micro 951 mystery box of silver gnine: well we're done here.

[Fishy Logic]

no one will have a degree in psychology, though this does not stop them from practicing it.

The Mod lies!!!



We didn't go to Sea Uni for 8 years for you to diss us like this.

We will not stand for this!

Mostly because only 1 of us has legs.

-Fishy

[Fishy Logic]

VOTE: wooooper

-D

[Fishy Logic]

-D

[Fishy Logic]

shiki is that you?

-D

[Fishy Logic]

VOTE: bugspray

-D

[Fishy Logic]

you can go first.

-D

[Fishy Logic]

i found it funny.

anyway, continuous fluff posting without a trace of anything AI. good slot to pressure early on.

pedit: while it was Fishy that posted that intro, for most games i personally think of my opener before i even get my role PMs. so figure.

-D

[Fishy Logic]

in my head i'm thinking "you're taking vague scumtells and applying them to rvs when they probably shouldn't be applied there"

i reload the page and see skitt's post saying exactly that

is it too early to start townreading skitter

-D

[Fishy Logic]

nahdia, wooper's skitt post and vote (6) came after our """bad""" intro, and wooper held that vote for a good minute before switching back to us. if i were to argue 6 was also "prepared", what do you think?

-D

[Fishy Logic]

....rvs is exactly the time vague scumtells should be applied? because there's not much else to go on?

i shouldn't have used "vague", i wanted to use something like "general", but didn't want to appear to be completely copying skitter, and words are difficult. my point was "scum often feels the need to prepare their posts in game" should not be applied as "scum often feels the need to prepare their posts in rvs".

-D

[Fishy Logic]

yes, while i was waiting for either of you/nahdia to come back and try to give meaning to your votes i decided to pressure the person on this playerlist i have historically had the most accuracy reading thank you for asking

-D

[Fishy Logic]

(arguably i've actually had the most accuracy reading skitter but that's because (1) i townread her in both games we played and (2) she always happened to be town so i'm not gonna put too much stock into that)

holy fuvk the pedits

-D

[Fishy Logic]

nahdia, wooper's skitt post and vote (6) came after our """bad""" intro, and wooper held that vote for a good minute before switching back to us.

if

i were to argue 6 was also "prepared", what do you think?

-D

i'm sorry you.... thought I faked my vote on you becausw it came a minute later but then lol voted bugslray...

so you're ignoring active suspicion on my slot to bash up a null read who is posting badly....

do continue friends I am so curious to see how you're spinning this oje

did you miss the "if" there? i wasn't arguing that, i wanted to see if nahdia would classify your post as "prepared". i wasn't feeling suspicion towards you because you changed a vote in a minute.

-D

[Fishy Logic]

yes, while i was waiting for either of you/nahdia to come back and try to give meaning to your votes i decided to pressure the person on this playerlist i have historically had the most accuracy reading thank you for asking

-D

if you know bugspray I think you probably know they're unlikely to be blown away from shiptoasting by one (1) pressure vote lol

ok wooper

-D

[Fishy Logic]

i dunno? maybe a "why didn't you say that for wooper but did for me" or "what do you then think about wooper voting for me".

-D

[Fishy Logic]

do you seriously have so few other thoughts that this feels important rn?

ok

Spoiler: my thoughts on page 1

hi. i think we should start by mass-claiming our alignments.

dumb but NAI post

A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.

People of Middle-earth. I have an announcement to make during the trying times of this drought.

I am a

dehydrated townie

. I will die at the end of night 1 unless someone hydrates me. I'm assuming there's a town role out there that has a way to hydrate or give water. I'm counting on you tonight.

I wasn't 100% sure whether I should claim this next part and deliberated for quite a while about it, but I think the advantage of town knowing about it outweighs the disadvantage of scum being aware of it.
If I ever become

overhydrated

, I will be revealed as an Innocent Child. Do it if it's feasible or if you think it's a good idea.

huh ok

no one will have a degree in psychology, though this does not stop them from practicing it.

The Mod lies!!!



We didn't go to Sea Uni for 8 years for you to diss us like this.

We will not stand for this!

Mostly because only 1 of us has legs.

-Fishy

10/10 shitpost i'm proud of you fishy

hi guyssss I'm here to bring the moisture

VOTE: skitter30
statistically the more excited I am to play w u the more likely it is that one of us is scum so
you're outed
sorry


people should interact with the wizard's nicely formatted word vomit

NAI post

VOTE: fishy logic

oh cool i'm beign voted

VOTE: wooooper

-D

take that

Hey all!

vla fridays and saturdays, etc

NAI

A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.

People of Middle-earth. I have an announcement to make during the trying times of this drought.

I am a

dehydrated townie

. I will die at the end of night 1 unless someone hydrates me. I'm assuming there's a town role out there that has a way to hydrate or give water. I'm counting on you tonight.

I wasn't 100% sure whether I should claim this next part and deliberated for quite a while about it, but I think the advantage of town knowing about it outweighs the disadvantage of scum being aware of it.
If I ever become

overhydrated

, I will be revealed as an Innocent Child. Do it if it's feasible or if you think it's a good idea.

This is why i play mbos games lol

lol

hi guyssss I'm here to bring the moisture

VOTE: skitter30
statistically the more excited I am to play w u the more likely it is that one of us is scum so
you're outed
sorry


people should interact with the wizard's nicely formatted word vomit

Hi hi hi! I am excited to play with you !

VOTE: wooper

aww people being friendly how nice

VOTE: fishy logic sorry i dont buy that diploma i think its a forgerty

lol

@Olórin are you hectic

hey i had the same thought

[v[fishy logic[/v]

bad opener

haha you failed vote tags

oh no!

VOTE: fishy logic

yeet

uh guys
Fishy Logic are scum
like actually scum

pedit: nahdia gets it

wooper why

-D

am i funny

statistically the more excited I am to play w u the more likely it is that one of us is scum so

adapting this logic for myself in order to VOTE: hellbooks.

@Olórin are you hectic

this seems like a fair assumption since hectic was part of the magus hydra from mystery box of silver sevings and olorin's opening here appears to be a direct reference to hectic's opening from mystery box of silver hate:

viewtopic.php?p=11736760#p11736760

[v[fishy logic[/v]

bad opener

uh guys
Fishy Logic are scum
like actually scum

why?

holy shit is this shiki
also i wonder what are wooper and nahdia gonna say

@Olórin are you hectic

oh
hmmmm

uh guys
Fishy Logic are scum
like actually scum

pedit: nahdia gets it

cuz they ignored olorin's claim?

i have gut townpings on hari!

yeah i wanna see a response to this

shiki is that you?

-D

shiki is that you?

is hellbooks errantparabola? is wooper the worst? i cannot remember.

i'm a genuis

wait ep is in this game? this is a seriously awesome pl and i'm excited

mood

there's a shiki in here?
why the fuck do people have to use alts

anyone down to policy lynch alts

ye ok i don't like this

-D

[Fishy Logic]

valid
skitter read?

early town?

(arguably i've actually had the most accuracy reading skitter but that's because (1) i townread her in both games we played and (2) she always happened to be town so i'm not gonna put too much stock into that)

holy fuvk the pedits

-D

??

the joke is that while i did read you correctly in both our completed games i'm not pretending to know how to read you

-D

[Fishy Logic]

i mean in general maybe but i'm not sure that applies to meme rvs posts
if anything i would associate 'let me go out of my way to make an rvs meme' with townie behavior than scum behavior

in my head i'm thinking "you're taking vague scumtells and applying them to rvs when they probably shouldn't be applied there"

i reload the page and see skitt's post saying exactly that

is it too early to start townreading skitter

-D

[Fishy Logic]

I can see reasons for town reading or scum reading splitter so far this game but I think this is explicitly not alignment indicative, it's like,

exactly an expectation of how people approach the game holistically

i don't know what this means

also idk i'm kinda vibin skitter right now but i don't think i have the willpower to try to put it into words

-D

[Fishy Logic]

I hate that there's scum in nahdia/skitter

incidentally
VOTE: bugspray @bugs can you hold this for me please

-D

[Fishy Logic]

dats you think you're good at reading bugspray?
from my limited experience with them i don't think they've done much ai

also i think that dats literally commenting on every single post on p1 cuz he was annoyed is p townie for him too

i played like 4 games w bugs and i read them right in 3/4 (screwed up only in the first game we played in) so i guess

-D

[Fishy Logic]

"here you go you

stupid

pokemon"

D:

-D

[Fishy Logic]

my page two solve was two of bugs/nahdia/votato and i have so far seen nothing that changed my mind

-D

[Fishy Logic]

that's the beauty of "page 1-4" solves, they're based on nothing but gut

-D

[Fishy Logic]

gutsolve machine go brrrrrrrrrr

-D

[Fishy Logic]

i don't think i do really? like i think your take Makes Sense for you (i.e. i don't think you're bsing a read) but i just kinda Don't Agree

we're still in early pages where i'm listening to my gut and i need something a bit stronger to shut it up and i'm not feeling that for now

have you circled back to 81 yet

-D

[Fishy Logic]

my page two solve was two of bugs/nahdia/votato and i have so far seen nothing that changed my mind

-D

i'm not sure votato/nahdia makes sense
also is this cuz you're townreading everyone else or

it doesn't have to make sense
and obviously not since hellbooks hasn't even posted yet

in games i sometimes try to have a "solve" as early as possible (like 4 pages or less) and i've had a couple of games where those "solves" were scarily accurate (of course there was a game or two where i fell flat on my ass but you know you win some you lose some)

like it's not about it making sense it's about it being a gutping that i'm currently interested in following

-D

[Fishy Logic]

im starting to feel like nahdia is bait and wooper is scum with bugspray (that scumread on bug is pure sheeping the D)

do you think scum is liekly to see a townie scumreading their partner and go "ah yes i sheep that"?

-D

[Fishy Logic]

{Wooper}
{votato, Olorin}
{hari}
{Fishy Logic, skitter50}

can you elaborate on the wooper and my slot's read (other than obviously the meme thing)?

-D

[Fishy Logic]

:Sniff sniff:

You guys smell that?

What is that?



Oh god i hope not, this has a much more pungent o dour. Almost... salty on your lips, but a smell you fear will never leave you once it has a grip.



Yeah, that makes a lot more sense.

I'm going to see what my sane head has been up to and see what kind of muppetry the rest of you have been getting into.

-Fishy

[Fishy Logic]

Lets try a free form approach to this, m'kay:

12- Are you officially calling...

Bullshit?

Cause if you are I'll just take the cards in the middle of the table thank you very much and I appreciate if you let it slide the nest time i try to throw down 5 Aces.

16 I have an idea of what you could be doing here. I'll let it play out to see where it goes. Why didn't you mention Bug voting for us as well though, why just pat Nahds backs?

Page 1 was meh. I hope that it gets a little better moving on.

[Fishy Logic]

25 Im curious why this vote from us got your ire up while you ignored the rest of the RANDOM voting during the RANDOM VOTING STAGE of the game. Its weird, almost like if you were able to read contextually you could form your own opinion on things and not have to have it spoon fed to you. Would also help if you didn't make naked votes in rvs which are to be assumed to be random as well since you didnt state a reason and then turn around and ask us to explain a vote much like yours. Just saying, whats good for the goose and all.

27 How dare you? HOW DARE YOU! Fair.

28 It wasn't really, I got the pm saying the thread was open for day 1, saw that vota posted without shit voting, so i went off to read the rules to make sure i didnt miss anything interesting since I don't usually venture out from newbie or large theme games and saw the bit about no one being a doctor, so I ran with it. It was actually pretty easy, i downladed a picture after searching on the Google for the image of a bullshit university degree and that was one of the first images, oddly the first 3 were for For Profit universities that actually exist..., anyways, then i opened it in ms paint because im a dinosaur and then just inserted a text box, saved it, uploaded it to imgur and then had to figure out how to get it on the forum again because im old. So it was more of a spur of the moment thing, but i had an idea behind it as well that i let Logic in on after i did it. Funny, i predicted the future.

in fact i almost think it comes from town more than scum
(not that i think it's inherently townie but the examples i remember offhand seem to have been done by townies)

Its almost like scum me would have voted Vota for not putting out an rvs vote, and then made noise about how avoiding rvs is scummy and only scummy scummers avoid rvs. Weird, i should take notes for next time so i can play better as scum, I am fucking this one up from the get go.

VOTE: nahdia more or less serious vote

Why? I don't disagree, but I want to see if im seeing what youre seeing, or if youre blinded by the glint of your horn.

eh, ive had the opposite experience. at least that's my memory of it anyway.

Can you link to where this popped up in a game to make you feel this way?

restated, my point is that scum tend to overthink and overprepare, whereas town act more "off-the-cuff".

While that may be true, scum normally arent the trendsetters in the game because they need to wait and see what the majority of town does before they can id their targets for a mislynch. Like me not questioning Votas lack of an RVS vote, and the lack of a mention on the claim that really doesnt need to be mentioned are both things that scum would have jumped on to muddy the waters and just fling shit to see what stuck. I took the approach I normally do in games and I'm surprised that more people aren't aware of it and still let me get away with it.

Wooper was a hello vote, and maybe a nod that he got me.
Bug was an rvs vote that was funny.
Nahd was a scummer voting for town being run up on page 1.

is it too early to start townreading skitter

-D

Nah, shes a good egg to have around as town, i dont know if ive seen her as scum before.

except another scumtell is not being able to pick up on or appreciate humor, especially rvs humor.

This donkey speaks the truth. You can find it unfunny, but that doesnt make it scummy.

do you seriously have so few other thoughts that this feels important rn?

Are you the thought police? In what world do we have to defend what we choose to give our attention to, and especially to you, who has done less then most have in the game at this point?

You hubris is showing and its ugly.

49 Is this serious or sarcastic?

Alright, page 2, seeing some fire from people, but aimed at people for the oddest reasons. Will have to take note of a few things to look for clarification in future currently unread posts.

[Fishy Logic]

yes, while i was waiting for either of you/nahdia to come back and try to give meaning to your votes i decided to pressure the person on this playerlist i have historically had the most accuracy reading thank you for asking

-D

Wait, are you saying that you were monopolizing your game time to interact with a high number of players so that you can more accurately discern their alignment in a clear effort to help progress the game and work towards a town shared wincon? Who the fuck taught you how to play? We are supposed to randomly pick someone for a random stupid reason and then stupidly tunnel on them until we force them to out some shit and then we lose the game. Fucking newbies.

i think the alignment indicative stuff is the fact that skitter got a scumread on me out of it.

How do you normally come to your scum reads? The fact that skitt came out of your tet-a-tet with a bad taste towards you makes perfect sense to us. You latched on to a weak as hell low hanging fruit reason to vote us after a few people had naked voted us, so you as scum felt comfortable sliding into that 3rd voting slot and put us at l-2. Now scum probably wouldnt be dumb enough (if you arent scum that is and they werent voting us at the time) to vote and hammer on our mislynch like that, but they could definitely start pushing on us and then shit spirals and you lose out on our sunny disposition for the rest of the game, or until scum decides to kill us at night cause we arent getting lynched.

if you know bugspray I think you probably know they're unlikely to be blown away from shiptoasting by one (1) pressure vote lol

I dislike your tone towards us. Youre acting like we said that our vote on Bug was going to fucking break him faster than shoving bamboo reeds under his nails, when all Logic said was that he wanted to put pressure there. How else does one put pressure on a slot other than voting it and then trying to engage with it which is clearly what Dat did. Also, how else to wagons start other than 1 vote being made and someone giving a reason why that other people agree with and can get behind?

Its like you and Nahd are having basic misunderstandings of how normal things work and it troubles me. You two wanna talk? Who hurt you?

i see a disconnect between

"nahdia's tell is bad/ineffective" to "nahdia is scummy".

Meh, kinda depends on what your role pm says now doesnt it? Cause if youre town, then youre just bad, if youre scum then you are doing what you need to do to get a mislynch. So i guess, maybe do some soul searching, maybe check your role pm again and if you have green anywhere in there maybe take a step back and let things develop at a more natural pace instead of trying to force evolution by putting your hampster in the microwave.

I also don't think 50 is towny, it feels like backpedalling

lmao

Yes, that perfectly normal response was hilarious.

68 lol for real.

y early town on skitter

dumb question, read contextually.

i associate 'posting meme rvs posts' with 'how much someone likes to post meme rvs posts' over alignment

objectively same btw I think that you/nahdia convo hits a very boring impasse very quickly w/o revealing ai stuff

- why did you originally say you liked nahdia's post?
- it is possible that we have differing views on how scum approach rvs because of different site meta/culture experiences. i wasn't aware that scum had that experience / expectation at taht point in scum history, from my current perspective i think that posts like that are p much nai and that's why i thought it strange to call that scummy
- i disagree with your dats take and how you're framing it

Good post, town post. Shows that while Woop and Nahd are doing a lot of talking, neither of them are saying much, and none of what theyve said has been backed up, and if anyone is backtracking its Nahd with that weak "i think i kinda remember one time maybe seeing something in a game somewhere that a scum may or may not have posted a meme in rvs or during the game" excuse to continue to sr my first post in spite of multiple people telling her it A. Points to town, or B. points to nothing.

hardclaim neutral talk show host, I win by asking a whole lotta intrusive questions but avoidimg talking about myself please don't question this very legrimtiate serious claim

Holy shit page 3 was a roller coaster, one of those shitty ones at local fairs though.

Lot of bad takes. And i feel like a few missing voices, has everyone checked in yet?

[Fishy Logic]

VOTE: skitter30

Hey look another naked vote! I'm going to call this "The Great OMGUS Vote Of Micro 951, page 4" has a ring to it doesnt it?

i'll circle back to this i promies

Does this come to fruition? Cause i kinda feel you are playing me the same way you did in TreeStump, and I hated that game because of that. You were impossible to work with because you couldnt get out of your own head and away from your paranoia long enough to leave me the fuck alone so i could figure stuff out in the rest of the game.

gladiate: skitter30

Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real. Please be real.

I hate that there's scum in nahdia/skitter

Kk, Nahd is totes scum out of those two.

VOTE: bugspray

Wait... what?

VOTE:

bugspray

I hate that there's scum in nahdia/skitter

So, Wooper, do you know at this point that the gladiate isnt real? Because if it is, your random vote onto Bug spray, you know the guy you were mad at us for pressuring saying one vote wouldnt do anything to him, do you think joining that wagon will now crack him?

[Fishy Logic]

the fact that your mind jumps to "fake" rather than "wrong" doesn't make sense from a town perspective to me.

If town sees someone take a post and read it in an entirely different way, their first thought isnt "huh, this other fellow townie has become confused, i shouldnt worry about their motivations and just trust that it was an honest mistake that they happily fixed upon finding out the error of their ways" they think, "huh, this is weird, ill push here a little and see what happens. Oh, they doubled down and are now scum reading me for even questioning their motivations and intentions instead of realizing their weak reasoning was weak reasoning and admitting to it. That seems like something scum would do."

VOTE: nahdia

wut

I couldnt have said it better, so imma let you do it again.

wut

wooper i follow very little of what you've been posting this game

what do you think of my wooper nahdia solve?

Maybe 1/2 right, I have an idea about Wooper.

my page two solve was two of bugs/nahdia/votato and i have so far seen nothing that changed my mind

-D

I can see the nahd indie scum read, and if nahd flips scum I could see a link back to Bug because of the soft defense of our vote on Bug.

Vota I will say i like for town right now, unless he is scum with Skitter, and I dont see her being scum just yet, so Vota os cool with me for now.

[Fishy Logic]

Hari, i feel like I havent heard much from, but 130 asks some hard hitting insightful questions that are posed in a way to gain information to better form their reads. The questions are well thought out and expose the deep seeded conspiracy built solely to get us mislynched and to deny the game our presence.

Fight The Power!

i dont see scum making that claim so early. its potentially verifiable and will lead to wayyyy too much scrutiny in subsequent days. unless scum has watering abilities and can prevent the IC trigger.

Yee, if someone makes a claim that they can be confirmed, you work under the assumption that they are telling the truth, because its instant death if we find out they lied. Also, if you read between some lines you can see people talking to each other without it being obvious. I also have a theory on the whole thing, but havent fleshed it out with my other head yet and I dont want to talk much about it in case i inadvertently give scum info they didnt have before.

[Fishy Logic]

and @hari claiming something that can make you ic feels like a thing scum probably doesn't do imo?

but why not? like if olorin says 'give me enough water and i will become an ic' and there isn't a water mechanic, what is the risk?

Because eventually we will have more information than we have now and when no flips ever say anything about water and the babyIC is still alive and kicking, we can revisit that claim, but until then fighting someone on an IC claim is beating up town for no gain.

i didnt like the way you buddied up to skitter in 39

is it too early to start townreading skitter

-D

Buddying?

But wait... this is from your biggest town read, the guy who just seems so easy breezy

hi guyssss I'm here to bring the moisture

VOTE: skitter30
statistically the more excited I am to play w u the more likely it is that one of us is scum so
you're outed
sorry


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Buddying the shit out of Skitter, and not a comment to be seen from you. Guess this is another one of those times where your blinders are restricting your view down that death tunnel youre in.

Are you scum, or bad town who allowed their agency to be captured that quickly and easily?

little johnny is gleefully dancing around in the dunes

Vote count 1.1

Nahdia (3):

votato, skitter30, Wooper

Fishy Logic (1):

bugspray

hellbooks (1):

hari

bugspray (1):

Fishy Logic

skitter30 (1):

Nahdia

not voting (2):

hellbooks, Olórin

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends june 29th at 23:59 central US time; in (expired on 2020-06-29 23:59:00)

mod notes

• skitter30 is vla on umm.......... friday?? oh and saturday as well.

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Guess that Gladiate was fake, Wooper knew before hand im calling it now!

to unvote fishy while I processed my feelings

So you moved it onto the person you harped on us for voting after moving it off you? Is Bug just a way station for our votes when they arent on each other?

taking a stance gets things moving :/

Yeah, but if its a bad one you eventually need to come off it and figure out what running that type of move gets you for information.

If you make a bad read, and then just dig your heels in and defend your position no matter what, you die.

Feels like a weird buddying attempt

This feels like a forced comment made to solidify Nahd comment which was basically a carbon copy of this one. Also, completely ignores Wooper falling over himself to say hello to the SAME FUCKING PERSON we keep getting accused of buddying.

Is Wooper buddying Nahd, and vice versa, Is Vota buddying Skitter too?

Fuck all this noise about buddying.

195 oh hey its me!

[Fishy Logic]

Oh by the way, scum is probably Hell and Nahd, youre welcome.

Jesus, you can take us home now

[Fishy Logic]

hi guyssss I'm here to bring the moisture

VOTE: skitter30
statistically the more excited I am to play w u the more likely it is that one of us is scum so
you're outed
sorry


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VOTE: fishy logic

VOTE: wooooper

-D

hi guyssss I'm here to bring the moisture

VOTE: skitter30
statistically the more excited I am to play w u the more likely it is that one of us is scum so
you're outed
sorry


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Hi hi hi! I am excited to play with you !

VOTE: wooper

VOTE: fishy logic sorry i dont buy that diploma i think its a forgerty

statistically the more excited I am to play w u the more likely it is that one of us is scum so

adapting this logic for myself in order to VOTE: hellbooks.

@Olórin are you hectic

this seems like a fair assumption since hectic was part of the magus hydra from mystery box of silver sevings and olorin's opening here appears to be a direct reference to hectic's opening from mystery box of silver hate:

viewtopic.php?p=11736760#p11736760

[v[fishy logic[/v]

bad opener

uh guys
Fishy Logic are scum
like actually scum

why?

i was literally just curious if it was an RVS vote or if you had a reason for it.

Odd that somehow you were able to misunderstand a question that I thought was fairly clear.

The above posts are all votes made on page 1 that you didnt question, mention or acknowledge existed.

We vote for Bug and you want to know why. What was special about our Bug vote that made you care more than any other random vote made?

[Fishy Logic]

to answer your other question: my own recent scumgame comes to mind (the quote is an obscure pro league of legends meme): viewtopic.php?p=11823595#p11823595

Ok, and my other question was when you saw scum make a post like you claim mine was scummy.

What up playas

VOTE: ManateeDude

hi im town this game if you vote for me that's negative gaming, not a normal mafiascum experience.

VOTE: farside22

Heya, it has been ages since I have played, have not looked at the the votes yet so give me a moment before making a crap RVS vote that is not an accidental hammer. Good work getting to page 8.

And there are the first posts from the 3 scummers. How are any of the indicative of the post I made? Or did you misunderstand that question as well, and just link to you last scum game?

[Fishy Logic]

VOTE: Nahdia

THATS L-1 FOLKS.

I REPEAT, SCUM IS AT L-1.

Carry on.

[Fishy Logic]

Nahd whatd you do yell in the scum pt for Hell to come in and help you cause you were getting buried with your own words?

Point in case, you latch on to "something that town never says" but thats one small piece of one post i made where i outlined how youre a fraud.

Continue with the omgus voting pattern though, its lovely on you.

-Fishy

[Fishy Logic]

If I'm lynched today, fine. But you sure as shit power lynch Fishy Logic tomorrow.

ok, hammer yourself.

[Fishy Logic]

Oh by the way, scum is probably Hell and Nahd, youre welcome.

what happened to your shade campaign against wooper

How many times did i say I have an idea of what he is doing, and that I was giving him room to work?

I know it was a few, but i guess if you had such a hard time reading my posts then you would have missed that.

I suggest you read, works wonders helping you understand the game, but you should know that as an alt, cause youre not new right?

[Fishy Logic]

you're like, really unpleasant, huh?

Im me, sorry if you dont like me. Doesnt change the fact that youll flip red.

[Fishy Logic]

Town doesn't look for people who are bad, they look for scum. You know who is looking for "bad" town? Scum, seeking out mislynches they can push.

Right, and if someone is defending someone i know to be town, and the person accusing is spouting the most ankle deep thought process on their vote then I am going to assume one of those people is town and one of them is scum.

You are the one with the weird tell youre focusing on despite Vota and Skitter saying what youre saying is dumb.

Yet, youre still on about it, so imma smack you down like a fly because youre bugging me.

Come back correct or just move along.

[Fishy Logic]

Nor does it change the fact that you're blatantly scum who has latched on to pushing a mislynch on what they feel is a "bad" townie.

Cool story, keep pushing this and see how that turns out for you. I have a sinking feeling for you its not going to be a way youll like.

[Fishy Logic]

idk how i got through all these games w/o reading... my third eye hast been opened

Probably just sheeping good players in the game.

Works for most people.

[Fishy Logic]

I'm not still on it. It was a reason to vote on page one, and I got questioned on it so I explained myself.

Oh my bad, I was under the impression you made a bad read on us and thought we were scum. Just a miscommunication, if you moved past that bad initial read and were able to read us correctly then there's no issue.

[Fishy Logic]

Most people put the scum at the bottom, so thats where my confusion came in. Silly.

[Fishy Logic]

yes, while i was waiting for either of you/nahdia to come back and try to give meaning to your votes i decided to pressure the person on this playerlist i have historically had the most accuracy reading thank you for asking

-D

Wait, are you saying that you were monopolizing your game time to interact with a high number of players so that you can more accurately discern their alignment in a clear effort to help progress the game and work towards a town shared wincon? Who the fuck taught you how to play? We are supposed to randomly pick someone for a random stupid reason and then stupidly tunnel on them until we force them to out some shit and then we lose the game. Fucking newbies.

oops shit my bad

How do you normally come to your scum reads? The fact that skitt came out of your tet-a-tet with a bad taste towards you makes perfect sense to us. You latched on to a weak as hell low hanging fruit reason to vote us after a few people had naked voted us, so you as scum felt comfortable sliding into that 3rd voting slot and put us at l-2.

these posts were just like kind of unpleasant to read all around + the solve seems to be omgus based. doesn't really change my townread i think

is this a townread towards us? if so, can you elaborate?

-D

[Fishy Logic]

having reread the last few pages i see i've forgotten about you commenting on my page 1 comment shitpost thing so make the above question "is there anything else besides that?"

-D

[Fishy Logic]

are you serious

-D

[Fishy Logic]

that is a scumclaim. bugs dies tomorrow. they literally just did a hammer like that in blitz2.

-D

[Fishy Logic]

err, 3. you know what i mean.

-D

[Fishy Logic]

VOTE: bugs

fucking bullshit.

is votato the partner? i'm still saying he is. goodnight.

-D

[Fishy Logic]

VOTE: Nahdia

THATS L-1 FOLKS.

I REPEAT, SCUM IS AT L-1.

Carry on.

nobody believe their lies. they know exactly what they did.

-D

[Fishy Logic]

Now to stop shitposting: i'd vote votato or VOTE: bugspray

this ^^ is literally the only vote she's made in the entire game? and in 175 she's shown as not voting??

-D

[Fishy Logic]

like the nahdia wagon is votato+wooper+skitter+fishy+you tf

quit playing dumb

-D

[Fishy Logic]

Fishy head read Nahd as scum, Logic head had it as null, and had Bug as his highest scum read. So yeah, when his biggest scum read pulled the same shit move that theyd done as scum in another recent game, Logic head was angry.

Logic had even asked if he should take Nahd off l-1 and I convinced him to let it ride and see what happened. Neither of us expected this muppetry.

[Fishy Logic]

Interesting scumslip here.

Did Logic hit close to home donkey?

You had us as town up until that very moment, now youre saying Logic head scum slipped.

Thats all it takes? You sway easier than a flag in brisk wind.

-Fishy

[Fishy Logic]

[Fishy Logic]

do y'all like our new avatar

i stole some art and edited it over the night phase

-D

[Fishy Logic]

I'm commuter with a knife and i apparently used incorrect phrasing when trying to give it to fishy logic so that's why you didn't get to stab anyone

[Fishy Logic]

No I give it to someone and then they can stab someone at night
I was trying to show trust but failed to give away the knife

[Fishy Logic]

It's a one shot knife thing. I'm supposed to phrase it that I do it at the end of the day because that's when it happens and schasd is being a shithead. So it happens before night and then they can stab someone.
To show that I'm town because that level of apparent trust is very big even if I can just commute

[Fishy Logic]

Did we mention that we are calling bullshit? Dat asked me how much bullshit we were going to call. I replied "All of the bullshit."

One of bugs or us dies today.

Duel: Bugspray

[Fishy Logic]

Also, looks like Scum!Vota knew that Bugs wasnt making it out of the day alive already and is bussing, so we appreciate that!

[Fishy Logic]

Did we mention that we are calling bullshit? Dat asked me how much bullshit we were going to call. I replied "All of the bullshit."

One of bugs or us dies today.

Duel: Bugspray

Man i hope i formated that correctly, i mean if the mod is being such a stickler that they wouldnt have outlined in your role pm exactly how your role would be used and how to use it, then I might have messed that up and ruined this whole game.

[Fishy Logic]

[Fishy Logic]

1- What is the correct phrasing?

You never answered this question either. Since you wont live out the day and the knife giving is a lie anyways you shouldnt have an issue talking about how you screwed this up.

[Fishy Logic]

I'm supposed to phrase it that I do it at the end of the day because that's when it happens and schasd is being a shithead.

This is not the same thing as explaining exactly what wording you should have used to correctly use your role.

I do not believe that you missed that from your role pm that the mod would have written out in plain english that you would have to phrase it that way.

And any time a player blames a mistake on a mod i kill them.

Sorry, thats just bad juju. You are bringing the mod into something that they arent going to be able to speak to at all as a play to authority, but in reality you are just laying shit out of your mouth because you have no leg to stand on.

[Fishy Logic]

And even if the knife thing is real, you as town would not be giving is the knife because you would have had to known that we would use it on you. So as town, you wouldnt give a killing action to someone who wanted you, who knows you are town if you are, to die. Thats tantamount to killing town outright.

[Fishy Logic]

At least when we lynch you today you can try a 2nd time to do the one thing correctly that was important for you to do if you were town.

[Fishy Logic]

bugs, do you have reads you wanna share?

-D

[Fishy Logic]

pedit: DUDE i'm commuter, that's why I felt safe giving the knife to you
at this point im probably gonna just keep the knife to myself and i dont think giving anyone the knfie today helps town

Fair, but commuter is scummy in itself, and after fucking up a gift to town and the way you acted yesterday, its like a death sentence you aren't going to have the governor calling to stay.

And if you were town you would for sure give away the weapon you have that town can use to kill scum. There is no reason to hold on to the knife when you are dying.

-Fish

[Fishy Logic]

but town can kill town and then town loses?
im not sure i follow

You were fine with giving it to us when we were going to kill town before, we are going to have a better idea of who to target now that we have 2 flips, and will soon have yours. Also, we think you are lying, and you would be forced to prove that to us if you werent able to send us the knife you claim to be able to.

Hell, we wont even use it tonight, we will just hold on to it and draw the kill.

-Fishy

[Fishy Logic]

Off the cuff things i wanna say:
- dat's long post responding to every post on p1 felt townie, but his other posts i dont townread and i actively scumread formerfish, in particular his spat with nahdia
- @dats you have experience with bugspray, you said? What do you think of the hammer/knife thing?
- i still townread votato, and dislike fish's push on him
- i cant tell if bugspray is scum or trolling

- you mean with the same person you were scumreading? this tunnel doesn't have a light at the end, skitt.

- yeah, i do. the hammer is a scumclaim and the knife thing sounds like an asspull. 1-shot inventor that can gift a vig in a 9 and that has to use very specific wording in order to be used and they're also a commuter? no.

- what if i told you fish was townreading votato up until the nightphase and it was me who talked him into scum!votato? what are you townreading about votato? almost anything he's posted makes me scumread him.

- why not both?

-D

[Fishy Logic]

now that you say it like that, it reminded me that schadd_ sometimes has rules like these in his games:

nobody will be a psychologist, a ninja, or a traitor. (cops are possible)

it doesn't really do anything to change my mind, however. it being completely made up or only half made up is irrelevant to me. from my point of view, i really do not think they're town.

-D

[Fishy Logic]

Am I crazy for believing bugspray here?

Yes it's a shit claim, and one that bugs completely fucked up using, no mod is ever going to be that specific that what bugs said wouldn't have been counted.

And unlimited commuter in a 9p micro? Get the fuck out of here.

[Fishy Logic]

How many town prs does everyone think we have?

Nahd was one.

Grey beard over there claims to be an IC.

And Bugs is claiming unlimited commuter who can give a knife away if a very specific set of words is said in the exact order.

[Fishy Logic]

VOTE: Bugspray

-Fishy

[Fishy Logic]

A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.

People of Middle-earth. I have an announcement to make during the trying times of this drought.

I am a

dehydrated townie

. I will die at the end of night 1 unless someone hydrates me. I'm assuming there's a town role out there that has a way to hydrate or give water. I'm counting on you tonight.

I wasn't 100% sure whether I should claim this next part and deliberated for quite a while about it, but I think the advantage of town knowing about it outweighs the disadvantage of scum being aware of it.
If I ever become

overhydrated

, I will be revealed as an Innocent Child. Do it if it's feasible or if you think it's a good idea.

None of the claimed PRs seem to have any kind of water power. So is the claim a lie or a red herring?

[Fishy Logic]

i think there is 1 (one) strong compelling reason to believe it

Am I supposed to guess what you're thinking?

-F

[Fishy Logic]

Thank you for not saying what you think it is.

[Fishy Logic]

Hey town claimed commuter knife giver, where you at? I feel like you'd want to be more vocal since you're claiming to be town with a PR that will allow you to never be night killed.

Instead... Crickets.

[Fishy Logic]

but seriousyl did nobody target me and then get a weird result because i was commuting? i feel like at least SOMEONE would have mehcanical confirmation that im not lying

when i look up "rolefishing" on the mafiascum dot net wiki page, this quote shows up as an example

-D

[Fishy Logic]

Then schasd told me I didn't do it right and still have the knife so now I was h like fuck I'm gonna get

false positived

and flash nislynched which puts scum in a really good lylo better commute so that doesn't happen

so now the knife turns you into a miller too?

-D

[Fishy Logic]

a false positive

to *what* exactly

-D

[Fishy Logic]

could someone unvote bugspray momentarily please.

UNVOTE:

-D

[Fishy Logic]

How many town prs does everyone think we have?

Nahd was one.

Grey beard over there claims to be an IC.

And Bugs is claiming unlimited commuter who can give a knife away if a very specific set of words is said in the exact order.

This isn't role fishing.

This is consolidating the info we have and asking a question based off that info. I'm not asking anyone to say they are a PR, I'm just asking, for a friend, how many people think exist in a micro.

[Fishy Logic]

A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.

People of Middle-earth. I have an announcement to make during the trying times of this drought.

I am a

dehydrated townie

. I will die at the end of night 1 unless someone hydrates me. I'm assuming there's a town role out there that has a way to hydrate or give water. I'm counting on you tonight.

I wasn't 100% sure whether I should claim this next part and deliberated for quite a while about it, but I think the advantage of town knowing about it outweighs the disadvantage of scum being aware of it.
If I ever become

overhydrated

, I will be revealed as an Innocent Child. Do it if it's feasible or if you think it's a good idea.

None of the claimed PRs seem to have any kind of water power. So is the claim a lie or a red herring?

Also not role fishing.

We have a claimed role that includes a mechanic around watering. We have flipped PR that doesn't have a water power and we have a claimed PR that doesn't have a water power.

Do you think that there is a 4th PR that is going to miraculously be water giving?

[Fishy Logic]

Thank you for not saying what you think it is.

was this sarcastic?

No.

[Fishy Logic]

i thought we were waiting for the replacement to happen before doing anything impulsive

Playing the game and talking things out is impulsive?

[Fishy Logic]

friendly neighbourhood reminder that "a role that 1-shot give away a basically vig shot in a

Micro game

and that is also a commuter and

also

has to use the incredibly specific wording in order for it to work" is a complete lie and will be eating rope by the end of today

thank you for coming to my ted talk

-D

pedit: i love when a post from my own hydra pops out in a preview

[Fishy Logic]

i didn't say "right away".

-D

[Fishy Logic]

This isn't a normal so there doesn't even have to be a single vt if schadd doesn't want there to be one

Except we've seen there are vts in this game, and because of a thing called balance 2 scum v 7 town PRS doesn't seem like it's be a game schadd produced, you feel?

Like 2 claims are suspect right now. And wondering about how many town prs we might have is legit in scum hunting because someone's lying.

[Fishy Logic]

that I'd get investigated by some weird schadd role and then boom they get a result of "yeah it's scum" when really it's only because I have a knife

arent schadd roles famous for being pretty normal and not trolly?

Datisi informed me that schadd usually has outlandishly named roles that are actually fairly normal.

I'll get to that longer post from hari when I get to a computer.

[Fishy Logic]

that I'd get investigated by some weird schadd role and then boom they get a result of "yeah it's scum" when really it's only because I have a knife

arent schadd roles famous for being pretty normal and not trolly?

Datisi informed me that schadd usually has outlandishly named roles that are actually fairly normal.

I'll get to that longer post from hari when I get to a computer.

to add to this, i think i saw a post saying that in some thread in a previous mbos game, i tried to find it earlier but it's way past midnight and i'm lazy

i will try again after some sleep

-D

[Fishy Logic]

a pr is more likely to say a higher number in this situation, no? asking these sorts of questions just gives selective information.

I dont know how anyone is likely to respond. I'd hope that peoples ideas of how many town prs would be allowed to balance a 2 person scum team wouldnt vary that much from either alignment.

I mean, if Bugs is right and there is only 1 vt, then what the fuck are all those prs doing at night?

I seriously doubt that any mod would over load a micro unless it was advertized as role madness.

if i say 'yes' to this, do you not assume something about my potential role? really not following as to how these aren't role fishing.

I mean, if you have a role that is water based and you dont feel like outing it right now, you could always just not. I would have no way of knowing if you were keeping something a secret, so would have no reason to doubt your answer.

Realistically we are getting to the point where we are trying to wade through the claims. At some point we are going to have to talk about what is going on. And just because you say role fishing a lot doesnt make you right all the time.

why did you inquire as to whether you are supposed to guess if you thought votato should not guess?

Because vota wasnt the one who made the original statement, so I want to hear what the person who said it meant by it before vota is able to make a guess.

If vota says something else that the OP didnt think of, it taints things. You really want people who ask questions of others to have a little leeway and some space.

-Fishy

[Fishy Logic]

Toe pick

[Fishy Logic]

Alright, so we're gonna lynch Bugs. What else does anyone want to talk about? Like literally anyone.

[Fishy Logic]

Blah blah blah.

You are spending a lot of time trying to convince people you are town, but are doing very little to actually show you are.

If you are town, who is scum and why?

[Fishy Logic]

which is way more wack than me

Your role is broken and woulnd't be in any game.

[Fishy Logic]

Isn't it meta to admit to being a commuter out of the gate? That way town doesnt waste actions on you, and scum has to decide if you are going to use the ability or not to target you for a nk or not.

Being able to commute an unlimited amount of times means you should have outed as soon as possible and just use it every night.

Instead, as scum, it just gives you a reason to never die. The knife is fake and you were never going to give it to us to kill you, or for us to waste by trying to kill you.

[Fishy Logic]

The knife is real I will give it to you tonight to prove it and if I'm lying you can kill me today. Earlier I asked hectic to exactly the fuck was his claim earlier but then you keep tunneling me and not letting me even fucking breathe holy fuck this is giving me flashbacks to you and teacher in my first game onsite

uh... ok

[Fishy Logic]

i am fine with a massclaim.

If this is a true statement why are you even worried about if im role fishing or not?

You seem eager to have everything out in the open, while i was just talking about generalities at this point.

[Fishy Logic]

though i would like votato to explain what he thought hellbooks reason was first.

No, vota can say if thats what he thought it was or if he thought something different.

[Fishy Logic]

picture

Ok, then bug is just straight up lying.

[Fishy Logic]

like you are trying to learn things without everyone else learning them because you know to look for the information in the answers you gain because you are the one asking the questions.

Well, yeah.

It would make sense if you understood how i see the game, more like a puzzle than anything else. Once we have enough pieces in the right place, or have tried the wrong piece in enough places the game starts to look a little clearer, and one way to do that is with more information.

So, I guess I don't see what the issue is because i'm always going to have info that you dont, and im going to have a history that you dont, so...

[Fishy Logic]

Id rather the person who made the statement be the one to speak on it, that way they cant amend the statement without us knowing it was amended.

[Fishy Logic]

We can agree to disagree on this.

[Fishy Logic]

Again, we'll have to agree to disagree. I dont know how else to play other than using what info i have to get info i need to figure things out further. I can't be as open about it as id like because im trying to keep things a little more vague so that scum doesnt get more clues from what im saying than we absolutely need to give them, but dont forget, they are going to have a much better idea of what is going on already and there isn't much that we can give to them except who the prs are and with our dwindling numbers they are going to have a good idea on who they are off PoE alone.

So if we want to mass claim today, we are most likely down (id have to check with dat, but he headed to bed), im down because i hate being in the dark and feel like the light will set us free.

-Fishy

[Fishy Logic]

Hari, whats your read on our slot?

I had you as town during my read through, and have been saying so in our hydra pt.

If you are tring us, and im tring and shipping you town, can we stop this tet-a-tet?

[Fishy Logic]

whats the question asked of me? and am i supposed to answer it?

The question is what you think Hell was talking about.

And i'll let you decide if you want to say what you think they meant before they get a chance to say what they meant.

[Fishy Logic]

olorin is confirmed scum if their claim was fabricated and that makes so little sense to me that it feels like it would have to come from mafia

Why would town lie about their role like that? I can think of only 1 reason, and if you are a speaker of truth then I have my answer about that and its a null point now. Only way Olo flips scum now is if you flip it with them and I dont think thats going to happen.

[Fishy Logic]

then how exactly would we use it to kill them?

we have to go

[Fishy Logic]

The knife is real I will give it to you tonight to prove it and if I'm lying you can kill me today. Earlier I asked hectic to exactly the fuck was his claim earlier but then you keep tunneling me and not letting me even fucking breathe holy fuck this is giving me flashbacks to you and teacher in my first game onsite

I meant kill me tomorrow sorry it was autocorrected

Your AtE has kinda painted me into a corner, because if i press you you'll just fall back to the "oh no, big bad bully wont let me speak" shtick, but given time you dont seem to say anything other than correcting the smallest error in one of your posts that made it nonsensicle.

How long do you need before I can start in on you being scum again? Cause crying that you arent getting a moment to think isnt a very towny thing to say.

[Fishy Logic]

Im literally just trying to say thst dehydrated is bullshit

You needed over 2 hours to spit that out?

How do you feel about Hari basically saying "naw" from the past to what current you is saying?

[Fishy Logic]

Im literally just trying to say thst dehydrated is bullshit

Also rich from the unlimited commuting 1-shot knife giving townie.

[Fishy Logic]

What

Are you fully caught up reading the thread and have a full understanding of what is going on?

[Fishy Logic]

Ok, so youre just going to be obtuse and not help town at all.

Noted.

Night night buggy.

-Fishy

[Fishy Logic]

Yawn

[Fishy Logic]

Can we kill people yet?

[Fishy Logic]

fish chill we need to wait for a new skitter or something

-D

[Fishy Logic]

I get that we are waiting, but that doesn't mean everyone needs to sit silently at their desk staring straight at the chalkboard waiting for the teacher to announce the new student.

We have players in the game who are active right now and not speaking.

Is everyone waiting on the replacement?

Fish

[Fishy Logic]

[Fishy Logic]

How about I actually read the game and get back to you guys later

Please do, also Happy Escape Day.

[Fishy Logic]

Why did we lynch a tracker on day 1?

Bugspray lolhammered and then tried to play it off. Totes scum move.

[Fishy Logic]

Alright, so we're gonna lynch Bugs. What else does anyone want to talk about? Like literally anyone.

Yawn

Can we kill people yet?

fish chill we need to wait for a new skitter or something

-D

weve been waiting on you apparently.

[Fishy Logic]

Well, that depends. Are you going to be the White Knight that this town has been waiting for, or are you going to be a dirty scum butt?

-Fishy

[Fishy Logic]

Bug- Vota, Hell

Olo- Bug

Thats all the votes out there I know of. We had ours on Bugs but pulled off when they were put to l-1 and we were still without a replacement. Hate for Bugs to quickhammer themselves when they realized they were boned six ways from sunday no matter what happened in thread.

[Fishy Logic]

None of this makes any sense

you dont know the half of it...

[Fishy Logic]

It gets worse. Keep going.

[Fishy Logic]

Hey Bugs, when you hammer yourself, cause youre scum and all, make sure not to fuck up the knife giving this time around. We'd love to be able to do something more concrete this game then just do all the high level thinking to solve the game.

[Fishy Logic]

hold on, i need to answer something after being a lazy lurking fuck yesterday and letting fishy carry.

do you agree with olorin's logic regarding the probability of skitter's slot being partnered with bugspray?

this is an open question to datisi and everyone else as well excepting bugspray and olorin.

referring to 430? no. maybe it's my personal bias of "try to view every single rep out as NAI because game integrity yadda yadda" but i dislike making leaps of logic for things we have no way of knowing if they even are AI in the first place

with regard to "scum or trolling" bit... ehhh. maybe if i squint i can see the logic behind it, but i just kinda Don't Buy It? in my opinion skitter probably wouldn't have told bugs to hammer, and if bugs did on their own accord, i think skitt would be more likely to legit bus, or at least not that half-assedly defend her partner.

okay, i'm cool with a hammer now if you want.

-D

[Fishy Logic]

VOTE: BUGS

Night night

[Fishy Logic]

Bueller...

[Fishy Logic]

B1 to C3 please

[Fishy Logic]

Nope, b10 to c8

[Fishy Logic]

well, this sure is a



-D

[Fishy Logic]

No, I don't know how to read a chess board for locations.

[Fishy Logic]

VOTE: olorin
ok take it away my dude

Pro tip, wait more than 6 minutes into the last day before voting, and also wait for everyone to show up.

Bad play...