Micro 839: Two-in-One (its over)

[Pine]

Also, I’ve understood most of your posts just fine, barring the B7 vote I misread. It’s why I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re most likely a VT.

PE: There’s a 50/50 chance Seer is just a named Townie, and scum!me killing the realSeer!Taly just gets me turbo-lynched in 2:1 LYLO for a loss. It doesn’t make sense.

[Pine]

Deny Seer, or 1v1 me.

Right now.

[Taly]

Also, kudos on completely deflecting any argument I made on you in Page 18

Pine

You can do the whole

"Seer and Cop are huge role distinctions"

, but nothing about you says town/town to me, especially Town PR/Town PR.

How about you actually tell me why

Irrelephant

is scum? Forget the claims, forget any associative or bussing, why is

Ire

scum?

Cool

Lynch Taly now

(<3 Taly)

Cool

Lynch Taly now

(<3 Taly)

This

Also hardclaim C14 cop inno on Persivul

On second thought, Irrelephant is absolutely ballsy enough to pre-emptively claim Cop. We're in 3:2 LYLO, so he has nothing to lose. Balls, there goes that POE.

imo irrelephant is lying

imo irrelephant is lying

Calling it.

xyzzy is bussing Irrelephant here.

okay now that that's over Taly claimed C14 cop in our B7 PT so there is 100% scum in {irrelephant, Taly} and I got the vibe from that PT that he was telling the truth

All of these posts happened in chronological order.

That tells me the

Ire

lynch was setup.

[xyzzy]

Taly, if you're town, you really just need to claim immediately

[Taly]

So you can have a reason to NK me tonight?

I'm done with this conversation.

If neither of you have a reason to ACTUALLY state

Ire's

scum other than a ass-pull unconfirmed CC, then you're both scum, trying to gauge which one of us you'll NK tonight when you can't lynch the other and one of you gets caught.

[Taly]

When scum is giving you the ultimatum of CC'ing or getting

"mercilessly

(mis)

lynched"

[xyzzy]

hey Taly, yes or no question: was I lying when I said that you claimed cop in our PT? you haven't really explicitly said that I'm lying, and I want to be 100% sure that that's what you're claiming.

one way or another, a bunch of claims were going to come out today. I thought it was the right choice to come right out and confirm what you told me to do, because if you honestly think it's *not* a good idea to counterclaim as cop in that situation, you're just.......... utterly fucking daft

[Pine]

I can think of absolutely no reason not to fullclaim in Town!Taly's position.

I mean, imagine for a sec that Taly is the Seer. CC, boom, set up 1v1 with guaranteed scum. Now imagine I'm telling the truth, and I am the Seer (this it the real scenario). Town!Taly in this situation is softing my role, and instead of vindictively demanding his head, I'm giving him repeated chances to back down. There's no other Seer claim, and it's an open setup.

Taly, why in the fuck won't you at LEAST answer xyzzy and I about your softclaims?

[Persivul]

Yes, regardless of his position on mass claiming, at this point enough cats are out of the bag that we need a clear claim from him.

[Irrelephant11]

I’m not absolutely sure about that, actually

[Irrelephant11]

oh, so we're using buzzwords to belittle any actual arguments I make now?

VOTE: C14 Pine

Taly is town
Would elaborate but my wife wants me to pay more attention to our guests

[Persivul]

I'm kind of feeling Taly actually.
VOTE: Pine

[Taly]

UNVOTE:

hold up, explain

Pers

[Taly]

just got home

[Persivul]

UNVOTE:

hold up, explain

Pers

You were the towniest player yesterday, and the most thorough in anlysis. I find it unbelievable that you were scum in both games, yet played like that yesterday. If you're sure enough of Pine to put him within scum's reach, I agree.

[Taly]

Should I claim or not? The only reason I'm finally debating on this is because

(xyzzy, Pine, Pers)

can't all numerically be scum.

[Persivul]

Should I claim or not? The only reason I'm finally debating on this is because

(xyzzy, Pine, Pers)

can't all numerically be scum.

Of course you should claim. I take it you're not as sure on Pine as you pretended?

[Irrelephant11]

No, don’t claim
We have the votes
VOTE: C14 Pine

[Taly]

The fact

Ire

posted and didn't auto-vote

Pine

makes me feel I'm right in my reads somewhere.

Plus, why would

Ire

-scum in C14 have

Maki

NKed when he was on the wagon with me?

I just can't see

Ire

-scum based off play... and

xyzzy

completely took every bit of power I had over my play here when he stated I claimed in our PT.

I don't like anything about that. I don't like that

Pine

automatically jumped on

Ire

either the moment HE saw

xyzzy

say

Ire

was lying about his claim.

I don't like that

Pine

says

xyzzy

IS scum in C14 but is so adamant to force a claim stance out of ME to confirm a LYNCH possibility on

Ire

.

[Irrelephant11]

Yes, Taly, I agree
Read between the lines

[Taly]

I just want full clarity on my thoughts first.

(Mostly for Pers)

Hypothetically, in the event that I TRUTHFULLY told

xyzzy

I'm Cop in C14...

The only way

Pine

comes to the conclusion that

Ire

is lying simply based off whatever

xyzzy

said is that they are in a SCUM PT together.

(xyzzy/Pine)

That's why they want to strongarm me into a CC off the basis of what

xyzzy

said, not what

Ire

did or claimed.

Their agenda becomes so much more apparent when they ignore the points I've made about them being scum.

~

Hypothetically, in the event that I DIDN'T actually claim Cop C14 to

xyzzy

?

They have no reason to doubt

Ire's

claim.

They're still scum.

~

I need both

Ire/Pers

to tell me to hammer, and/or not claim here.

Because I literally was about to come here and address, fully-knowing that benefits scum, because not all 3 of you can be scum.

{Pers, xyzzy, Pine}

[xyzzy]

hey Taly, yes or no question: was I lying when I said that you claimed cop in our PT? you haven't really explicitly said that I'm lying, and I want to be 100% sure that that's what you're claiming.

one way or another, a bunch of claims were going to come out today. I thought it was the right choice to come right out and confirm what you told me to do, because if you honestly think it's *not* a good idea to counterclaim as cop in that situation, you're just.......... utterly fucking daft

just answer the fucking question taly

[Irrelephant11]

Pine is always scum here, please hammer

[Taly]

Yes, Taly, I agree
Read between the lines

I want

Pers

to post so I know he's on the same page.

I'm not going anywhere right now.

[xyzzy]

hey Taly, yes or no question: was I lying when I said that you claimed cop in our PT? you haven't really explicitly said that I'm lying, and I want to be 100% sure that that's what you're claiming.

one way or another, a bunch of claims were going to come out today. I thought it was the right choice to come right out and confirm what you told me to do, because if you honestly think it's *not* a good idea to counterclaim as cop in that situation, you're just.......... utterly fucking daft

just answer the fucking question taly