One Night Stand [Game Over]

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Hi everyone!

VOTE: kanna

I keep thinking "yay I finally get to play with kanna" while forgetting about haunted village.

This will probably be a chill game for me until I end up in Elo and inevitably have to tryhard

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Alisae prob town

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Look I have a pretty isis sig quote too

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how could you support someone who named themselves after a terrorist organization hello?

I'm gonna report you to ISIS I mean Isis

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Spoiler:

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Spoiler: kanna's basement

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woah that's a bit too easy VOTE: Infinity

Have you played with alisae before?

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Spicy take: Alisae is scum.

I felt like the neighborhood comment on page 1 was very open-ended, whereas ali likes to try to take control of the narrative as scum. If there's scum in hopkirk/flavor, based on eir play in relation to the 1v1, e's playing to eir town meta as well.

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You gonna follow up on that or nah infinity?

I was reading up, I think you have the necessary context by now

VOTE: ahsoka

It makes sense that ali would try to adapt this game, but it would be a hell of a smooth transition into a playstyle ali isn't used to if e is scum. E felt at home being relaxed early on which is ++town.

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Yeah are you jealous?

Seriously though, I will admit to exaggerating an early read for reactions. Shocking play, I know.

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I don't have a read on pooky

PEdit: it would probably take some work and have some hiccups. It'd be cool if I was wrong, I know you have a strong scumgame, but to make a new attitude feel smooth takes practice y'know?

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looks you need to wait for a player w/ more content b4 u fake ur next townread infinity

Even if I know I'd do the same thing as town? Man, playing scum sucks.

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I don't hate that take. I think I sacrificed a bit of ability to read you (by signaling to scum!you that you're on the right track) for a bit of ability to get the game going (by saying an early strong read for people to react to). My gut townpinged on that neighbor post more than you'd probably expect, and I have enough faith in my gut that I was sorta just ok outing the read and seeing what happens. It's like, you're not aware of exactly what my gut is looking for there, so I find it pretty unlikely you'd deliver it so easily.

PEdit: lol tweet

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There's no reason to?

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Sure, but there's probably not more likely to be 2+ scum in there than random. Because of modWIFOM, there's probably at least one, but that's not super helpful I think.

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Ooh fun a flavor scumgame.

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Who was discrediting you? Hopkirk?

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Flavor let's make a deal. You don't yell at me and tell me I'm awful for voting you, and I'll approach you in good faith and not tunnel you. Deal?

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Flavor let's make a deal. You don't yell at me and tell me I'm awful for voting you, and I'll approach you in good faith and not tunnel you. Deal?

I only talk about people's playstyles and in game actions. You vote is poor on a scummy level, it's not awful of you.

You made a potentially momentum swinging vote after I had disappeared after the end of my 1v1, and then didn't even understand who was discrediting, so it showed you didn't actually take the time to look at the posts, or you would know, the only people I had really interacted with was Hopkirk, and Alisae was around a little.

I just don't really agree that hopkirk was discrediting you. I wanted to know who you thought was discrediting, because to me it looked like no one.

To be honest, I don't believe that a flavor who is approaching me in good faith thinks that vote is super scummy. I have one completed game with you (maybe more back in the day but idk), and I haven't even talked about the reasons for the vote yet! Maybe I had the right idea of how to approach sorting you (or at least, a reasonable one from town) but I was wrong in this instance. People in this game know that I'm not afraid to push someone who I think is a deepwolf, even if everyone else thinks I'm insane. But pushing you because I got a bad first impression and my only other data is a bunch of NAI OMGUSing is a lot less fun than the back-and-forth that comes with two people really trying to analyze the others' motivations.

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Disagree. It's not always about what they say, it's how they say it.

What are you responding to here?

Honestly most of what hopkirk said read as joking to me. It's kinda hard to tell how much of what hopkirk says is a joke, but you should err on the side of "all of it". I could kinda see 84 as discrediting, but ehh. I read the posts and I came to a tentative conclusion based on it, depending on how you reacted to my vote. You reacted with "either you're scum or you're garbage at reading me" which could come from town but it's hard for me to see because you still haven't asked for my reasons and in any case it's way premature.

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That sucks flavor

Hi uncrowned do you have Thoughts

TM

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Why is flavor town?

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By the way, Infinity, why do I have the feeling that you weren't really trying to figure out Ahsoka's alignment in posts 254 and 259?

It seemed to me that you were more concerned with explaining something that made sense than necessarily promoting an interaction where you could get something AI from Ahsoka.

Really? You don't think that it'd be easier for me to read him if he was approaching/pretending to be approaching my slot in good faith?

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The reason why I voted flavor to begin with is because he seemed to be trying to control the narrative a bit, and I felt that he was trying to look town. Instead of just waiting to see how hopkirk would react to his posting, he made sure to say "Look guys, I'm watching to see how hopkirk reacts to this!" Ali pointed out a similar thing in 131.

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Can you rephrase some of that a bit?

I do know that it's much more difficult to read someone who goes "your vote on me is awful your read on me is awful you're either scum or really bad town". Town can do that too, so if flavor is scum he can hide behind that easily. I was trying to draw him in so we could interact more meaningfully.

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This is also affected by the fact that I just finished a game where I tunneled town whose reaction was basically "your SR on me is so awful that you must be scum". I saw that type of thing developing with flavor, and I didn't want it to happen again.

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I don't really think there's enough info to do an analysis like you're saying? Early on, I like to try to get the game moving, so I come to "conclusions" earlier than I would normally. But I'm still in the sorting process. I hoped that my vote would start an interaction with flavor that would get me a better read on him, but I didn't get as much out of it as I hoped. I often have an easier time analyzing motivations when someone's engaged with me. I definitely don't think it's impossible that he's town here, but my gut said that was the less likely scenario from his entrance, so I wanted to roll with it and see what happens.

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I thought it might work, though maybe I was a bit too hopeful. Like, scum!flavor might see an opportunity to try and pocket me or get me to TR him, and town!flavor might just want to have an honest engagement. I feel like I could possibly tell these apart later, and in any case, the game is much more enjoyable if one of these scenarios occurs.

If I did an analysis of town- and scum-motivation it would be something like:
Town: Flavor thinks hopkirk is scummy and wants to scare him/discourage hopkirk from pushing him. This could also get him good reactions.
Scum: Flavor wants to take control of the narrative and discourage people from pushing him. This could also get him a mislim if he can paint hopkirk's actions badly (assuming hopkirk is town).

I'm not really sure how to logically disentangle these two scenarios, at this point the only thing I have to go on is gut. So I followed my gut and tried to generate more info that I can use to tell them apart.

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Can you rephrase some of that a bit?

I do know that it's much more difficult to read someone who goes "your vote on me is awful your read on me is awful you're either scum or really bad town". Town can do that too, so if flavor is scum he can hide behind that easily. I was trying to draw him in so we could interact more meaningfully.

This wasn't even my reasoning.

I specifically stated that it was the timing of the vote, and the momentum possibility it had when I was away mixed with you not even knowing the context of my posts thus far.

Why would you think scumMe can't interact meaningfully? I did this when you were Detective and I was scum.

Infinity, something's up with you this game

But we established that I did know the context of the posts, I just came to a different conclusion than you did. (I thought hopkirk was joking rather than discrediting you). Yeah my vote could've been opportunistic but that's very weak and you wouldn't be an easy muslim anyway.

I think scum!you can interact meaningfully but it's much more sortable and enjoyable than a tunnel.

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i said the exact same thing was my main problem with FL when we were doing a quick toxic 1v1 earlier and i don't like that you're not bringing me mentioning it up while brining up Ali mentioning it

I swear I went back and looked for it but could only find ali mentioning it, sorry

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Uh, I get that alisae is frustrated and everything, but like

Claiming scum with someone else and conceding for them is not something you're allowed to do right?

You're allowed to replace out if you're not enjoying the setup, it would've been sus but it would've been way better than what happened here

This game was winnable for scum I think

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Real talk, why did y'all quicklim me

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Thanks mena <3

Honestly, I was playing a bit more reserved/calculated because I thought people would recognize me as town eventually. Didn't quite work out lol

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like honestly I really just didn't want to be scum.


I should still be as easy to meta read as I used to be its just as scum now I can play passively and reactively and honestly I probably still suck at scum late game and will be able to be easily figured out in the late game so like honestly like what did this accomplish

Yeah but you need people to recognize which parts of your town game those are and recognize them accurately, which I'm not sure how many people can do? You were my strongest townread this game, and yes it's possible I would've doubted the read later on and whatever but I don't feel confident at all that I can read you after this game.

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yea you did look super different from Royalty :3

And in royalty I looked super different from matrix decipher. I just play differently from game to game depending on game state/mood/plist

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I was a town seeking mason and me/kanna paired on night 1 after we crumbed to each other on page 1.

This makes it so much better! <3 <3

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so the lelo would have been a crossvote btw Alisae and MT with Kanna picking.
hey Kanna, who do you think you'd have picked?

so many things!

so the lelo would have been a crossvote btw Alisae and MT with Kanna picking.
hey Kanna, who do you think you'd have picked?

oof that would've been really tough. ali had a chance to win for sure, i had ali top town even in my super secret readlists. but morning was really town too

i'm so glad we didn't end up in that situation. alisae!!!1!

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If there is a will, there's a way.

Ya I’m sure u can just will the other townie slots that make no sense for them to be scum to vote each other in F4 yep totally.

It's really easy to think you're in a worse position than you are as scum. I was so so confident you were town from the dead thread, and you know better than anyone how to win games despite seeming like you're obvious scum.

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This was a really tough PL to roll scum against, that’s for sure

It was actually a very scary scumteam rand though, in theory.

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<3 everyone

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<3 everyone

I was townreading you too, I thought you played great. Sorry my RVS vite was on you when they quickhammered you

It happens

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Me too kanna <3

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HOW MANY ALTS DO YOU HAVE ANAHIT

I ONLY JUST FOUND OUT YOU’RE ALSO TRQ

How is she ever going to get banned? The mods wouldn't be able to list all her alts!

I hope hopkirk is taking notes for his MD post called "how to meme without getting banned"

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hey, nobody in this game got modkilled despite five of us quoting our role pms then quickly editing them out of our posts. i like to think my guide helped

Funny thing is, people are gonna think you're just memeing so you can tell everyone what you did and you still won't get caught

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Put movie spoilers in spoiler tags please

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I mean on the one hand yes and sorry but on the other hand you have had 17 years to watch it and nothing really spoiler-y has been said so far

What if I wanna watch it now? But yeah I wasn't sure wrt if things being said were spoiler-y so that's fine