Micro 1018: The King's New Robes | Game Over

[Dwlee99]

Hello gamers

[Dwlee99]

FLIP

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Not home so zero thoughts and have done zero reading. What's game state like?

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Cool. I got magic.

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Y

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Okay well I definitely understand now. I'll try to breathe life into this tomorrow

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Before I start doing things do we have any mechclears?

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Do we at least know what setup we are in?

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Why do you think notmafia started as VT? Couldn't a seamstress have changed him to VT? Regardless, based on that info I feel like rock is the clear choice so I'm gonna go with t3 on that
VOTE: Rock

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But then why fake claim mystic? I'm not understanding. Could they have been an actress?

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From my reading of the role pms it seems like they can hold the shot as long as they want?

Pedit: Dan seemed townie but that's just this page. VFP didn't give me pings either way.

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I don't have an intention to read everything unless multiple people want me to. The wording says something about a shot.

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I think I saw someone else mention this in my skimming as well.

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after I pointed out this was impossible with one mystic claim

This is why I think you're scum for this. You wanted to avoid getting brided but it ended up being confirmed impossible so you had to retract.

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Sure but we can wait for arc imo.

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What's good homies

Am I supposed to sheep t3 here?

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Is this mech or play? I trusted on rock yesterday cause the seamstress fake claim was bad but I need something to bite on here.

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Are you and Dan mech 1v1 or something?

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How do the claims tie into this? Do we know which game we are in?

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Mafia Seamstress, Mafia Actress, D1 Town Bride, Town Mystic x2, Vanilla Townie x4

Can't we be here?

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Why logically no? No seamstress claims?

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If I was scum I just hammer you here Dan lol

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Yes I would because t3 had just told me to vote you.

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Goodnight friends

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That was directed to rock. I agreed with your reasoning (that the claim was impossible so rock got caught in a lie)

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VOTE: Psyche
Realized arc is voting Dan and by whatever mech setup thing we have she is voting town probably.

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If your slot flips town this game is solved pretty much

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A really really bad one

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Arc is confscum to me because of setup reasons according to the conftown and the "conftown" that people trust. Arc is voting Dan so I should vote VFP, but if VFP is town then Dan is scum with arc as partner.

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How are you seriously voting me over arc?

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VOTE: Arc
Okay guess we are doing this today.

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If pink panther is town yes

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Can someone actually explain how we know we aren't in
Mafia Seamstress, Mafia Actress, D1 Town Bride, Town Mystic x2, Vanilla Townie x4

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If VFP flips scum that's arguably TMI-level, no?

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According to PP's summary, didn't you claim only after the bride used the ability ??

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I targeted you last night because I mildly townread Dan yesterday when I replaced in.

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Agreed that it's probably better to kill a mystic claim in case we are in seamstress setup.

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Oh I didn't pick up that mistake in psyche's reasoning. I thought they were just saying to get the last person chosen would be good info.

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Esgettit

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I am magical.

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Arc only claimed mystic after the bride revealed y'all.

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?

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My slot claimed mystic when it could be confirmed. Arc's slot claimed only after it couldn't be.

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I don't know how to repeat that my slot claimed mystic when a bride could have confirmed it in a different sounding way.

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I don't know how to repeat that my slot claimed mystic when a bride could have confirmed it in a different sounding way.

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It looks to me like Dan is her partner

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I don't care what happens from here as long as I don't get eliminated because this game should be completely free. Like maybe it's both VT claims but most people seem to think there has to be scum in Arc and I. I know what I am so this is just a no-brainer fmpov.

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There's also a thing called a white flag gambit if people vote their partner here. This game would be autowin if partners never voted each other.

Pedit: see above

If I was a governor this game would be autowin if you're town. Maybe you're not but game is lost anyway if you're evil. So based on that just killing arc/Dan/psyche in any order is just a win and I don't know how I'm supposed to case someone when I'm supposedly mech conf that arc is scum

Pedit2: No one would lie in a game of mafia wdym?

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I do not understand how seamstress not being self-targetable tells us someone is fake claiming mystic? I thought people just thought no seamstress because 1) vfp and Dan were going at it and 2) no one claimed to get a suit

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Pretty sure this puts us in autowin so cya in 48 hours. Kind of expecting a concede at this point though.

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You're good but also
VOTE: Psyche
VOTE: Dan
VOTE: Psyche
VOTE: Dan
VOTE: Psyche
VOTE: Dan
VOTE: Psyche
VOTE: Dan

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UNVOTE:
on off chance it's pp. Mobile phone dying moving eating etc. Etc.

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Wait how are you clear? We have 3 VTs and 2 are evil. That isn't a shade, it's good game sense to not quicklim here.

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PP fmpov you pushed me over arc and so no you don't get any credit for that.

You're also not conftown for the bride because you could have seamstressed or actressed for the VT suit. I wasn't here when you obvtowned so I'll have to go read. My gut is psyche and Dan but I need to do reading which I can't do while moving into a new apartment.

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Neither of us are clear because of suit mechanics. If either of us are actress we could be seamstressed or get a suit from using the actress ability.

As for the "shade" I'm fast typing. "In case pp" is because you'd good hammer right there to end day.

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Cool and you told me arc had to be scum on mech SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING

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I never said I scumread you... That's just misrep. I said you're not confirmed. I also said you don't get towncred for pushing me over Arc because I'm town too. But when I joined the game people told me the setup meant one of the VTs was lying and one of the mystic claims was lying but here we are and apparently it was all a lie.

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I'll check if your slot specifically said it (doesn't really matter specifics) but I was at the very least told that consensus and mech play just meant that one of me and arc was evil.

Your point that arc was "extremely convinced" also doesn't mean anything fmpov because I just finished a game where listening to arc after her and a townie hard 1v1ed day before ELO would have thrown the game.

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It's not PP.

Something something pipi in pampers

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I targeted NM n0.

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Something something if I was actress something something

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Oh I misread what you were saying. Yeah I'm not confirmed, no one can be, but given that my slot was the only mystic claim in the game for the start of day one it's clear I'm mystic

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Dan-Psyche are not a team -> VOTE: Dwlee

I can't believe we are throwing a setup where mafia need 5 mislims to win in a 9 player game and we had a confirmed town LOL

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Makes me feel a little bit better that my only negative contribution was trusting the confirmed town that there had be mafia in me/arc including arc fake claiming VT for... Reasons

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I targeted NM n0.

Explain this to me in mech terms.

If I got flipped day one, NM would have had his suit revealed with my suit.

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How does me acknowledging that mean I'm not confirmed by reveal? I'm just not confirmed by reveal in general.

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I literally never said I'm confirmed what are you talking about

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How does me acknowledging that mean I'm not confirmed by reveal? I'm just not confirmed by reveal in general.

Because what you just said about NM, could pretty much be the exact same thing that Arc did to you. How do you seriously not see that?

And yes that's how the role works: she targeted me like "I" did NM.

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Hello everyone

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Every time I said what? My "game is solved" comment was because arc flipping scum would have confirmed me and assuming PP town we just lim you and Dan to win.

I don't know what you mean by "trip from." I'm actually just having trouble parsing your whole post.

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Yes, because why does town fake claim VT and the mech consensus was that there had to be scum in me and arc.

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I mean sure I'm responsible for thinking arc was scum, as is she for playing like that, and I guess I shouldn't have hard leaned into "There can't be two mystics!!" but I don't think I'm uniquely responsible for that one at all.

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Rock also lied about his role, at a certain point I don't even believe I'm responsible for thinking people are evil if they're going to play like they are

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For further context I was also in another setup that resulted in similar sounding plausible mech arguments (to tell the truth), and that kind of seeped in here as well

Pedit: Uh I can check but I don't think it's weird of me to go with the flow anyway so why do you think it's weird?

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I just came from a game where using the setup to pick and plan wagons resulted in winning the game

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I'm like 95% sure it's just you and Dan and if PP is scum I'm just writing this game off anyway.

I read the setup and thought about it. I didn't only get it through other people. I was questioning why people thought we couldn't have a seamstress when I was looking at the setup. But based on my reading and game state I'm completely right about this setup I think. In 13p mini normals, the town mislims four times and loses. Here we have mislimmed four times and have a conftown. If arc actually flipped scum we would have just needed one town read (probably PP) to guarantee win because I'd be confirmed/dead, t3 confirmed/dead, and it's nightless.

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The game I was referencing earlier also had this problem btw. Caught scum day 2 and I was essentially conf, we had a conf, and with one more town read we guaranteed won. It ended up getting way too close (like what's happening this game) but like there is zero reason we shouldn't win this setup if people didn't play completely against win condition.

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And part of pushing arc there was because I wanted to just be conf and get us into autowin and I think that's clear from my play

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But I thought arc would flip scum and then I would be conf.

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VOTE: Dan

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?

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UNVOTE:
How is it going t3

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Bad

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You don't think psyche and me are aligned, we've given up hope on it being PP, why not Dan?

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The string of posts i most recently quoted show you saying that the game is solved if I am the one limmed - even if I flip town. We eliminated Arc, you aren't cleared, and instead of the game being solved we're just in LYLO.

At the time, town!you flip would have spewed Dan/arc team.

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I'm like 95% sure it's just you and Dan and if PP is scum I'm just writing this game off anyway.

writing off this game for what reason? because your reads were off a third phase in a row? none of the people you're weighing this time have done a fakeclaim you can excuse yourself over

Yes because I joined this game being told PP was town and T3 is never limming there and two townies apparently thought it cool to fake claim.

I read the setup and thought about it. I didn't only get it through other people. I was questioning why people thought we couldn't have a seamstress when I was looking at the setup.

but then if you read the setup and thought about it and had some doubts, why then proceed to

base all your play

on someone else's read of the setup? ​i mean it's obvious why you would if you are scum and that read leads to a mislim, but why as town?

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I put some trust in t3 to lead us to a win

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If I'm supposed to believe PP as town is so obvious that the game is solved, then that doesn't exactly make you less suspicious to me ftr. It makes you confirmed scum.

wait pls tell me you're at least going to own your PP read
like you know the slot isn't confirmed town right?

I do not think t3 is ever considering limming that slot and frankly I do not care at all. We do not kill PP!scum without t3's blessing.

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He is in pretty much every game I play

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The bad ending

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If you're going to kill me (even quickhammering evildoers) you must first watch the above video.

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What is a season here? I liked playing with you buddy

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T3 did u watch the video

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I want to make sure you watch it before the end of the game because it'll make me feel better knowing that you saw into my soul and still crushed it

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I keep thinking Psyche's profile picture is a mitochondria jeez

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I am here to vote Dan if we want to not lose

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Psyche I bet you didn't even watch the video

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You're a disgrace to the good ending

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That was sad

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VOTE: psyche

Mitochondrial mod

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How

Pedit yes exactly.

Idk man this game is lost LOL

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[Petrosian copypasta here]

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You and everyone else this game

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Who would suspect pipi

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T3 did u watch it

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Please do.

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You forgot dwlee/t3.

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VOTE: Dwlee
This feels more dignified than a chess piece or a dancing panther that I saw in movies ending my pitiful existence

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DAN YOU DID IT

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There is the WIFOM and I also don't think you read the part of the game where I made it look like Psyche and I were going to quickhammer Dan. T3 made the wrong choice, sure, but his choice wasn't so unreasonable that you should beat him up over it.