Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakez never taking off D1 despite constantly having town votes on him, being in the area of the GB wagon where I think scum are, and having a voting pattern D2 that hard reads as textbook bussing is why he’s scummy. I also think all scum were on F&G D3.

Johnny (beeboy) being off of GB when I think 2 scum were on him is a plus, and he was a target of ABR D2 and also had a vote on Pine that didn’t feel like a bus vote, but I also don’t like how he seemed to wagon shop on the two town wagons EoD2 and I think him being on F&G wasn’t a good look either.

IKS (DrP) was also off the GB lim, I think he voted Chara and ABR at a time where it didn’t make sense to bus vote, and he was voting scum consistently D3 and also doing a vote-dance with Dk that makes me think IKS and Dk share alignment, which makes IKS town. But I do not like how IKS unvoted Pine, and he voted with the person he was was just voting when he dropped the hammer D2, which seems a little questionable.

I don’t like Ydrasse having been on GB at the end where I feel like scum were on the back-middle of the wagon, but ABR’s voting patterns make that slot towny and Ydrasse/Noraa’s D2 votes on the scum didn’t seem like bussing.

Penguin’s slot also was subject to similar voting behaviors from ABR that Johnny and Ydrasse/Noraa also experienced, and I like the fact he was consistently on scum on D3 when the bussing was apparently quite low.

That’s effectively all the takeaways I had during my VCA parsed into brief opinions on the PoE slots.

[Gamma Emerald]

At least the elim was fast lol.

Yeah when I realized Flavor was starting to generate muck I opted to drop hammer over trying to perfect a plan while that was going on.

[Gamma Emerald]

well fng was hella towny so i would not be surprised to see an all scum on wagon thing

Idk about this but F&G flipping town and ABR/Flavor flipping scum really helped me see how wrong my mindset was for pushing F&G when I probably should have pushed ABR
But I think what placated me on ABR was actually how he and Cakez were acting confident that they were both town, which looking back makes Cakez look bad even outside the VCA

[Gamma Emerald]

sfa?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d definitely prefer to vote down the VCA
IKS and Noraa

both

apparently acted out of turn last night, so you can’t really fault one exclusively, and because of that I would rather not press it rn when more salient points exist

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly until something jeopardizes the lives of one of us, we can just try to kill off everyone outside of {me,CMod,Dk} since even if one of those is

somehow

wrong (which at this point the only sensible one to be wrong would be CMod) there’s still the ability to resolve it in a 3p ExLo

[Gamma Emerald]

as in, lab got activated and then destroyed

Based on how the first 2 labs appeared after being destroyed I guess yes to this

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw if you really wanna look over the VCs from each day to draw your own conclusions I can post the raw data I have in my PT too. I actually re-rendered every VC into a basic format so it wouldn’t brick the site if you went to the page it was on

[Gamma Emerald]

literally what town motivation was there in using ur second action to explore and not just destroy lab?

Btw, town motivation to explore is you could find a room with an item or event or some permanent effect, with labs being the only real duds
And like, IKS was not equally equipped to destroy labs as others, which is why F&G got a ration of shit for trying to do it N2. So the treatment F&G got probably also impacted IKS’ decision-making.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d rather not impose a limitation like that tbh
Scum still needs a good number of labs to win, as long as we can allot someone with good knowledge to do it on a night then everyone else should be free to spend their actions however they please

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually IKS did essentially what he was told to the letter, he just still had an extra action
Yeah Dk I’m curious how you’re going to leash non-Noraa people who have 4+ speed

[Gamma Emerald]

Did you get up to adequate mischief last night gamma?

Mischief Managed, my friend.

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw if anyone has found events via exploration I’d love to know what sort of thing happened in them
Iirc Nosf (Dk) found one N0?

[Gamma Emerald]

Waaaaait a minute
Shit LITERALLY isn’t adding up here.

[Gamma Emerald]

How the hell did you crush Lavar mate?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m honestly okay with that explanation, I’d already felt like you attacking was an all-or-nothing deal

And I preferred to eliminate the openwolfing player over trying to talk around it, especially with presence Flavor Leaf is capable of.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: SirCakez
You’re not allowed to keep that secret unless it’s to the grave pal. Even Frodo is concerned.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wdym by raise 2 stats?
And based on that reveal of the event I may have done something with a bit of unneeded haste last night

[Gamma Emerald]

You legitimately rolled something that you never should have been able to with your stated powers. I want to know

how

so we have knowledge of what sort of threat you might pose. Refusal to comply constitutes admission of guilt. Claim or die. I have the power to act on those words, and I honestly really want to do it with how rarely I get that shot, so you don’t want to give me a reason to.

[Gamma Emerald]

I care because if you make it to a critical point in the game you could smash someone without us being able to do much about it. As for waiting for others, that is fair though I expect they have more reason to care than I do.

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like having everyone use one action to explore might have been an ok idea

Also, being able to attack with speed makes sense because iirc there are weapons in the board game that enable that
But I still am concerned about Cakez having that +2 attack item

[Gamma Emerald]

Whoever attacked could claim it though

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s the deadline to decide

[Gamma Emerald]

Fair enough.

[Gamma Emerald]

I s2g Dk if we vote out Noraa at ANY point and she doesn’t flip Doctor I’m yanking your right to control the mech play
I think the VCA is right. At the very least, Noraa should not be a primary vote target rn. I would definitely like to vote out Cakez here though.

[Gamma Emerald]

IKS pls stop lolcatting as town

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re filling the thread with non-content posting. It bloats the thread. Stop it, or try to mix it in with contributions.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakez killing Lavar could have been a ploy to gain cred
Keep in mind we only had THREE doctor attacks charted (two on Dk, presumably both done by ABR by using personal and factional attacks, and the one that I redirected onto Flavor Leaf). In addition if it WERE Noraa why didn’t SHE attack someone as well/instead??? They also could have tried to debilitate me N2 if it was both Noraa and ABR as scum, but they DIDN’T.

[Gamma Emerald]

meh im just having a hard time believing nora is really this bad as town lol

No offense, but she is
Like, Noraa, you know how you tied to break apart Taylor and BM in the Haunted Village game? THAT’S WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO WITH YOU AND DK!!!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

I would have liked you to acknowledge the part of the post directed entirely at you Noraa

[Gamma Emerald]

Tell me once you want to discuss post 4003.
I am trolling till then.

I really don’t see why we don’t just try to keep the 3 conftown alive
Beyond that I think we can just elim down everyone else

[Gamma Emerald]

No, but you are the towniest person in the PoE

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, Noraa, you know how you tied to break apart Taylor and BM in the Haunted Village game? THAT’S WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO WITH YOU AND DK!!!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

At this point it's more keeping Dk off you but you also were going after Dk D3

[Gamma Emerald]

I would hope dawn is over, it's felt like a full day by now

[Gamma Emerald]

Johnny had the knowledge boost iirc, it was one shot I believe

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma i'm trusting u to sort dkkoba because i've stopped vibing/understanding anything they're posting tyia

TYIA?
and like all the evidence points to Dk being town at this point, to a point where until scum has to be a "conftown" we should never touch them

[Gamma Emerald]

pls don't vote tw
Dk you really need to stop using your vote as a mere bludgeoning tool

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma these two scenarios are very different and uk it.

I don't feel like it's much different. I townread you and Dk and wanted to keep you two from focusing on each other rather than slots I actually felt had a good chance to be scum. And you know how I think when it comes to meta pattern analysis at this point, I would say.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Noraa's attitude reminds me of myself in some other game, I can't place it exactly rn but I know I've had that "I don't want to stick to the plan bc you're rude about it" attitude before

[Gamma Emerald]

Noraa spamming wikitells is probably not a scumtell, she has very basic levels of thinking, which isn't bad as long as she evolves past them as she plays more

[Gamma Emerald]

Noraa also has a very unique dictionary, jsyk.

:^)

[Gamma Emerald]

lmao you're way closer to the mark than you might think with that

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm kinda jaded about policy voting Noraa, seeing as in a recent game I used policy as an excuse to miselim her
I think policying her any time she transgresses is not conducive to allowing her to get better at the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

im staying up for the flip im excited

the what

[Gamma Emerald]

wdym info on d1 start

[Gamma Emerald]

did-
Did scum not attack anyone last night? No one's spoken up on that it seems

[Gamma Emerald]

johnny is there anything you can do rn that Noraa cannot when it comes to night actions

[Gamma Emerald]

wdym item that let's you take 2 actions
wdym about the heal item taking actions
the way you speak of these feels like I should've known about them sooner. These are just the things from the vault right?

[Gamma Emerald]

Betrayal Dice have values of 0, 1, and 2
so it is possible to roll worse than all ones

[Gamma Emerald]

Can you please describe them more? Just enough so I figure out whether you or someone else should be using them, and who it should be used on in case of the heal

[Gamma Emerald]

I definitely think that heal item should be utilized by a conftown, or on one. Not sure which.

[Gamma Emerald]

Dk is already confirmed good, asking publicly does confirm me though

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd definitely prefer to have the heal item used on me. Someone in the PoE should use it.
The bonus action should probably go to a conftown

[Gamma Emerald]

I think in order to placate Dk we should have Noraa use the heal item on me

[Gamma Emerald]

Give Noraa the heal and have her use it on me
Give CMod the extra action

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw, it was said that Dk has knowledge boosters somewhere? What is the deal with those?

[Gamma Emerald]

I believe Johnny is conf as well?

Not sure about Johnny since Dk did claim to destroy both before Johnny claimed his attempt iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay

[Gamma Emerald]

Is the heal item night use only?

[Gamma Emerald]

Is CM1 cleared?

Damn close imo

[Gamma Emerald]

He’s aided me and Dk’s slot early on, in ways comparable to what you’ve done
So he’s probably as conftown as you

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh since we know doctors can’t destroy labs we could probably use that to generate true conftowns even further with some action planning

[Gamma Emerald]

Seems like we’ve decided on Cakez lim by now
Night plan should probably be formed soon

[Gamma Emerald]

I always hate getting miselimmed but if you fuckers pull one on me after NKing a scum and leading a wagon on the other scum the next day I'm gonna blow a gasket

Flavor Leaf was outed you didn’t lead shit
That seems like the same sort of cred you wanted when you voteparked on Pine D2. You have to EARN your towncred, mate.
As for killing Lavar, we only have 3 scum attacks tallied from N3 so you very well could have attacked your buddy. You’re not proven yet. Not to degree me and Dk are.

[Gamma Emerald]

she has very basic levels of thinking

You just made my day.

wasn't gonna comment but since u decided to bring this up in a p offensive way, HMPH >:(
*pouts in a corner*
gamma I demand town cred lollipops for attempting to destroy a lab and destroying the stupid event that would've healed me up especially since u called my complex thinking simple >:((((((((((((((

Sure, but I do think you are very newbish in your logic. I don’t think that’s a permanent situation, but it’s a thing I think is hindering your ability to be respected as a player.

[Gamma Emerald]

Matter of fact
VOTE: fun and games

sorry meant to quote this

CreativeMod Noraa and Johnny were all on this too so this is especially stupid

As were Lavar and ABR
Don’t even pal.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can speed up mech clears by helping chew through the suspects pool

Part of why you’re able to do that is an item, if you have that to a conftown they could do it too
This is where Dk’s item consolidation idea works

[Gamma Emerald]

Ttttt

[Gamma Emerald]

PP's vote on lavar + their insistence to refuse to follow a mech strategy is probably scum motivated.

@gamma can u tell me what the rolls on the attacks were against you?

3 and 4

[Gamma Emerald]

Also scum barely fucking bussed D3 so I really wanna hear why you think PP acted outside the general scum behavioral pattern?

[Gamma Emerald]

i have a sneaking suspicion gamma rolled rly well last nieght

what

[Gamma Emerald]

OwO

[Gamma Emerald]

i have recieved a special 1 shot track. VOTE: cakez we shoot in a circle and no one outside of conftown visits the lab.

This plan, while good on paper, is kinda not the best for tonight in specific
Tonight specifically, no one except a player who already knows their identity should be visiting the lab

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re literally trying to suck the fun out of the game by limiting exploration
We’ve never had more than 1 lab appear at a time. I’m starting to think there’s a cap on labs that can be found in a night
So limiting exploration restricts ability to find fun and useful things more than ability to find labs I feel

[Gamma Emerald]

And destroying labs is literally the best way to generate new conftown so saying only existing conftown should do it doesn’t really seem smart, nor does it?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m okay with leashing to a certain extent but tying everyone down just makes it uninteresting
These mechanics exist, they should be used imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, I'll tell you why we're leashing

DK has an item which can auto-destroy labs providing it isn't activated. So if we leash everyone from being able to activate it then we're safe to destroy it

Is it a one shot item?
Anyway, what do we do if we can’t explore? I can’t attack at all so I’m pretty much unable to do anything?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve already claimed what scum rolled on their attacks, very recently
Read ffs, not reading might be your gimmick but it’s a stupid-ass gimmick

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay

[Gamma Emerald]

Humility is key to persuasion.

[Gamma Emerald]

obviously

yeah uh. I wanted you to list the names

Gamma, DkKoba I think? I'm taking Gamma's word for Gamma being cleared, I think DkKoba is un-cc'd in claiming destroyed labs today

Well I'm cleared for the exact reason Dk is, un-CCed in destroying labs, but it happened N2 while Dk is cleared for doing it N4. I never really tried to clear myself definitively off of that because I thought it might be possible for doctors to do it and didn't want to be the one to ask if I was the only one being verified. It popped into my head that I should still ask even if I'm holding onto it to use later halfway through my VCA and I asked and got the same answer to mod gave publicly, and I just got lucky that the same night I decided to ask was the night it also was able to clear someone else.
The next tier of clears imo is you and CMod because you both have supplemented me and/or other players that would hurt scum, but unfortunately yours didn't really amount to much because I wasn't attacked when you aided me and CMod hasn't really been utilizing his status as near-conftown to try and be a town voice in solving the game, he seems content to rest on his laurels.
After that I kinda think JF's been towny on the mech side is ways he hasn't really had to be, but it's not definitive. Noraa too but maybe weaker
then IKS and Cakez haven't really had any mech reasons to TR them, outside of maybe Cakez killing scum but that could have been a scum gambit.

tbh I want to ask you, what specifically are you seeing as Cakez trying to give Flavor an extra night?

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah it seems like exploring most of the time results in items being found? That's why I'm not in favor of banning exploration

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I want to ask you, what specifically are you seeing as Cakez trying to give Flavor an extra night?

I've quoted it like 137 times

you've mentioned it but idr you quoting it

[Gamma Emerald]

CMod gave me the item that allowed me to have the confidence to destroy labs N2, and also healed someone D2 iirc
tw did something N3 that I don't think he wants outed yet, and gave me a potion D4 that did a thing
JF I really just think how he handled/is handling the vault items is pretty trustworthy, it's kinda like what you did with the stat boost room, but I think he's had less reason to be upfront, you did let slip the room's existence when you could have kept it secret but it could have been not processing the downside of it. The main thing about the room you found that makes me trust you is the stated effect not making sense if you were a doctor

[Gamma Emerald]

wdym n5
are you guaranteeing that's what you'll do N5?

[Gamma Emerald]

I might be able to just kill ABR slot tonight

actually I can FOR SURE kill ABR/Flavor tonight barring shenanigans like a roleblock

if FL actually has that ability this is "let us leave scum alive so they can act tonight before we murder them" and if you can't see how that's a request coming from a scumbuddy I will gouge my eyes out

solve with actual scumhunting you say? sure, why are you not a partner

btw I think this works out
Flavor had this weird pattern of action where he was defeatist and then got strangely active and survivalistic
Cakez trying to save FL does seem partnery with that in mind

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: SirCakez
Yeah I was already thinking his Lavar kill should have made him more eager to condemn Flavor
(I voted this in dawn phase but I think voting to skip dawn got my vote voided)

[Gamma Emerald]

it definitely seems like it'll be between you and cakez today
I'd much prefer Cakez out of that set of 2

[Gamma Emerald]

keep in mind everyone that isn't noraa only gets one attack
what would you have them do with their other actions? Not allocating them just gives room for them to do scum things, and it seems most people have visited both permanent rooms by now

[Gamma Emerald]

actually i dont like that nora and worst are set to attack eachother.

turn it into a chain:

cm1 > nora > iks > johnny > worst > cm1

final post follow this ^^^^^^^^^
gamma do lab with me

if u have extra actions either abstain them or use steal on a non clear. dont visit lab or explore unless ur are visiting a permanent room like worst is with their extra action.

I want CM1 > IKS > Noraa > Johnny > worst > CM1
Is this amenable to you Dk?

[Gamma Emerald]

Shouldn't people who aren't Gamma, DK try to deactivate labs to get more clears?

No. Fuck off.

He has a point
We can still see if a lab was activated the night it was destroyed, OP says so
So the concern over “oooh they can activate instead” doesn’t worry me that much?

Obviously we want to

limit

the people who are doing that but your plan makes it harder to make new conftown

[Gamma Emerald]

im just letting gamma see that they should listen to me while ee have miselims

Still not seeing it. Having correct SRs doesn’t magically validate your mech spec. You can be a fantastic scum hunter with no capacity for thinking about setup elements. If you want me to follow your plan you need to detail why it’s actually good, and not have gaping holes in it.

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma seriously. Do me a favor and just sheep me for ONE day. I will reveal all tomorrow.

If you’re wrong I’m gonna dunk on you big time

[Gamma Emerald]

ok so lets still do the attack circle IMO, bc we DO want to soften up ppl and force them to dock their strength to 1 if possible. (with no strength they cant rly damage anyone anymore)

and 1 person attempts lab destruction. id say person with 4 knowledge should do it

If we’re doing attack circle Cakez CANNOT be alive during it
Or at the very least he must surrender his offense booting item to me or Dk.

[Gamma Emerald]

Besides that I think we’ve managed to fix some of my biggest issues

[Gamma Emerald]

it's almost like we should elim cakez and if the game continues do a snazzy plan :0

I’d prefer to give him the chance to surrender his offense booster rather than have him die holding it which lets scum steal it potentially
I was trying to do this with Lavar D3 btw but I also was trying to silver-tongue it since being direct about the plan (get the sword and then yeet Lavar) would have been counterintuitive. But since Cakez should be fully processing the position he is in, I can be explicit and it won’t change his actions. I’m predisposed to yeeting him, but compliance will reduce that. He knows that, so speaking with that in mind is okay.

[Gamma Emerald]

W/e
I have an item giving me +2 to attack but there's a cost to using it that I don't want to reveal
And my career lets me attack with Speed

[Gamma Emerald]

wait cakez has an offense booster?

if u dumbtell one more time im just going to vote u

Willful ignorance is DkKoba’s defining character trait

[Gamma Emerald]

Why’d you switch to hydra

[Gamma Emerald]

Ah ok
I am mildly concerned you are delaying by requiring your partner to get caught up

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI the true plural of hydra in Greek would be hydrae

[Gamma Emerald]

I Keep Siteflaking has been prodded.

Pine has not responded to his prod. Deadline is paused at 2 days and 4 hours while I search for a replacement.

Yeah. I will probably be siteflaking during from Tuesday to Friday. Zoom school sucks.

Alright. Why is noone wagoned?

This pings me. IKSF returns from a prod and their first thought appears to be where the votes are at.
It also feels quite LAMISTY. I'm not getting a real genuine concerned town vibe.

I don’t see why concern over lack of wagons is scummy tbh? I know there are people who come in and ask about wagons just on principle. I know I have done it as town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Is anyone actually clear? My nimble head tells me that Cmod, Gamma, Johnny, DK are "somewhat conftown"

Me and Dk are actually conftown
CMod and tw are at the point where I’d need a lot of scummy content from them or a very limited PoE for my suspension of disbelief to wane on their conftown status.
Johnny and Noraa (now Tsunami Slayer) haven’t really played their hands in a way I think scum would.
Cakez and IKS have minimal at best reasons to consider them town mechanically.

[Gamma Emerald]

Aint reading DK. Vibes im getting are:
aggressive
self entitled

Matches DK's prev town MO.

Probs town off nosferatu's slot alone.

Yeah that’s the vibe I get from Dk too. Would like if they stopped being so arrogantly headstrong but nothing short of a metaphorical brick to face seems like a strong enough signal to do so.

[Gamma Emerald]

plan changed
can we elim this phase?
I don't care

VOTE: Noraa

baha,

"ill give noraa then benefit of the doubt..." is the vibe i was getting from the "faking story post"

followed by a vote that feels like it was always coming.

alarm bells.

Tbh I think soul raises some good points about how PP and tw have played? I still think mechanically tw is town but this enough to make it so in a 4p scenario of me and Dk, CMod, and tw, I’d probably lean voting tw first

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm so confused by a lot of things

Nos, you're saying you got operated on last night?

So if we count all the actions we believe Doctors did last night:
1) Roomblocked the gym
2) Activated Lab 1
3) Activated Lab 2
4) Operated on Nos
5) Factional attack on Gamma

Thats a lot of scum night actions. I understand ppl have 3 speed, halved = 1 = 1 night action each for most. 1 speedy scum probs.= 4 scum

3 of those are factional I think (operation and factional attack are known, roomblock is supposedly a factional action)
But yeah scum spent 2 out of 3 actions they were allotted that night activating labs. One thing that might prove fruitful is checking who claims to have visited gym N1. I expect it won’t since we have 2 flipped scum and iirc they both claimed to visit the gym, but maybe that’s incorrect, in which case checking who claimed that is important

[Gamma Emerald]

Fun and games is my current strongest SR

pick someone else this is never happening today

I've been telling you guys about F&G for several days now. Let's do this.

VOTE: Fun & Games

really dislike this we need to stick on Bingle or something that will actually happen within the next day

I could go back to Chara also. Nothing about their entrance struck me as town.

This phrasing sounds like a scum mindset.

Reads like a weak offer to vote for their scumbuddy for town points. A weak offer that Cake hopes not to be taken up on.

That was my interpretation of Cakez’ voting on Pine/Chara/Lavar D2
It was followed by very little pushing of Lavar D3 in favor of pushing the miselim of F&G

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm impressed you posted pages by yourself

I’ve managed to post entire pages of catch up posting myself (though I do tend to dial down when I start doing so unless others are posting at the same time, so I don’t feel like I’m rambling). Why does soul doing it surprise you?

[Gamma Emerald]

I literally basically told 72 like nothing and he managed to figure out that ABR was scum. impressive considering I always thought that slot was town :/

-tsunami

Honestly it seems like 72/soul is just that good, because his critiques on Cakez match mine, and his points on PP/tw resonate with me despite me not thinking tw is scum rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll claim all my actions now. I want EVERYONE else to do the same. Nows the time to do it and btw if you are scum, I will be checking your Iso so make tf sure that they match up.

N0- explored and found gym
N1- went to gym, room was blocked
N2- went to gym, speed is now 4
N3- stole necklace(increase one knowledge) and explored and found the Albert lab
N4- attempted to destroy carl lab, failed, and explored and found the fountain of youth(increases two stats), but destroyed the fountain

-tsunami

This is a surprising turnaround, not one I find troublesome mind you but you were pretty hung up on claiming actions before.

Btw me and Dk should WAIT to full claim our actions since we are conftown.

[Gamma Emerald]

Did you get anything for finding the gym?

[Gamma Emerald]

If you got something there should be a notice from when it happened

[Gamma Emerald]

Fun and games is my current strongest SR

pick someone else this is never happening today

I've been telling you guys about F&G for several days now. Let's do this.

VOTE: Fun & Games

really dislike this we need to stick on Bingle or something that will actually happen within the next day

I could go back to Chara also. Nothing about their entrance struck me as town.

This phrasing sounds like a scum mindset.

Reads like a weak offer to vote for their scumbuddy for town points. A weak offer that Cake hopes not to be taken up on.

That was my interpretation of Cakez’ voting on Pine/Chara/Lavar D2
It was followed by very little pushing of Lavar D3 in favor of pushing the miselim of F&G

Yeah but then I killed him the next night

I’d ask if you wouldn’t rather just vote the scum out before they get the chance to do night actions but I already know what you’ll answer.
And killing scum means jack shit when you’re so desperate to hang onto to towncred from killing scum. A wagon doesn’t let you be the hero. You’re essentially trying to pull a Mysterio here I believe.
Don’t ask me to explain what I mean by pulling a Mysterio unless you’re fine with potential movie spoilers.

[Gamma Emerald]

I've already claimed everything in thread scattered around
N0 - I found an event that led to me losing one strength
N1 - I tried to go to the gym and was blocked
N2 - I found my attack item
N3 - I attacked Lavar
N4 - I went to the gym

@Tsunami/Noraa

[Gamma Emerald]

N1 explore, found library
N2 use gym, blocked

That’s N0 and N1
What did PP do N2?

[Gamma Emerald]

It’d be easier if you made the list

[Gamma Emerald]

Can I ask what your career is? and what it allowed you to do?

Although, better for Gamma to decide whether that's an okay question to ask.

I'm only asking so that I can have a complete set of notes on everything

If EVERYONE ELSE thinks worsty should claim career then I’m with them just so we don’t have that sticking out as an outlier, but my personal idea is he should not be forced to claim it
I know what it is, so even if he dies I can still claim it for him

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d prefer CMod attack lab tonight, worsty can train knowledge for his attempt on a lab if one is called for
Since we’re trying to let people become conftown, it makes little sense for existing conftown to attempt to destroy labs at the same time, no? Dk can try to steal items, but I cannot. As such, I’d like to file a request to Dk to be allowed exploration on nights where less than 2 labs exist? I hope it’s clear enough why the stated conditions make this essentially the only option outside of doing nothing.

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cmod gets 2 actions don't forget

This is why I want CMod trying to destroy lab

[Gamma Emerald]

Also you need a FOUR

[Gamma Emerald]

ok so switch out worst and you, and have worst / iks attack eachother, nora uses the item that drains actions to use, johnny steals from nora, and uhhh gamma visits library to boost stats?(not sure if gamma has visited yet)

I visited library N1 and Gym N3

[Gamma Emerald]

yes actually ppl really would love to policy you

i would love to policy elim tsuraa

I don’t

[Gamma Emerald]

I have thoughts I might want to share but not rn
Don’t wait on me for this tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Just wanna check 1 thing before hammer is dropped

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So uh giving items resolves at the end of the night jsyk

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok
Anyway, proceed as you will

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanna play with 72 in a fresh game now tbh

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I’m just astonished tw read The Thing Mafia or did something to figure out MoI’s role in that

[Gamma Emerald]

that's all i ask for - ty

I wanna play with 72 in a fresh game now tbh

me too tbh she's sold him alarmingly well
also aussie scummer hype

72 hasn’t exactly been a let down in how he’s played either

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It gives +2 to attacks but has a debuff when using which I do not want to reveal
Whoever I give it to can confirm that the debuff should not be revealed

Yeah it’s a pretty spooky debuff

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Hammer away folks

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Wouldn’t be able to do that until D6 anyway

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He’s still got like 11 hours

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Okay looking at IKS posting today he really seems like cornered scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d be down to yeet IKS since he’s in the same bracket as Cakez mechanically and has a much worse showing this day phase

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t care too much
What do you think IKS claiming actions will do to aid the mech puzzle?

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IKS is hammered, I just counted it

I’m going to explore tonight, if an event somehow hecks me up, please leave Tsunami until last in the PoE

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Have you visited library? If not I’d suggest that for your second action

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Well looks like my gambit pile-up never came into play lol

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So had IKS not been the final doctor I had a plan in place that would a) keep Noraa from being sniped and b) potentially clear Noraa of being lone doctor

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Noraa actually is able to like townier as scum lol

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Game had to be 4 scum or less after D3 lol

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I really wanna play a round of Betrayal now btw

[Gamma Emerald]

Bungle how do you rate Dk’s mech play attempts

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I still feel ABR did a tactical replace out here

I still feel ABR did a tactical replace out here

I reported him :shrug:
Idk if anything came of it tho

I was sick of playing for a week and was planning on basically prod dodging for the rest of the game so I decided instead to replace out for my own mental health.

It was not a pleasant mafia pt as you will read.

Understandable. I was considering reporting recently but wanted to know more before doing so

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What rule?

Tactical replace-outs (under the umbrella of playing to win)
I wanted to give you a chance to mention the logic behind it first. I believe in due process.

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i actually dont check playerlists before replacing into games.

You should NOT be doing this if you intend to maintain a blacklist. The use of a blacklist carries the responsibility to maintain it yourself. I recall in one game RadiantCowbells replaced in when Mathblade, whom he had blacklisted, was already in it. That caused a lot of drama that could have been avoided with a little vigilance.

Though it seems your entire personality is built around being ignorant, with how you refused to read the OP for so long.

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Subject: Stop getting banned

- If you replace out of a game because you do not like your alignment, this is you tactically replacing out. This is not playing mafia to win, this is tactically replacing out of a game. This is against the rules.

This is where I’m getting the connection between tactical replace-outs and playing to win.

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I second PP’s comment towards Dk
It doesn’t matter how right you were, people won’t listen to you if you’re a dick about it. RadiantCowbells is an excellent example of that.

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I think 4 scum is the best option for balance, 5 scum starts to drown out the town in the day phase

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do you have tts?

Idk how text-to-speech has to do with the game

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Can I get it on mobile or chromebook?

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I’ve also seen it run in mish mash

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mechanics
- should stats be private?

I think so, but I can’t tell what this would really do until it’s tested.

- should the sender of items be private?

Don’t really care, but if this is implemented Carrier Pigeon can’t be re-used as-is.

- should you not receive the identity of your attacker?

Yes. I think this is fine with other re-balances. However, I think hidden attacks shouldn’t be a scum-only thing, because doctor attacks became a critical part of forming the PoE I feel.

- should you not receive the results of your own actions?

Yes. I don’t see the harm outside of lab destruction rolls.

- which dice roll(s) should you see the results of, if any?

No. Despite it being nice to know, it doesn’t break anything probably. Can be left alone.

- should rooms be harder to find or have a different distribution?

Yes. Balancing Item and Event rooms better is probably a good idea. RNG also did not favor permanent rooms.

- should actions be unlimited or set to a different threshold?

No. I think the existing threshold worked, though Speed became a partial dump stat at times.

- should stats have a different scale/limit?

No. I don’t see anything that would significantly improve the function of the game.

- do stats need to be easier or harder to change?

Neither. Don’t see what that would accomplish.

- were items too overpowered?

Yes. Partly because of the number of them, though.

- should the number of players be adjusted (eg 3v8)?

Probably. If large game size is an option, I’d take a 16p game with 5 scum, or if going for a micro 8 players with 2 scum works, and has a better board-gamey feel.

Haunt balance
- were labs too easy to destroy?

No. They honestly felt a mite hard to destroy.

- should scum have been able to destroy them in order to prevent confirmability?

Yes. Among Us had impostors unable to fix sabotages, but had to change it because it was too strong a tool.

- should the distribution of labs have been higher?

No. We already had one a night almost, anything more would have become a challenge to keep under control.

- should the labs have been less difficult to activate?

Yes. The fact the roll required got higher for scum’s successes but not lower for town’s meant scum would have needed super-high Knowledge to activate labs if pushing for a lab win.

- should doctors have had additional factional night actions? what type (ie extra attacks, extra lab activation, extra open actions for whatever they want, or some combination of those)?

In general, the factional attack should be buffed in some way. I’d suggest having a flat +2 for the factional attack roll. That helps make it feel like a proper nightkill. The point of certain roll criteria felt like the success value was intended to be reached with all 1s rolled by the player. With the bonus damage stated, all 1s will do five damage before defenses, killing anyone who completely flubs their defense roll. Within this specific Haunt, I think a factional activation would have been a good idea to implement. I would probably have made it limited use though (3 uses feels fair).

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- should actions be unlimited or set to a different threshold?
Whilst I personally quite liked the system you had, it does lead to the obvious problem of leashing night actions, a good way of combating this is to have it as a dice role, start the game with 1 dice roll, if you roll a 0 then you must explore or visit a public room, if you roll anything higher than you have the option of what you wish to do with the number you rolled=the number of actions. And then have rooms/events/items allow for more dice to roll.
Within this system you could say that like how scum don't have to do events, they have a bit more power over their rolls here, maybe a 0 roll for them still gives them the option to do what they want but just 1 action.

I actually think this is approaching a good idea. I’d assume this dice roll uses the speed stat, I’d propose a 0 means the player is stuck with interacting with the “revealed” parts of the House (interacting with permanent rooms and labs), and every pair of numbers past that grants a full set of actions with the normal action rules. So 1-2 grants one action, 3-4 grants two actions, and so on, and the one attack/steal per turn remains in effect. I’d maybe suggest some Events also cause turns to abruptly stop, but that would probably be hard to figure out, and also seems cruel.

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they probably could have, but in general mafia games scum don't really ever attack themselves

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number one rule of fair (non-bastard) game design: don't allow scum to become conftown in a way town could NEVER anticipate (so if they're allowed to do X anti-wincon thing and it might "conftown" them if they do it, the mod should be upfront about the possibility if asked).

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Agreed. I'd always tell players in my games that scum could target each other with night kills if they asked.

This is also why GF is non-normal. While being counterable, it’s too much of an advantage to be cop-cleared as scum if not operating with that proper paranoia level. It’s comparable to a move or strategy in a competitive game being banned despite counters existing if the counter requires specific action to implement that counter rather than being something that can naturally happen in what the opponent does. I was privy to a few of these calls when I was consistently active in Pokemon Showdown battles, especially when I tried to play OU and Monotype. I didn’t really participate in the decision making but via reading the rulings I got to see the in-depth process of deciding what was so broken it had to be banned.

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I thought the whole game that the worst was taunting us and openly trolling as scum knowing that they were on a path to win and i was hella paranoid of that.

that's correct except I was taunting the scum!
just a strange person + fishin for deepwolves

Pretty much my move was just to ignore it until I started to sense real malicious intent. If we’d PoE’d down to tw’s bracket and he was still being cocky he would have become the primary elimination target.

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Subject: Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I - Mafia PT

I'm going to be the hitman for the factional kill basically, since I can use my +1 dice on attack for the factional attack.

man we were kinda right on the money with this one too ^

Dude told a good lie about it though, made me damn skeptical of why I wasn’t getting mangled.