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VOTE: mena

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actually, that strategy may be playing with fire, as the setup is symmetrical with the inclusion of an IC. we don't want the innocent babby ripping the cord prematurely.

I think it's still good, I think IC prematurely claiming is not as big a loss for good as suicide bomber suiciding early is for evil.

This felt towny to me

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VOTE: flea

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Why is mare scum?

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Is that just an activity thing or is there more to it

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Not really, lol

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Do you think you can articulate the mare thing any more? I felt like her opening post was awkward, but not necessarily scummy, and it could be an easy thing for scum to latch on to

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UNVOTE: flea, hoopla, ythan I agree are towny, not sure about your solve though

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Because I also like vander for town

VOTE: mena

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I dislike infinity’s simping for mare who is exceptionally null rn

The purpose of me question you/hoopla on the mare stuff was to sort you, not to defend her

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actually, that strategy may be playing with fire, as the setup is symmetrical with the inclusion of an IC. we don't want the innocent babby ripping the cord prematurely.

I think it's still good, I think IC prematurely claiming is not as big a loss for good as suicide bomber suiciding early is for evil.

This felt towny to me

This was pingy

Why?

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Incidentally, there are i think 2 answers that hoopla can give on why she’s voting me or else her scum equity is hiiiiigh and she’s repeating patterns from the last time I played with scum!her

Bleh this is towny

UNVOTE:

Can we make a new wagon?

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theres absolutely no way you go around demanding vote justification and just on your attackers unless you're bad news imo

Mena always does this as town

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I liked mom's aggression in the early game, what do you think? I agree that her posting elsewhere on site is a bit +scum but also what mena said, this game has been pretty dead anyway

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You know I'm very capable of aggression as scum.

Do I?

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The feeling around it was very different

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i'm underwhelmed. i'm waiting for him to step up and dazzle me. where's the energy? where's the passion?

Not gonna happen, sorry

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Felt like giving away an early relatively unjustified townread which I think is more likely to come from scum

I do this as town all the time though

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Felt like giving away an early relatively unjustified townread which I think is more likely to come from scum

I do this as town all the time though

Do you? I feel like this is significantly more a marker of your scumgame whereas when you’re town you’re normally more hesitant on giving reads

In panic room I tried to make sure that the reads were justified, whereas I just say what I think as town regardless of whether I can articulate it

I don't know where you're getting the idea that I'm hesitant to give reads as scum, that's not true at all (especially with TRs)

(I liked his 163 so I unvoted him, but I'd also like to see him pick out a wagon to form since he's only shown, relatively, positive feelings towards people/their posting so far and nothing pushing.)

Yeah I don't really have SRs

I'd probably vote on a vander wagon if it still existed because other people have been towny enough

I also don't really TR hoopla anymore

I'd also vote you

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Having too many TRs is probably a bit +scum for me, it's more of a problem for me as scum, but it's also a problem in most of my towngames

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Please don't hammer me

PEdit: hmm I am usually a bit more engaged in games but I've been less motivated for mafia in the past couple weeks

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I also don't really TR hoopla anymore

Why?

Similar reasons to vander, she's very not out of her scumrange and I'm a bit more confident in my reasons to TR other people

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As town you don’t give TRs so quickly

This isn't true in most of my towngames

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What about your mare scumread?

I've liked her play in the past couple pages, but again it's a PoE read on

PEdit: idk what to tell you, in most games I give out townreads in the first few pages and I often get called out for it

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And if that is the problem, what is gonna help u to get more engaged?

Other people doing stuff I find really AI, beyond that not much

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He didn't even read my damn spoiler.

I'm hurt.

Lol I did

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{mena}
{flea, ythan}
{mom, mare}
{hoopla, vander}

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I liked the "here's my herosolve and I'll see how people react to it"

Maybe I should switch fae with you. I'm not sure how hard this type of questioning is to fake

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I'm a vig don't hammer me

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are you mopey because you have to shoot someone? usually the excitement of picking off your top suspect translates into in game enthusiasm.

I've just been generally less enthusiastic about mafia in the last couple weeks

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well, i was scum last time. but

this

time it is very likely a town-bloc.

Am I insane for seeing this as a possible scumslip? Lol

VOTE: hoopla

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I don't doubt it, given how you played.

I still like my vote though

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Nothing has grabbed me yet.

Haven't really formed any but I'll look again in a minute if you want.

I ISO'd him, this actually felt pretty towny to me, because he could've made up something to say as scum but didn't.

Though he wasn't as town as I thought

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Pretty sure I'm confirmed town so I'm not sure what your point is

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I guess you'll find out on d2, not sure why you're focusing on that today but w/e

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Why I'm focusing on what? Pointing out one post didn't make sense or disputing that you're confirmed town which you're not?

Focusing on trying to sort me, the correct way to sort me is to see whether I'm alive on d2

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I do think it's probably +town though

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Excuse me?

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I don't get what's so hard to understand about "why are you sorting me right now when I will be confirmed town in one day phase?"

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I've been pretty clear about having a bunch of townreads, and I've talked about having reasons to townread others (like hoopla) but that not being sufficient at this point, was there a reason you expected me to approach my read on you differently?

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Yo infinity, what do you think about flea?

I don't really know how to read faer, fae's in my PoE I guess

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What did you think of 269?

I don't know? Obviously I didn't agree with the reasoning, I've seen flea make pushes like this as both alignments

I considered the idea that fae is being more bubbly than usual because fae is scum, but I don't have enough of a sample size to really know

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Yeah

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faem

faer* I think

VOTE: flea this is fine, I'm not sure on hoopla anyway but I think we want a wagon

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Ythan is pretty obviously town imo, I don't see why he antagonizes vig!me as scum

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VOTE: vanderscamp

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PoE

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I feel strongly enough about my read on ythan that I don't want to compromise there unless I have to

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He's town

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Hmm

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Vander flipping scum makes me more confident flea is town, but I don't have much else.

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I obviously don't know why or how you're wrong since you haven't given your reasoning!
I know that whatever it is, it is wrong, since I know my own alignment, but that's not really useful.

This was the one that stood out to me and really non-partnery

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I think Flea's defence has been really weird, not necessarily scummy weird but imo not towny weird either.
The thing I did think was more towny was the resignation and them saying that they should die and that they were going to self vote, but if one of Flea's "beautiful" scum games involves self voting for an entire day then that really makes me not like that read.

I'm pretty happy with Flea/Ythan up top, I'd be pretty surprised if both were town here.

This one too I think. Vanders' behavior around the flea/ythan wagons felt like keeping himself open to vote either (or vote flea on d2 after a townflip)

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I mean, I read that part when I ISO'd vander, I think in the bigger context it gives off "idc which one gets limmed" vibes, which points to flea being town. It could be FoS buddy vote townie, but 407 doesn't feel that way to me. It really feels like he's keeping his options open.

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Vander flipping scum makes me more confident flea is town, but I don't have much else.

Talk to me about this. Not sure I agree

Read my posts on this page

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VOTE: mare

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God sorry there's really not much to talk about

I think limming mare and mom ends the game. I feel pretty good about my flea TR because of the associatives I talked about last page, plus hoopla reasoning she laid out d1. If you disagree, engage me on it.

I also want people to talk about their reads on mena, if someone has seen mena play like this as scum before please say so. Or just why you think he could be scum in general.

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Mom for starters you can engage me on my flea-town reasoning?

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I'm 1-shot

I feel like 111 was too spontaneous/awkward to be theater, though maybe flea started it without warning?

I just feel like the most likely explanation is that flea is town

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As far as flea goes, fae knows I'm not touching faes slot as scum. Indefended fae in DBZ becasue I knew that fae would expect town!mara to town read fae. Fae also stated yesterday that me scum reading fae is bad for meta.

Ok, so last time I was scum against town!murdercat, I tried to force myself to be really engaged and play like town!murder expected me to, but I really had to force it. Murder didn't exactly scumread me, but everyone else did and limmed me d1. The lesson I took from this is that sometimes you have to accept that people who know you will SR you and and your path to winning the game may require that. Do you disagree with that? Why doesn't scum!you push flea if you think you need faer as a miselim, and accept that you'll be SRed by faer?

@flea Given how few scumgames you have on site (I don't think mara has experience with scum!you) why did you expect her to confidently TR you here based on meta?

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judging by flea's erratic and self-indulgent play, i suspect flea's not the bomber either. how does the wildcard not pull the trigger on a suicide bombing after being at E-1 all this time? flea's myopic doom about their own survival is convincing enough to me. think about it. if flea was really the bomber, could fae really resist the impulse to suicide in this spot if it was an available option?

Hoopla said this which was probably a good point but I cbf to go back and check

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I want to elim mare

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gg :(

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I really just can't read you

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Credit to flea for calling the scumteam on d1

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Vanderscamp and Menalque, PG4 solve from an idiot

Maybe you weren't pushing it the whole time, but you still get props for this

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perhaps that's a consequence of a micro game?

It can happen, really depends on the plist. I've played in micros where there are 100 pages by d2 (*cough* student council) but they tend to be slower