Mini Theme 2198: Animals Upick 2 [Game Over]

[Battle Mage]

Last Animals UPick, certain roles could only target certain types of animals, so I advise not to claim animals

VOTE: april ludgate

100% scum for this

[Battle Mage]

mine

[Battle Mage]

this game is going to annoy me, so i am putting it out there already, i have zero interest in playing based on the expected pointless discredits coming my way this game, so down to just get faded now, as im not an important role anyways

yeah i feel ya

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE:

what is koalawang?

why did everyone apparently make a list of animals? i just picked 1 animal

[Battle Mage]

I'm a rockin' robin

[Battle Mage]

but i wont claim my role yet

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE:

what is koalawang?

why did everyone apparently make a list of animals? i just picked 1 animal

I made a list just incase my animal was too close to someone else's but I got my top pick anyway

ah seems unlikely though, it's only a mini game.

[Battle Mage]

what is koalawang? do we get a prize?

[Battle Mage]

KOALAWANG

A ROUND OF KOALAWANG HAS BEGUN

Users may participate in koalawang by submitting gifs of koalas in the main game thread.

MOD

- What do we get for playing koalawang?

[Battle Mage]

Imagine thinking that question will be answered before the resolution of the game of koalawang

it says "a round" of koalawank, which implies it is going to happen more than once.

[Battle Mage]

MOD - What do we get for playing koalawang?

The moderator cannot confirm or deny whether there are consequences or stakes for koalawang.

in which case, I shall pass on this round.

[Battle Mage]

LET'S PLAY KOALAWANG!!!!

I'm assuming Koalawang is either useless or good. If it's bad why would someone want to openly start it in thread

that's true, Smoke and Mirrors started it so maybe he can explain.

[Battle Mage]

Imagine thinking that question will be answered before the resolution of the game of koalawang

it says "a round" of koalawank, which implies it is going to happen more than once.

I sure hope it's not a round of koalawank

damnit! the game has taken a seedy turn already

[Battle Mage]

koalawang is the best game ever

only evil scumbags would be scared to participate.

true story

how do you win?

[Battle Mage]

limited access for next 72 hours

[Battle Mage]

I must confess I don't quite understand the point of this tirade of marsupials other than one of distraction from the object to find anti-town aligned players.

yes i will also not partake

[Battle Mage]

King has battle mage slightly above everyone else

in terms of ability? who is this "King"?

[Battle Mage]

King has battle mage slightly above everyone else

in terms of ability? who is this "King"?

I am king

In terms of reads

hmm jokes aside though, do you have a post restriction?

[Battle Mage]

KOALAWANG

A ROUND OF KOALAWANG HAS ENDED

The winner of this round of koalawang is PenguinPower!

The D1 prize is for us to leash their vote at the time contest ended, so long as it isn’t a hammer.

you chose to trigger a competition which would require you to give up your vote to the 'winner'?

[Battle Mage]

i am here, I will re-read tomorrow and post something of limited but not nil value.

[Battle Mage]

pretty sure Penguin is scum for even producing content this early just saying.

Unless your name is skitteR, northsidegal, or cheekyteeky don't pretend you can read me.

my name is none of the above and i can read you like a book. you're probably town here because Noraa's meta is backwards - you post less as scum, not more.

[Battle Mage]

Peguin is trying his ass off to shake me off by discrediting here. He's done it multiple times already...

why is Penguin discrediting you scum-indicative? Spoiler: it's not

[Battle Mage]

I actually had to check the thread to make sure this wasn’t the newbie queue.

Would you care to be my assistant IC this game? There are several newbies here and I would like to give them a good experience and a good education.

Why would the king claim?

No thoughts on anyone else in the game?

What’s the text supposed to be after the dash for the King?

Still trying to sort them out.

Just that he seems to be skating by on day 1 with a gimmick and seems to be trying to fly under the radar imho. Its a light scum lean

You realize post restriction may or may not be a thing?

That seems like a very weak reason to have someone at the bottom of your reads.

Mod confirmed our role was real.

Tbf - mod confirmed koalawang was real. We don’t actually know your role.

Anciliarry: do you have to follow my vote or are you stuck for the day on korina?

cherry picked obviously. The above posts are quite protown and that just doesn't feel like town penguin.

what? Penguin looks town so must be scum. gotcha

Going through penguins iso, what I've found is that in this game he has a lot of shitposts that seem more purposeful.
I'm not great at looking into shitposts but when the posts are like spread on in a way that they connect but are two different posts, that is generally purposeful.

So in penguin's town game he also shitposts but it doesn't feel purposeful with intent to shitpost. It feels natural and is just

there

but here it feels like he's trying to replicate his town game and knows there's a lot of shitposts so he's like throwing up shitposts everywhere.

ah, U-turn, so now Penguin's posting is not pro-town, it's just "shit"? how generous. but more importantly, since when did voting for someone because they are playing to their town-meta become a thing? baffling

I'd say all null and par for the course with noraa

[Battle Mage]

can someone give me a list of claims and mech stuff? not my forte

[Battle Mage]

so, question: why town godfather?

like, coroner for dog makes sense, since you bury a body in a hole, and dogs dig holes, so it'd make sense i'd dig up our last elim, but how does someone who appears innocent while being scum make sense for a snow leopard?

seems to make perfect sense to me flavour-wise. snow leopard - looks cute and cuddly, but liable to maim you without provocation. incredibly apt for noraa - was this pre-loaded?

[Battle Mage]

tired, will get properly stuck in here tomorrow

[Battle Mage]

I think BM is scum but I've come to terms with the fact that I think he is scum every game so I am going to wait til day 2 this to come to a conclusive read on him

yeah ill believe that when i see it

[Battle Mage]

The dilemma I face is that Nora is quite fond of these kinds of "cases" and by her own admission she had a habit of tunnelling into another player when playing as scum.

I do believe this fell off as it may have been close into entering trust tell territory.

I firmly believe Nora is town here; she is looking for a reason to find scum, to provoke action and reaction and using strange reading methods.

PEDIT: I am most amused.

I firmly don't concur with the basis of assessment - Noraa does that as town and scum. The distinction is tonal, rather than behavioural.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: superb subtlety

[Battle Mage]

lol well i timed this badly - just showed up to actually read

[Battle Mage]

ok quick reads it is!

[Battle Mage]

I find myself in agreement with Raya; Proelium Magus is a suitable compromise.

Where Rathe is rather lacking overall, they are consistently so. Battle Mage appears to make several promises that he has failed to keep, many promises of content and potentially alignment revealing thoughts. I find myself unable to reconstruct much of the Mages thoughts nor reads.

VOTE: Battle Mage

like it

VOTE: battle mage

don't like it - why?

the wagons are blah for me generally.....The Rathe wagon atp seem bad. Its possible they are newbcum but I think we need more time to sort. Honestly i have no idea on how to sort Mastina atp. Her play is just wierd but I am not sure if it just normal Mastina weird or scum Mastina weird. Like Rathe, I want to take at least another day to sort her .Also, Mastina seems like an easy mislynch for today

I agree with Reya here BM seems like a good compromise vote here. Not sure if they are scum but seems they will more likely flip scum then Mastina or Rathe

like it

VOTE: Battle Mage

Definitely not a vanity wagon now lol

don't like it

I'd be ok with battle mage. I don't see anything towny from them and I'm townreading a lot of people this game

VOTE: Battle Mage

don't like it

[Battle Mage]

Subtle is probably just OMGUSing tbf

[Battle Mage]

Penguin looks worse - random vote on page 34?

[Battle Mage]

heat on Rathe was really dumb, so agree with LHF classification. low content doesn't mean scum. so let's say:

town: Fuzzylogic, Rathe, Madhatters

[Battle Mage]

1) they jumped on a quick wagon
2) they have not explained why as far as I know
3) the voted Rathe which seems like an easy mislynch

That all applies to me as well. Why didn't you say my vote was opportunistic?

and on a similar point, why were people giving Rathe shit for not saying much, when I said fk all?

[Battle Mage]

don't like it - why?

no

[Battle Mage]

and on a similar point, why were people giving Rathe shit for not saying much, when I said fk all?

Because he was actively refusing to.

you think that's scummy!?

[Battle Mage]

re-reading the wagon on Rathe - madhatters had the idea of hunting lurkers, and did include me and rathe, so that's good. raya was good-faithing it all, so good. Korina was conspicuously opportunistic which feels more town. Worst was Superb (below), and PP who sneaked in to wagon (same as with me).

VOTE: Rathe

That last post is purely self-serving and hasn't led into anything
I feel like if he actually thought scum were pushing him because of inactivity then he would be happy to name names and actually put out some content here

^very aggressive and pushy, but narrowly focussed on Rathe - where the wagon was - and ignored me entirely until I voted Superb.

[Battle Mage]

SAM- Subtle/ I use they as not to mess up pronouns as I often do.

Battke- what do you think of Mastina . Do you have a lean for her

Penguin- True however you jumped on the wagon early when it had less steam so it seems to be less optimistic. Also your play have been a lot better then Subtle. Looking back as a whole I have become less and less impressed with Subtle overall play . They seem like they are kinda sakting by . Not as bad as Wheme imho but still skating

i try to avoid pronouns entirely nowadays and just name the player.

i shall have a squizz at mastina

[Battle Mage]

no

re-read the lead up and ask me again if you still don't get it

you have to put in some effort

nah you're just trolling, you do you

[Battle Mage]

mastina TOWN i think. over-confident open is very reminiscent of a mini theme we played together before (i forget the name) where mastina declared immortality and then tunnelled me until i died. then again, i'm not sure i have any direct meta experience of mastina-scum. Still, reads look good.

[Battle Mage]

which means mastina and rathe wagons both on town. to revisit

[Battle Mage]

s&m, korina, whemestar and noraa all claimed right? and noraa's one seemed legit from recollection, although scum presumably have safeclaims.

[Battle Mage]

Just notice all of the Rathe votes minus wheme have suddenly jumped on the BM wagon and I am not sure what to make of that

Well if we're going with Rathe is lhf and everyone moved to Battle Mage I guess we could come to the conclusion mafia are also fine with a battle mage elim.
UNVOTE:

yeah i think so, although i'm not sure we've had a wagon on scum all day. need a readslist.

[Battle Mage]

Just notice all of the Rathe votes minus wheme have suddenly jumped on the BM wagon and I am not sure what to make of that

Well if we're going with Rathe is lhf and everyone moved to Battle Mage I guess we could come to the conclusion mafia are also fine with a battle mage elim.
UNVOTE:

That would imply mastina scum

no, this is misinformation. could be all wagons on town, and scum just sitting back or trying to not be on the elim wagon

[Battle Mage]

heat on Rathe was really dumb, so agree with LHF classification. low content doesn't mean scum. so let's say:

town: Fuzzylogic, Rathe, Madhatters

I was the first to call Rathe lhf

i hadnt read that bit when i posted that - recognised subsequently, you were the pre-eminent rathe-defender

[Battle Mage]

PenguinPower - that's not a valid assessment. scum tend to want to mis-elim town but not have their fingerprints on the trigger - hence moving from 1 town wagon to another sometimes to avoid being on the mis-elim wagon/most prominent wagon.

you could be right, you could be wrong, but pretend you're definitely right is faking a level of confidence which is impossible for you to have.

[Battle Mage]

PenguinPower probably trolls me here regardless of alignment, but the lack of explanation for anything doesn't look good.

[Battle Mage]

Scum:
Superb Subtlety (alisae + jjh)
PenguinPower

town:
mastina
Noraabear
Rathe
Raya36
TheFuzzylogic99
Mad Hatters Tea Party

to sort:
WhemeStar
Korina
Smoke and Mirrors (Nancy Drew 39 + Pooky)
April Ludgate

let's re-read those claims

[Battle Mage]

PenguinPower probably trolls me here regardless of alignment, but the lack of explanation for anything doesn't look good.

i haven't trolled you yet

kindly fuck off

Please do not use abusive language towards me.

[Battle Mage]

yes yes - scum want to call attention to themselves hopping between two town wagons when the top wagon is on town.

no, you're right. lack of reads progression is a notorious towntell.

do you want to explain any of your votes yet? or just trying to annoy me?

[Battle Mage]

PenguinPower probably trolls me here regardless of alignment, but the lack of explanation for anything doesn't look good.

i haven't trolled you yet

kindly fuck off

Please do not use abusive language towards me.

Please stop misrepping me.

i'm not misrepping you, and even if i was, it wouldn't justify using bad language at me, especially after I've asked you to stop. just put your personal feelings towards me to one side and stick to the game.

[Battle Mage]

I don't explain my votes, but I have told you how you can understand it.

I don't really care to help you further.

that's fine, i'll just elim you then. i've played enough games with you to know that you are lazy as heck as scum, and motivated and productive as town. "i don't explain my votes" and dodging questions is the former.

VOTE: penguinpower

[Battle Mage]

I'm not trolling you. You saying I am is a misrep. If you're going to continue to do it, then you can kindly fuck off.

Please stop this. If you can't avoid saying mean things to me, is it really that difficult to just leave me alone? You know i am notoriously easy to rile up, and I think you're trying to get under my skin on purpose as a strategy, which is super poor form.

If you continue, that's fine, I'll just ignore your posts (and won't be missing much as you won't answer any questions anyway).

[Battle Mage]

let's focus on the game and get back to those claims!

[Battle Mage]

hold on a minute, if Korina is coroner, and Whemestar is janitor, doesn't that mean Whemestar is scum? why would you have a town janitor?

but whemestar claimed janitor voluntarily, so there must be something mech-wise i don't understand. can anyone explain?

[Battle Mage]

I legit have no idea what you are talking about. You seem to think we're a lot more familiar with each other than we are.

i've played several games with you, so i do have a good grasp of your meta. as you're pretending otherwise, i'll find some links so others can look too.

[Battle Mage]

3 previous games I played with PenguinPower which illustrate the meta pretty well:

Open 780 (Chromavalon): viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83211

PenguinPower-town is defacto town leader and lots of examples of scumhunting and actively pushing for people to EXPLAIN THINGS. This in the context of a game where the mechanic made it risky for town to explain too much. PenguinPower was a dominant presence, putting meaningful pressure on people (not just naked voting).

Open 784 (Hard-Boiled): viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83417

PenguinPower-scum is coasting - mostly 1 liners and votes without explanation. When questioned and put under pressure, refuses to respond and gets salty about it.

Open 795 (Noir): viewtopic.php?f=94&t=83998

PenguinPower-scum is coasting - mostly 1 liners and votes without explanation.

[Battle Mage]

so with respect PenguinPower, I can read you easily because you play completely differently when you're scum compared to when you're town.

[Battle Mage]

the contrast is stark. but it doesn't matter, we either elim you today or i target you tonight.

[Battle Mage]

I'll go back to finish my readslist when someone turns up who can talk me through the setup stuff. townpoints up for grabs!

[Battle Mage]

PenguinPower-town is defacto town leader and lots of examples of scumhunting and actively pushing for people to EXPLAIN THINGS. This in the context of a game where the mechanic made it risky for town to explain too much. PenguinPower was a dominant presence, putting meaningful pressure on people (not just naked voting).

i just skimmed this game - are we reading the same game or our you on something?

we both actually played this game, not that long ago. i completely bombed as scum, maybe my worst scumgame ever - I remember it all vividly.

But the beauty of posting links is everyone can read for themselves and form their own opinion. And then I can sort them too.

[Battle Mage]

for thread (and my) health i'm just gonna disengage with bm

because i've got you bang to rights and there's literally nothing you can do. best case scenario you die tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: penguinpower

(For the record I do think that BM v PP is TvT here--the push from Battle Mage looks town but PP's response to it also looks town in a way I don't think he can make if he were scum.)

No! not TvT!

PP's response was to initially dismiss it because it was a limited sample (in my view, implying the observations were valid based on the evidence) and didn't count, and then tried to argue that the observations were not valid. It's inconsistent, clutching at straws, and in general PP's response to me has just been to ignore the game-related stuff and be more personal. The player is demonstrably capable of that as scum - I even referenced a game where that was the case. Would quotes help?

[Battle Mage]

Oh before I read and no doubt get distracted again, my ultility is spent and I will fullclaim.

I am a Dormouse; a 1-shot combined loyal neighbouriser and compulsive hider, Smoke and Mirrors was my target last night, I have had no response from my action. My understanding of my role PM is that I will resolve before all other actions.

I can confirm this.

[Battle Mage]

well i can confirm most of it haha

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Smoke and Mirrors

[Battle Mage]

Oh before I read and no doubt get distracted again, my ultility is spent and I will fullclaim.

I am a Dormouse; a 1-shot combined loyal neighbouriser and compulsive hider, Smoke and Mirrors was my target last night, I have had no response from my action. My understanding of my role PM is that I will resolve before all other actions.

Neat. You understand nar wrong, as you could still be roleblocked or S&M could be untargetable etc but that is pretty reliable as guilties go

I do not support ending the day until I've spoken to some people though

NAR 1 is presumably before roleblocks. If S&M was untargetable, surely they would have said?

talk to me while I'm here

[Battle Mage]

What results did you get then, BM

Probably better not to go into details but I investigated MHTP last night and they are town.

[Battle Mage]

Oh before I read and no doubt get distracted again, my ultility is spent and I will fullclaim.

I am a Dormouse; a 1-shot combined loyal neighbouriser and compulsive hider, Smoke and Mirrors was my target last night, I have had no response from my action. My understanding of my role PM is that I will resolve before all other actions.

I can confirm this.

I thought you were targeting me.

I was going to - then I changed my mind because I was already convinced of you being scum.

[Battle Mage]

I was going to - then I changed my mind because I was already convinced of you being scum.

mmhmmm

don't be sour

[Battle Mage]

Anyone else gonna claim shit? Lol

I AM THE GREATEST LISTMOD!

winner

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

Maybe MHTP just got a false result on us but BM jumping on us is definitely scum.

lol what?

[Battle Mage]

I am indeed NAR 1. I was unsure if I would be permitted to proclaim that part of my role.

My understanding of the loyal modifier is that my action only succeeds when I target someone of the same alignment, my claim therefore enforces a 1vs1 scenario which is such a suboptimal play to the point of a potential game throw as scum.

ah maybe i shouldnt have said that. just wanted to demonstrate my own claim is also legit

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

Maybe MHTP just got a false result on us but BM jumping on us is definitely scum.

lol what?

I know whatever their reason is, it’s wrong but no way you jumping on us like that ever comes from town.

so you're saying you think the player claiming a guilty on you could be misguided town, but somebody following the claimed guilty is scum? hope you've got a long list of scum then as I'm sure I won't be the last one

[Battle Mage]

I dislike the attempt to disengage the 1vs1 the setup has engineered for myself and Smoke and Mirrors.

it's not really a 1v1 now I'm vouching for your role, and also why would you fakeclaim there as scum anyway? unless you really hated pandas

[Battle Mage]

Who did you hide on, MHTP?

is this a joke? they already claimed.

[Battle Mage]

Well, if it was town who interfered with it then that's cool as they will claim it

I'm not one to leave a guilty hanging, though

I don’t care if you’re purposely being stupid here or what. I’m literally fucking telling you there is no fucking way in hell we’re scum here and I will fucking do whatever’s fucking necessary to prove it because I’m not fucking lying.

i know probably nobody cares, but I don't like or approve of this abusive language. it's completely unnecessary.

[Battle Mage]

@SS maybe you’re scum who bussed TFL because you know I’m not lying and for some reason you obviously don’t care, so I want to know why? Why don’t you believe me?

this is an odd portrayal of someone who appears to be doing everything in their power to give you the benefit of the doubt

[Battle Mage]

Well, if it was town who interfered with it then that's cool as they will claim it

I'm not one to leave a guilty hanging, though

I don’t care if you’re purposely being stupid here or what. I’m literally fucking telling you there is no fucking way in hell we’re scum here and I will fucking do whatever’s fucking necessary to prove it because I’m not fucking lying.

i know probably nobody cares, but I don't like or approve of this abusive language. it's completely unnecessary.

Well I don’t like being wrongly sr and/or miselimed, so deal with it.

no, that's not an acceptable response. just cool it with the cussing.

[Battle Mage]

Anyway, yeah, obviously I hard bussed a scum dayvig and then shot myself

is there an award for most kamikaze scumplay?

[Battle Mage]

can we just elim this already?

i'm done for the day i think

[Battle Mage]

If you have an explanation for the lack of hood then you should have outed that some time ago. If not, I dunno what would be worth claiming here

I don't think that's what they meant.

[Battle Mage]

I am explicitly not done for the day

If you have an explanation for the lack of hood then you should have outed that some time ago. If not, I dunno what would be worth claiming here

Why are you being so antitown?

[Battle Mage]

I am not strongly opposed to your elim

That's not the same thing as being anti-town

genuinely - why are you so reluctant to think Smoke and Mirrors is scum? there's good-faith, and then there's whatever this is....

[Battle Mage]

I am explicitly not done for the day

If you have an explanation for the lack of hood then you should have outed that some time ago. If not, I dunno what would be worth claiming here

Why are you being so antitown?

Flip this next please.

I think it’s pretty damned obvious BM is scum here. How are you seriously not seeing this?

i thought you agreed to leave me alone if i let your behaviour slide?

[Battle Mage]

oh, and to whomever imposed the post restriction on me, you have my thanks. As tempting as the negatives were, kudos should be given where it is due.

You got given a post restriction?

One I have completed. The first post of the day I was to make had some required content or face a penalty. Said content could not be obfuscated, hidden or shenaniganised in any form.

that opens the dor to some possibilities

[Battle Mage]

Can we elim BM today?

That would be nice.

Yeah, TFL voted BM then immediately tried to shift to people who he said were suspicious for BM votes

He has something to do with MHTP’s results, bank on it.

Some reason you’re ignoring this @MHTP? He’s way to eager to ram my miselim through. This isn’t town. He’s some how responsible for your result.

BM had sus interactions with TFL and now he’s hard driving my miselim. Please think people. God!

Very Well.

Interactions that can prevent my neighbourising are Roleblock and Redirection.
I had claimed no hostile ability, simply that I hold the loyal modifier in 2 crumbs.
Given the great effect of Mastinas claim, she would then become a greater priority target.
A redirection action from yourself to scum seems incredibly unlikely.

If you do flip green, Battle Mage will be subject to scrutiny.
I had claimed I believe Koalawang to be antitown and a distraction ability - balanced by the cost of it this seems appropriate.

Mechanically you are now the best elimination.

are you picking up what i'm putting down?

[Battle Mage]

But yeah, if you missed that then other people might have done:

Please tell me if you got the badger song in N1

This is a beautiful role PM that works on many levels because I must find and identify the badgers as they pop up randomly across the game

Juat gonna pagetop this

no badgers here

[Battle Mage]

For what pittance it may be worth, Nancy, I do believe this may be a false guilty from your continued reactions. However, the risk cannot be taken. Would you care to commune with your other head and gather together a reads list?

yeah, I sort of agree - they are fighting very hard, and in a very obscene way, which seems more town. But frankly I'm baffled that people are having real doubts about the correct play today. It's an investigative guilty - yes it could be wrong, but the odds are pretty slim, and slim enough that we shouldn't be even remotely considering any alternative. Mafia can be simple.

[Battle Mage]

Their role is mod confirmed

one aspect of it is

[Battle Mage]

my pagetop

[Battle Mage]

my pagetop

[Battle Mage]

mmmmmmmmmmm

[Battle Mage]

weekend V/LA until Monday PM

[Battle Mage]

uhhhhh it's still dayphase?

[Battle Mage]

I got badgers!

[Battle Mage]

I got badgers!

And that's 2


I think Korina believes you are a cop and wants to know what your results are this time round

I figure you're a rolecop who checked Mad Hatters in N1 and so verified the roleclaim

Which one are you?

ah yeah I'm a rolecop but only 1-shot. hence trying to not-so-subtly crumb the flavour which hadn't been publically claimed

massclaim works for me - only 1 scum left!

[Battle Mage]

Where's battle mage gone

I am really hoping I'm wrong and he's a full cop with an inno on someone that isn't basically conftown

lol i was at work, i just popped on coz I got your badger video

[Battle Mage]

Just for future claims, please don't omit your flavour so we don't end up in this situation where we're waiting around

I want full claims

I'm a robin, no other powers.

[Battle Mage]

yeah that was pretty shitty.

I concede

obviously.

[Battle Mage]

happy for scum PT to be released. we played crap this game, and although bad luck played a part, town clearly deserved the win. But i maintain the game was too townsided. closed setup, with everyone seemingly having a PR, and no scum fakeclaims. as soon as we lost Fuzzy, we were pretty much done.

that being said, it was enjoyable for what it was

[Battle Mage]

I actually killed Superb Subtlety last night, so I guess someone messed with my target too. Even with half the list claiming, and a rolecop power, I still don't know what's going on

[Battle Mage]

You should never have lost Fuzzy

You had a scum dayvig

Nobody elims a dayvig claim

true, but once we had, it was done.

[Battle Mage]

there was no long term mileage in koalawang

[Battle Mage]

I thought you were crumbing friendly neighbour btw, Penguin

Nope. I was an Inexperienced Challenged Post Restricter.

i knew that. it didn't help.

[Battle Mage]

I actually killed Superb Subtlety last night, so I guess someone messed with my target too. Even with half the list claiming, and a rolecop power, I still don't know what's going on

Mastina was a bodyguard

so it redirects to her? I thought she did that as a 1-shot thing, and then it was done?

[Battle Mage]

there's no way a closed setup with a scum dayvig is townsided lol

nah disagree. coz even if the dayvig lives and shoots...clearly once everyone's claimed, the possibility of a scum dayvig isn't going to seem that implausible. it gave us 1 extra kill, and a reasonable fakeclaim, but that's it.

[Battle Mage]

the 1 shot part was bulletproof

she was a permanent bodyguard

lol why didnt you tell me that!? I said tell me everything you know about the mech before you die? ffs

[Battle Mage]

there's no way a closed setup with a scum dayvig is townsided lol

nah disagree. coz even if the dayvig lives and shoots...clearly once everyone's claimed, the possibility of a scum dayvig isn't going to seem that implausible. it gave us 1 extra kill, and a reasonable fakeclaim, but that's it.

uh you're just wrong here lol

nah disagree. the dayvig had to fire on day 2? you dont think town is going to look at that slot in ExLo? plus there was so much hidden mechanics to fall into. i'm convinced it was super scumsided and nobody will convince me otherwise - i lived it.

[Battle Mage]

you're assuming this is a normalish game, which it isnt. people are gonna be suspicious if the dayvig lives until day 5

[Battle Mage]

the 1 shot part was bulletproof

she was a permanent bodyguard

lol why didnt you tell me that!? I said tell me everything you know about the mech before you die? ffs

i didnt think i needed to tell you what she claimed in the thread dude lol

*shrug* it wasn't clear to me from the way the claim was phrased. you still could've told me, but w/e. man this was shit.

[Battle Mage]

This was an incredible game and setup.

Many thanks, once again to Xtoxm to stepping in for us.

For what it's worth, I was heavily debating aiming at someone I had a strong townread on, or using the shot - as I did - upon someone I suspect.

Kudos to you as well, Battle Mage. you played well.

A final observation on balance - if you have a 13 player game, where the scum team's chances are reliant on 1 player surviving to the end, it's not a good sign. PS: Sorry you died Fuzzy....

the only silver linings are:

I didn't get killed by noraa
It was over quick

[Battle Mage]

also thanks MHTP!

[Battle Mage]

you're assuming this is a normalish game, which it isnt. people are gonna be suspicious if the dayvig lives until day 5

ok sure but like think of how many mis-elims you can force thru as a scum day-vig.

its like default leadership position

maybe, but this is a weird setup, so I dunno. even if fuzzy survives day 1, mastina/SS are still townleaders on Day 2 I think, even with the dayvig.

fundamentally, mafia is a game about an informed minority, and here we were not remotely informed in the context of the whole game (partly due to our own ineptitude admittedly) *grumbles*

anyway i'm salty dude, just let me moan

[Battle Mage]

the power of a scum day-vig is you get an extra kill and you also can force mis-elims thru by seizing thread control as a semi-confirmed role.

also mastina being a bulletproof bodyguard can easily explain why fuzzy would survive long.

i'd argue lots of roles in this game were easily confirmable, and there's fundamentally no reason why a dayvig would be any less likely to be scum than many of them. Let's just agree to disagree lol I'm sure most people will see it your way, but for me I don't think I'd have fancied my chances winning this game even as a scum dayvig, with both my teammates gone by Night 2.

[Battle Mage]

in fairness, the game was advertised as being swingy, so it's not a complaint really. it just sucked that we took a massive swing on Day 1.

hopefully there's not an award for worst scumteam performance

[Battle Mage]

I mean I literally told you he needed to claim when he was on 2 votes because he was going to get flashwagonned at deadline and you said it was impossible to happen

so im not sure why you're disagreeing with me now...

yep i admitted at the time I was wrong on that! Just because I was wrong once, doesn't mean I'm always wrong. Also, it's not solely my fault Fuzzy died Day 1 - like you could've done something too?

[Battle Mage]

yea let's just mail it in and forget this ever happened

i was so tilted lolol

man you werent even tilted, you had mentally written it off by night 1. it was just like "guys w/e, let's just do stuff and not stress"

[Battle Mage]

I can't role claim for him dude lol

you should've scumslipped or something koalawang host, come on!

[Battle Mage]

I think it was Fuzzy's fault that Fuzzy died on day 1 because I caught him doing scum things and was absolutely convinced I had caught scum

This being said I would probably have been swayed if he'd claimed dayvig because that's how powerful a scum dayvig is

lol i think fuzzy not being able to claim hurt for sure.

[Battle Mage]

i was tilted so hard by him not listening to me on the roleclaim that I was mentally checked out lol

i think even nancy would say we were slightly unlucky at how badly this went

[Battle Mage]

i couldve not claimed the badger thing, but there was no way to really know exactly what the deal was - maybe not claiming it would've confscumed me.

[Battle Mage]

I did actually ask for FL to target me at some point in D1- if you were particularly observant then you may have come to the conclusion that I was reflexive

The idea of gambitting only occurred to me during N1 when I figured the two options were that I got NKed or I got NKed and protected by someone, and then I gradually honed the idea for how I could gambit until I just came up with the vaguely plausible fake roleclaim in hope of finding a scum.

I realised S&M must have got the video when Nancy said something like "Did you send me something? I didn't get it" because that kind of misinterpretation of my claim wouldn't have occurred unless she actually got the video, so felt safe enough to assume S&M did the kill on N2- especially since if I was wrong then scum were hiding the video and therefore were suspicious of me anyway, so I had nothing to lose in that assumption

particularly observant? ha, you've got the wrong guy!

[Battle Mage]

Just glad that I had enough doubt of Fuzzy to keep the jailer part a secret

it wouldnt have mattered - fuzzy never told us about being neighbourised lol

[Battle Mage]

Really? Why?
Did you not have daytalk?

no idea, we only found out when you claimed it. lol

[Battle Mage]

it might've been ok, you were towards the top of the 'to kill' list because everyone conftown was locktowning you

[Battle Mage]

Oh it was raya? I KNEW IT OMG

no it was BM BM conceded

wait who was the last scum?

LOL

[Battle Mage]

no it was BM BM conceded

ah I always SR him so I shall not take credit for that.

in fact it's the only game ever you havent SRed me, and I think the only game ever we've both survived more than 1 day-night phase. which is a mutual win!

[Battle Mage]

lol not scared - justifiably cautious!

nancy and mastina...now xD

[Battle Mage]

haha <3

there's also a certain irony in me being very keen NOT to kill Mastina N1, and then accidentally killing mastina on N2.

[Battle Mage]

Honestly, you tried too hard to kill me

we tried to kill you once lol

[Battle Mage]

BM’s role was intended to be fully claimable, and to look town given the two rolecop millers in the game.

Wheme’s vengejanitor was the only use of the coroner.

Power level for the roles was in order, top to bottom.

yeah but once my teammates were dead, claiming it would've forced me to narrow the field too much to have a chance of winning. so forced to claim 1 shot.

[Battle Mage]

That means I was wrong to assume S&M got a badger video then

yeah i didn't understand this - you claiming they had got the badger video, which would have meant it wasn't linked to targetting. ah well, it was odd that everyone assumed you were targetted N1.

[Battle Mage]

Nah, rolecop doesn't take anyone out of the POE

lol of course it does.

if i target Rathe, I have to confirm the player is town.

[Battle Mage]

The real problem was that once you claimed a badger video, I figured town!you would have no reason to target me with either a rolecop or a cop and thus you were extremely likely to be scum, especially since if you'd targeted me with a rolecop you'd have realised what was up so it had to be the kill

yeah but because you'd lied about S&M, there's really no way I could ever have guessed the truth

[Battle Mage]

Wow, really? That's actually pretty surprising

Were they that scared of her saying she had a really strong power role?

nah Nancy just really wanted Mastina dead

[Battle Mage]

pagetop

[Battle Mage]

there's no way a closed setup with a scum dayvig is townsided lol

We had a role where actual prizes were expected, which we could obviously never actually deliver on, so making up a fake prize was bound to bite us in the ass, because there’s was no way to actually confirm it.

yeah that's true

there's no way a closed setup with a scum dayvig is townsided lol

nah disagree. coz even if the dayvig lives and shoots...clearly once everyone's claimed, the possibility of a scum dayvig isn't going to seem that implausible. it gave us 1 extra kill, and a reasonable fakeclaim, but that's it.

uh you're just wrong here lol

No because you’re completely forgetting how our role basically fucked us because we had to declare a winner but were not given mod confirmable prizes to hand out. Also one shot perma day &night bg is whack but Fuzzy needed to claim dayvig. Also I wanted to selfhammer when Penguin put us at E-1 but BM wanted the day to last as long as possible, so I probably shouldn’t have listened to that.

lol if the day had ended early i'd just have missed the whole nightphase. which would only have further lowered odds, and dragged everything out. also, general rule of thumb not to self-hammer as scum when your teammates are on wagon.

[Battle Mage]

i couldve not claimed the badger thing, but there was no way to really know exactly what the deal was - maybe not claiming it would've confscumed me.

Had I self-hammered when Penguin had me at E-1, it probably would have helped. Great shot however. I’m glad you didn’t NK Noraa, not that would have actually changed anything.

lol i couldnt really justify NKing noraa when nearly half the town was conftown by Day 3.

[Battle Mage]

In your situation Nancy, I would have fully commited to the self-hammer. Prolonging the day is only going to provide town with additional power and talk time.

they could have self-hammered early, but the early interactions with me were gross, so they needed time to cover that over. My only real ask was don't self-hammer just as I'm about to go on V/LA for the entire nightphase duration

[Battle Mage]

Wow, really? That's actually pretty surprising

Were they that scared of her saying she had a really strong power role?

nah Nancy just really wanted Mastina dead

No but we figured SS was doc’d and we obviously should have killed MHTP but you wanted to whack Noraa who was 0 threat to all of us the entire game but we were unable to convince you of that.

lol Nancy you know that's not true, and that's partly why you don't want to release the PT. I won't say anything further to spare your blushes, but in painting yourself as a genius, please try not to paint me as an even bigger idiot than i actually am...

[Battle Mage]

This was an incredible game and setup.

Many thanks, once again to Xtoxm to stepping in for us.

For what it's worth, I was heavily debating aiming at someone I had a strong townread on, or using the shot - as I did - upon someone I suspect.

Kudos to you as well, Battle Mage. you played well.

A final observation on balance - if you have a 13 player game, where the scum team's chances are reliant on 1 player surviving to the end, it's not a good sign. PS: Sorry you died Fuzzy....

the only silver linings are:

I didn't get killed by noraa
It was over quick

I didn’t bother reading anything after we died. Why did you conceded? Something to do with the badger thing?

you didn't miss much. I accidentally killed mastina, and got done by the mushroom power role. it was pretty unavoidable, because the player had lied about how it worked, so I had no way of knowing. It was basically another guilty check, so i conceded before inevitably dying.

[Battle Mage]

Wow, really? That's actually pretty surprising

Were they that scared of her saying she had a really strong power role?

nah Nancy just really wanted Mastina dead

No but we figured SS was doc’d and we obviously should have killed MHTP but you wanted to whack Noraa who was 0 threat to all of us the entire game but we were unable to convince you of that.

lol Nancy you know that's not true, and that's partly why you don't want to release the PT. I won't say anything further to spare your blushes, but in painting yourself as a genius, please try not to paint me as an even bigger idiot than i actually am...

Not the PT, discord. Well I have extremely good reasons to 100% know why Noraa kill was 100% suboptimal and you needed to trust me on being 100% right on that but unfortunately I couldn’t convince you. :/

nancy, i literally let you pick the kill. you tried to kill mastina. it failed. so not only did you not need to convince me, but you were also proven wrong.

objectively, killing noraa would not have been worse with the benefit of hindsight we now have.

and even without that benefit of hindsight, your reasoning was, as I explained several times, not robust. It is very very rare for towns to focus solely on NK WIFOM to determine who they elim. I can only speak to my own experience, but I've played exactly 50 games in the last 14 months, and I think that happened in maybe 2? More often what happens is either:

1. Towns don't bother speculating about why a particular player got killed.
2. Towns speculate about why a player got killed, and then someone points out it's WIFOM and people move on.

If it's something you've come across more frequently, that's fine, but I'd never be basing my NK strategy off it given the stats. And particularly so in the circumstances of this game where we couldn't really afford to make mistakes at night (and in practice, we did nothing but make mistakes).

But the bottom line is, you are entitled to disagree with me, but to completely dismiss my opinion in the manner you did at the time, was not courteous.

[Battle Mage]

Is mafia pt released yet?

It was requested that we keep it redacted.

BM wanted Noraa dead and I was hard opposed and things kind of got a bit uncomfortable at that point but BM and me are 100% good now, right @BM? <3

err no that's not exactly what happened. a more accurate account would be:

Pooky and I thought we should kill Noraa
You were desperate to kill Mastina (for fundamentally similar, but weaker, reasons than the case for killing noraa)
You browbeated Pooky and I endlessly to try and convince us Mastina was the optimal kill.
Pooky eventually agreed, I did not.
I said, you will not convince me, but I'm happy for us to go with your opinion.
You were angry I didn't fully agree with you, and spoke to me very disrespectfully - indicating you have a very high opinion of yourself and a low opinion of me.

I think it's a shame now that you can't even be honest about that, but whatever. My reputation on this site will always be of a (at best) mediocre player, and I'm pretty comfortable admitting my weaknesses and failures. And there's nothing wrong with you having a big ego and thinking you're a brilliant player who knows best - for all I know, maybe you are a brilliant player! But in mafia, and in life, you will sometimes be able to learn something even from those beneath yourself - but you need to listen and see that everyone has something valuable to bring to the table.

I don't want any of this to sound like 'holier than thou' BS from me - as I said in the PT, we all had plenty of things to learn from in this game. Perhaps I should have been more assertive; certainly I should have been more engaged. And to be clear, you seem to me like a nice and genuine person at heart, who really invests a lot of emotion in these games - which is great. So no hard feelings on it - what happens in the game, stays in the game.

-BM out-

[Battle Mage]

@BM, I apologize if that how what I said made you feel that your opinion was dismissed. I get extremely frustrated when I don’t think I’m being listened to but probably could have handled that a lot better.

apology accepted - and I'll reciprocate the apology, given you felt I didn't give your ideas enough of a chance. I think it was just 2 people who genuinely had completely different experiences and perspectives - and as I said at the time, we were never going to agree, so we just had to agree to disagree and move forward. We're all good from my perspective.

-now BM out-