Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[Lunar Martian]

first VOTE: datisi

[Lunar Martian]

Elements has my permission to be Town.

[Lunar Martian]

Elements has my permission to be Town.

I agree elements is prob town. What do you think of their read on harumi? Quality/not quality?

I follow the logic, but I think it's probably just genuine dissonance from Harumi more likely than an error caused by Mafia being disingenuous. I'm not sure what to make of Harumi at this point, but I'm not really reading much into that at this point.

[Lunar Martian]

If it makes you feel better I'd be willing to quickhammer someone.

[Lunar Martian]

Duchess is just Town here, no?

[Lunar Martian]

Datisi can be Town.

[Lunar Martian]

who still fos's harumi here?

Me

I think they hard towntold on top of what ive noticed with my initial pings of them with the tell i had mentioned - what makes you scumread them still?

RTP can be Town, too.

[Lunar Martian]

And I think Harumi is Town.

[Lunar Martian]

I'm thinking VPB is Town too.

[Lunar Martian]

I'm thinking VPB is Town too.

[Lunar Martian]

Italiano is Town for now, will evaluate later.

[Lunar Martian]

Green Crayons, Testarossa, andres, Dunnstral, RLotus probably contains 2 scum.

[Lunar Martian]

hey lunar.

was wondering if you had anymore like concrete thoughts and reasoning for your reads?

Yeah, I do.

[Lunar Martian]

Lunar, I'm not sure Datisi is scum here. You want to join me on the dunnstral wagon?

I'm fairly sure he is lurking scum. Dunn is super smart, and knows how to strategic lurk (source: the last time we were scum together). I almost pushed this earlier, but felt like it would have been unfair too early in the game, so I gave him a chance to give me a reads list/impressions of the game.

He didn't do that. He also has conveniently stayed out of really any point of action in this game. Reeks of lurking scum.

@andres - what are your thoughts on IVD?

VOTE: Dunnstral

What made you change your mind on Datisi? I think you are probably just being cautious, but the way you phrased the quoted post sounds a bit awkward and it pinged me. Still think you're Town, especially because you are so confident in saying Andres is Town (I had the same reaction to that post string).

[Lunar Martian]

I don't like that I'm starting to town duchess
UNVOTE:
I like lunar

Why don't you like that you're Townreading Duchess?

[Lunar Martian]

Town: Harumi, Andres, VP Baltar, Duchess
Weak Town: RTP, Datisi, RLotus
Null: Testarossa, Green Crayons, Elements, Dunnstral
On the Scum side of the spectrum: Italiano

[Lunar Martian]

Town: Harumi, Andres, VP Baltar, Duchess
Weak Town: RTP, Datisi, RLotus
Null: Testarossa, Green Crayons, Elements, Dunnstral
On the Scum side of the spectrum: Italiano

What about Italiano changed for you?

I had some trouble sorting between Duchess and Italiano initially because there was too much noise and their fight consisted of really long, boring posts. Other people have made persuasive arguments about Italiano's posting, while Duchess has since done things to Towntell I think. Note that I'm not voting Italiano. It's not a super confident read yet, but that's the direction I'm leaning.

[Lunar Martian]

What made you change your mind on Datisi?

Datisi is sort of in my null pile still. I've seen some glimmers of town there, but he hasn't wowed me yet (or called me scum weirdly), so I have minor suspicions there...but it is almost entirely vibe at this time.

I'm not sure what you mean by changed my mind? I don't remember stating mild suspicions on Datisi before? My take today was mostly to let him play and see how things shake out before I judge too much there, unless something seriously scummy happened...which it hasn't.

Oh I see, it wasn't you voting Datisi but me. OK. My vote was just RVS, I forgot that it was even there. Nevermind.

[Lunar Martian]

so it put him as more towny than any other player here?

Yeah, for me personally. It was the first thing that I felt quite townie about.

GC also felt a bit townie, but the aggression on both sides of that dispute makes me suspicious.

Do you think there is someone here who is very clearly obv town?

me

Sure, except that you're clearly trying very hard to be obvTown, and it detracts from it.

[Lunar Martian]

so it put him as more towny than any other player here?

Yeah, for me personally. It was the first thing that I felt quite townie about.

GC also felt a bit townie, but the aggression on both sides of that dispute makes me suspicious.

Do you think there is someone here who is very clearly obv town?

me

This post implies a desire to be viewed as Town, which makes me want to read you as Town even less.

[Lunar Martian]

Like, lockTown, maybe?: Andres, VP Baltar, Duchess
Town: Harumi, RTP
Weak Town: Datisi, RLotus
Null: Testarossa, Green Crayons, Elements, Dunnstral
On the Scum side of the spectrum: Italiano


Being purposely contrarian can be fun sometimes. I feel like Green Crayons and Elements have enough content that they shouldn't be null so I'm not sure if I should be skeptical of them purely because they're null or if its just a playstyle thing. Dunnstral and Testarossa don't really have any memorable content which is starting to be an issue. I'd probably wagon Italiano at this point.

[Lunar Martian]

Curious why my play in particular struck you as filler? It's definitely rubbing two sticks together, but I'm working with what I have here so far.

What do you think of Italiano's vote on me?

It came mostly from gut, probably initiated by the reads page 2 question where I thought Elements' answer might be obvious. The other questions didn't really felt like they would lead anywhere interesting, then again admittedly I was more disinterested. More a vehicle to interact with you pursuing the bad gut feeling.

What do you make out of Italiano's admiration of Elements in context of their history?

The vote looks quite convenient in timing, however I think it's plausible that he voted you regardless of my post and wasn't fully caught up. I consider it as null. If anything I was a bit surprised that he took your words so seriously as it seemed to me the joking was both-sided. The reaction test explanation is meh though.

also i'm getting pinged by the way they shade testa in 90 for looking like she's trying extra hard, when that's the read i get from their posts. seems somewhat... self-aware?

I kind of disliked the fos on Italiano more in that post tbh, while I can comprehend Duchess reacting to my post like they did. I feel the fact that they reflected about me two posts later (before rtp pointed out the same) shows some process of chewing on it which I don't really think scum necessarily bothers to do so here.

Eh these two posts give weak Townie/solvy vibes.

[Lunar Martian]

what makes u locktown those 3 specifically?

Mostly the things they said. It could maybe also be the things they didn't say, although I suppose I wouldn't really know in that case.

[Lunar Martian]

On a re-read Andres doesn't look as good. I guess I'll give that read more time to develop.

[Lunar Martian]

Elements, RTP, and Lunar are the only players who have given unexplained reads (though yes I see some explanations once pressed). Did I kiss anyone else with this style of play in this game?

What's your point?

[Lunar Martian]

Going to go and look and see if that’s how y’all usually play.

If we don't normally play that way you'd assume we are Mafia?

[Lunar Martian]

Personally I'm more interested in Dunnstral and whether he always is this lurky and fluffy.

I'm down to wagon GC.

[Lunar Martian]

Going to go and look and see if that’s how y’all usually play.

If we don't normally play that way you'd assume we are Mafia?

No I would not make that assumption.

What's the point in this meta check then?

[Lunar Martian]

For anyone who cares, Elements did very similar no-explanation reads list in two games I saw when he was town.

What's the point in this meta check then?

I skipped over active games.

Do you think your play here is consistent with your recent play in other games?

I think it's sufficiently close to be a non-issue, but your reaction seems jumpy about a quick meta check.

Uh what? Yeah this is pretty much how I play. I'm not jumpy like "Hey don't look at my meta!" It's more like "Is this really the best you can do to pretend to scumhunt?" Cuz meta analysis is pretty surface-level, and this is surface-level meta. So its not really very compelling to me.