Open 797: Bus Service [Game Over]

[shellyc]

yess well we just try and claim spread-out targets

how about hypoclaiming cop only?

-shelly

[shellyc]

Shelly, do you try and pocket people as town?

- JV

i wouldn't use the word pocket but im liberal with TRs (and SRs) as town, so it can be perceived as pocketing.
-shelly

[shellyc]

Also how the heck is Johnny confirmed scum in your eyes this early, I've only ever seen you this confident as scum in the large normal just closed. Also wouldn't scum try and justify their unvote if they were trying to feign re-evaluation to protect their sweet hide.

nahhhhh im more confident as town now because my accuracy in reads is actually improving

overjustification is a scumtell
-S

[shellyc]

redados is replacing out, I'll be playing on my main

[shellyc]

minivirgo is obvscum for saying basically what I said earlier about Giant Pachyderm being mis-elim bait, and then casing/voting them for.......being mis-elim bait I guess. I asked for an explanation on why we were voting for BE and the closest to a response I got was that and it felt like scummy content/timing

JV is making a wrong push but its not a bad push and im ?????? on how you got here

[shellyc]

Would this be AI of sorts, I'm not sure of their meta or if they even have one.

its AI
we don't need meta to read people
this is scum!AI
it's discrediting townies

[shellyc]

- Acts OMGUS'y as all heck as a scum-tell.
- Thinks their SR is absolute and there's no way they can be wrong, similar to how they feigned confidence in the large normal.
- Continued to copy and pocket the living daylights out of me when I TR'd them.

- OMGUS = towntell for me, because I am self-aware as scum
- Has confidence in their SRs for a good reason and articulating my thoughts
- copied JV as a meme and TR'd JV for good logic

response

[shellyc]

It's fucking weak as hell

- JV

omgus isn't scum indicative
i might be projecting but this is omgus and NAI

[shellyc]

You copied my question first, which was highly likely not a meme. The second time was likely to cover your hide as scum to push for it to be a meme, not sure what that would be as town because that's one messed up meme.

yeah it was a meme

[shellyc]

what is this buzzword obsession that omgus = scum or anti

also I never admitted to omgussing

[shellyc]

I find it hard to believe that both heads of the hydra lulvoted the exact same person.

no it was same head

[shellyc]

Claimed that they OMGUS as town only, never as mafia which is a lie. Then to back up their logic they are forced to say that they don't SR me for OMGUS in the most awkward way possible and then lied saying they never admitted to OMGUSing

yeah i omgus as scum but I didn't say that, I said it wasn't scum!AI

mini all your points are basically indicating that im am really bad at playing town

[shellyc]

Town shouldn't be thinking fun things that happen as scum. I'm thinking that's a possible perspective slip from scum!shelly.

i think of fun things that happen as scum because i hate playing town

[shellyc]

johnny TR'd me before and now sheeps JV's read opportunistically, johnny just went up another notch on my scumdar
im still SRing Professor Mafia rather hard

Professor Mafia when you come back i want you to give me a full readslist

[shellyc]

minivirgo is scum-casing on bait and won't let go of a perceived easy elimination, zzz

shellyc is NOT bait.

if you say that you clearly don't know my towngame

im terrible at obvtowning

[shellyc]

has professor mafia dipped after yessiree's pressure on them

that's quite weird

[shellyc]

VOTE: Professor Mafia

shelly why are we voting for professor mafia?

read the iso

hedging bets, undeveloped reads, weird trajectories

[shellyc]

Jacko pls, I think shelly is town here being mislaunched day 1 as town!her usually is. I don't understand why you don't also see this.
Her play here is light and day from her scum game in more than a few ways:

• She is more wordy and wishy-washy
  
• She is less abrasive and blunt
  
• She is not pushing people for terrible reasons
  
• She is not doing obviously fake reaction tests
  
• She has not lied about anything

welcome hectic

thanks for the WK

[shellyc]

redados posted some, then he didn't, and then he left.

I'm asking shelly why that's the case.

its not AI, redados is "busy IRL and has lost the motivation for forum mafia"

I wish him well

[shellyc]

nandor is close to locktown imo, this is really proactive questioning and poking

johnny/prof maf/derp?

[shellyc]

fine im doing PBPA

Big Elephant is sounding increasingly scummy, I think the TR on MiniVirgo is a deep pocket, and they're just generally agreeing with stuff and throwing out forced reads instead of solving.

I think mech talk is a bad way to TR people fwiw

VOTE: Big Elephant

random SR on me for TRing JV for being more active and solvy and framing it as a "pocket" and SR for making "reads" LOL
second line is treading IIoA

ftr im scumreading johnny's shitpush in their opening so it'd make my day if N_M were to vote there
-shelly

I think you're the one that's shitpushing here. In my opinion, overexplanation is a scumtell and pointing that out is furthering the game.

Does anyone else see what I'm seeing here?

overexplanation it totally a personality tell and furthering the game by making something out of a NAI post is bad

N_M's bold style is pretty town!AI. Scum usually don't go against the grain like that imo.

N_M is playing like a jester, like they usually do. I don't really get why that's a good reason to TR people.

Feels like you're randomly throwing out reads like candies here. Your trajectories to get to a TR are cheap.

shutting down my TR to shade N_M subtly
im also foreign to N_M meta and making reads is again, not scummy

Something about Elephant's reads just ping me the wrong way, I guess the best way to describe it is that it seems pocket.

+1 to this

MWNN's probably town

no reasoning, TRing those who make similar reads to them = lazy reads

big elephant is hardcore omgussing. MWNN/A50 are probably both town

hot take: I have a mild SR on MiniVirgo. Trying to defend A50 sounds a bit like a buddy attempt imo.

i think a lot of scum are inactive

why are MWNN/A50 town???
why is the defense buddying not everything that TRs people = pocketing
why would you assume scum are active, this is prob TMI

at least 1 inactive is prob!scum, big elephant and MiniVirgo contain scum

this game is nearly solved

why does big elephant (me) and MV contain scum

MiniVirgo/Big Elephant contains scum, idk why people call BE "low charisma wagon" that slot is just obtuse and scummy

Derp is rather town imo, tone has been good, A50's playing to their town meta

get Elephant today this will solve the game

shitpushing without explaining the SR on my slot AT ALL and sheeping JV
why is derp town???? and why is the tone good

[shellyc]

in conclusion, a lot of what profmaf is doing is pointing out things and making statements instead of having a real actively scumhunting mindset, a lot of this is pointing fingers vs. trying to solve
a lot of these reads aren't followed up on, and when there's scrutiny on profmafs play, they basically went MIA, and are few hours away from prod

[shellyc]

nandor is close to locktown imo, this is really proactive questioning and poking

also i think scum doesn't come out all guns blazing like that?
nandor/mini/yessireee are almost locktown tier
im like town-ish on A50 now for reasons I will not discuss

[shellyc]

nandor is close to locktown imo, this is really proactive questioning and poking

johnny/prof maf/derp?

hold up shelly u were the chosen one, u called me town earlier for my sexy and pleasant tone and now u came up with a terrible day 1 solve that makes no logical sense

how does it make no sense when prof maf is basically deflecting from derp onto me
yeah but PoE is a wonderful thing and MWNN townier than your slot by a huge margin, your tone is good but your iso is complete filler

[shellyc]

dear derp still believes this is likely to be scum hectic but dear derp is now also good with yeeting shelly for betraying my trust

so you SR everyone that SRs you

this, my friend, is truly omgus.

[shellyc]

hectics push was likely coming from scum!hectic and ure 180 for no reasoning trying to put up a 3 man team is certainly opportunistic and a betrayal of the highest degree as i defended the oversized elephant earlier when people wanted to put it down

do you think i am forced to retaliatorily TR you when you WK me

no. i am not. and I've got the freedom to re-evaluate as I please. You're expecting me to TR you vs. trying to solve my alignment, which is indicative of TMI

[shellyc]

there is scum in {prof mafia, johnny, derp}
there is scum. in {MWNN, A50}

these are my conclusions atm
-S

shelly did not 180 on you, derp. This was from a while ago^

You're also shading her for putting out a team solve on day 1, but she's been putting out team solves for the entire day, and that hasn't bothered you before. It does now that you're in it though.

This OMGUS looks systematic.

VOTE: derp

this just makes nandor +town and derp +scum
this isn't menal, I did a similar progression in one of my towngames that got me misexe'd (town!menal pushed the wagon) and menal is aware not to make a mistake a second time

[shellyc]

shellys progression is bad which initially came across as town but seems to come from an opportunistic perspective

why was it initially towny and now scummy tho?

im SR on you BEFORE I started using this account, I TR'd you earlier for good tone, I re-evaluated by reading your ISO and it has virtually no game advancing content tbh

[shellyc]

if i would just scumread people for voting on me then that would be omgus indeed but i am not and shelly is not voting on me (yet at least)

HURT: derp
HURT: JohnnyFarrar

expressing my SRs on you two

[shellyc]

Mind answering these, shelly?

redados is busy IRL
im confident because i recently deathtunnelled scum

[shellyc]

The ProfMaf cases both suck.

why does it suck tho, i wanna know the why

[shellyc]

johnny what do you think about derp and profmafia

[shellyc]

I would vote either one

isn't your vote on me aorn

can you put your vote to a better use or something. k thanks.

[shellyc]

people should really learn to read the gamestate if they believe poor derp is going to flip red, but innocent derp understands that he is probably going to be yeeted today which is very rude

derp if you're town can you provide a readslist with 1-2 line explanations with everyone

[shellyc]

shellyc [4]: Professor Mafia, Almost50, ManWithNoName, JohnnyFarrar

I'm gonna say professor/johnny 2 scum in those four names, professor mafia is scum for the CW, johnny has virtually no logical progression with the 180 on me

[shellyc]

if these were t/t CWs I would expect competent and active scumteam but considering the lurkers and how firm my TRs are on the rather active players, professor is just prob!scum by VCA

[shellyc]

VOTE: Derp

Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.

[shellyc]

VOTE: Professor Mafia

Should have nuked this scumbucket yesterday

[shellyc]

VOTE: professor mafia

I'm gonna miss poor innocent derp

what is your trajectory on PM

don't you scumread me? so you think I hardbussed that slot?

[shellyc]

I fucking SAID

this also sounds rather lamisty imo.

Elbirn, thoughts on JohnnyFarrar?

[shellyc]

also also I'm in less games now so I'm here to pay attention and catch scum. What's got you so convinced he's scum, shellz?

read the iso and tell me what you think there

what makes you not like their start

imo, the main problem with PM is that they're incredibly shadey and discredity

[shellyc]

as for johnnyfarrar they are a player in this game that much I can say for certain. do you have a more direct question perhaps? prod me into a good direction

yeah. ok challenge 1 sort these names from town -> scum

Professor Mafia
A50
MiniVirgo
MWNN
JohnnyFarrar

[shellyc]

fine im doing PBPA

Big Elephant is sounding increasingly scummy, I think the TR on MiniVirgo is a deep pocket, and they're just generally agreeing with stuff and throwing out forced reads instead of solving.

I think mech talk is a bad way to TR people fwiw

VOTE: Big Elephant

random SR on me for TRing JV for being more active and solvy and framing it as a "pocket" and SR for making "reads" LOL
second line is treading IIoA

ftr im scumreading johnny's shitpush in their opening so it'd make my day if N_M were to vote there
-shelly

I think you're the one that's shitpushing here. In my opinion, overexplanation is a scumtell and pointing that out is furthering the game.

Does anyone else see what I'm seeing here?

overexplanation it totally a personality tell and furthering the game by making something out of a NAI post is bad

N_M's bold style is pretty town!AI. Scum usually don't go against the grain like that imo.

N_M is playing like a jester, like they usually do. I don't really get why that's a good reason to TR people.

Feels like you're randomly throwing out reads like candies here. Your trajectories to get to a TR are cheap.

shutting down my TR to shade N_M subtly
im also foreign to N_M meta and making reads is again, not scummy

Something about Elephant's reads just ping me the wrong way, I guess the best way to describe it is that it seems pocket.

+1 to this

MWNN's probably town

no reasoning, TRing those who make similar reads to them = lazy reads

big elephant is hardcore omgussing. MWNN/A50 are probably both town

hot take: I have a mild SR on MiniVirgo. Trying to defend A50 sounds a bit like a buddy attempt imo.

i think a lot of scum are inactive

why are MWNN/A50 town???
why is the defense buddying not everything that TRs people = pocketing
why would you assume scum are active, this is prob TMI

at least 1 inactive is prob!scum, big elephant and MiniVirgo contain scum

this game is nearly solved

why does big elephant (me) and MV contain scum

MiniVirgo/Big Elephant contains scum, idk why people call BE "low charisma wagon" that slot is just obtuse and scummy

Derp is rather town imo, tone has been good, A50's playing to their town meta

get Elephant today this will solve the game

shitpushing without explaining the SR on my slot AT ALL and sheeping JV
why is derp town???? and why is the tone good

[shellyc]

Instead of engaging me they're saying SHELLY IS OMGUSSING THEY ARE SCUM which indicates no interest in solving my slot and only binning my slot away, indicating that they might already know my alignment

[shellyc]

Cop: Inno on Nandor
Bus Drive: Professor Mafia -> MiniVirgo

[shellyc]

So you'll forgive me I'm new to this, are we claiming what we did/ would have done as driver/cop last night or what we will be doing tonight

what we did

[shellyc]

was that from mini or JV

N_M not claiming is tstbs imo

[shellyc]

Shelly, Faraar can you please give me a read on the other? In detail please if that's alright

johnny is like. my second strongest SR after profmafia. i didn't really like the vote as it was pretty lamisty + they themselves didn't really have a solid take on profmafia in 789 albeit voting profmafia

I explained how they were trying to make something out of nothing with their MWNN thing, and their iso isn't really spicy at all and lacks firm takes

[shellyc]

Also I think it's just them, my vote on them is out of policy because we cannot allow anti-town behaviour and I've generally come to realise that anti-town behavior, even if town, has to go bye bye.

do you townread N_M

[shellyc]

[1] Are you referring to their ProfMafia vote today?

[2] Lack of spicy and firm takes is generally nai and sometimes can be even town!ai as no town should really be confident in their reads unless it's close to rock-solid if you know what I mean?

[1] yes
[2] One thing that absolutely glows town to me is a read that is confident but isn't TMId if you know what I mean
do you think lack of content (I consider takes to be content) is townie then?
content is town!AI and there's almost none from that slot

[shellyc]

look JV sometimes we have differing methods but we return to the same takes which is good

I'll pivot to johnny if you join me since they have been my secondary SR for... quite a while

[shellyc]

This is one post I don't see scum!john and town!shelly as I would imagine scum!johnny just trying to yeet shelly.

I might call them out since they have meta on me, also when I get misguillo'd and flip town, town will look at my reads and point back to johnny/profmaf solve

[shellyc]

I'm most interested in poking Johnny, Elbirn and ProfMaf atm.

elbirn has been pretty unremarkable since they repped in, unlike bingles last few posts which I like because they're giving their thoughts and injecting proactiveness into the gamestate

[shellyc]

elbirns push on JV for apparently posting a lot does not make sense at all

if it's elbirn/professor mafia/johnny I'm gonna sig this after the game

[shellyc]

mini was town reading me yesterday but now they're floating bait like this? nah

I'm +1 to PL of N_M. better to PL now than PL in lylo.

[shellyc]

Consider me poked here. I'm getting bored and I'm not satisfied being the de facto lim today like derp was yesterday. So here's my everybody thoughts (with bonus vote probably)

I've talked about ProfMaf and Shelly

Nandor was poking me yesterday until derp showed up and then he just conveniently forgot I existed until right now. Boring. Not necessarily scummy. I don't really have a way to pressure him right now though. I'd look in his direction if I do end up flipping here today.

Man with no name seems to be ok with innocently sheeping Bingle right now, and while I don't love the laziness Bingle is the right guy to sheep right now so meh.

Bingle looks really good. I like his townread on shelly and he's good at explaining things to me setup-wise.

Who even is Froppy?

I really don't like A50 here. Shelly push yesterday, refuting claims that she's bait, and putting the l-1 vote on derp AFTER being warned about NM lolhammers AND acknowledging the potential for one while voting. And then he just forgets his "lolhammers are a scum claim" position today and ignores NM entirely.

VOTE: A50 if NM is scum here, this is his partner.

Elberin is hard to pin down. Voted mini day one which is like, different? I liked that at the time, but hasn't produced a lot of content since. Some pressure here would be nice as well.

MiniV made waves being smart and outspoken early, which isn't really AI, but I like what they've got to say. Call it gut. Except the scumread on me.

Not Mafia.... My question still stands. Does anyone know what N_M scum looks like? I don't wanna policy lim them but I don't want to just ignore them either.

Hey, policy limming is whack. You knew you were getting a NM game. Has he done anything that shows he's scummy that he doesn't do as town? What does a NM scum game look like?

Why is it whack when they literally acting against towns goals, leaving them alive in lylo is suicide regardless of their alignment because they’ll just speed hammer the first wagon

I guess it just feels a little bit like bullying and a little bit like a waste of time to me

ok guys this is a scumpost. pretty much null on most people except bingle/A50, which isn't a hot take and uses mech = town
preflip assoc on N_M to A50 which can be destroyed once N_M flips town (which is basically 8/11 chance from an uninformed pov)
Johnny scumreads me yet scumreads A50 for scumreading me which is hypocritical.

[shellyc]

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

just sheep me till im wrong, Johnny is a scumslot, professor mafia is a scumslot, elbirn I'm not 100% on but probably third scum

[shellyc]

elbirns whole MV push seems like scum underestimating how TR'd that slot was and basically feels really weakly reasons and deflect considering I've been trying to put spotlight on johnny/prof

[shellyc]

You say you think it's good to PL NM but then like don't

- JV

i mean its fine but I wont be the one to push it

[shellyc]

I'm +1 to PL of N_M. better to PL now than PL in lylo.

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

just sheep me till im wrong, Johnny is a scumslot, professor mafia is a scumslot, elbirn I'm not 100% on but probably third scum

Day 2

- 3v8.

Day 3

- 3v6

Day 5

- 3v4, lylo

If we don't lynch scum, we have literally today or tomorrow to yeet N_M.

- JV

I'm hesitant to want to sheep you shelly, if Johnny turns out to be town then we are somewhat forced to vote N_M and if they turn out to be town then we need to hope that cop and mafia bus didn't interact with each other over the three days.

are you afraid
or do you straight out TR them

[shellyc]

I want to look into Johnny's town play because fence sitting might not be a scum tell for him, I want to discuss mechanics before that just in case something happens so I don't have to waste time.

froppy are you an alt or what and do you have experience with johnny

i really dislike how cautious your play is here
can you read into that iso and tell me what you think?

[shellyc]

My general plan is to PL N_M, and if they flip red, shelly's on the block and if they flip green Johnny's on the block.

Just what is on my mind right now.

- JV

eh it's fine I guess except there's not much value for scum!me to preserve scum!NM if you think of it that way

re: froppy i want you to consider my world instead of like. deflecting towards something else yet not stating what that something else is

[shellyc]

EBWOP: re: froppy i want you to consider my world or tell me what your world is instead of like. deflecting towards something else yet not stating what that something else is

[shellyc]

JV why are you TRing the froppy slot

[shellyc]

I remember them acting like this as town in my game I hosted, I think it was the Hard Boiled game I hosted that they were in and they're just replaced in more or less.

so cautiousness = personality for them?

ehhhhh I'm gonna take a look at that game later

[shellyc]

MWNN what do you think about the elbirn slot rn

[shellyc]

How does everyone feel about hypclaiming the dead one as green? We have two slots that I have done that, if I recall correctly.

exposes a higher chance of not cop since hypoclaiming on a living target can easily backfire

[shellyc]

Yo dog I said I was unwilling to vote you like 3 posts prior. And this sheep me til I'm wrong nonsense doesn't work, you were already wrong on derp.

derp was like a consensus SR i was pushing you/prof maf for half the day

you clearly show hostility/shade towards me yet do not scumread me which is a form of discrediting

its elbirn/profmaf/johnny
I've seen the light

[shellyc]

Elbirn is probtown, im sure someone is better at reading him than I so

I would put mini, nandor, shelly, and maybe mccree in obvtown tier

Had a50 in locktown before but unsure now

Eh, yessiree did say this though. Had Elbirn as probtown.

Was focusing on Johnny and Prof as scum yesterday, which make me a little more inclined to launch there instead.

ok join me and minivirgo on johnny k thanks

[shellyc]

ok MWNN can be town for now I guess? recent posting was pretty good. also rather sure this is town!nandor

[shellyc]

lol that's exactly my bottom 3 reads right now. would be very convenient but I'm not as optimistic as you.

you only live once

take a shot at things
johnny sussing profmaf yet pulling it out when it matters, profmaf constantly deflecting off onto me and elbirn pushing mini when spotlight was on johnny/prof

this really is a lightbulb moment that I never ever have usually

[shellyc]

Ok where you going when I flip green Shelly? Are those other reads independent of me? Let's figure this out now so you don't drive this town into the ground

eh I don't really see a world where you're actually green but ehhh...

profmaf is pretty scummy independently of you, I think A50 might move up to scumzone

[shellyc]

this is honestly floundering/flailing imo.

its really lamisty

[shellyc]

nandor lets go kill johnny slot

N_M's play is really bold overall. i think there's a certain noncompliance or something towards the general opinion.
nandors thoughts just vibe with my own, MWNN is townspewing with this push, I don't see johnny!town anymore imo, if johnny flips red and I get nightkilled take a look at my solve

[shellyc]

This has legit never happened to me, I'm frustrated.

beeeeeeeeeep

Appeal to Emotion.

[shellyc]

What is going on with your read on shelly, Johnny? You were okay with voting her out yesterday, and I can't find any progression in your ISO which led to her rising to your 3rd top town.

oh johnny prob forgets to track their stance on me

johnny said today that they were thinking scum me in 834 clearly or discrediting me

[shellyc]

I'm not laying down and dying here Shelly, keep throwing buzzwords all you want.

@Nandor I thought she and red let slip a derp partner connection with that double vote, but derp want anyone's partner so

lol I already explained it was from same head and my rvs vote was at minivirgo but conspiracy theory all you like

[shellyc]

im heading to bed y'all better finish this off. johnnys really floundery here and no way 929 is a townpost

the way they randomly start attacking profmaf really feels like bussing as well

[shellyc]

The lack of desire from people to go Elbirn despite the fact he hasn't done enough to warrant being ignored makes me feel uneasy.

elbirn is also in my solve I'll join you if johnny becomes stale i guess

[shellyc]

ok im peacing out its midnight see you all tmr i guess

nandor reread profmaf and tell me what you think

[shellyc]

also pagetop

[shellyc]

I searched deep in Professor's scarce ISO, and this is scum-indicative. He has scumreads on MiniVirgo and Big Elephant at this time, but also thinks "a lot" of scum are inactive... that doesn't really add up, you'd think that'd be the case if you didn't have any good scumreads in the active players. Might just be a random take he's thrown out.

ok have faith in me I have solved this game

N_M takes over if any of them flip green btw

[shellyc]

if johnny actually is green we get to flip red!N_M

A50s solve is vibing with my own
nandor did my exercise quite well

[shellyc]

I'm actually fairly confident that its Johhny so I'm giving intent, he's right he really only gets scum read when he is scum...

weren't you scared of my master solve yesterday

[shellyc]

anyways if N_M lolhammers this and I die tonight; remember the answer to this game is prob just

Johnny/Prof/Elbirn

[shellyc]

Can you slightly elaborate on your findings there

[shellyc]

Or we could PL NM and then go from there, doing it tomorrow leaves not enough wiggleroom

From JV. They’re negative utility to keep alive anywhere near lylo where they can speed hammer when we need to discuss.

JV i actually kinda think NM is town here
The play here is quite bold with the no hypoclaim and the hammmer

[shellyc]

Ugh jv if you want policy then do it

[shellyc]

Like I’m confident in the answer but I don’t want people lolhammering in LyLo.

[shellyc]

@shelly, what was your current solve by the way? I think I've got our solve (our as in mini and myself) but I'd rather keep it close to my chest for the moment.

- JV

Why would you keep it close?

Elbirn professor mafia Johnny

[shellyc]

Kill elbirn camp lets go

[shellyc]

VOTE: elbirn

Of course I see what you see, jacko
Also where’s mini? Haven’t seen them in a bit

[shellyc]

WELCOME NORAAAAAAAAAAAAA AND TSWIFT

SORRY YOUR SLOT IS SCUM WITH JOHNNY AND PROFMAFIA

I SOLVED THIS FUCKING GAME BRO

[shellyc]

everyone sheep me until im wrong

i really see the light here elbirn flips scum either way and sets us up for a second johnny flip tmr

VOTE: Swizzle pop

[shellyc]

oh and profmafia still lurking

@mod can we prod them

k thanks

oh and also when this flips red if you all want to go flip N_M go for it

either way its the safest flip, the best flip, and this will probably flip red

elbirns iso is like. totally lackluster, pushing against MV for random reasons and deflecting off profmafia/johnny trains, no thoughts injected into the game unlike bingle

[shellyc]

both the hydra and johnnyfarrar are ellitelling btw

[shellyc]

ok theres one chance i like both these people.

are you town?

[shellyc]

gamestate is that there are two prevailing solves.

you/me/N_M or you/johnny/profmaf.

better get ready to claim.

[shellyc]

hi im here. i read a little bit of the first few pages. got townpings from shelly and yessiree for mechtalk, but mini seemed sketchy in the conversation. shelly and yessiree seemed genuine and pushing pro-town agendas, while mini seemed to be pushing something that sounded good and would make scum's lives easier. i dont know what you went with but it seems that town should busdrive in the scum to town range to fuck with the night kill and cop should check in the nulls to minimize odds of getting busdriven.

ah, your pred was obsessed with MV scum as well.

sorry that slot just screams town
scum!JV is a lot more conservative and less high energy

[shellyc]

why do you think im pushing a protown agenda along with yesiree? who flipped btw

1039 seems a very vague post

[shellyc]

your pred was weird af and deflected randomly onto mini who is rather obvious town and for weak reasoning such as "posting a lot of fluff" when they clearly are posting content, and also due to a johnny/profmaf/elbirn team working really well imo.

the shelly/N_M is due to my slight resistance of pushing for a N_M policy elim but I wanna flip surefire scum instead of policy, we have room for policy tmr when your slot flips red

[shellyc]

oh and also you should hypoclaim your cop and BD target seeing as your pred didn't do so.

[shellyc]

theres nothing much of a highlight reel in this game, its not the most exciting lol

N_M is N_M
I'm obvtown
A50 has been playing to town meta so far (?) and is on board with my solve
bingle has been protown and giving their takes often and also having a really solvey tone since they repped in imo
derp was the d1 elim
froppy is null and hasn't said much at all
johnny is a scumbucket for flailing basically and having inconsistent and unexplained trajectories
MWNN is townlean because of poe and how they vibe together with A50
MV is rather obvious town as explained, proactivity to further the game with their reads and mech, spent time to make a master plan to try catch scum!me, really fleshed out reads
profmaf is a lurker who only knows to omgus me and doesn't explain any of their thoughts in detail or elaborate on anythin
yessireee was my only supporter on profmaf and died n1

[shellyc]

this is a lie. I saw a game a while back where Jacko had 1000+ posts and won the game as scum

energy =! activity

some scum shitpost a lot but arent actually spiritually interested in solving or furthering the game

[shellyc]

that would be an interesting change from the norm.
-sw

actually in fairness I'm not getting UTRd really?

i got pushed to E-2 yesterday and now nka's rather clearing of me + I'm getting people to sheep me on my solve

[shellyc]

theres nothing much of a highlight reel in this game, its not the most exciting lol

N_M is N_M
I'm obvtown
A50 has been playing to town meta so far (?) and is on board with my solve
bingle has been protown and giving their takes often and also having a really solvey tone since they repped in imo
derp was the d1 elim
froppy is null and hasn't said much at all
johnny is a scumbucket for flailing basically and having inconsistent and unexplained trajectories
MWNN is townlean because of poe and how they vibe together with A50
MV is rather obvious town as explained, proactivity to further the game with their reads and mech, spent time to make a master plan to try catch scum!me, really fleshed out reads
profmaf is a lurker who only knows to omgus me and doesn't explain any of their thoughts in detail or elaborate on anythin
yessireee was my only supporter on profmaf and died n1

who pushed the wagon? from what ive seen derp is a gimmick alt where the gimmick makes it LHF?
-s

its dear derp not derp and they were like. the consensus SR. not my top SR at any point, and many peoples uh secondary SR.

[shellyc]

shellyc [4]: Professor Mafia, Almost50, ManWithNoName, JohnnyFarrar
Professor Mafia [3]: shellyc, yessiree, Elbirn
Nandor the Relentless [2]: Not_Mafia, derp
derp [2]: MiniVirgo, Nandor the Relentless
Almost50 [0]:
JohnnyFarrar 0]:
MiniVirgo [0]:
Not_Mafia [0]:
yessiree [0]:
Elbirn [0]:
ManWithNoName [0]:
Bingle [0]:
Froppy [0]:

Not Voting [1]: Froppy

probably most useful VC on D1

[shellyc]

i got pushed to E-2 yesterday and now nka's rather clearing of me + I'm getting people to sheep me on my solve

im assuming that its not you that says NKA clears you, right?
-sen

bingle brought that up first

[shellyc]

Also, shelly if ur so convinced we are scum, why do I feel like you are just trying to pocket us will all this ... IIoa or whatever?

plus based on your descriptions and stuff, it literally just sounds like our predecessor was a juicy LHF.

-Noraabear

lol which line is pocket?

I'm helping you to understand the game so I can re-evaluate you

[shellyc]

gunna get to that when im off work, im heading off for a bit

[shellyc]

yessireee was my only supporter on profmaf and died n1

doesnt this somewhat clear profmaf? isnt profmaf in one of the solves? why?

i pushed profmaf together with yessiree

yes died

[shellyc]

i did read through our predecessor's iso and... i do see why we are on L-2, but isnt it at least half personality rather than actual play? why would scum be so openly hostile and disagreeable?

you probably know that scum can be openly hostile and disagreeable

I played extremely disagreeable scum in a recent mini normal that {tswift, JV, hectic} played in.

[shellyc]

oh and noraa as well

im referring to bats

[shellyc]

Noraa can give us a new outlook on their slot.

noraa is deadly good at scum and swizzle is pretty good as well so eh

[shellyc]

this feels like a 6p more

swizzy pop can you give us a readslist asap

[shellyc]

so shelly being obvtown isnt consensus then?

altslip x 1

[shellyc]

VOTE: Johnny

I'd rather find out which one it is rather than killing a policy

can you pls compromise on elbirn
we can get johnny tmr as they're in my solve as well but elbirn is like. more consensus scum than johnny 100%

[shellyc]

is senpa noraa or swizzy

[shellyc]

lol can we all compromise on johnny?

MV I think I actually see what you see

[shellyc]

As a consolidation vote, I am either voting Johnny or N_M today. My preference is the latter but the former doesn't pain me to do either.

VOTE: Johnny

I'll selfvote if this is green tbh
nothing but fluff and no engagement with the current gamestate at least taylor is tryharding

[shellyc]

are we only hypoclaiming our bus or also our cop action?

both

[shellyc]

IT"S A LOT TO READ AND I"M AT WORK SHELLY gosh

ok fine I'll stop spamming read the thread when youre off work.

[shellyc]

Mini can't really move right now, she'll post when she can

sorry to hear that mini!

feelslikeA50isalazyjohnnydeflect
johnny hasn't talked about A50 at all and here they are pushing there.

[shellyc]

will you join in my crusade yet MV come on

1160 is really scummy post
trying to defuse townblock + lazy deflect.

[shellyc]

swizzle pops entrance is rather obviously town

imo, big elephant still scum, I'm on board with the scum!MV bits, they seem to constantly post but they arent really providing a lot of useful content and much of what they're saying is either common sense like policying N_M and also synthesizing shellyc's thoughts on johnny/elbirn.

VOTE: MiniVirgo

Prof's 2 scumreads here are pretty anti-concensus which is town-indicative for most scum.

You missed my earlier question, Prof.

Also, could you explain my shelly's still scum?

yes but that's simply because our consensus is right.

[shellyc]

how many do we have on johnny aorn

{A50, nandor, froppy, me, possibly JV}

N_M will lolhammer i guess
if this slot flips green def go for tayloraa and possible PL on N_M

[shellyc]

*if this slot flips RED def go for tayloraa and possible PL on N_M

nandor profmaf is really surface level imo. which is a scumtell here. throwing takes for the sake of it.

[shellyc]

hmm personally i think NM can be used as a compromise lunch if we really cant figure out what we wanna do, but is low info and doesnt advance the game. i'd rather leave NM alone if possible. its ok as a placeholder vote but i think we can do better.

this is so fence-sitty

swizzle is still scum despite [redacted] imo, thinking about [redacted] there's a possibility where swizzys scum
basically whats swizzy has done after entering the game is fence-sit on everything

[shellyc]

could someone walk me through the johnny wagon?

-t bird

johnny has consistently failed to provide engagement, is flailing when pressure was applied and none of their responses come from town at all imo

[shellyc]

hmm ok i mean it seems scummy from johnny but seems like a weak case for L-2.

again, fence-sitting

this also makes me really confident about my swizzle/johnny/profmaf solve

[shellyc]

I don't know if I would be that quick to give shelly a townpass. it ends up kicking ass if ur wrong. Last game I was in with her, she fooled me big time.

-Noraabear

don't we only roll s/s together ever lol

[shellyc]

swizzy also seems to be pushing a weaker/lower activity townie and trying to get an miselim on there (froppy)

metareads cant really be completely fleshed out

[shellyc]

profmafs being a lurksack, obtuse and blunt towards everything, independently scummy outside johnnys align as well

[shellyc]

we've stated a few townreads. i think its ok to wait to pass judgement until we have a bit of info. its not like we arent engaging and sorting. we just havent made up our minds about some things yet.
-quick

noraa or tswift?
i think poking at lurkers and asking about johnny when its clearly explained isn't really "sorting", and your TRs are pretty much the UTRs

not directly related but both of your playstyles are so naturally scummy I'm actually really interested in how this hydra will play out

[shellyc]

could someone walk me through the johnny wagon?

-t bird

johnny has consistently failed to provide engagement, is flailing when pressure was applied and none of their responses come from town at all imo

why is that AI? what responses in particular were scummy?

can you read them and make up your mind?
that's ai because I've seen town!johnny, this isn't town!johnny.

[shellyc]

928 probably start of johnny flailing

[shellyc]

swizzy also seems to be pushing a weaker/lower activity townie and trying to get an miselim on there (froppy)

metareads cant really be completely fleshed out

i did spend a while trying to sort froppy. we didnt even vote froppy though. froppy is a scumread for me personally, but the lack of momentum from other people after that back-and-forth is making me question my read.
-tub of lard

yeah but you didn't really get a direct answer didn't you?
there's also [redacted] indicating town!froppy.

[shellyc]

froppy

im not conftown at all, and imo froppy is doing a decent amount of solving re: johnny and froppy isn't the type to bus after skimming their scumgames

[shellyc]

i love this profmaf vote ngl was going to tell y'all to pivot but you already did yay

the l-1 is really artificial and considering from profmafs pov shellyc has been professor's SR why are you intenting your SRs wagon

[shellyc]

re: swizzle not based on ongoing games, but something interesting I've noticed.

pedit: I don't believe a word of that bs and want to hammer now but we're prob not ready to end the day

[shellyc]

froppy

im not conftown at all, and imo froppy is doing a decent amount of solving re: johnny and froppy isn't the type to bus after skimming their scumgames

Ok and how's that make froppy town? it just seems like you are pocketing froppy honestly.

-Noraabear

do you think having a solvey tone isn't alignment indicative?

[shellyc]

weren't you happy with the last wagon too? why are you happy that we're pivoting now given you didnt actually join the wagon? hmm

i tunnelled that slot d1

[shellyc]

not counterclaiming

[shellyc]

ok first choice johnny, second choice N_M, third choice t-swizzle
johnny: because that's literally a scumbucket, although busy but when they're here the play is really floundery and makes no sense as a town defense, it's scum bravado.
N_M should be policyed especially if that claim is actually real
t-swizzle seems really shadey in terms of play and trying to discredit all my reads (like on froppy) which is weird imo, her pred was scummy as well

[shellyc]

Actually no, I hate how they always say they see a scum-team but dead ass focus on one of them and have to be literally bombarded by seven whole trucks in order for her to budge onto another.

yeah I'm pretty stubborn

[shellyc]

no daystart pm bad mod

I'm literally townspewed, scum!Professor Mafia bussing scum!shelly and vice versa is some real double-decker, and totally impossible.
--
ftr, the solve is still swizzle/johnny. johnny has been having a weird trajectory with profmaf in where there is some distancing but when it matters johnny never put pressure on profmaf (before the cc) and instead chose to vote me mid-of-d1

Swizzle has been very shadey with most of their pushes and often elect to discredit my TRs (like froppy) and there's a weird general lack of TRs there. Swizzle also completely didn't mention profmaf slot before the cc war. in 1337 Noraa wants to go MWNN instead of johnny which makes sense with their meta considering they hate being lonely and play lone scum. The final profmaf vote didn't really make sense with their earlier trajectory of "yeet MWNN" either.

Swizzle/johnny is also a good fit with them seldom mentioning each other. When swizzle repped in, they kept enquiring about the johnny wagon, and tried to discredit my pushes there, which makes sense with taylor disliking bussing.

Hypoclaim cop inno on A50

VOTE: Johnny

[shellyc]

sure

im probably at
shellyc, ManWithNoName
MiniVirgo, Almost50
Nandor the Relentless
Froppy, Not_Mafia
Swizzle
JohnnyFarrar

[shellyc]

Night three was MWNN - SwizzlePop

VOTE: Swizzle

I'm fairly sure scum BD bussed swizzle with N_M, the "elimbait". THIS IS GAME OVER.

[shellyc]

Cop

N3 inno on Froppy

[shellyc]

N2 inno on MWNN
N3 inno on MV

we are not a colorful dust that sparkles

-Look what you made me do

also note that you did not list an N1 result, but real Cop would have their previous results PM'd to them, CONFIRMING swizzle pop as NOT COP.

[shellyc]

Why would shelly kill N_M?

NK analysis is bs to begin with and considering the kill was NM, no matter who is scum, its a weird kill. I'm gunna ISO NM rn to see what it was that made someone kill them.

-noraa the noraabear

no scum would kill N_M

it makes much more sense for scum BD to bus swizzle (last scum) to N_M (a likely cop check and unlikely bus drive from the town BD)

[shellyc]

MV would 100% push for a N_M elim, and MV is probtown, giving scum no motive to kill N_M

no idea why scum would kill them at all. so im thinking the scum BD bussed N_M

[shellyc]

Shelly is scum. Hold up lemme go find that post that I wrote when thread closed

lol do you think gamestate wise I bus both my scum to end up in a terrible position when I can get caught out by cop and my kills switched around freely?

[shellyc]

anyways if N_M lolhammers this and I die tonight; remember the answer to this game is prob just

Johnny/Prof/Elbirn

I think I really fucking solved this game D2

I town lean froppy, because of Johnny interactions
I town lean A50 because of the town block with MWNN

[shellyc]

wait that's gg I think?

UNOFFICIAL VC 4.FINAL

Vote Count

MiniVirgo [0]:

Almost50 [0]:

shellyc [0]:

Nandor the Relentless [0]:

ManWithNoName [0]:

Froppy [0]:

Swizzle Pop [4]: Nandor the Relentless, ManWithNoName, Shellyc, MiniVirgo

(E-0)

Not Voting [7]:

Swizzle Pop, Froppy, Nandor the Relentless, Almost50, ManWithNoName, shellyc, MiniVirgo

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 players to eliminate someone.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2020-11-14 12:00:00).

[shellyc]

*wait that's gg I think if swizzles scum?

[shellyc]

MV you are really great with hammers

[shellyc]

MV should get a Kodak Moment for hammering two scum without realising

Also a lesson for all town to sheep me forever

[shellyc]

I suddenly had a flashforward moment of MV being scum and winning after misyeeting froppy tmr

uh oh

[shellyc]

Scum needs 3 to win btw

I think its actually auto-win if cop outs

[shellyc]

Scum needs 3 to win btw

I think its actually auto-win if cop outs

What benefit does it have if Cop outs, them dying?

giving clears??? there's scum BD but that can be inferred with the knowledge of what MWNN did each night

[shellyc]

Clears aren't full clears

- JV

righty right

then cop should only out if they get guilts I guess

[shellyc]

Cop claiming isn't necessary until tomorrow maybe and the following day definitely. Today is a waste, especially if I just hammered here.

We might not have a tomorrow (:

[shellyc]

If that was hammer. This flips town, it's probably a Froppy into MiniVirgo elims that win the game

MWNN: Votes Swizzle
also MWNN: Swizzle's flipping town

[shellyc]

It would be pretty insane if we actually PoEd all 3 scum on day 2.

Realistically, I think it's Swizzle > Froppy

Almo I've largely thought was town because town!Almo jokes around and is more relaxed/unfiltered, while scum!Almo notably fakes stuff and soemtimes AtEs.

MiniVirgo and shelly are towners.

why am I town

[shellyc]

if this is game over I would like to say I will forever remember this game as my first ever town game getting into the townblock and living till endgame

[shellyc]

Meta is trash

might need to really change my mind on this.

[shellyc]

But I think we hit scum 100% of the time in Swizzle/Froppy/Minivirgo

I think MV is towning it up enough that im confident swizzy into froppy wins the game

[shellyc]

Aww I was wrong on who the Cop was :c

you thought I was cop that had a green on froppy?

or froppy!cop with green on me and swizzle

[shellyc]

(Seriously, though, well done shelly. Your reads were solid AF.)

this is the first moment that I finally legitimately enjoy playing town

[shellyc]

no redactions that empty pt