Open 785: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Game over!]

[Raya36]

Honestly I don't think it's RCE based on interactions but I am willing to go over his iso again. I don't know him as well as A50 and The Worst but I'd be willing to consider it. I do think it's just Ydrasse though. His play today just makes sense as scum

[Raya36]

I really don't think it's A50

[Raya36]

It's going to take a really strong case for me to switch away from Ydrasse. I really think that's the right elimination and the other 2 just don't make sense to me

[Raya36]

I still don't think it's RCE. Look at SS's reads on RCE. He reads her as his top townread and I don't think he would read his partner so highly.

[Raya36]

And to add to that Mohab had RCE as his top scum read and voted him when there were 2 wagons. Then said he didn't understand the other wagon (conftown now) which committed him more to his RCE vote

[Raya36]

I just don't think 1 partner consistently has RCE as their top townread and the other partner has RCE as their top scumread and commits to their wagon.

[Raya36]

Heart says maybe Ydrasse is trying to "be townie" by being against RCE jajajajaja

~Eva

I'm so tunneled on Ydrasse being scum I'm seeing the exact same thing

[Raya36]

rce:

- has consistently had a50 at the top of his townreads and reaffirmed that as of 2089. this has been consistent and i think that repeatedly defending him would make it pretty weird coming into today if rce had to suddenly somehow pivot away from raya. he's made it a point to defend a50 well before we got to this point in places like 1353
- has defended me when i have had scrutiny over me for a large portion of this game, and i am certainly the path of least resistance at this point. granted that there has been some reconsideration of me in 2169 but... i think it's reasonable given past posts made by this slot. like, he actively went out of his way in places like 1681, 1702, 1707, 1896 when it would have been very easy to push me through when there were a lot of votes on me.
- has stuck to raya as being one of the most likely people to be scum, and tied her explicitly to s_s (1353, 1622, 1682, 1892, etc). i feel that this is definitely the path of most resistance today and it doesn't make sense to take this stance personally? there's been pushback as to anyone scumreading raya / re-evaluating her throughout the game and i don't think that scum!rce wants to come into today having made it clear where his stance is regarding her knowing that detaching from that is going to look weird.

his takes on the three people who are in the poe to him just... seem to be at odds with how everyone else is viewing the game? in general rce has sort of been going against the grain when it comes to the opinions of the confirmed.

i think the only case that i could make for rce being potential scum rests in 2248 which is... he's doing exactly that. doing things that seem counter-intuitive for scum (at least, for me) in the effort to be townread. it would explain the pushback against voting out me or a50, going for raya, being resistant to the montosh wagon at its prime (1642).

that and s_s seems to not talk a lot about/to rce. it makes sense if his townread was that strong to not want to question him but in general there's a lack of interaction between the two of them. i guess that though is like... if you scumread someone, you probably don't care if they townread you or not (because ss townread rce)? it doesn't make sense to engage them on why.

however, i think that his explanations in 2272 make sense with regards to why s_s escaping in this situation wouldn't make as much sense between rce/s_s? in general i think that s_s escaping signals that his partner is set up nicely to get someone elimmed without too much scrutiny on how and where they want to vote and rce doesn't seem like that person given his preference of voting.

so between all of that and a general sort of disregard for the confirms/unbothered attitude towards a lot of things i'm townreading rce in this situation.

Not sure what to make of this. Really pushing that the counterwagon is town

[Raya36]

I feel like I'm at a point where I could see it being RCE but I'm so death tunneled on it being Ydrasse that I don't see me moving away from my gut

[Raya36]

I'm kinda believing Ydrasse but I'm scared I'm just falling for their scum lies

[Raya36]

The only things that point to me are voting Snow day 1 and SS defending me as town after my wagon died out.

Why do you think SS defended you?

[Raya36]

If it wasn't for that self vote I'd be fully ready to go Ydrasse. Now I don't know for sure. UNVOTE:

[Raya36]

If it wasn't for that self vote I'd be fully ready to go Ydrasse. Now I don't know for sure. UNVOTE:

I'm wondering if this is the scummy willingness-to-lynch-whoever we've been looking for

I've been stating my doubts around the RCE slot recently. Just town uncertainty, I promise

[Raya36]

Plus I'm not willing to vote A50 and I'm still leaning ydrasse anyway

[Raya36]

I still want to say its Ydrasse but I don't know for sure. The end of the game is so stressful

[Raya36]

Yeah I'd be upset if we lost either way I think which is why I'm so hesitant to take a stance. But I think if I strayed from gut of Ydrasse and she won I'd be more upset than if RCE won as scum

[Raya36]

@RCE why did you self-vote? Do you feel that's something you would be more likely to do as town or scum?

@Ydrasse what do you make of RCE self-voting?

[Raya36]

I've only ever self voted as town and this is confirmable. Do with this what you will.

Can you link any examples off the top of your head that you've done this?

[Raya36]

VOTE: Almost50

Of all of the unconfirmed, this person has put in the least effort to figure out the last mafioso. I don't think I have seen a post from him in which he says who he thinks the mafioso is.

I strongly disagree with A50 being scum. I still think it's one of RCE or Ydrasse

[Raya36]

Ok true. Maybe don't answer that RCE

[Raya36]

I went back through to see why I cleared A50. I had the same reason. That case on SS and how if it was scum theatre I'd expect SS to interact more. But if SS doesn't like theatre enough to not interact that would explain that. But it's hard to say since when I'm scum I try to take cases on me with a grain of salt and not overreact so it also could just be that.

Also I'm not really interested in RCE anymore.

[Raya36]

Honestly if everyone wants to go for A50 I'm willing to. I'm between A50 and Ydrasse now and this is actually kind of convincing

[Raya36]

Ages ago, we also had a plan of just lynching inside the Snow wagon; it's very unlikely both scum bussed, so as long as we don't leave it, there's a good chance of getting one scum. Maybe we go back to that?? ?

~Eva

So if I recall correctly that makes the pool RCE and A50.
Me and Yrdasse were on the scum wagon I think

[Raya36]

I think I'll go for it. I have no idea what the VC is though so consider my vote on A50 and I'll see where were at when I get home tonight

[Raya36]

Ok and it's 5 to eliminate so I'm safe to vote too as long as the next person claims intent

VOTE: Almost50

[Raya36]

Idk if that vote counted or not but UNVOTE: . I want to hear from a50 first and don't want scum to quick hammer if were wrong

[Raya36]

i wonder if ydrasse is just scum. lol.

I don't think getting to E-1 quickly is town-indicative if that what you're implying?

[Raya36]

oh it's not, i was wondering if ydra would lolhammer

Ah, got you

[Raya36]

YAYYY!!

Good job everyone and especially those who turned it around to a game winning scum elimination last minute! Good job to scum too, you all.played really well.

Also sorry to Ydrasse for tunneling you so hard at the end there. I was convinced. RCE never felt right but I really thought it was you until the A50 case came up

[Raya36]

Raven, who were you?

I wasn’t in this game just spectating. Also the real kicker was when he started hard shading super obvtown Raya for apparently having this great scumgame and invoking the presumed entire scumteam from said game wrt to her alleged amazing scum abilities. That was so over the top scummy. lmaoooo

Not to mention I kinda suck as scum