Open 802: Jungle Oligarchy [Game Over]

[ben dover123]

Welcome Ben, it's good to see you again.

I'm looking forward to your reads.

Hey, glad to see a familiar face!

Rereading soon. I have to figure out this setup for myself.

[ben dover123]

Hm. Can I have a summary of the gamestate rn? I'm currently trying to figure out the game mechanics. I don't know if I have enough time to read through all 29 pages and get my reads into shape with only 2 days left.

[ben dover123]

tldr on game mechanics is there's a metric shitton of scum and we need to kill them

Hm. Can I have a summary of the gamestate rn?

titus and klyne are top wagons and we're probably killing one of them today. whoever is voting for one wagon is being accused of being the other wagon's scumbuddy.

maybe iso those two? iunno.

Yeah, I tried analyzing the setup with a tree diagram, that got screwed up pretty early. As I see it, Mafia and Werewolfs are basically a regular mafia seperated into 2 people: 1 makes a list of who to kill, the other commits the kill.
Alright, I'll look at both of these wagons and see what is going on for myself.

[ben dover123]

God, I probably have to start speedreading. Deadline is approaching fast.

What is this about a galaxii wagon?

[ben dover123]

YEET YEET YEET.

LET'S GO.

The time for analysis is over. Make your final points and get on a wagon people. Not doing so is actively scummy.

Gimme about an hour to finish up my reading and I'll drop a vote. There is a lot of crap down in the early pages that I need to sort out.

[ben dover123]

Quickly posting my thoughts as I approach Page 11

Town
{Me, clidd, MC}
Townlean
{Marashu, Plus, iamausername}
Null
{BM, ORAM, Taly, Klyne, JV}
Scummy
{DV, Titus}
With 5 scum, I'd assume that there might be a crap load of scum in the Null pile, maybe the TL pile too, but the 2 TR's I have are pretty strong ones.

[ben dover123]

It is interesting you like me and clidd but are null on klyne

tbh his tone is towny and he came in with a rather controversial start, something I wouldn't really think would be a thing in multiball, but some of his posts didn't ping as town. tbh he is probably drifting between a tl and a null, but I put him in the null pile to be safe.

You have been basically obvtowning in the earlier pages, and clidd is just good old clidd.

[ben dover123]

Page 20 readlist

Town
{Me, MC, clidd, Klyne}
Townlean
{VP Baltar, DV, iamausername}
Nullish
{Taly, Datisi, The Bulge}
Scumlean
{Plus}
People we can yeet
{Titus, BM}

BM just disappeared off the face of Planet Earth, which I don't quite understand why.
Klyne just went up to one of my TR's. These posts especially give me the mass town vibes:
Post #418 -> Post #426
Plus should be way more paranoid then he is, I don't get why she handed out TR's to username and JV especially so early in the game.
VP started out strong, was a auto townlean right from the beginning.
Bulge's opening is kinda off, but he got a little better after that.
DV's stock definitely improved.
Titus is still scummy from pages 10-20, so she stays in the "People we can yeet" category.

[ben dover123]

Ah, the glorious feeling of reading through all 30 pages of this game. Took me 2 hours smh.
Yeah, after Page 20 people take sides, so the above readlist is basically where my reads sit currently.
I feel safe with MC and clidd, Klyne might be scum but his controversial posting and ramping up everyone just seems a little to out of range.
BM was relatively scummy, and then he got replaced, I'm not sure what to make of his replacement yet but if we can't get anything to work with the Klyne and Titus wagons, then BM and maybe plus are our best options for a quick cfd.

[ben dover123]

Works for me. Who do you prefer out of a Titus/BM yeet?

Mm. I have to look at BM, he was noticeably absent this entire game. Titus, however, hasn't actually been doing much effective work, like I haven't seen her make any interactions other than to push the Klyne wagon, which I am against. The thing is, both the Klyne and Titus wagons are basically locked up rn, I agree that if we need a speedyeet we just look towards BM's slot here.
Plus has been acting weird all game, but I don't know how many people would be up to yeeting him out D1, so...

[ben dover123]

Spoiler: BM's notable posts

i feel like people are ignoring me in this game

This is likely BM's most towny post, I don't think scum want attention in multiball.

I believe ORAM is scum.

VOTE: ORAM

I'm VLA for weekend

This is a wacky progression.

deasvail, i was just thinking about you

deasvail, i was just thinking about you

Should I be concerned?

just stay alert
don't drop your guard
you might get hurt
if i tunnel you hard

welcome to my townblock sunshine

This sounds like a small attempt at pocketing on DV.

And then after he declares V/LA, he just disappears.

Pedit: Both the Titus wagon and the Klyne wagon are viable, but if you wanted to see how people reacted to your speedyeet, then I'd wait a little more. I'm not sure what Datisi was doing with his vote on galaxii...

[ben dover123]

what part of "galaxii did not contribute sqaut two days after replacing in, i think they're scum struggling to produce content, i hated battle mage's posts, and i want to murder that slot" is making you unsure?

:thonk:

It's been 2 days since galaxii replaced in? Damn, I gotta check dates again.

I just didn't see the reasoning in your vote. Nvm it though.

[ben dover123]

The problem is that Plus and galaxii are the swing votes for both Titus and Klyne's wagons, and I definitely don't like those two deciding who is the D1 hang for today. I can say right now that their choice will likely have bad consequences.

VOTE: galaxii

Anyone else want to go this way? We can compromise over this speedyeet, I'm sure.

Pedit: :thonk: I basically missed all of those since I skimmed from Page 20-30.

[ben dover123]

I have some BM meta if any of you want to read:

Best scumgame:
Mini Normal 2130(Scum win)
Notes: 153 posts out of 1572 total posts, survived for scum win.
Mafia PT
Best towngame:
Open 784(Town win)
Notes: 168 posts out of 1327 total posts, survived for town win.

I'll check these out to see scum BM and town BM for myself.

[ben dover123]

BM wagon is boring as shit but Dabbi ain't suggesting that as a mate

VOTE: galaxiii

Datisi isn't suggesting galaxiii's wagon as a partner? Is that what you mean?

[ben dover123]

BM wagon is boring as shit but Dabbi ain't suggesting that as a mate

VOTE: galaxiii

Datisi isn't suggesting galaxiii's wagon as a partner? Is that what you mean?

Yes

We could do VCA now but it would be crappy without galaxii's flip.

galaxii is two i's btw.

[ben dover123]

[ben dover123]

Regarding the current elimination, I am indifferent. He interacted very little with the game to be able to give some information through flip. The departure may have some other external explanation, which is not possible to measure in AI terms.

But, as username commented above, night mechanics are still relevant and perhaps ending the day is better than prolonging discussions that are likely to lead to another stagnation of votes. At least we are going to D2 with something to discuss.

The problem is if we go back to another "Titus vs Klyne" 1v1, Plus and galaxii are the swing votes, which I feel is just not going to end well at all, since Plus doesn't know who to vote and galaxii is just inactive.

I already have stated my SR on the BM/galaxii slot, I agree with MC that this flip will get the game moving at last. We need some more action in here

[ben dover123]

Alright we got ourselves a flip.

[ben dover123]

I'm sure this will make things less stale D2, especially the hitlist will generate some content.
See you guys tomorrow!

[ben dover123]

oh my god smh

[ben dover123]

wolves just cant stop winning

town almost won, i repeat almost
literally off by 1 hang