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RVS is a vehicle to get us somewhere and 'don't ask questions' works opposite to that somewhere, which was more to go off of than 'greetings tell' in the case of Andresvmb.
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Post #101 (isolation #10) » Sat May 22, 2021 2:06 pm
Postby UneveN »
In post 100, Moongrass wrote:I think Sigmund is town for all the reason's you're frustrated with him Mr. NEE.
Have to be careful with secret alts - I think there are a lot of players capable of playing like this for 'fun' knowing that it is somewhat likely to be townread in this way.
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Post #103 (isolation #11) » Sat May 22, 2021 2:18 pm
Postby UneveN »
In post 102, Moongrass wrote:I've just never known this to be a successful scum strategy. How would you manipulate the town to do your bidding playing like that? It's a lose lose strat.
I guess I had not considered that it might continue like this indefinitely.
In post 24, ta vera wrote:it had nothing to do with the target of the wagon
unless vfp had some greater reason for targeting them.
what?
It seemed like an odd thing for an uninformed to be thinking about. I asked why a no questions RVS wagon on Moongrass was good and you said it doesn't matter that it was Moongrass unless VFP had other reasons but... what would those reasons even be? Do you have any theories about the ways in which the game is too complex to be a normal?
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Post #214 (isolation #17) » Sun May 23, 2021 3:17 pm
Postby UneveN »
In post 212, Sigmund wrote:90% of the posts are a townie shitpushing another townie
Not sure the math checks out on this one. And the assumptions feel dangerous, though probably less so to you as you can assume that you are town without much danger.
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Post #218 (isolation #19) » Sun May 23, 2021 3:33 pm
Postby UneveN »
In post 217, Something_Smart wrote:or what, I don't understand. Clearly I haven't even attempted to get involved in the game yet, unless you think that I'm SO bad at it that I literally went to post and couldn't come up with ANYTHING.
Something_Smart: I am having trouble becoming involved in the game.
In post 217, Something_Smart wrote:or what, I don't understand. Clearly I haven't even attempted to get involved in the game yet, unless you think that I'm SO bad at it that I literally went to post and couldn't come up with ANYTHING.
Something_Smart: I am having trouble becoming involved in the game.
In post 217, Something_Smart wrote:or what, I don't understand. Clearly I haven't even attempted to get involved in the game yet, unless you think that I'm SO bad at it that I literally went to post and couldn't come up with ANYTHING.
Something_Smart: I am having trouble becoming involved in the game.
Sigmund: Don't worry I got you.
This seems unlikely.
But not... impossible? Or even extremely unlikely? Hm. I have found that town are more likely to immediately reply like this when mentioned at the very least.
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Post #247 (isolation #22) » Sun May 23, 2021 3:58 pm
Postby UneveN »
In post 245, Sigmund wrote:Yea I'm sure it's just a coincidence you would pop in and have time to post when you're getting swung at but when nothing's coming your way you can't post.
Is this how mafia generally respond to this in your experience? Reappearing from absence into this situation as opposed to waiting slightly longer and engaging less specifically?
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Post #255 (isolation #23) » Sun May 23, 2021 4:09 pm
Postby UneveN »
In post 251, Sigmund wrote:generally do scum respond immediately on ghosting? Who the fuck knows I haven't done a scientific study and I don't care.
I think town often go 'hey wait that is me you are calling out for being absent! and I am town!' and respond accordingly. Whereas mafia usually wait but...
In post 255, UneveN wrote:'thread is dense' rings hollow with me as well.
You think I'm scum and called the thread dense knowing that it wasn't? Or you think my faculty for judging how dense a thread is is dependent on my alignment?
None of the above, really. More 'I have not been engaging because thread is dense' feels less like how the thread is and more like something to say. Like difficulty engaging makes sense, there's already been shitpushing into a replacement and a lot of absence and people who are here seemingly 'waiting' for lack of a better word, but 'thread is dense' doesn't feel... right, to me.
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Post #323 (isolation #29) » Mon May 24, 2021 1:44 pm
Postby UneveN »
In post 284, northsidegal wrote:do you really believe that at this point in the game scum needs to be explicitly posting with some kind of "agenda" rather than just blending in via asking questions?
If you think this is what I am doing why not attempt to interact with me? It is strange that both you and ta vera (at an earlier point) have both been happy to simply say 'UneveN is at/near the bottom of my list!' while making no moves towards sorting me.
How are you feeling about my alignment these days?
if you ask me this question right now, i'd have to go ISO you because i don't think you've been involved in anything so far realy?
But... ta vera had stated long before this that she had a negative gut feeling about me, and I was looking to see if that would be expanded upon in anyway. Why would I be asking you this question?
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Post #453 (isolation #31) » Tue May 25, 2021 5:15 am
Postby UneveN »
In post 363, Iconeum wrote:am i being annoyed by town!moon or is this just straight up scumplay poking in any and all directions looking for something that sticks?
i'm not sure rn
I guess this is what I kinda felt like northsidegal and ta vera to some extent were doing. Testing waters/seeing if I was a good place to pressure. But northsidegal did kinda say she was doing that in the 'directionless' post so maybe it is unfair of me to have a negative feeling about this.
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Post #454 (isolation #32) » Tue May 25, 2021 5:18 am
Postby UneveN »
In post 402, Iconeum wrote:going through Uneven's ISO, there's a few good posts in there that i can agree with, but overall i don't see a single conclusion or actual solving
Too early for conclusions. Also, "actual solving" lol.
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Post #497 (isolation #36) » Tue May 25, 2021 4:47 pm
Postby UneveN »
In post 494, Something_Smart wrote:It's just really hard for me to take Sigmund seriously at this point.
Which could be by design.
So you took Sigmund pushing you seriously even though he shitpushed NorwegianboyEE, Moongrass found this suspicious, to which you replied something along the lines of 'why wouldn't I take him seriously?', and now you find it hard to take Sigmund seriously. Interesting stuff.
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Post #567 (isolation #37) » Thu May 27, 2021 4:13 am
Postby UneveN »
In post 565, VFP wrote:I think Ta, SS, and Andre is a decent lim pool.
I would replace Andresvmb with Iconeum here. And outside of NorwegianboyEE's exit northsidegal has not felt particularly towny to me but I am willing to trust Sigmund on this matter at this time.
In post 565, VFP wrote:I think Ta, SS, and Andre is a decent lim pool.
I would replace Andresvmb with Iconeum here. And outside of NorwegianboyEE's exit northsidegal has not felt particularly towny to me but I am willing to trust Sigmund on this matter at this time.
it's an interesting turn of phrase here to say that willing to trust sigmund on the matter. do you mean that you agree with his logic on norwee being town, or that you don't really see it yourself but you're agreeing because you think sigmund is town and trust his judgment? it's possible i'm reading into stuff too much here, but i'm just interested to hear a bit more of your thought process.
is your reason for scumreading ta vera mainly what you brought up in 453?
I do not really see it myself but I am agreeing because I think Sigmund is town and you are not at the top of my most desirable elimination list. Sigmund has a fire, for lack of a better word, and you can say he is playing a character and so forth but it feels like there is a fire and mafia generally are not particularly good at simulating that.
It is both what I brought up there and that she seemed frustrated that I was being townread in a way that mafia have before. Like the town is 'letting me' skate by through the parts of the game where I 'should' be miselimable and allowing me to potentially reach the part of the game where I can be semi-useful.
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Post #616 (isolation #39) » Thu May 27, 2021 12:59 pm
Postby UneveN »
In post 615, UneveN wrote:Sigmund has a fire, for lack of a better word, and you can say he is playing a character and so forth but it feels like there is a fire and mafia generally are not particularly good at simulating that.
Though there is still that Something_Smart connection in the back of my mind.
It didn't really feel to me like she was really disagreeing with the read or that she thought Moongrass was likely to be mafia because of it just seemed... frustrated by my being townread.
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Post #633 (isolation #42) » Thu May 27, 2021 1:59 pm
Postby UneveN »
In post 627, northsidegal wrote:what do you mean when you say "emulated behavior"? and, just to be clear, i'm not saying that post is alignment indicative, i'm just saying that it's non-associative-indicative.
I mean that I believe that post to be a behaviour that ta vera has observed other alts engaging in and deployed it here to obscure herself. I do not believe it to be non-associative indicative as even if she is your partner a) that does not necessarily mean she has revealed her identity to you and b) there are other players in the game.
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Post #637 (isolation #43) » Thu May 27, 2021 2:23 pm
Postby UneveN »
In post 635, northsidegal wrote:do you have a specific reason to believe that that post was just a copy of observations of how other alts behave, or is it just working backwards from already thinking that ta vera is scum?
Huh? It was working backwards from the fact that ta vera is an alt, not scum. I already stated that I do not believe it to be alignment indicative. I think the post was sincere in that ta vera is indeed trying to hide her identity and would prefer not to be outed, but the asking you not to if discovered and such is a behaviour of some alts that I believe she has observed as I have also observed it.
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Post #641 (isolation #44) » Thu May 27, 2021 2:40 pm
Postby UneveN »
In post 640, northsidegal wrote:hm. i think i may be a little confused here over the connotations of "emulated behavior" and "a behaviour that ta vera has observed other alts engaging in and deployed it here to obscure herself".
when you say that it's a behavior of some alts that you believe she has observed, what conclusion exactly do you draw / do you think that i should draw from that? i feel as though i'm missing something here.
I think the connotations are simply that it is not alignment indicative as it is an emulated behaviour meant to obscure her identity as an alt not her alignment in the game.
I think the parts that are missing are because I am attempting to honour her wishes for us to not engage in actively alt-hunting. I just said that I felt it was an emulated behaviour to say 'I do not think that is relevant to her alignment or to her likelihood of being northsidegal's partner'.
I am also an alt. I have engaged in behaviours/patterns on this account that I do not on others. Those are not alignment indicative in the same way.
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Post #654 (isolation #47) » Thu May 27, 2021 3:51 pm
Postby UneveN »
In post 650, Moongrass wrote:@Uneven what about those interactions makes Andre seem towny to you?
I think mostly that they made sense and there was an order to the progression. Most town just do that because of how they process the game but mafia have to compile and it didn't feel compiled to me.
I am town and we have four-ish days until deadline and you're going to be v/la for most of that so if you could land somewhere else before then it'd be appreciated.
I am town and we have four-ish days until deadline and you're going to be v/la for most of that so if you could land somewhere else before then it'd be appreciated.
what's your VFP case again?
I am unsure as to what you are talking about. Unless you mean my vote which has been there since RVS and was just my first toe in the water of the game.
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Post #848 (isolation #53) » Fri May 28, 2021 4:40 pm
Postby UneveN »
In post 837, sang froid wrote:nsg, if I can’t sell you on Sigmund by EoD would you be willing to compromise on uneven?
Hm. So you are after me because... you dislike that I said ta vera was solving in italics and with a ~ preceding it on page one? To indicate that I was saying it aware of the objection you are now making?
In post 837, sang froid wrote:And moongrass, could you elaborate further on uneven and why you think he’s town?
Because ta vera’s approach to my slot as discussed in 615 and 620 and also because the conclusions of sang froid’s catch-up felt predetermined and the way they talked about ta vera reminded me of mafia play.
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Post #889 (isolation #56) » Mon May 31, 2021 2:24 am
Postby UneveN »
In post 880, sang froid wrote:Justify your work. What felt pre-determined and what about my talk about the predecessor was reminiscent of mafia play?
Your conclusions with regards to both me and Sigmund felt like they were made before the catchup and the purpose of the catchup was to justify them. I have noticed players replacing into mafia slots sometimes say their predecessor was very unideal -or- that they were most excellent ('so sad i'm replacing this slot, want to hydra sometime') and players replacing into town slots mostly ignore that their predecessors ever existed. There may be a sample size issue to that but it is something I noted at some point.
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Post #902 (isolation #59) » Mon May 31, 2021 8:29 am
Postby UneveN »
In post 901, sang froid wrote:Okay, but why? What actually makes them seem like they were pre-determined other than those being my reads?
It didn't feel like your reasoning with regards to me added up to a scumread. It was a post that I provided the context of it not actually being 'solving' by ta vera that I was drawing attention to and otherwise you simply saying things like 'doesn't impress'. Like to me it felt like your conclusion was always going to be 'UneveN is mafia' and that you just included things in the catchup to explain that.
