New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am going to ignore a lot of this thread and suggest

Execute

as a functional replacement.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And any argument that we should somehow keep using a word that will harmful just because we have used it for so long is the same as saying it is okay to glorify a racist with a statue or name a military base after a confederate general.

Just because it is history doesn't mean we should glorify it with public use.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ayyy what up LLD.

Oh my god Ythan. It's been a fucking hot minute my dude, how have you been?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No one lynches people currently now adays.
LMAO.
This ain’t fuckin 1900’s or 1800’s.
This is 2000’s.

you're a douche.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... g-suicide/

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/ ... -one-them/

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"lmao" murdering minorities is funny right? go fuck yourself.

Tranquilo, Kuribo, Tranquilo.

You have every right to be mad and being mad is what we need a lot of the time now a days but

this dude is not arguing in good faith. Save your anger for another place, and let him fade into obscurity.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ayyy what up LLD.

Oh my god Ythan. It's been a fucking hot minute my dude, how have you been?

I've been good, I hope you have as well.

I have! I got my green card finally so I am an American resident now, will be a few more years before I get my dual citizenship. Married GreyICE, living in seattle and working as a therapist for autistic clients.

I'm really happy with a lot of where my life is now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And any argument that we should somehow keep using a word that will harmful just because we have used it for so long is the same as saying it is okay to glorify a racist with a statue or name a military base after a confederate general.

Just because it is history doesn't mean we should glorify it with public use.

No one wants to glorify a word, we just want to keep using it as it is the most practical.

This is laughable?

Explain why EXECUTE is not a practical solution that does not have a racial history. It fits the theme, it functions very clearly as <we are killing this person> and executions tend to be done in public, and in the past by public consent.

So explain why Execute is SIGNIFICANTLY worse than Lynch, without using an argument that implies it is easier to use lynch because we have always used it.

Go on.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cause creature, the issue is this

It is impossible to tell online the difference between someone who genuinely believes somehow that keeping on using a racially charged word that hurts people is MOST PRACTICAL

and an asshole racist who says those words to fit into common society.

And given I have provided an alternative... as have many others... I think we are reasonably safe in assuming the second, because it is safer for our communities to not harbour racist assholes.

You understand that?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And any argument that we should somehow keep using a word that will harmful just because we have used it for so long is the same as saying it is okay to glorify a racist with a statue or name a military base after a confederate general.

Just because it is history doesn't mean we should glorify it with public use.

No one wants to glorify a word, we just want to keep using it as it is the most practical.

This is some real "but my southern heritage" bullshit

Shhh, you're making it harder to make the racists go full mask off so we can site boot them.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Explain why EXECUTE is not a practical solution that does not have a racial history. It fits the theme, it functions very clearly as and executions tend to be done in public, and in the past by public consent.

Execution seems to be done by an authority instead of simple citizens desperate to take justice into their own hands.

Most games it should be doable

, but it'll still be confusing if the mod decides to add a role that involves executing.

That's your argument.

That it will be confusing if a Mod.... in DESIGNING THEIR GAME... adds a role that kills a player... and wants to use the flavour execute....

Then in that game, the mod could build the flavour around this, right?

Since when has a single case scenario ever been sufficient to be a good argument?

You yourself said it, see bolded. Most games it should be functionally completely the same, and in the small case where someone wants to use Execution flavour for a role, they could find other words for either the town vote kill OR the execution ability. Case by case for a small thing like that, and in return for something that you have yoruself ADMITTED WORKS.

We get to remove something that represents systemic racist bias in our community once and for all.

Why are you still opposed again?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can't grasp why they wouldn't feel welcome just because of a word that isn't even used for racial reasons.

Then you obviously don't understand the Black experience as well as you think you do. I suggest you expand your circle of friends.

I could, but I'd still likely not find anyone with a problem over this word unless I searched inner specific circles.

Eyyy we got there. Mask off racism.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm also happy for the people of color who might have otherwise been put off my the candor with which we use traditionally racialized violence as part of a game

This attitude is actually racist. I know many black people who play mafia and are, in fact, smart enough to disassociate the word "lynch" from fear of actually being lynched. I think they can speak for themselves, for and against this change, without being imagined as fragile people who need words put into their mouths.

This is also mask off racism.

"YOU'RE THE ACTUAL RACIST FOR CONSIDERING BLACK PEOPLE TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND WE DON'T MEAN LYNCH IN A BAD WAY. I KNOW LOTS OF BLACK PEOPLE".

Like holy shit, you could go dye your hair blonde and work for Fox News with a take this bad.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

For anyone bothered by the word lynch or using it in public due to its connotations, which I think this thread has established is a perfectly big number of people

For the record, I still don’t care about what word I use.
But perhaps, maybe those people “suddenly” became bothered by it ONLY because they were introduced to evidence that suggested its bad, and they were given a platform to express that and eliminate anyone who disagrees because if they disagree then they must be racist.

haha i'm not racist i am just a nihilist

... unless?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

While we're at it
I have the following suggestions
The word "wagon" should no longer be used, when black people were slaves in the US, they'd use wagons to carry stuff. Ergo it instils racist history into our game and may upset people.
The word "bus" should no longer be used, Rosa Park sat on the bus. Ergo using it instils racist history into our game and may upset people.
The Tracker role, should be removed. It may upset victims of stalking.
Execution / similar is also not acceptable, during the Holocaust, and still in many places in the world today, people were executed by firing squad, this may upset people.
Voting should also be removed, in America democracy doesn't always work ie Trump 2016 or Bush 2004. This will make people young innocent people to believe democracy exists, thus upsetting people.
Mafia the name, should also be removed, there have been many victims to the Mafia, especially in places like Italy. Don't be xenophobic and upset Italians who may have suffered!
FoS should also be removed! Pointing at people may trigger anxiety!!
Throughout many years many were killed by Ninja. Do you want to upset the Japanese or the fortnite players?!?!
Strongman should be changed to strongperson or strongthing! You don't want to upset people! Not only men can be strong!
Similar to tracker, watcher should be removed! For victims of stalking and voyeur stuff!
Beloved Princess isn't gender neutral!
Bomb should be removed as a role for the vets out there and the refugees!
Godfather, of course changed to godparent.
Hooker!!!! How dare you portray women as sexual objects with that word!!
Judas??? We aren't all from christian majority countries. This is not okay!!
Paranoid as a role modifier? Are we making fun of people with anxiety?
Virgin sexualises people!!

This ^ is all nonsense. Grow up. I'm not going to stop using Lynch. Either we ban everything incase we upset people, or we ban nothing. If we only ban stuff which upsets the black community, you're saying every other community hasn't suffered or they're suffering is invalid. It's disgusting, your attempt to be woke has shown just how much you hate races which aren't black.
This topic and new rule is baloney.

My friend's cousin's mum's dog's walker's mum's friend unfortunately committed suicide by noose. It's not much to go off but seeing it reminds me that people suffer, and that I should be doing what I can to help people. Removing it will negatively impact my gameplay.

^ obviously bullshit.
I encourage a lot of you to go join the "Im 14 and this is deep" reddit page. You'll feel at home.

Lol who the fuck are you.

I never realized how much I needed you in my life again Ythan.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, is it okay to gun down people in the streets if you think racist?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Despite me not caring about the “lynch” term.
I thought I’d share this in case other stuff is brought up.
Now Yes certain events in history were bad and very disgusting.
But it has nothing to do with a term as a whole.
Just because a term can refer to something that may appear to be racist doesn’t mean it is.

Ever heard the saying “Life is what you make it”.
That applies here.
Yes the word is known for being bad in the past but that just means someone can take initiative and change the word from being bad and degrading to something good and pure. (Or at least not as bad as people make it look like it is)
People can change so why can’t terms or things change?
Spoiler Alert - Anything and Anyone can Change.

You know, what is hilarious is that "I'm 14 and I'm deep" post that was racist earlier has suddenly come full circle and is being hilariously applied to the other side of the argument.

I know school is out for the summer, but do you have to post like this?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Despite me not caring about the “lynch” term.
I thought I’d share this in case other stuff is brought up.
Now Yes certain events in history were bad and very disgusting.
But it has nothing to do with a term as a whole.
Just because a term can refer to something that may appear to be racist doesn’t mean it is.

Ever heard the saying “Life is what you make it”.
That applies here.
Yes the word is known for being bad in the past but that just means someone can take initiative and change the word from being bad and degrading to something good and pure. (Or at least not as bad as people make it look like it is)
People can change so why can’t terms or things change?
Spoiler Alert - Anything and Anyone can Change.

You know, what is hilarious is that "I'm 14 and I'm deep" post that was racist earlier has suddenly come full circle and is being hilariously applied to the other side of the argument.

I know school is out for the summer, but do you have to post like this?

Lol I’m 20.

Although Age is just you body/shell’s number.
Nothing to do with your soul.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Okay, okay. This is too much.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, is it okay to gun down people in the streets if you think racist?

Yeah, the racists are the ones getting gunned down in the streets right now...

Yeah, I need to get out of this country if I care about my human rights. This is about to become a facist shithole soon.

By all means get the fuck out signed everyone.

wow, rude?

surprisedpikachu.bmp

Ythan, I like to call that meme...

PikaShock.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Despite me not caring about the “lynch” term.
I thought I’d share this in case other stuff is brought up.
Now Yes certain events in history were bad and very disgusting.
But it has nothing to do with a term as a whole.
Just because a term can refer to something that may appear to be racist doesn’t mean it is.

Ever heard the saying “Life is what you make it”.
That applies here.
Yes the word is known for being bad in the past but that just means someone can take initiative and change the word from being bad and degrading to something good and pure. (Or at least not as bad as people make it look like it is)
People can change so why can’t terms or things change?
Spoiler Alert - Anything and Anyone can Change.

You know, what is hilarious is that "I'm 14 and I'm deep" post that was racist earlier has suddenly come full circle and is being hilariously applied to the other side of the argument.

I know school is out for the summer, but do you have to post like this?

Lol I’m 20.

Although Age is just you body/shell’s number.
Nothing to do with your soul.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Okay, okay. This is too much.

but in a way
proved the point

You've got me there.

I have nothing else to say to that. I'm literally gobsmacked from laughter.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nevermind that I also linked an article discussing trans people being lynched too

True, but I really think that if I stood here and said <I am against the word lynch because my people in the trans community are dying> it would diminish the point and be disingenuous.

Especially since the majority of those deaths are BLACK Trans women.

So... valid, but not the main point here tbh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Age is indicative of experience, and while that’s not a definite measure, I definitely feel a giant change of how I saw the world from ages 20-25.

Life experience, seeing different parts of the world, meeting different people, all effects your perspective

Exactly.
But In the right hands if everyone knew the truth and had full Understandment towards each other no issues occurred.

If the world was ruled by 1 Pure Deity Individual such as myself.

Countries - Gone
Racism - Gone
Politics - Gone
Religion - Gone
War - Gone

It’d be so peaceful.

Actually I made a thing on my notepads about a month ago. Here you go.

War (-) Peace
Religion (-) Understandment and Truth
Politics (-) Council
Countries (-) Earth
Racism (-) Equality

(Fuck I’m just gonna stop reading please help me someone!)

Holy shit.

He just advocated for a benevolent monarchy.

No, not even.

HE JUST ADVOCATED FOR UBERMENCH.

I'm dying.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, is it okay to gun down people in the streets if you think racist?

Yeah, the racists are the ones getting gunned down in the streets right now...

Yeah, I need to get out of this country if I care about my human rights. This is about to become a facist shithole soon.

Alisae I can promise you that you and me and any other white people will not be at the front of the line for having our rights taken away under any impending fascism in the United States.

I wish the people on power would actually work on giving the people basic human rights like health care but unfortunately thats not how ruling works

Wow the mask is fully off rn, isn't it.

Tell me honestly, how much time DO you spend on chan boards?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, is it okay to gun down people in the streets if you think racist?

Yeah, the racists are the ones getting gunned down in the streets right now...

Yeah, I need to get out of this country if I care about my human rights. This is about to become a facist shithole soon.

Oh nooooo. People are asking you to stop using a racist term on a website. Your poor poor rights

its not about the word.

I don't exactly care about the word. I'm argueing for the sake of argueing

and what I dislike is that people think that being assholes for the sake of "taking action against racism" is ok

The bolded is all you need to see, move along.

Seriously, this is a sufficient reason to just ignore. This is literal baiting.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll tell you a story.

I used to use that gif of Ed Norton in American History X. Yeah, the one where he's curb stomping the Black dude. In my mind I didn't consider it racially offensive, because I knew my heart and to me it was just some edgelord shit. Then one day, and I remember vividly that it was a game GreyICE was modding, Revolution Mafia, I posted the gif as I had several times before. MattP, a person I deeply respect, called me out for it. And I mean he was furious. Let me tell you, I felt like shit for pissing off and hurting one of my favorite posters.I apologized sincerely, and do you know what I did then? I never fucking used it again because I understood how I had inadvertently hurt someone I respected.

It's not that Fucking hard to stop doing insensitive things. You just... don't do them. If you really and truly care about the people in your community, you make it a point to not be harmful to them. You grow as a person and you make their lives just that tiny bit more pleasant.

I remember this.

This is a lesson people should take to heart. This is goodposting.

Also, people should fucking watch american history X. That is also a good lesson.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Never said that.
I said don’t dwell on the past.

LAST WEEK. LAST FUCKING WEEK.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Never said that.
I said don’t dwell on the past.

LAST WEEK. LAST FUCKING WEEK.

Equinox, he said that in the past, don't dwell on it now.

He's a god now.

Would it be too much

to go to the title thread and nominate him for

Benevolent Dick-tator.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

the answer is yes, but honestly, I'm just dying over here

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Despite me not caring about the “lynch” term.
I thought I’d share this in case other stuff is brought up.
Now Yes certain events in history were bad and very disgusting.
But it has nothing to do with a term as a whole.
Just because a term can refer to something that may appear to be racist doesn’t mean it is.

Ever heard the saying “Life is what you make it”.
That applies here.
Yes the word is known for being bad in the past but that just means someone can take initiative and change the word from being bad and degrading to something good and pure. (Or at least not as bad as people make it look like it is)
People can change so why can’t terms or things change?
Spoiler Alert - Anything and Anyone can Change.

Okay then, call someone the N word.
Right now.
Make it positive.

No?
Okay then.
Because this is the same argument.

Words can change in meaning. That's why

"Fag"

and "lynch" and many others are not appropriate in our current society.
Give it time to become uncharged and then maybe the word can be reclaimed.
But while it holds an actively negative connotation, that will not change.

Ari, don't get banned. I know what you are going for, but I am pretty sure the mod team has a policy against baiting people into bannable offenses. and sayign the N word would absolutely be one.

There are other ways to teach him. If that's your thing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

tse 4 president

Prime minister of Canada.

I've never been more ashamed to be Canadian.

Please tell me you're not from Newfoundland. Please.

Please.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I hear it's censored in which case I'm not sure it counts as baiting.

Fair. Still trying to err on the side of "let's not get people with half a sense of ethics banned accidentally" but yeah

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's why

"Fag"

and "lynch" and many others are not appropriate in our current society.

There are some situations the former word can be used as long the context it is being used is clear. The latter involves a group of people, or mob, targeting and killing a specific person,

with no further direct connotations

.

HOLY SHIT WHAT

ARE YOU ACTUALLY SAYING LYNCH HAS NO SOCIAL CONNOTATIONS?

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKING

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's why

"Fag"

and "lynch" and many others are not appropriate in our current society.

There are some situations the former word can be used as long the context it is being used is clear. The latter involves a group of people, or mob, targeting and killing a specific person,

with no further direct connotations

.

HOLY SHIT WHAT

ARE YOU ACTUALLY SAYING LYNCH HAS NO SOCIAL CONNOTATIONS?

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKING

Not in the dictionary.

NOT....

NOT In.....

adsnkds;

Fuck you, racist.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, good thing the world and all conversations take place in the dictionary. I mean, that noose in Bubba Wallace's garage, nothing to do with the fact that he's black. It's not in the dictionary.

A true insight into how society works from Creature.

That's why you judge the context and not the word.

Eat shit, racist.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i dont necessarily agree that people who obtusely refuse to accept they cant just will away social connotations to a word are racist.

that said, they can eat shit.

The difference between the white moderate and the mask off racist in this sense is completely non existent, except that the white moderate gets people to make arguments like this for them and in theri defense.

I don't distinguish.