Open 790 | Purgatory | Game Over!

[Isis]

This is unique, we can talk but there is only 1 silent dictator.

[Isis]

Norwee seems like the safest person to Judge, less so with walter green but still so
Narset was townreading GC very very hard in heaven1 so I doubt she's pivoted all the way to wanting to judge him. With so many scum in the game we shouldn't have to ask her to play in that faithless of a way.
If she's considering spicier-than-Norwee takes on Dannflor and Cyth I would prefer she shoot Dann over Cyth between the two. Actually I would prefer she be slow to shoot and let us play this phase more. I'm not really sure.
A lot of trying to compare Cyth and Dannflor keeps coming up "I believe in my heart that Dannflor has more range" and I feel bad for having trouble getting any deeper than that

[Isis]

The problem is that Hectic isn't in his range either

I could tinfoil that my really strong townread on the player I have no meta on is wrong but, this game seems to have too much town

[Isis]

Cthylla only has tentacles, this is pretty unfair to it

. . . I kind of have pause about clidd feeling that strongly about GC town. Why are you confident on GC town clidd?

[Isis]

I was waiting to see which way these votes would take.

I'm kind of surprise that GC is voting Cth, but whatever.

I understand that thesis but I wish you didn't have to use a triggering game reference

[Isis]

I have to swallow lots of pride if clidd is scum but cyth and Dann both posted townier than him last phase so it is a shrinking delta

[Isis]

I'm really confbiased at this point, but yeah, Green Crayon's bravado reads as really fake.

What do you mean in 1444, Isis?

I'm sympathetic to a SvS interpretation

references to AvP should come with trigger warnings though

[Isis]

it's not bravado it's nothing we say matters at this point

haya is going to reread and then might finally read what we're saying rn and then be like "okay this thing i was leaning towards anyway"

Mafia is always that though. You can be at E-1 and post your wallpost and the swing voter can read your whole post and go "yeah but actually this thing I was leaning towards anyway VOTE: Green Crayons"
That's a distinction without a difference.
It seems like you have a different grasp of your win probability than we do since the ability to plead is the same here

[Isis]

perhaps clidd/isis/norwegian makes some sense

by my heart of hearts feels bad when I try putting isis in scum teams

I feel like my mind is just wandering there because the recent posts from GC are just yucky in a way that make scum reading him less fun

pedit; isis can you clarify whether that vote is just a "I suspect this person" or a "I think Hayasaka should judge this person?"

the vote is inside quotes, about a hypothetical regular game where someone might vote him even though he's defended himself, the same way Hayasaka might vote him whether or not he makes more of his case here. I was illustrating a point.
I think Norwee is the safest shot from what I can work out.

[Isis]

I'm really confbiased at this point, but yeah, Green Crayon's bravado reads as really fake.

What do you mean in 1444, Isis?

I'm sympathetic to a SvS interpretation

references to AvP should come with trigger warnings though

I still don't get it tbh. It's an encoded demonic message, isn't it?

AvP is Alisae V Pine. It was a large invitational game. I don't wanna talk about it though.

[Isis]

Dannflor pockitted me

[Isis]

Hayasaka, don't draw conclusions from what people say today.

This is crrrrrrrrreepy

[Isis]

I like walter but I don't feel bad about his elimination

I kind of feel like I need to start over in a new game with him to read him right

[Isis]

I'm increasingly relieved I don't have a vote

Clidd seems really weird. That's such an explosive reaction to not getting townread from a slot that has been bouncing contrarian reads off the walls all game

[Isis]

Nasty=probtown is unfortunately an old tale

[Isis]

This was a stacked lobby, the town probably would have won 6-3 nightless. It is somewhat hard to say because imbalances in the setup can influence the dayplay itself so you can't necessarily point at the quality of the game's consensus sort and assess how the playerlist and rand would have gone with a different setup.


Like I said in the scum PT I'm thinking Purgatory should be a 7-4 with the over/under being a need to hell 3 of the scums. Nightless Vanilla seems to suggests 8-4 nightless is probably balanced, so 7-4 with forgiveness for townlocking 1 scum should be less scumsided than that and possibly still too townsided.

[Isis]

If you remove to the white flag element it's not the same setup, but i think for it to actually be balanced around a simple majority helled scum the numbers would have to be as crazy as 7:5 heavenstart.

1 escape out of a 4 person scumteam leaves the reveal-townread-scum element in in a way that is plausibly balanceable.

Also if you remove the white flag element you could lose immediately upon deciding you townread scum day 2.
I would never design a setup just like that and it's available for signups in the Mini Theme Queue.

[Isis]

No redactions

[Isis]

Great job modding MT

[Isis]

I wasted so much good townspew I should have saved for a scum rand in an easier setup

[Isis]

I'm going to play a mafia game in 2032, roll scum, paste at least 4 exact quotes from this game with only player names changed, win, and quote this post in postgame

[Isis]

wait is that a trust tell maybe I can't do that

[Isis]

I want to try modding the 10:5 version of this setup and seeing if that skews the balance the other way.

Thank you for modding Morning Tweet! Fantastic flavor

Also a very nice player list it was a fun game

Not sure why you would expect it to? It's still a 2:1 ratio of town to scum.
I know there's the "towns throw larges" thesis but it seems weak in comparison to plenty of test info about this ratio and how strong town's advantages look on paper.
Is there something else I'm missing?

[Isis]

Not sure why you would expect it to? It's still a 2:1 ratio of town to scum.
I know there's the "towns throw larges" thesis but it seems weak in comparison to plenty of test info about this ratio and how strong town's advantages look on paper.
Is there something else I'm missing?

- Town win if they achieve send 4 scum hells.
- Scum win if they send 3 to heaven or win a judgement day.
- After sending a 3rd scum to Hell the game will no longer have heaven phases.

Do you think that would be enough?

Is this all for a 10:5? Yeah, I think that's good enough to try out for a 10:5.

[Isis]

Hayasaka's proposed setup wins the game for scum on 40% scum in heaven and wins the game for town when town have the restraint to send only 20% of scum to heaven.

I didn't realize she has a redundant 60% condition. If you heaven 2/5 scum, it becomes impossible to heaven 4/5, so the scum have won. Unless you define it as a draw or something. Don't do that.

[Isis]

Norwee are you actually going to sig that warning label

[Isis]

I kind of internalized the badness of the setup so I'm sorry it hit you hard.

[Isis]

I got angry about being scumread for fluffposting, but I don't think I was that angry about being scumread for posting a wall, it's whatever. I might have redistributed my anger strategically

[Isis]