Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[Albert B. Rampage]

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mine

link to VC on this page

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Mine

link to next VC (post 2619)

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Creativemod and Gamma are confirmed town too.

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albert are u gonna use ur night action tonight

All options are on the table. I'm mainly using my power as a deterrent against bad attacks for now. I will strike back at anyone who tries anything stupid, that's a guarantee.

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gamma is potentially scum still trying to be "town" with mechs. CM ill give benefit of the doubt

What the fuck are you talking about?

Gamma destroyed two labs and got attacked. He's way more confirmed town than you. Nos could easily operate on himself to throw off the town. His play is not town, the only reason we think you're semi-conftown is because we're weighing the odds of a setup vs. you being a real target.

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yeah i literally used my action to suicide assuming id encounter a library to gain knowledge with an inspect . Totally took an rng chance like that.

Whatever i dont care. Elim fng and then if they flip town we fucking plow my poe

The library is a public, permanent room. Anyone can use it whenever they want. You should know this.

Vote F&G so we can finally take a scum out.

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You're wasting my time.

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We all have the same role.

Massclaiming actions allows scum to steal our items and play around our advantages.

I'm not going to hold your hand all game long, read page 1 and start getting productive because I have a game to win.

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You know scum can use their 1-shot stealth and gang attack you and all the items will drop from your limp body for them to steal.

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Dk is a complete idiot.

link to VC on this page

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whatever cats out of the bag i have a pgo sort of ability that reduces the knowledge of anyone who attacks me to 1

oh what the fuck nos what is wrong with u this literally is an S tier ability and u just spill it im actually kinda pissed bc i assumed that a sensible player would hide this kind of thing.. ya know cause its not something u just out

You've made a complete fool out of yourself.

I'm not going back and reading the last however many pages. This entire day has been derailed and Sircakez has successfuly gotten F&G off. Pay attention.

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Also pay attention to Johnny jumping off F&G just like he did yesterday to lynch Bingle.

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I haven't read anything. I took 1 look at the VC and can see from it sircakez has done exactly as I predicted. He loves saying he's willing to vote you and never actually does. And Johnny loves to hop off.

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Interesting. Johnny your turn.

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What did Lavar do that you think is scummy?

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Did you look at his games and take that into account?

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I wanted to lynch Pine pretty badly so you know I don't have any love for the slot. Now though, I want to cut Lavar some slack. The site doesn't get so many new players anymore and this game has been really vicious. I'll re-evaluate tomorrow.

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What do you think of Johnny?

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My bad, I have the sword from Lamar. I have sent it to Gamma.

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I need the pigeon. I have to send Gamma a secret message.

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My bad, I have the sword from Lamar. I have sent it to Gamma.

Lavar said they sent it to me just now though? Was that a lie?
Btw the sword can’t be sent again until D4 since it’s already been sent once today

He's lying. He gave it to me and I sent it to you but no confirmation from lilith yet if it's on CD.

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I'll attack Lavar tonight and if anyone else wants to join they are welcome.

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Some comments on the game:

This was the first game I've ever designed. Like the game it's based on, I think it's very swingy, but the intent was to create a mafia game that was fun/new/cool, and I hope that I achieved that. I apologize if the game didn't feel balanced or felt unfair in design, that was not my intent. Unfortunately I think with a setup like this, with so many variables, true balance may not really be achievable.

I'm definitely open to

constructive

criticism - I'd like to run more of these at some point in the future, and I am woefully inexperienced at setup balance. Some of the things that happened in this game I also didn't foresee, like people being confirmable on whether or not they had destroyed a lab, and that (among other things I didn't foresee) probably led to the game being more townsided than I had intended. Feedback is much appreciated.

Mafia being able to kill every night is an extremely important mechanic that allows them to keep pace with town figuring out conftown.

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Scum being able to kill 1 player every night would have fixed balancing imo.

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I still feel ABR did a tactical replace out here

I still feel ABR did a tactical replace out here

I reported him :shrug:
Idk if anything came of it tho

I was sick of playing for a week and was planning on basically prod dodging for the rest of the game so I decided instead to replace out for my own mental health.

It was not a pleasant mafia pt as you will read.

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Yeah all good.

I didn't feel the game was fair, wasn't having fun, tried too hard to win and the game was rigged against me, I left before it got more toxic.

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When town mislynches 3 times in a row and you have 0% chance to win because of mechanics its upsetting.

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I 100% did not expect my slot would die day 4. I thought town would lynch lamar and I'd have to suffer through several more weeks.

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I also didn't believe Dkkoba's claim but that's a balance issue. I found it way too powerful to have a role that exposes everyone attacking them. If all 3 scum attack him and he survives (which he most likely will because scum is weak af) the game is over. Which is so weird to me from a setup perspective.

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We crunched numbers and it was like 16% chance of lethal if all 3 of us hit lmao. It was so pathetic. Scum couldn't kill anyone or even close to it.

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I put up a good fight. Just impossible to win when everyone is confirmed town from destroying labs and scum can't kill for shit.

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I was worried about Pine for giving himself +1 knowledge on N0 and at lamar for just announcing in the thread that he has a sword. Me for attacking dk in a suicide attack (but his personality just annoys me so I didn't want to play with him, the fact he was conftown justified my reason for trying to kill him with 12 dice in a kamikaze attack that didn't kill him. He got lucky.). Scum made mechanical mistakes but they weren't fatal mistakes. The day play was poor. Iksf and I did what we could to play a terrible hand.

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I still feel ABR did a tactical replace out here

I still feel ABR did a tactical replace out here

I reported him :shrug:
Idk if anything came of it tho

I was sick of playing for a week and was planning on basically prod dodging for the rest of the game so I decided instead to replace out for my own mental health.

It was not a pleasant mafia pt as you will read.

Understandable. I was considering reporting recently but wanted to know more before doing so

What rule?

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I think from liliths perspective of seeing my evolution in scum pt:

1) i wasnt having fun since day 1. Was the only active player until iksf replaced in.
2) i was going to replace out when dkkoba replaced in because of personality clash
3) when he didnt die i was committed to leaving anyways no matter what advantage or disadvantage there was. Not that im aware of any rule that stops you from pm'ing the mod to quietly replace out when you have a personality clash with someone.

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When you didn't die*

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Stop talking to me. I don't want to interact with you at all. Ever again in any dimension.

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I think you played well FWIW. Let's end our brief acquaintance on a positive note.

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Spoiler:

A Reminder of Replacement Rules:



Due to a recent uptick in reports regarding public discussion of replacements coupled with an influx of returning members, we would like to provide a brief reminder about the rule change as of April 2019 that we have made regarding replacements.

3. Replacements, while sometimes necessary, also serve as an outside influence. As such, do not tell other players to replace out. Do not publicly threaten to replace out of a game. If you do need to replace out, do not publicly discuss your reasons or anything else, as you are no longer a player in the game. PM your game moderator if you are considering replacing out or have concerns and believe another player should be replaced out.

4. Once a replace-out request has been made public by the moderator, the player replacing out is to stop posting in the game. The player is not allowed to replace back into the game or rescind their request. If a moderator wants to allow any deviation from these rules, it must be stated explicitly in their rule set.



We have been lenient with reminders/notifications instead of official warnings over the previous year as the site adjusted to these changes. This PSA serves as a public notification that we will not be lenient moving forward. To simplify things:

1. All replacement requests (replacing in or replacing out) must be done via PM with your moderator. Once the moderator has acknowledged (publicly or privately) that your replace out request has been received, you may not rescind the request. There are no exceptions to this rule.
2. Telling other players to replace out is strictly prohibited.
3. Publicly threatening to replace out of a game is strictly prohibited.
4. After you have sent the replacement request to the mod, or the mod notifies you that you are being replaced, you may not post in the game thread.

This is not an attempt to prohibit replacing out of games. The purpose of this rule is to eliminate metagaming, whether it is by making threats of replacing out to create the impression of emotional distress or by telling someone to leave the game to do the same. As we have stated in other public announcements, mafia functions on a social contract. Faking out-of-game emotional reactions to manipulate other players is similar to faking out-of-game personal crises for the purpose of manipulation. We expect our players to treat each other with basic decency. Everyone is here to play a game. Social manipulation will take place within the context of the game. There is enough ugliness in the world already, let's not create more in this space for the purpose of a minor edge within a game at the expense of other's emotional well-being.

If a game moderator wishes to deviate from these rules, it must be explicitly stated in their rule set. Implications of a rule change do not count.

Frequently Asked Questions:



Q: What if the game moderator force-replaces me but I want to replace back into the slot?
A: You must PM the moderator.

Q: What if it's in their rule set that I am allowed to replace back in if a replacement hasn't been found yet?
A: Unless their rule set explicitly states that you may post in the thread after you have been notified that you are being force-replaced, you may not post in the thread.

Q: What if someone is causing me real emotional distress?
A: If someone is creating a hostile environment in game, outside of the normal bounds of mafia, report their posts.

@cakez and fun and games

I didn't break any rules as far as I know. /shrug

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Theres only one reason I replaced out and it had everything to do with one player. I'm happy to stay and troll the rest of you until I flip lol

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What rule?

Tactical replace-outs (under the umbrella of playing to win)
I wanted to give you a chance to mention the logic behind it first. I believe in due process.

Link?

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Subject: Stop getting banned

- If you replace out of a game because you do not like your alignment, this is you tactically replacing out. This is not playing mafia to win, this is tactically replacing out of a game. This is against the rules.

This is where I’m getting the connection between tactical replace-outs and playing to win.

This is talking about replacing out upon receiving your alignment, not playing 3 full days and nights.

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1 idea I think should be explored if you run this again is having a haunt with a monster that scum controls, this can be something that has a higher and unknown strength which can cause more damage, I'd suggest this rather than the anon attack mechanic.

Hmm if there's no guaranteed lethal, then guaranteed damage is a must. The die rolling a 0 cannot be possible. The dice should be like 2-4 for scum. Don't forget town can roll 0-2 and stop some damage, but they should at least be injured and feel like they escaped death by an inch if they survive. Not get off scott free.

I threw 12 freaking dice in one night and wasn't able to do anything!!!

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The concept of this setup is too town-sided.

All actions are accounted for so scum can't just decide to attack.
If everyone goes to the gym and scum attack, the next day all scum are caught.
If you leash scum to negative utility items, they can't attack.
If they use their 1-shot stealth, they can't attack anymore.
Most of the town had amazing PRs like additional defensive dice or if you fail to kill them (85% of the time), all scum are caught.
When scum damaged a player, that player was healed and became conftown.
Then you have labs that town can easily destroy, activated or not. Town outnumber scum so their actions are always going to defeat scum by sheer math.
They will collect more items, open more rooms, interact with more interesting things, message conftown privately.

People who say it was a little town-sided are wrong, it was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy town-sided to the point that even if there was 4 scum, scum would still lose easily.

Scum being able to destroy labs or fake attacks on themselves is just stupid. Either way its a waste of action and doesnt help scum wincon. Because its too townsided.

Scum could not

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...surprise town in any way as our entire role pm was basically public

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I do have to say that lilith was an exceptional mod. 10/10 on flavor, communication, the balance on how much to interfere in the game as mod. it was really well done, bravo.

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LOL

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im someone that gets anxiety about thread unlock delays at dawn and lilith being on schedule was tremendously helpful