Micro 998 | The Binding of Isaac Mafia | Game Over

[Farkran]

Hi boys, i see that rvs stuff is still in place. Eh well, i am beyond trying to stop it.

Anyways, i find 15 a bit bold for the context we are win, even if considered with a trace of irony.

Also hardclaim tech-x

[Farkran]

We are in*

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Wait wasn't that a fakehammer? I mean madeline already voted ...

But there were 5 already?

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Yeah, hence why a fakehammer

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Yes, now i noticed. He true-hammered himself, and apparently gained a vig shot?

[Farkran]

Or vengeshot whatever

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so i wonder if costello is actually scum and the partner knew and helped creat the wagon

does not feel like a real thought

Why not? I actually thought the same after hectic's 42

[Farkran]

madeline, can I leave reading bugspray to you this game? I'll assist with blue hearts and occasionally spiders

pedit: the fun in the game for me is getting really stupid combos which makes things go insane. brimstone is uh, one of the catalysts for stuff

Is madeline your most trustworthy friend right now?

Real question

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so i wonder if costello is actually scum and the partner knew and helped creat the wagon

does not feel like a real thought

Why not? I actually thought the same after hectic's 42

I explained in my followup but feels less like a townie thought process and more like someone outing a wildly implausible thought to seem like they are going crazy with speculation

(also I would expect a scum venge to have ended the day immediately)

Would it be that much more likely that a townie just selfhammers himself by mistake? I mean maybe, but not that much to say it would be a fake thought process to say otherwise.

Also the sentence in brackets is true, but seems to be coming from a scum mindset instead of deducting that costello should be town for his action

[Farkran]

To wrap things up i retract my slight suspicion on madeline and i am now wary of catboi mostly. Costello is still probably town, i just didn't particularly like the reasoning in background

[Farkran]

Hi boys, i see that rvs stuff is still in place. Eh well, i am beyond trying to stop it.

Anyways, i find 15 a bit bold for the context we are win, even if considered with a trace of irony.

Also hardclaim tech-x

Hard sus on this

Also why?

[Farkran]

Also the sentence in brackets is true, but seems to be coming from a scum mindset instead of deducting that costello should be town for his action

I don't understand this

I mean to say that catboi didn't deduce that costello would be town for his play, he just thought about how scum would handle it. Still an early analysis, but i'd rather have it out there than just in my mind.

Also oh shit yeah tech-x is op af, i beat delirium with 1 red heart usjing just tech-x and not that much dps

[Farkran]

Is this Prism

Please don't be prism. I remember prism. Was the only one hardscumreading me when i was scum, and i townlocked him when he was scum.

[Farkran]

Please don't be prism. I remember prism. Was the only one hardscumreading me when i was scum,

if you're town wouldn't this be...

a beneficial trait

if you think costello is town?

as you stated earlier

What does costello alignment have to do with prism (the ms player, not the boi item)?

[Farkran]

Also the sentence in brackets is true, but seems to be coming from a scum mindset instead of deducting that costello should be town for his action

I don't understand this

I mean to say that catboi didn't deduce that costello would be town for his play, he just thought about how scum would handle it. Still an early analysis, but i'd rather have it out there than just in my mind.

Also oh shit yeah tech-x is op af, i beat delirium with 1 red heart usjing just tech-x and not that much dps

I

think

I like this analysis of perspective. wait, by play, do you mean costello self-hammering or the content he's posted?

The hammering

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What does costello alignment have to do with prism (the ms player, not the boi item)?

i believe hectic was asking costello if costello is prism

Ok, playing by mobile isn't helping me. But no, costello is not prism

[Farkran]

Struggling to get a handle on more of the table, was sad that the reaction was to just bail on the thread en masse after the initial activity flurry, but again I get what I pay for.

I mean to say that catboi didn't deduce that costello would be town for his play, he just thought about how scum would handle it. Still an early analysis, but i'd rather have it out there than just in my mind.

So this as a reason to be wary of catboi is pretty weird. Thinking about how scum would handle it is very natural from a town hunting POV. Scum knows it's town and works that direction.

still would shoot madeline if it were right now but might as well be playing roulette rn

That's... not entirely the point, i mean, at that time you had already self-hammered, which is a weird move by itself, you must admit.

I would think that emotionally your first thought as town should be "why the fuck this dude selfhammered, is there something fishy?" rather than "yeah he's most certainly town". At least that was my first impression, as well as hectic's and bug's. Which is why i think their posting is more genuine than the others atm.

After putting a bit of thought into it though, it's more likely that you're town regardless - but this should have come at a later timing. Maybe catboi just has a quicker brain, or a different instinct. Just saying that if i had to shoot now, my best pick would be him or ydrasse (because content/post ratio is low). Gamma also applies because lurking, but i remember playing with gamma several months ago and he does that as town too.

Anyone else has a best candidate? Interested in ydrasse and gamma opinion since i mentioned them.

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Like #86 to me screams slightly of overreacting to me. You can't tell me none of you bounce a little when you see TechX in a run. There's no items at all that will let you go toe-to-toe with Delirium or even Hush with just that one item so saying Tech-X isn't OP using that as a comparison...

amma load up and see how far I can get itemless techx

I didn't mean literally only tech-x (i don't play seeded), but nothing relevant along with it. Maybe i had some dmg or speed up but i didn't expect to get to delirium. I stand by my statement that tech-x is the single most broken item in the whole BoI

[Farkran]

Anyone else has a best candidate? Interested in ydrasse and gamma opinion since i mentioned them.

Or, you could answer this @gamma

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Feels weird to say gamma is "lurking" within the first 2 hours of a game, no? Granted, he hasn't said anything with his 2 posts, but the game has barely started and he wasn't here for most of it.

The game is literally 2 hours old, people sleep and have lives. We literally cannot be calling people on low content-lurking.

Why'd you feel the need to repeat his point?

I find Gamma scummy too, not because of low amount of posts, but because of what he chose to say in those posts. Would expect he'd have more he'd want to say after that start.

Ydrasse is null. Farkran is cool. madeline calling Costello out on bad play is slightly towny. catboi fine, good even. Who else... bugspray is bugspray, no idea. Flea's been fluffing, 129 is a little sympathetic, like holding back on critiquing Costello, probably because he has the power of REVENGE on his side, although I can see that coming from town as well, just less likely.

catboi/Farkran
madeline
Ydrasse
bugspray/Flea
Gamma

I can relate to this list, especially adding 155. I could have been wrong with catboi, re-reading his posts so far he seems to be committed to produce content which is a good thing. Hectic would be a neutral-to-townlean slot in my list.

[Farkran]

Oh give it to me please, i'm not maggy and i could use some more <3

[Farkran]

Oh give it to me please, i'm not maggy and i could use some more <3

Oof, I'm sorry, but The Magician beat you to the punch. I found some other friends for you though:



Heard the BBF (Big Beautiful Fly) is the best item in the game actually. On the house <3

I won't complain, BBF is a great partner. Would take it over a blue heart in most cases. If i could get BFF too it would be awesome

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I looked back and it feels like you didn't know how to react to the fast hammer and reveal

me?

i didn’t at all LOL

i see someone selfhammer and think oh god was this person throwing at first

also my criticism was what it was, no point commenting further, was a weird ass play, they're flipping and frankly unless they're the forgotten or the lost with mantle, they're outta here.
If they do have a venge shot, amazing, but at this point I don't seen the point speculating,

To be perfectly honest though, i like ydrasse reaction more than flea's wrt these two posts.

I should iso them more, but based on just these two it seems that ydrasse is genuinely disappointed whereas flea looks like interested in learning/directing costillo's power. Maybe?

[Farkran]

I never unlocked the keeper because i played on Switch and the keeper patch happened after i stopped playing consistently

Also i ragequitted many times because of the autoreset feature (yknow when you press the controller stick for too long)

[Farkran]

Hi boys, i see that rvs stuff is still in place. Eh well, i am beyond trying to stop it.

Anyways, i find 15 a bit bold for the context we are win, even if considered with a trace of irony.

Also hardclaim tech-x

what does the first line mean?

It's me thinking that we were still in rvs but costillo was actually hammered instead

[Farkran]

Farkran feels rather flat this game. I only played with him once but I don’t recall him being that way in that game, so I think it’s scum-indicative.

This is kind of a bad push in this gamestate, but please elaborate about why my posts feel flat, especially as opposed to anyone else since you have already singled me out on your catch up

[Farkran]

If anyone thinks I'm making a mistake, feel free to intervene and lemme know why I'm dumb to townread him

I'm not yet sure about catboi, but i feel at least confident that he isn't the best shot right now.

I disliked him too at a first impression but i have changed my opinion about him recently, he seems to be helping the gamestate progress with his posts

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gamma is.... fine ??? he believes in his push on farkran i think and it's not like, the smartest push to make bc people seem decently good on farkran today so it's like... why, bc he's threatening to scum!gamma? idk he's like... okay

i'd shoot... bugspray??? flea... maybe

I don't particularly like gamma's catchup, but i might biased because he's targeting me

Other than that i find myself agreeing with ydrasse more than i wanted to. What do you think about this, ydrasse? Should i be worried?

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Based on last page i would also not shoot (or redirect-eliminate, whatever) madeline as well.

GTH i would kill gamma or flea. Anyone has taken a look at flea's iso? I don't see any strong commitment into advancing the gamestate, please correct me if i am wrong.

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Other than that i find myself agreeing with ydrasse more than i wanted to. What do you think about this, ydrasse? Should i be worried?

Why do you expect to Ydrasse a certain amount? Why ask this question?

I don't know ydrasse so the question was mostly rhetorical/aimed at getting a conversation going, but i like their answers so far. After a slow start she seems to be involved and willing to contribute with her own insight and questioning, so eh, either town or very good scum i'd say [cit.]

But yeah leaning town on her rn.

Let's talk about bugspray a bit though, since i feel i have overlooked his slot so far. My opinion of him is mostly based on 44, 49 and 55 because they sounded really sincere to me, i shared the same thoughts at the time (after i realized that costello was actually hammered and it wasn't just fake) and i think scum wouldn't have had the readiness to fake that kind of disappointment. That being said, the contribution to the gamestate isn't that great. Wouldn't shoot him as my first option rn anyways.

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Let's talk about bugspray a bit though, since i feel i have overlooked his slot so far. My opinion of him is mostly based on 44, 49 and 55 because they sounded really sincere to me, i shared the same thoughts at the time (after i realized that costello was actually hammered and it wasn't just fake) and i think scum wouldn't have had the readiness to fake that kind of disappointment. That being said, the contribution to the gamestate isn't that great. Wouldn't shoot him as my first option rn anyways.

You read it as disappointment? I just read it as surprise/shock which could come from either alignment

Wouldn't you be happy, or at least laughing, if we assume that town just hammered themselves for no apparent reason? And then of course you try to fake that off, but i think the resulting posts would be less emotional than bugspray did, rather than give the perception of either disappointment or shock

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I have never seen eye to eye with gamma (i only played with him as t/t or s/s in my career, never t/s) so that *could* be town indicative for him. It is true that town!gamma is usually more productive than scum! gamma, i remember tm2020 where he was eliminated d1 mostly out of inactivity and he was scum, so there's that. I do not not understand his analysis of my slot but since time is running short, my best pick for a shot in the face atm is flea.

And i'm sad because i actually liked their Isaac competence

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Farkran checking in

Quick answer to all the posts before this: i don't recall ever defending gamma or shifting away from accusing him, my best targets for a shot have always been flea > gamma after i reconsidered catboi and ydrasse

About hectic, atm i will say that he lied to me and it isn't true that he had friends, he's a lone walker in the valley of solitude.

I am a bit worried of ydrasse jumping on my wagon but overall i still like her posts, i do want to hear more from flea too

[Farkran]

Note: it's 2.30 am here so i will be around for a few minutes before going to bed, if you have any question this is your best chance

[Farkran]

nvm farkran's here i'm coming back in

hot dog hot dog hot diggity dog

About hectic, atm i will say that he lied to me and it isn't true that he had friends, he's a lone walker in the valley of solitude.

why'd you target hectic

Do you want me to fullclaim?

Real question

[Farkran]

With gamma flip i believe my power would be best used on hectic and i can only provide a reason if i claim.

To answer your doubt though, my power is best used on scum

[Farkran]

I mean I'm pretty sure you're a PT cop, and choosing Hectic for it makes no sense given your reads, but we'll wait and see what everybody else says

Check hectic iso again and compare to what we knew during the night

[Farkran]

Give me a minute and i'll tell you the exact post

[Farkran]

...Did you read the Hectic ISO? You saw 293 and decided Hectic was a good scum candidate?

Check 264, 265 and hectic's progression on gamma after the interactions you mentioned

He shifted from like to shade without ever suggesting to shoot him

[Farkran]

Eh i guess if i'm going to die anyways and you kinda already spoiled it, i might as well fullclaim

I am Judas and i am a PT cop. Hectic is not part of a PT.

[Farkran]

...Did you read the Hectic ISO? You saw 293 and decided Hectic was a good scum candidate?

Check 264, 265 and hectic's progression on gamma after the interactions you mentioned

He shifted from like to shade without ever suggesting to shoot him

After gamma flip hectic was my best candidate

Now it's back to flea

I never really fancied scum!bug

[Farkran]

We're in mech clear if
1. Costillo is town
2. I haven't been blocked (technically i am not a true pt cop, the role is only slightly modified and my output for "no result" is the same as "negative result")
3. We lynch me in elo3 (is this how you refer to the 3 way situation? I stopped playing when we still said l*lo) if i am still alive

I can accept that, i strongly doubt that i was a block target if a blocker even exists

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We're in mech clear if

i am not following

like

if you are town wouldn't the result be

we eliminate me because pt cop miller, you are nightkilled,

same situation as today but with one less elimination

and no madeline +(

Yeah, it's correct, but what was wrong in my mech plan?

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Explain why

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I mean, assume that i am town (bc if i am scum i will never see the end of this game alive by my own plan)

We kill you, i die overnight -> town is left with 2 (99.9%) conftown and 3 non-conf

Isn't that mathematically a victory unless either costillo or hectic are scum?

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I mean, assume that i am town (bc if i am scum i will never see the end of this game alive by my own plan)

We kill you, i die overnight -> town is left with 2 (99.9%) conftown and 3 non-conf

Isn't that mathematically a victory unless either costillo or hectic are scum?

no?

5 with 2 conf, goes to 3 with 1 conf

if miselim on 5

unless i am missing something

Didn't we already say somewhere that they are voting the neighbors-positive in that situation?

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Assuming madeline has a neighbor that wasn't catboi, we can literally policy vote neighbors, have Farkran investigate the other two people, and STILL HAVE AN ELIM LEFT FOR FARKRAN

This thing

[Farkran]

i am fine with massclaim!

I DON'T WANNA

O wait i already did

Ok go ahead then

[Farkran]

Assuming madeline has a neighbor that wasn't catboi, we can literally policy vote neighbors, have Farkran investigate the other two people, and STILL HAVE AN ELIM LEFT FOR FARKRAN

This thing

right so we eliminate me, you are nightkilled, we eliminate my neighbour, if also town, it goes to 3 with 1 confirmed still?

like i guess i still don't understand, beyond the 67% that costello says i see that

Ok nvm i misunderstood you saying you're a miller, you are actually a neighbor lol

[Farkran]

You thought he was a neighbor and you still picked him to PT cop?

I thought i had made pretty clear that i believed hectic was scum in 438

[Farkran]

Also my role is exactly like this:

Check a target if he is part of a PT, if he is you gain a charge, if he isn't you gain nothing

The charge is used during the day to prevent the people in the PT to talk during the remainder of that day

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See knowing Madeline is in a PT with me, looking back at 77 I think it was seems a little too precise to me.

What made you pick on Madeline?

Completely random, how was it too precise when hectic doesn't have a pt

[Farkran]

my name is Magdalene and my power is called celtic cross where i target people at night to bodyguard them (if they die i die instead)

Flavour knowledge is fun.

See knowing Madeline is in a PT with me, looking back at 77 I think it was seems a little too precise to me.

What made you pick on Madeline?

Completely random, how was it too precise when hectic doesn't have a pt

I'm not asking about Hectic, I'm asking about Madeline. Kinda feels informed?

And i'm telling you how could i know about madeline if i didn't know about hectic, especially when in the end i targeted hectic rather than the target that i was supposed to be informed of

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@costello what are we doing today in the end?

To be honest i want to do flea both mechwise and readwise. Their d1 contribution is definitely not great - during d2 they had a chance to improve but they chose to target the fashion of the day instead of re-analyzing and i think that's scum indicative.

I'd rather not die today to increase our winning odds.

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Your posts suggested that you thought Hectic was ofting neighbor. You can think he's scum simultaneously, but if you thought he was softing neighbor, why investigate him?

Actually i never did, the post about madeline was completely random, i never thought hectic was a neighbor. When he talked about the BBF, i started thinking he was a neighborizer (still reading him as neutral-leaning town on him). When gamma flipped, i noticed that hectic progression on flipped scum was quite bad, as i said in post 438. He started liking gamma for pushing me, but -as i interpreted it- after he realized gamma could actually flip because of you, he soft-reconsidered his read without ever suggesting to actually shoot him, instead focusing on bugspray. Therefore i thought hectic could be scum, regardless of role, and that's why i checked him. I never once thought he could have been a town neighbor. I don't know how to explain myself better than this, my post about madeline is something you guys misinterpreted as a crumb but it wasn't, i had no idea at the time

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Really curious if you can go more indepth on the Flea read, I know you explained it Day 1 but I'm wrapped up at work right now and am really curious as to how you were thinking about fae/Hectic comparatively overnight

Flea was my best scum guess during d1 pre-flip. This is because of their poor content/post ratio, since they were one of the slots that appeared averagely active without actually contributing much to the gamestate advancement, as opposed to bugspray who had been less active but consistently so.

[Out of game: please forgive my usage of personal pronouns, i'm not natively english. i don't want to offend anyone]

[Farkran]

I guess we should start wagons running and there's no reason why i'm off flea rn

VOTE: flea

[Farkran]

I am open to talk about why ydrasse should be scum

My read on her is strongly based on tone, same as what i have on bug, but it's still better than what i have on flea

Even on d2 start though ydrasse took iniziative to move off the fotm wagon when scum!her would have no reason to (391->443) since nobody had called her out after voting a strong townread of her (259)

I really can't see scum!ydrasse rn

[Farkran]

@flea did you know beforehand what the poop would do? Could you choose a different gift if you wanted to?

[Farkran]

They referred to it as a gift

And if they didn't know, why give it to hectic?

[Farkran]

And if they didn't know, why give it to hectic?

probably because hectic is hectic

who would you have targeted with gift of poop with no other knowledge of it, like why do you want to know this

My neighbor for instance? I am under the assumption that you trusted each other and that you knew the gift would be best given to town

So i wonder why hectic

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And if they didn't know, why give it to hectic?

probably because hectic is hectic

who would you have targeted with gift of poop with no other knowledge of it, like why do you want to know this

My neighbor for instance? I am under the assumption that you trusted each other and that you knew the gift would be best given to town

So i wonder why hectic

[Farkran]

(sorry for the double)

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@flea did you know beforehand what the poop would do? Could you choose a different gift if you wanted to?

The role reads to me as flavoured fruit giver. Given my character flavour, POOP!

As for not giving it to madeline, we're neighbours and I had hoped to gain her trust in the PT.

Given my poop giving is actually NAI as alignments and flavours mean nothing, and that scum can multitask it's literally just a bit of fun and nothing more.

I'd like to hear the rationale behind giving your gift to hectic without knowing what it would do

What was your read on hectic and what did you expect would happen?

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Oh, i assumed it had some effect and your role was more like inventor than fruit vendor, i guess that makes sense.

@Bugspray what do you think of ydrasse?

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Why would you assume it was inventor?

Because our actions became public for some reason, and i thought it was because of your gift

Do we already know why they have been made public? Was it an effect from hectic role?

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YOU are not tunneled on me flea, you're just the opportunist jumping on board with it!

Ydrasse may i ask you why did you vote me at the start of d2? I assume you were sheeping costello

If that was the case, did anything change recently?

[Farkran]

I'm not against being leashed but you do realize that town!bug will always die tonight, right?

[Farkran]

Oh wait Hectic's plan has Fark on bugspray N2

Oh hell naw I asssumed he had Fark on Ydrasse

Now this would work much better and i agree to it

[Farkran]

Also my role is exactly like this:

Check a target if he is part of a PT, if he is you gain a charge, if he isn't you gain nothing

The charge is used during the day to prevent the people in the PT to talk during the remainder of that day

[Farkran]

so it gets a redcheck on pt with only 1 living player?

so it gets a redcheck on pt with only 1 living player?

as in you would gain the charge?

Yes if the PT still exists

I don't know how flea power works

[Farkran]

Yes if the PT still exists

I don't know how flea power works

flea erases nieghbourhood from existence; i was more asking to confirm hectic clear or part of reveals actions ability is negating those actions, right

Eh

Only hectic knows. I did not get a charge on him, that's what i know

I doubt the existence of a special power on scum!hectic though, because he already used the power of loud actions on him

Also it occurred to me that i couldn't have been blocked, otherwise i wouldn't have visited hectic.

Chances of hectic being part of a PT are less than 1 in one million

[Farkran]

because he already used the power of loud actions on him

couldn't it just be part of hectic's loud ability to negate also

I think that would be op compared to other powers we have heard of?

Pedit: yeah public actions then

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I mean

Hectic would still be my highest scumread if not for the clear, but that clear is quite solid and i'd never elim him over literally anyone else. I don't want paranoia to get in the way of plausible conftowning

If i am to reconsider someone i would do bug, madeline or ydrasse

But i'd rather just do flea today and check ydrasse tonight

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Farkran, can you explain the reasoning for checking me and what was weird about by Gamma progression? I had him at the top of my "would shoot pile", being [Gamma, Flea, bugspray]. Where did I shift on that?

The transition from 154 to 265 to 293 felt bad after gamma flipped red

I mean you had him as your highest scumread, then as the day went on you found a reason to shift your read on him, yet never fully committing to it. Post-clear, i am still wondering why you didn't suggest a clean shot on him

Also you and gamma had very similar reads despite him being a SR of yours which is also a weird stance to take (especially wrt bug)

[Farkran]

Farkran whats your ability/item names?

Book of Belial

[Farkran]

Only book of belial

[Farkran]

242 Costello - Eve - 1 Shot Elimination Redirector, has Dead Bird.
439 Farkran - Judas - PT Cop, Hectic clear. Closes PTs at night with charge?
478 Madeline - Town Azazel - Can investigate role in PT.
448 Ydrasse - The Lost - Can check 1 dead body per day to see what they do.
518 Me, Flea - ???(Blue Baby) - Forget-me-not (Close PT[Sacrifice room] with Madeline) and The Poop (Give poop to someone at night).
539 Bugspray - Magdalene - Celtic Cross (Bodyguard)

Isaacs had a Glass D6 to shuffle items...

Can people who haven't do a full flavour claim? We still need Hectics claim too.

Quoting this for handiness sake. Also minor correction: with my charge i stop communication during the day, nights are unaffected

Adding Hectic 757: with the Soul he gains information about others, with Bony others gain information about him. He doesn't know in advance what the two abilities do.

[Farkran]

Based on these claims i think nobody fakeclaimed with the possible exception of Costello but once again that's just heavy paranoia

I'm starting to see flea town vibes though and i don't know what to make of it. I don't really fancy any of the other 3 as scum but the game is stalled.

@ydrasse can you answer my question in 725?
Also if you could please explain the process that led you to 646?

By rereading your iso i got this feeling that today you're always up to vote any fotm target whereas in d1 you were much less trigger happy especially wrt gamma (236, 260)

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More specifically like how did you transition from

Spoiler: this

gamma is.... fine ??? he believes in his push on farkran i think and it's not like, the smartest push to make bc people seem decently good on farkran today so it's like... why, bc he's threatening to scum!gamma? idk he's like... okay

i'd shoot... bugspray??? flea... maybe

To

Spoiler: this

Farkran’s vibes whispered to me unpleasantly

[Farkran]

My paranoia is actually much more complex and convolute than that lol

But i was just taking notes, i won't go anywhere near costello or hectic unless i have to decide between exactly you two and none else

[Farkran]

Thanks for your answer, ydrasse. I have to say that i disagree with your game strategy, but as a player i must also admit that eliminating the people you have a hard time reading is often better than eliminating your highest scumreads.

There's two things i feel from you, the first and main reason why i don't scumread you is that your tone is as pristine as it can get. If there is one thing that i don't see coming from you is bad faith - all of your arguments sound true and despite other people saying otherwise, i believe you are being honest to yourself.

The second thing though is that this is exactly the position i would expect from scum!you, i.e. rn you do not have a strong stance on anyone except flea and yet you would have been happy to wagon me instead of pursuing your one and only scumread. This is what pings me right now and i think you could help your case by taking a more clear stance on the other players.

For instance, how satisfied would you be if today ended in a bugspray elim?

[Farkran]

I want to do flea today and investigate ydrasse

[Farkran]

VOTE: hectic
this is actually the winning play

Now i'm not sure what to make of this

I have a hard time believing it is not intentional, but town should not do this

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The problem about mechsolving is that once it becomes an option, people stop thinking and wait for things to happen

When in actuality mechsolving shouldn't be a mutually exclusive solution against reads and that's why we should be starting to form wagons

The candidates today are flea and ydrasse, vote one or change my mind

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Please note that in no world will Farkran investigate someone with a non-scum PT open.

Yeah this would be immensely stupid and i want to reiterate it because it's literally pointless, 1. don't know the nature of the PT investigated 2. everyone might be part of a town PT and a scum PT simultaneously so it's simply a wasted night

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This fuels the paranoia on costello though but there are times when you must accept the 1 out of 10 loss in order to win the other 9

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I have a simple question for everyone

Why are we even suggesting to vote any one of the two players that have at least a soft mechclear instead of actually limiting the pool and start forming wagons?

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Like i understand that our opinions differ but at least please cast your vote to the best of your possibilities

I mean at this point i might have accepted a policy elim on players who are stalling the game but they happen to be more than half the list

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I will start by (re)producing my case against my current vote, flea

I disliked them for low post/content ratio during d1, then disliked the reaction at costello's selfhammer.

I didn't see a reason to reconsider on them until recently in d2 - even then that's not a 180, i can now see a world where they are town but i would be less surprised if they flip red than green

Re-reading the combined gamma/flea with added knowledge of the flip i don't think a s/s interaction is impossible given posts like 149+208 that basically amounts to the only time they have been talking to each other

I don't want to metadive but if anybody has experience with any of the two, use it to compare their exchanges in this game - based on my memory of scum!gamma (2 games total) he is usually lurky and less incline to bus, which could match this scenario where he provides a soft townlean of their partner without ever taking a hard stance about them

And that concludes my scumcase on flea. It's not strong, but it's stronger than what i have on the other possible candidates and as i said we can get help from mech even if we can't solve the game on them alone

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Why are we even suggesting to vote any one of the two players that have at least a soft mechclear instead of actually limiting the pool and start forming wagons?

what does mechclear in this instance? i don't think we actually have any way of mechanically confirming a player's alignment

The chances Hectic is part of a PT are *extremely* low

Scum PTs remain active and open even when only 1 scum remains, this is true in all games of ms history

I know for a fact that i cannot have been blocked, otherwise i wouldn't have visited hectic (this was announced by mod)

There is a very, very minor chance that hectic is ascetic or he has a power similar to flea but i wouldn't bet the game on this

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Saw E-1 and Intent.

*mashes spacebar*

@Mod: Forget-me-now (PM to confirm incoming.)

I don't think the mod is supposed to confirm this publicly, i.e. my command to lock PTs during the day is used via pm rather than in the main thread

@madeline @flea BOTH of you can confirm that the command has been used in your pt as well and/or the PT was successfully closed forever?

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Apparently I am in a neighbourhood. I just cant access it.

This made me lol

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Madeline doesn't come out clean from that exchange with costello, given the context, but tbh scum!madeline had almost literally zero pressure to answer costello

If scum!madeline is known to do this kind of unnecessary effort please let me know, until then

flea is still a better vote

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Also for the record i'm still investigating ydrasse

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Also my role is exactly like this:

Check a target if he is part of a PT, if he is you gain a charge, if he isn't you gain nothing

The charge is used during the day to prevent the people in the PT to talk during the remainder of that day

Also the game is clearly not normal since we had proof of roles capable of rerolling abilities which is not a normal mechanic

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you give me a better elimination order to take us to ELO. dare you

VOTE: costello

Sorry but POLICYVOTE: Costello for game throwing.

At least one of you is town

And costello is not gamethrowing

Just fyi

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@madeline and flea, what is the theory for Costello being scum?

I mean i read you saying that all the things happened are very convenient for him (access to PT, catboi dead, etc) but could you tell me the actual chances that scum get instavoted d1 into a redirect on his partner, without any knowledge of other PRs around (could have been a cop for all we know), hoping to survive 3 more miselims while at the same time explaining how he isn't nked until end of game?

As i said, this is worth losing the game to, costello is immediately awarded the title of best scum to have ever existed

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@madeline and flea, what is the theory for Costello being scum?

I mean i read you saying that all the things happened are very convenient for him (access to PT, catboi dead, etc) but could you tell me the actual chances that scum get instavoted d1 into a redirect on his partner, without any knowledge of other PRs around (could have been a cop for all we know), hoping to survive 3 more miselims while at the same time explaining how he isn't nked until end of game?

As i said, this is worth losing the game to, costello is immediately awarded the title of best scum to have ever existed

if an rvs wagon on mafia is hammered it's far more likely than random that the hammerer is mafia, and that doesn't seem wholly dissimilar to costello shooting gamma emerald here

costello hammered himself? and knew about the redirect? so that doesn't involve too much chance,

does this play seem like it would be out of character for costello to you?

and the way costello has set up the gameplan going forward allows for non-costello {bugspray, hectic, farkran} nightkills to be easily explained

like i don't see how 'best scum ever' would simply be 'killed my partner day 1 and everyone assumed i was town'

It's not just that he DID it, but the fact that he was ABLE to do it.

Scum must have had the perfect roles, get voted in rvs by town only (well except costello himself who was the hammer), know beforehand that a role similar to pt cop existed in order to fakeclaim the raven hood with catboi, who then, sure, conveniently died, but there could have been a bulletproof or doctor or bg in play that must ALSO have been known beforehand because you don't risk the entire game on a ballsy play like that when the chances that a log gets in your wheels are so incredibly high

You must have planned it in advance, but rather this all happened within less than 24 hours into d1.

Let's get serious.

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VOTE: costello
like we just yeet you today and then the game is easier if it continues because our water supply is something other than this fucking poisoned wine

Also to be honest i can see scum!bug after this, but that's a topic for another day

If bug is a town bg he isn't going to get to elo3 no matter what

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Oh, so you are actually prism lol

You're not a lucky man

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Bonus Costello quotes on playing scum in postgames/towngames

As scum, I often have a dilemma in that I really don't take much pride or joy in bringing out the worst in others, but consider it the easiest way to win.

I don't think in terms of trying to get people to townread me or avoiding a lynch except as a means to an end; I just think of the number of mislynches we need and how to get there. I think this is different than most people who have delusions of grandeur, thinking that the best scumplayers are the ones with the EPIC THREE WAY HARDCARRY.

There are literally dozens of these scattered around the site.

Heh

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I'm not so much offended by the idea that I chose to bus, I can play badly or strategically play badly for WIFOM

I'm horrified that players think that would be good/strong play, your comment that it would be "best scum alive" included, because it is absolutely horrific and fundamentally does not understand the scum alignment.

Heh²

By the way the strength wouldn't have been in the play itself, but in the ability to carry it to a victory

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You know, like escapology magicians

The smartest one would be the man who opens the door and leaves, but the one who gets remembered forever is the man who was blindfolded, hands tied, feet deep in solid concrete, thrown in a piranha-infested pool within less than 5 minutes

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And that's why i don't think you are scum

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I only played with scum!you once, in the hydra game that eventually got canceled. I townreaded you hard lol

I have no idea what you would do as scum because i don't want to metadive ever again, but i do believe that nobody would do that, including you, unless you were forced to.

My main paranoia against you would be if your (or your partner's) role had the option to sacrifice gamma but nobody else - but that does absolutely not explain the selfhammer in rvs, so yeah - i thought about it for a while, then discarded the option

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I do respect you as a town player though, which might probably push me to reread your motives for townreading flea and scumreading ydrasse, but i'm not really motivates because i still think we should elim one and invest the other

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I'm on ydrasse

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I am now sad though that prism scumreads me regardless

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My paranoia about hectic is raising though and i will explain why tomorrow

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Hmmmmmm you're not getting the point...

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Eh lol if 2 out of 2 town don't get it i guess it's too subtle and therefore pointless

Was just throwing a RT there to see who would catch that there could be no tomorrow if flea flips red

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It came to me when hectic told bugspray to protect me as if he was sure there would be one

But nah hectic you're town bro

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VOTE: hecscum

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Lol another public action, eh ok then

I concede, nothing much i can run about. GG town.

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I was about to kill Costello and claim clear on ydrasse until several hours ago, then i changed my mind and went for hectic because i had hoped to elim costello based on d2 events

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u already hammered son its TOO LATE 2 CONCEDE

but ya virtually mechanical autoloss sucks

MOD DIDN'T DECLARE YOUR VICTORY YET SO I AM THE KING

Everyone bow to me and bathe in the victory that I AND ONLY I brought to you with my resignation

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Needed to N1 me son

I had spent the night coming out of my depression+wasn't going to be as vicious today, I had everyone but you/Ydrasse as scum but I think surviving Day 2-whether it was a dumb vote on me or me getting outvoted on madeline-was game winning.

After thinking about it more, while Ydrasse/me might have been "safer", I think the Hectic shot was worth the risk and just unfortunate

Thought about it but tbh i didn't expect many things to happen, i was fucked by mech, which is a good thing since i prefer PR to mountainous

Also nice catch on me and gamma, we didn't plan anything at all since d1 was so fast. I didn't expect him to focus on me that much, i found him scummy so i went with the flow and hoped he wouldn't die

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Also Hectic warned you I was Prism Day 1, you didn't listen, you shot catboi instead, HECTIC TRIED TO WARN YOU FELLA

Honest i didn't believe it

Otherwise you'd have been a rotten corpse by now

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Also i want to say that i enjoyed this game a lot more than expected, given that it was my first after a 10 months break.

T'was also fun meeting some of my old friends again, thank you for inviting me Chara, and thank you everyone for playing with me

Please invite me somewhere else if you want me around, i think i will accept

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Gamma Emerald and Farkran have 48 hours to notify me of any redactions they'd like for the mafia PT. I'll be releasing everything else in a moment.

you have my permission to go ahead

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You probably should've just trueclaimed that over PT Cop, Farkran. Though it might've meant we actually push you out day 2 because you don't have mech reasons to be kept around, idk. I think the alternative makes it really hard to win though

Please do join more games, was great to play with you again after so long

Yeah my claim was partially fake in a way that made it harder for me, but i think it served me well for staying alive. Also my role was only useful to scum (this might be due a review in 2.0) so i wanted to stay away from that.

The Soul as describer might be a bit OP since the recipient is effectively unkillable without damning yourself

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Farkran was supposed to join the Dead PT so I could hang out with him.
This was very sadge.

Hi alisae, nice to meet you again too!

This time i wish i was town and chill with the green team, but nyeh!

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NEVER LUCKY

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I still enjoy playing scum, just this time around i wanted to chill by myself without too much pressure because i wasn't sure how much i would have committed to the game

Turned out to be fun though, i have no regrets

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Yeah ftr i shot catboi because he had perfect reads and i didn't want him around anymore <3

In retrospect i would have killed prism (if i knew he was prism) but yeah as you said it was also dangerously attractive to a protective

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Imagine killing hectic n1

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Farkran is back poggers

My new sig appeared

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i probably won't join any games for a bit unless invited to something, however Farkran please invite me to something if you happen to play. thank you

I promise <3

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For those who asked, i signed up in a normal upon invitation from skitter