

followed by

Can someone with meta knowledge of this person tell me if unnecessary walls are common for them?

so im literally being wagoned b/c of an early game misunderstanding?

Indirectly you could make that argument if you wanted. It would be incomplete. I wanted clarification, you didn't acknowledge or respond. More than once. And that's why I am voting you. And now I'm trying to figure out why you didn't just say it was a misunderstanding in the first place

Here's scum #2

This and the other wall I quoted is what I picked up as scummy from lane. Over complicating a simple response to seem as if there is more thought behind it than there is. However this is the shakiest of my three reads, which is why I asked for meta on them

I have a feeling this is all a facade. Watch them both be scum.

RC just lilypad jumping all over the place

Yes it is and you don't get to bully people's reads. I feel like you are open scumming, and while its a good strategy, to players who open scum often its noticeable.

If I was scum no one would know I was scum.

I just swept two games as scum in the mafia championships you would have no idea I was scum if I was

Why is your whole post bolded

So that it can stand out

Understandable, pretty smart tbh

Eh, I'm used to posting on forums that have some pretty bad quote mechanics. It's just something I grew to learn to do

@DS: I just find it interesting. Nothing more than a point in the back of my head. I'm sure theres a hundred ways I could have called it scummy if I thought it was

"If I thought it was"

Indicating that you don't actually believe it was because you know I'm town

Lol slip

Tracker is a decent role, and I got pressure off of absolutely nothing other than being the only person willing to push on someone.

Look at the reasons everyone was voting me - it was absolute bullshit. Now vote RC like the outed scum he is.

I've never seen a scum tracker

Plus why the hell would I claim scum tracker

I'm claiming town tracker

What are you even talking about?

How the fuck is that a scum claim

RC is just open scum trolling st this point I'm not going to be drawn into it

I've never seen a scum tracker

Plus why the hell would I claim scum tracker

I'm claiming town tracker

I mean it's feasible you haven't seen scum tracker but why do you have this agnostic outlook to the idea?

Tracker is a traditionally town role, for no one to have come off the vote seems inherently scummy

Votes NSG with first post
is skeptical that they are town
no reasoning given at all
No hesitation in this read, no second guessing like town would do, also he never even unvoted
Again, just wanting to lynch for no reason stated, seemingly regardless of what NSG says
Pretty much telegraphs that hes gonna push me as scum here
and then does, again with little to no reason
And then this starts and now hes pushing me instead of NSG his lock scum read.

Most scum teams I've seen have some combination of busser, godfather, blocker, rolecop, watcher, or some type of strongman/ninja but I've never heard of scum!tracker before that's a new one.

Which would make more sense to give as a one shot ability tho wouldnt it?

Has anyone thought to ask if the one shot ability could be used to charge The Mafia night kill? could we accidentally charge mafia?

but I do find it interesting that you are ranking slimer in the same category as yourself.If you are town, how could you possibly be that sure of another persons alignment?

holy fuck this isn't even good wolf play this is like the most transparent wolf I have seen in decades
everyone who is townreading him here needs to feel bad. like you should feel bad, very bad. this isn't a hard game.
every single read he has given is fucking stupid and he keeps going back to the stupid 1.2 vc or whatever thing because it's the only thing he has said that had any illusion of depth.

sheep your god emperor, thank you.

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yes i have reads and i am very confident in them that

must

make me lockscum thank you for your input mr. totally not open wolfing

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Lolllll that you posted something about sheeping at the exact same time that I was calling you out for doing that previously

called me out for what? telling people who are being really stupid to hurry up and sheep me so I can 3 for 3 sweep this dumb game?

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my read is that your mom isn't really my type tbh

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DS doesn't have the option of backing off because I'm gonna clusterfuck him and bussing doesn't get him anywhere either.

Can you stop saying dumb things and start voting DS?

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that's my secret

I never stop lolcatting

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you're right i'm not convincing

i substitute level of general confidence in my play with having to actually push people

it's gr8

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you'd townread him after my flip?

you're dumb as sin.

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VOTE: Lane

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i stand by slimer town btw

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i'm not sure if i'm proud of nsg or annoyed at her that she gets n1ed before me now

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UNVOTE:

for the record so much of my lane sr was mutual associatives

if my aligbnment is heavily in question here i'm going to actually go back and case why i thought lane/ds were scumbuddies

if not then i'll try to do better today

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LA and Slimer3 are non-associative townreads, i'm still hard defending them here
Manateedude I mostly just didn't think he was scum with the pair I had in question

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Then why open up voting him? Was that your main reason for scumreading lane or something else

honestly? I sort of knee jerk voted him because I was expecting to come in scumreading him but then I thought about it and was like oh yeah he's kind of a bad vote rn

LA is still obvtown

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i don't have an answer honestly?

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It's actually really demoralizing that the two people that I'm hard townreading are consensus scumreads and the people I'm thinking are good votes today are consensus townreads.

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I guess Lane is still an acceptable scumread if I can't come up with anything better.

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I mean there's two approaches here

the one I was taking yesterday where I try to strongarm onto big fish scum
or the one where I trust yall to lynch big fish scum after I explain why they're scum with the little fish

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Once I decide who the fish are ofc ofc

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VOTE: Lane

Still a good starting point

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i still think manatee is town

i just am no longer like hard on that read

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town in order
{RC}
{Slimer3, LA}
{Manateedude}
slightly above null: {GL, Porkens}

probscum
Lane

leftovers are all a huge blob of nulls and scumreads that I can't make heads or tails of in terms of independent reads
there's a lot of pairings that I think are more likely than others but like idk

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town in order
{RC}
{Slimer3, LA}
{Manateedude}

these are good reads. don't ignore these reads when/if I die.

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i think it's disingenuous to have GL and Porkens in the same tier when I think GL is decently likely to be town and porkens is basically just flat null

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so assuming I"m right on GL (which isn't near 100% a given like the rest of those reads)

i need 1 townread in

kokichi
vaxkiller
porkens
nm
gamma emerald
lane

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eh

i'm watering down my reads putting GL as an explicit townread

kokichi
vaxkiller
porkens
nm
gamma emerald
lane
GL

3/7 scum

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strongly leaning towards a particular set of 2 scum then not really sure who the other scum would be

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I kinda want to take manatee out of my 100% townread pool

just LA and Slimer3 the bois or somethin

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bois and 1 girl

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ok that's enough pointless chit chat, I have shit to do yo

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I'm actually not even convinced GL is above null tbh

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Manatee at least decent-ish town equity

I have a lot of ? marks this game

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I thiink Gamma is town but no confidnece in my present ability to read him lol

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more and more confident on 2/3 scum

more and more jesus all of yall are scummy on the rest of everything

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OK I'm just gonna commit on Lane because he's scum

VOTE: Lane

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Why don't you vote him then?

He deserves my vote, but I was thinking I'd dig into this slimer thing and figure out why he got all the votes. I haven't been getting a scum vibe from him at all.

I don't think that you not unvoting NSG is scummy at all. It's not like you're leaving the vote up with the intent of getting her lynched. You just haven't got anywhere else to vote, that's pretty natural.
What is unnatural to me is the fact that you haven't voted DS to me. There's a developing wagon there, you've already expressed your agreement, they pushed on you in a really scummy way, but you don't vote there.

Why?

And Ive literally just been sleeping, now awake and catching up. Kind of rereading last night's happenings. Simply just haven't. There's not much more to it than that

Pedit: new reason for not voting there to spite you cause you keep asking. I'm not in any rush. I'd also like to make sure slimer doesn't deserve it more



So if anyone can explain the slimer thing....

These are the two posts that really convince me on lane scum

A super vague 'doesnt give me scum vibes' and the request for more information all feel really scummy to me, like I find it hard to not at least find something scummy there and I don't get the impression that lane actually trying to read them as opposed to just saying what he thought sounded good and townie.

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I believe it btw

... Would there be a reason not to? This post has me scratching my head

Okay?

Are we playing a name the most powerful role game now or something?

No, we're playing a mafia game where everyone has a role and some are more indispensable than others game.

also neither of these feel like townposts or meh

I stand by that DS was saying some really dumb shit and I thought he would be better than he was from his entrance

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True as that may be I was not lynching NSG for a reason and it's pretty damn ubiquitous for me to have a very tight poe on the game and then end up lynching the only town in that group.

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like it's one of the most classically RC things for me to say that ~4 people contain all the remaining scum, for the single town in that group to get lynched, then for the rest of my reads to be discredited.
DS was DS. I thought that someone who claimed GOAT would be smarter than to say any of the things in the quote wall I put together yesterday. Plus he was calling me scum all day which generally makes me tunnel.

You should do that Kokichi.

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I don't talk about myself in the 3rd person. I consider RC as the forum persona exists to be a different person than me because by this point it is absolutely a different person than me.

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And no, I'm not taking his word on it. I looked at how RC was acting at his peak of trying to lynch NSG and it matched up well with how RC tried to lynch a scum MathBlade in Lynch the wolves, right down to the frustration at not being listened to. Simply put, regardless of RC's level of read proficiency, his reaction and attempt to push her indicate that he was extremely confident in it. Does that mean it's right? No, it could be a mislynch or a scum push, but so far, from what I've seen of RC, that level of confidence seems difficult to engineer. And were it to flip town, I would be very glad to lynch RC tomorrow.

Actually I do have a question for you LA.

If that level of confidence is difficult for me to engineer, then doesn't NSG flipping town make me, like, wrong? If I couldn't adequately fake that 100% surety Scum V Town then...

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also to solely define my gameplay by the intellectual level is silly because I am a person who abides by my feelings. regardless of what I thought of her play I didn't lynch NSG yesterday and given that I had no experience of feeling like I was being stabbed when I correctly lynched NSG as scum it's not as if her being town didn't stop me from lynching her, if you think of it like that.

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I have a feeling this is all a facade. Watch them both be scum.

also now that we know that nsg is town i can just say this is the worst post i have ever seen. ever.

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anyway i'm not her to bash DS, I don't care about any of his reads going forward but I did mislynch him so that's on me as well but damn wtf

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Dunno. I feel like there might be something to me just not being in the right mindset because of something that happened between good games like the recently finished newbie and, well, this.
I wouldn't be surprised if one of my core townreads was wrong and that's a very rare feeling for me. Lane shooould be scum still though I think?

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Eh but if I like read their ISOs I still think they're both locktown. But am I actually willing to hard defend LA to the death? I thiiink so? I'm not sure.

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Yeah I guess I'll take my hand off the wheel in terms of defending people for today at least I guess.

I think that Lane is still best scum equity though.