Micro 1009: Would You Like To Be My Neighbor? [Game Over!]

[Hopkirk]

If you're saying Emily isn't being self pittying here then self pittying is a bad/misleading way of phrasing it and you need to think of a better one. If you've got a different definition then let me know

He hasn’t done that here and he didn’t do that in either DC or Royalty. 960 was somewhat of an exception because the entire town wanted to miselim him despite his like gazillion attempts to towncase himself, which continued to get ignored.

What are you talking about, pooky was town in both of those games
What was this post meant to mean? It doesn't address my quote (what are you saying 'self pittying' Pooky looks like)

[Hopkirk]

As I said twice last night and can quote if you want
- There's two types of bus.
1- actively pushing a wagon by giving reasons for it and hard SRing the slot
2- joining a wagon you think is going to go through for the towncred

1 is what Vanders did because they cased the slot and hard pushed it and said they weren't moving. It's the casing/pushing a partner that I think Vanders wouldn't do

2 is what I'm saying about Emily, and what would also apply to scum!hop here presumably

There's a clear difference between a vote for towncred and hard pushing a partner. Emily's vote here feels the exact same as my crappy bus on w&p in hectic Vs nancy

[Hopkirk]

I've explained why Emily's hammer is an an attempt to get TR and not a genuine one so many times

- because scum!Emily looks a lot worse by not bussing to the extent she's going to be exiled
- it was rushed in a way that came off as weird. me/hem/Vanders all agree with this

Yes and I explained why I disagree also many times. Had Flow actually flipped town, I’d probably agree with this but he didn’t and monkey didn’t have an opportunity to weigh in on that post-Flow flip, so his opinion on that isn’t useful.

I assume you mean the second point here.
Reread HEm, they're saying it's weird regardless of the flip.
Vanders is saying the same.
Andante was SRing Robert D1 so town can clearly dislike Robert

You've been saying for ages how weird it is youve been left alive when every night a slot that's wanted to push Emily the next day has been the one to die

[Hopkirk]

One of us flipping doesn't make the other look worse.it makes the other look better because the Ayer best placed to read them hard TR them and presumably Vanders would factor that in addition to already hard SRing her

Like what kill does Emily make that doesn't result in one-two player who was lockscum on her being in the lylo. There isn't one. No matter who she kills either you or vanders or both are in lylo

[Hopkirk]

If Vanders dies - Emily argues why didn't Loki die when they hard TR hop?
If Loki dies - Emily argues why didn't Vanders die when they hard SR her

Like it's the same logic for either kill. Either one she's going into the lylo knowing the wincon involves changing someone's mind. I was intentionally understating my lockdown of you in the thread to increase the chance someone wouldn't kill you earlier (so it looks more like I could be swayed into voting you), for all the good it did since apparently your meta TR on me being outside my range seems to have disappeared

[Hopkirk]

I hard pushed clidd for intentionally bad reasons btw. I wanted you to conclude that was me fake pushing a partner rather than genuinely trying to get clues exiled which is why I was holding back. I couldn't push him for good reasons because then the associative s make him far more town on my flip.

[Hopkirk]

As in we needed clidd to be exiled after me (clidd and Kidam, so it worked 50%) so it needed to look like I was fake pushing a partner and trying to make it look genuine

W&P I was bussing way before it looked bad for them because you have to be crazy not to sheep hectic when he's obvtowning and efforting in his scumhunting

[Hopkirk]

The Rush would be
- to prevent other hammers (Mo was an erratic player, Mo might have)
- she genuinely didn't think the hammer looked bad
- she has to say something there. She doesn't need to hammer, but a hammer looks better than saying 'i support the wagon but not voting yet' which is essentially an intent that she can't take back

Either of those

[Hopkirk]

Vanders hard SR Emily
You hard TR me

Both involve a hard read that Emily doesn't want to let into endgame.
Your last post acted like something I just said was wrong and it objectively wasn't.

[Hopkirk]

And now I have plans for the day and should probably start prepping. Might be online in the evening but unlikely.

I wonder if I'd ever care enough as scum to skip breakfast to argue here against something that isn't changing. that's a pretty good question

[Hopkirk]

I don't think the close to 100 posts I made last night and today is something I could possibly do as scum. Like it's more effort than I put into the whole game of Hectic Vs Nancy and WSB combined. I'm way outside of my scumrange right now

[Hopkirk]

It I was last scum I think yeah I would just cave and give up because I wouldn't be able to justify the time spent on trying to move a 90% chance of losing down to 80%

I locktowned you right away in the lylo, I didn't vote immediately because if you voted firs then I can just hammer instead of you doing what you're doing now. you know that I locktowned you a while ago in the QT. Turns out I can read you but not vice versa I guess

You would be killed by Emily if she thinks you are less likely to rethink than she thinks Vanders would be. That's the sum of the decision for here there imo

[Hopkirk]

Confirming I was scum and glad you hammered now rather than waiting.

[Hopkirk]

I think you missed all of the inconsistencies and overtly scummy stuff in my play in favour of claiming I wasn't responding stuff that I, now it's post game, 100% was clearly responding to. Claiming I was dismissing things that I'd repeatedly responded to was very very aggregating.

[Hopkirk]

My play D1-2 was pretty obcscum tbh in terms of that I didn't do basically anything, effort whatsoever, or try and visibly solve and I'm pretty surprised that never came up because I didn't really have a response to that and it's a good meta tell that I thought you were aware of tbh

[Hopkirk]

Nightkill choice last night I felt like either slot was going to just wifom pivot on 'the other person was the obvious kill choice for Emily'
Fake newbie alts remain universally bad
Town me would also never vote Emily immediately in the lylo no matter how much I townread Loki
Rolling scum on this site physically hurts.
I genuinely don't follow ~75% of what Loki was saying during the last day and think there's a looooot of logical inconsistencies in it
Thanks for not dragging it out another day

[Hopkirk]

no issues with releases of PTs from me

[Hopkirk]

the scum QT is less than a page so don't expect anything in it though