Micro 1023 - The Coalition: TBotITGBSMoD [game over]

[The Cheek of Gamma]

VOTE: Iverson for leaving us off the list. Yes pizza, no anchovy please.

~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

VOTE: Implosion Hi!

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I also request no anchovies, but tbh I've never had them so I could try one slice with them to see how they are
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Also I recognize literally almost none of you, so this should be fun.

huh, okay
do you recognize me?
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Feeling GL & Coalition are not aligned.
GL likely more town, Coalition RQS type opening giving my eyebrow some bounce.

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Waiting for ur answer btw so I can continue my line of thought without suggestion btw

Just early feels. Don't let me hold you up.

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I'm terrible at town hunting, so this should be a fun exercise. I think I'll probably just scum hunt for both and whoever is not leaning nai/scum can go in the coalition.

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Hmm.

Is it better for scum to have two people in the coalition or one in and one out? I can see sides of both but depending on what scum are good at as scum it might not mean a lot to talk this out.

I think they'd both try to get in making it more likely at least one get in. It's an interesting idea that they could patsy one to get the other one in though. I like it.

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

My break is up in 3 minutes and this game hasn't provided me with any serotonin yet, somebody call me scum or something

Any reason for your coalition or is it just rng?

[The Cheek of Gamma]

You like the idea or that Vulture thought of it?

Both, gives me another angle to look at plus shows that vulture is thinking.

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I do think this setup is slightly... breakable? Leashable...?

Can you elaborate?.

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

<.<
>.>
^.^

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Have we played together before implosion? I don't think we have but could be wrong.

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I somewhat like Vulture and GL so far as town.

Same.

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I had a hasty town feel on uncle Shelby, which petered out as quickly as his posting.

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

VOTE: The coalition

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I have things to do, but will check back later. Liking Iverson more in an unashamed reverse omgsy way.

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

also general suggestion is to use the coalition itself as pressure as it scares scum a lot more to see their name excluded on lists. I had people voting me in the last iteration and it had 0 effect on pressure(I was town tho), but seeing ppl not include my name made me feel pressured to get on.

I like this.

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I wasn't a fan of Cheeky's posting but she's trying to put out content. I contrast that to Vulture, who instead of giving hasty alignment speculation lingered aimlessly on mechanics.

I already have this hydra as a townlean though, not because of Cheeky but because of Gamma.

Gamma has been tilted out of his mind lately by people not efforting as scum/a rapidfire town getting ahead early. He's learned to play significantly faster paced accordingly in order to avoid this. Here he was content to pop in and leave it to Cheeky; in contrast scumGamma has been of this bizarre mindset that he's the one carrying every game even when he gets flipped Day 1/2 like clockwork.

While I appreciate the sentiment, it’s blatant misinformation that I almost always get eliminated D1/2
Out of 4 recent games where I rolled scum at the start (I had 1 game where I replaced into a doomed scum slot) I was not voted out or caught within the first 2 days in 2 of them, and I had decent endgame equity in both of the games I made it past the beginning in
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

GL reasoning works backwards, starting at "this person is X" and then tries to manufacture reasons for it. I'm not sure where people get townreads on that but its like blatantly scum and I'm vetoing all coalitions with them on it.

Why is it blatantly scum?
Tbh I have a plethora of thoughts on this
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

1) I don’t think that’s what GL is doing
2) why so certain about something that is very much a thing townies also do?
3) if 1 is clarified, I could potentially see an issue because while I think in general the action described isn’t AI I think doing it this early would be weird, in a bad way

[The Cheek of Gamma]

iverson, even if you don't townread implo yet, at least take the gas off and try elsewhere. I don't think you're SvT at all and definitely not SvS.

This is a little rich considering your stance on GL.

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

The uncle shelby/Iverson coalitions are interesting in that they have each other in them plus pretty much the same constituents. Not sure what that means yet.
Iverson appears to be in everyone's wishlist with little effort.

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Just so I understand how this works, we all choose our coalitions then there's a vote of which coalition is best, is that right?
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Righto, is it too early to ask what you think of Uncle Shelby so far?
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

just as an added thought to my previous post, in my experience when scum try to frame me as scum - they'll attack my playstyle primarily, because it is easily framed as scummy. (fact is, I can mimic it nearly perfectly between town/scum so its NAI) - and their insistence about garbage(that yes, is scum indicative for the average scum player who hates playing scum) like "LAMIST" shit is the type of stuff I'd expect scum to try to point out to push what appears to be a reasonable scumread.

I feel like GL is giving you opportunities to explain your stances and you keep shutting him down by avoiding the questions and calling him scum. I don't think he's misrepping/framing you unfairly.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

literally where?

they were like "oh what townreads do u disagree with"

I don't recall anything that remotely resembles charitability

Ok, let's start over. Let's say GL has never interacted with you, ignoring those posts and looking at what's left, why do you think he's scum?
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Just so I understand how this works, we all choose our coalitions then there's a vote of which coalition is best, is that right?
~ C

5 people have to vote the exact same list of 5 people

Oh lorde, this is going to be harder than I thought.
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

literally where?

they were like "oh what townreads do u disagree with"

I don't recall anything that remotely resembles charitability

Ok, let's start over. Let's say GL has never interacted with you, ignoring those posts and looking at what's left, why do you think he's scum?
~C

This is a... strange question.

I'm a strange person.

Why do you call such?
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

but one thing I did notice was the difference in treatment of iverson and I and the coincidence of iverson having them as a coalition choice

This sounds like you believe the two to be SvS?

[The Cheek of Gamma]

literally where?

they were like "oh what townreads do u disagree with"

I don't recall anything that remotely resembles charitability

Ok, let's start over. Let's say GL has never interacted with you, ignoring those posts and looking at what's left, why do you think he's scum?
~C

This is a... strange question.

I'm a strange person.

Why do you call such?
~C

I don't quite know why yet and I'm trying to figure it out.

It feels weird, maybe, to remove the context of interactions from an ISO? It feels like you're trying to maybe play good cop for Coalition when no one's really on their side which... eh. I don't know.

I'm playing good cop because I see myself in them. I get tunneled, but sometimes the tunnel is right but I can't get taken seriously because omgus. I think GL could be scum, and am legitimately interested in coalition providing a valid point other than "only scum think I'm scum"

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Hi Art
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Disappoint.

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I think GL could be scum, and am legitimately interested in coalition providing a valid point other than "only scum think I'm scum"

a) who is your coalition right now?
b) why are you still voting with me to yeet Coalition if this is your current view?

A) I'm working on it.
B) Same as A.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Hi Pooky

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Those who have Implosion in their nice list, could you please say why?
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I suspected that around page 6, but feeling it's a little far fetched given scum meta these days. Plus GL suggesting they both stay off coalition lists is antiwincon.
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Ok thanks, Gamma thinks Implosion is town too.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I suspected that around page 6, but feeling it's a little far fetched given scum meta these days. Plus GL suggesting they both stay off coalition lists is antiwincon.
~C

to go south you must first go north

....what?! Lol.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I wouldn't say frozen, but possibly scum based on meta and him being so awkwardly town. I do have a bad habit of scumreading people just because they're towny though haha. Not sure about Coalition, I mean maybe? Scum theatre more likely between vulture/implosion imho and they both fit scum meta of sitting back avoiding the ripples.

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Aw I want pizza now.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

True, those darn no posters ruining our coalitions.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I'm going to let Gamma do our coalition because I don't even have a locktown read yet.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

You know, pooky is pushing the right slots for scum. It'll be interesting to see their coalition in comparison to Iversons reads before departing.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

what do you mean by the "pushing the right slots for scum"? Like, if he is scum, he is pushing slots that benefit him the most? Or he is pushing slots that you think are most likely to be scum?

I think you mean the latter but I want to be sure I'm understanding you

No the former. Both of you seem to be townread to some degree, getting you both off the list leaves more room for scum assuming you're both town.

I locktown you now.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I will admit I was a little paranoid of an Iverson/GL team
And it's still possible that Pooky has taken the route of hard distancing instead, but I think you past scumgames have a different tone to here so I'll roll with that.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

It's okay we have time. Coalition kinda bleeds town to me because their strat of yelling about GL being a wolf isn't going to benefit them as scum and that frustration only makes sense if they're town.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I mean I could be wrong. Time will tell with that one, for now the 1v1 isn't helping anything.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

It's okay we have time. Coalition kinda bleeds town to me because their strat of yelling about GL being a wolf isn't going to benefit them as scum and that frustration only makes sense if they're town.
~ C

Why doesn't it benefit them as scum? Isn't like, the #1 thing scum have to do in this setup to stop, y'know, coalitions of townies from forming?

Sorry, not what they're doing, but how they're doing it
Like how are they going to progress a scum agenda going about things the way they are? Has coalition persuaded you that GL shouldn't be in your coalition?

[The Cheek of Gamma]

It's weird because implosion said a lot of words but all I got out of it is coalition is probably a townread lol.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Fair. I'd be annoyed if both scum were in the no posters though.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

this is basically a main claim, but I randed scum with gamma and their usual weaknesses I've seen in the past were not present anymore.

There’s like 2 people this can be, and Iverson named one of them
And Iverson was probably right since just looking at posting style it looks more like DkKoba than the other person I had in mind
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

the coalition's read on me is really interesting because I'm not sure if that kind of reasoning is something I'm bad at faking as scum; I'd like to think it isn't, but it might be.

...incredibly once again, I typed this sentence before seeing 135

I think i'm kind of bad at scum tbh. I sort of focus on mimicing town thought in general, or at least my overall approach historically has been to try to do things that I think I'd be doing as town/read people based on the reads I think I'd be getting on them. Since it's most of what I focus on in principle I'm better at it than I am at other aspects of scum play. I don't think I'm an especially good scum player though.

I’m not sure on the finer details but I think implo is low-key obvscum when he’s scum from last time I remember him randing scum, and this also feels like a vaguely honest description of his scumplay, which are +town for implo
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

HEAL: The Cheek of Gamma, Pooky, Implosion, GuiltyLion
I feel like this is a pretty good starting point
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

iverson, even if you don't townread implo yet, at least take the gas off and try elsewhere. I don't think you're SvT at all and definitely not SvS.

I have outed two townreads-one with extended justification, the other denied it by meta-elsewhere while you townread implosion for not being a potato and tunnel GuiltyLion for incoherent nonsense.

If implosion is town all you have to do is get out of the way.

It took a second but Iverson kinda misread my post
I wasn’t denying the read so much as being like “hey you’re underrating me and in a way that feels diminutive”
Although whether I would sit out the opening as scum is like, entirely dependent on my partners, since having come off the aforementioned scum streak, my big takeaway is to not get bogged down trying to carry weaker teammates
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

i want no part of any coalition with GL on it
VOTE: GuiltyLion

fun fact you can queue up an elimination to occur right after a coalition passes.

I want to see it happen this game.

Doesn’t an elimination just make the coalition portion just not happen? Iirc that’s the way it was designed initially
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Also, I think it would be reckless to have an elimination happen immediately after the coalition check occurs without taking time to evaluate why the coalition failed (since the only time the following elim would be relevant would be if the coalition fails)
-G
(FYI I’m trying to consistently tag my posts so C doesn’t have to be consistent. I also probably won’t be doing the “guess who” stuff I like to do since a) I don’t feel like that fits the vibe of this game and b) it pretty much always results in people not getting it)

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Hey I only missed a couple!

[The Cheek of Gamma]

My 5 ATM would probably be me, Coalition, CheekyGamma, Vulture and...? Last one is hard.

Tbh I’m considering adding Coalition but kinda don’t wanna give up GL for that
-G
also lol @ the previous post

[The Cheek of Gamma]

replacing Iverson.

Sadge (but I knew it happened and get why)
-G
(small point of real talk, I felt like there was a tinge of bad blood between me and Iverson/Prism after our last two games together, but this game made me realize it’s probably cool between us)

[The Cheek of Gamma]

sup noobs im town

I’d believe it
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

is there anything in the first 8 pages I need to read

btw I'm undefeated in coalition so you're all lucky af i rolled town ngl

ps miss on me

VOTE: Pooky

Sir, you need to use heal tags to add to your coalition
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

hah, fair enough, I should have expected that

how well do you know Koba? I've never played with them but I am not liking anything they've done this game, do you think you can read them reliably? I'd encourage duo-ISOing our slots and seeing what kinda way you feel about both of us

I’d say I think this somewhat resembles Dk’s town game but I can’t go farther without discussing ongoing games
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

They're probably your scumbuddy

easiest game of my life

Why?
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I suspected that around page 6, but feeling it's a little far fetched given scum meta these days. Plus GL suggesting they both stay off coalition lists is antiwincon.
~C

to go south you must first go north

....what?! Lol.
~ C

What Pooky said makes complete sense to me
By suggesting they don’t both make coalition, GL makes him and Coalition look un-partnered on the surface
I don’t think I agree with the read though

Also, idk what the actual right play is but something tells me we’re kinda on track to repeat the coalition game I was scum in, because iirc I got in the coalition there off of bad TvS logic. So honestly I might just exclude GL+Coalition because of that, unless I can figure out what the right move actually is
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

guilty lion is just frozen scum rn

Literally how
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

but would you be even saltier if you were just caught scum rn and the that tryhard powertown you tried to pocket randomly turned into a meme shitpost lord who decided to immediately death tunnel you?

I would
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

if Coalition has a big ego and hasn't played with me or read my games before, I feel like they might think they can bury me, the first/main voice speaking against them, and then not suffer any consequences afterwards

Idk why but something about this post feels super pure
Might just be me having lowkey pent up rage at kinda being on the receiving end of a similar ploy to what GL is talking about
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I suspected that around page 6, but feeling it's a little far fetched given scum meta these days. Plus GL suggesting they both stay off coalition lists is antiwincon.
~C

Can you elaborate? What was making you think they might be aligned?

The drama on that page could have been scum theater. Since I'm scum hunting instead of town hunting I find it useful to analyze every possible team through the game and rule out unlikely teams.
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

for now the 1v1 isn't helping anything.

Coalition kinda bleeds town to me

Do you have a specific question? I can't read minds unfortunately.
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I wouldn't say frozen, but possibly scum based on meta and him being so awkwardly town. I do have a bad habit of scumreading people just because they're towny though haha. Not sure about Coalition, I mean maybe? Scum theatre more likely between vulture/implosion imho and they both fit scum meta of sitting back avoiding the ripples.

Do you often base your reads on site meta?

It's considered as a factor, not the basis of my read. This is an uncharitable assessment.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

You managed to get solid townreads on both slots via their exchange, in a game that is winnable by finding town. But the 1v1 isn't helping anything?

Continuing a thunderdome between the two wasn't going to help.

Your approach towards me is loaded, leading and framed in such a way I doubt your motives come from town sir.
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

This set up would mean that at least one scum must be townread to prevent town from winning so I'm a little more concerned about consensus townreads based on not much compared to slots like uncle and black ranger. Particularly those who townread us early on, like Pooky and GL. GL I'm fine with now but there's something fishy going on.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

actually I guess I may be biased by me disliking Coalition's side of their page 1-page 2 back and forth, I can see why the later posts from Cheek aren't especially great if I try to reset

I want to townread GL but this post keeps tripping me up. It's an attempt to pocket Implosion in a way that feels TMI that despite all the evidence to the contrary just makes me keep doubting the locktown read. Like he seems to assume that Implosion is town in a positioning move around his read on us and admits a bias on Koba which doesn't line up with what had happened so far in the thread. The hasty townread and reset doesn't feel natural.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Also GL having Iverson as strong town makes sense tactically if they are SvS because as we can see at least one of the two is in every proposed coalition. This is the tactic I thought most likely during early game discussion.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Implosion is oldschool and sees scum focus on mech like clockwork and he should be shot on sight.

This is, not true? I generally don't consider almost anything like "focusing on mech" to be alignment-indicative outside of context, and I think the context of the tone in which Vulture did it is townish.

Scum might focus on mechanics sometimes but it was page three and and Vulture had already said they were going to drop it at that point.

Like,

Implosion's read is literally "they seem nice enough talking about mech"

This is a drastic mischaracterization. In fact I pointed out the second line of 61 which is specifically not being like, especially "nice". The "scorched earth" rhetoric is something I think scum would be reticent to say because scum naturally will want to get into the coalition (so as to not automatically lose) and would probably have an instinct to not want to literally burn it down afterward.

implo, what level would you rank your scumplay at in terms of mimicing town thought?

your lines are like so extremely appealing to my reading method it almost scares me which is why I ask LOL

@art no not SvS.
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Your case feels a little reach-y in a way that doesn't jive with me. Given that you were the topic of conversation I read over your iso and thought it was fine but meh. Might just be early game.

What is your read on Coalition here?

Mmm. Townlean.

I don't get how this is Dory.
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I always thought I was cultured and understood art on a deeper level. MS paint has proven me wrong.
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

boring

cringe
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

This set up would mean that at least one scum must be townread to prevent town from winning so I'm a little more concerned about consensus townreads based on not much compared to slots like uncle and black ranger. Particularly those who townread us early on, like Pooky and GL. GL I'm fine with now but there's something fishy going on.
~ C

While I myself am wary of easy TRs I don’t think GL and Pooky are the slots to look at when looking for those on us at least
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Also I have to say I also find a lot of Art’s posts somewhat vague, I can extract some meaning but not much
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

GL what made you locktown Iverson?
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

implo can you talk about why you have Black Ranger in your coalition? I'm really ambivalent on them overall, don't have a meaningful read either way from what they've posted so far

I have a false memory of asking this already. I'd be interested in this too.

@uncle shelby why is Black Ranger in your coalition?
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Cheeky, you've ignored a pretty simple and direct question from me twice now.

Yeah I'm not wasting my breath spoon feeding you pretty simple logic. I said what I meant in a non cryptic way. GL elaborated your approach pretty nicely this page.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

their catchup posts/questions up to this point are more centered around finding 'gotcha!' contradictions than they demonstrate genuine solving, or interpreting people's posts with charitable intent

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I don't want your lottery ticket. At most you're right on one.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Or like Implosion could explain why ranger is in his?
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

When Black Ranger said "I like Art " I initially thought it was a really townish thing to say if he was implying Art was town, because I can't imagine much impetus for scum to call Art town at that point regardless of Art's alignment. Even though it was just spurring on the mspaint for some reason some of that feeling has lingered and I am somewhat townreading that post as being off-the-cuff.

This doesn't count.

[The Cheek of Gamma]

In fact I hereby declare Implosion is lock scum.
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I said hereby so it's now official according to standard interneting rules.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Cheeky you should listen to your hydra partner who's played with me before, rather than you who has not.

Yeah hard pass on the self-meta plea via proxy. Nothing personal.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Oh i'm not pleaing to you, I'm pleaing to gamma to overwrite your vote when he's online :p

How rude ;.;
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

VOTE: Uncle Shelby
I think I’d like my vote to be here over wherever it currently is, we both kinda agreed Shelby felt scummy, so I’ll vote the person I can actually agree with Cheeky on rn
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

something i noticed this morning is that I got the vibe the black ranger entered the game playing in a way that feels "safe". Not coalitioning that slot likely.

Talk about this?
Tbh I actually think Ranger’s entrance was kinda towny
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

PookyTheMagicalBear [5]: GuiltyLion, PookyTheMagicalBear, Art, The Cheek of Gamma, Vulture

does any1 have a problem with my coalition

lets hear some criticism.

"im not on it" is not a valid complaint.

Why is Vulture in it over implosion?
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Implosion/vulture?
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Yep pretty happy with that team on a quick skim. Gg.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

imp, what's a good GL take? I'll read up in the morning and see if I get there.

It would be funny if this was a PT slip.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

i read the first 4 pages and only managed to get a townread on imp

Oh darn it's not.
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

cuz my boy Prism told me Implosion's a scumbag and I can always blame him if the read is wrong.


Also I'm just sticking to townteaming the people I think I have a decent read on and I'm not gonna bother trying to read people I might not be able to read well.

>:/
so you're just reading implosion based on the say-so of your predecessor? That seems like a pretty shitty way to play. If your predecessor is wrong, it allows for no correction of the read because there's no effective way to change the mind of someone who has left the game.
you've netted a demerit to your townpoints, because tbh this feels like how scum!menalque tried to SR me off my predecessor's meta in Pokemon Ruby Mafia
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

would you rather I not mention that it comes across as a legitimately scummy maneuver?
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

well that's because I'm not going to jump straight to SRing pooky over something that admittedly is probably a minor issue
Do I think what he is doing looks questionable, yes, but when pretty much everything else from that slot has felt towny, I think the best way to express my feelings is to say "you're losing points for this".
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I considered taking him out of the coalition, but that felt a little over-the-top as well
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

What’s your read on implosion again, and why?

I think he's town, because he's been posting things that seem well-thought out and genuine, and he also just isn't giving me the vibes I've gotten when playing against scum!implo before
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

436 feels like an inappropriate reaction. “Well I guess I shouldn’t talk at all, huh?” Rather than engaging the point.

also that wasn't what I meant
I don't feel like your criticism applied to anything but the last line of my post, so like, why does "I guess I shouldn't have mentioned any of this" seem like a logical response to "the scum feelings mentioned don't feel genuine"? This honestly feels like an uncharitable interpretation of my response.
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

dude if you have a problem with my coalition you need to tell me who on my coalition is a baddie and why they're a baddie

There's nothing mandating I do this.

this feels dodgy/hedgy/scumbaglogic

Well, it's poorly phrased but he's right
As I just did, it is possible to object to a coalition because someone is not in it that you think should be, rather than someone being in it that you think shouldn't.
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

i have no incentive to read you because I've already locked in my townteam

when your coalition fails I hope you don't mind me speedlimming the ones in yours that weren't in mine, then
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Implosion/vulture?
~ C

Why is Vulture scum?

I get a sense of doing just enough to be townread. If I'm wrong there replace with Uncle Shelby.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I do and we have like two weeks. Calm down.

I think we need to be forcing the issue more on the Coalition, we can't delay that until the last second before deadline cause we'd be forced into a rushed elimination if it fails. And scum panic/manipulation if they are not included will be easier to see if we're closer to locking a Coalition.

I think I'll join Pooky's coalition at the moment, I'm confident in Pooky/Cheek/Vulture and willing to sheep on Art
HURT: implosion
HEAL: Art

I'm down with this. Gemerald and I battling over Implosion alignment. I might be able to persuade him to make the same swap.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

HURT: implosion
HEAL: Art
-G
This is funny because Cheeky just ninja’ed me on this as I was entering the preview window (I just about always hit the preview button before writing p much anything if it’s a post that is meant to start with a vote). I was trying to reconcile reads with Cheeky since we both think Vulture and Shelby are suspicious, but she thinks one of them is partners with implosion as she has him as lockscum.

DERP
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I feel better about vulture now that I'm seeing Implosion bargaining for a spot in the coalition.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Effectively the coalition proposes that there are two scum in coalition/uncle/implosion/ranger. It would be good to get 4 votes for the same coalition to up the ante.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Art is scum.
I can't really put my finger on it but the way they're viewing the game is very 1 dimensional.
Also has to do with who i think they are

Its all "this post good so player good" and vague assignments like logic/tone that aren't even valid tools outside of pushing out of RVS.
After their accusation of putting implo and i as teamed i realized their pov is completely whack and their perspective is not town here.

Who's your ideal coalition atm?
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Pooky/GL would you swap art with coalition?
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Art is scum.
I can't really put my finger on it but the way they're viewing the game is very 1 dimensional.
Also has to do with who i think they are

Its all "this post good so player good" and vague assignments like logic/tone that aren't even valid tools outside of pushing out of RVS.
After their accusation of putting implo and i as teamed i realized their pov is completely whack and their perspective is not town here.

Who's your ideal coalition atm?
~ C

me, implo, pooky, CL, you

Can you talk about implo and vulture reads so I can try to get where you're coming from?
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Pooky is always serious.

I think Art is likely town too but tbh the gimmick is hard to scumread whereas coalition is not playing to scum meta here nor does he seem under any stress to get into the coalition which means he is town or his buddy is already town read. Gemerald would feel more comfortable replacing art with a readable player.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Ignore the quoted post, this is why I should always preview.
~C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Also sorry coalition for misgender, please read any posts referring to them as they/their.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

This is how I know art is town.

I don't even know how to decipher that graph :s
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Oh I got confused because coalition is in there twice.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

that was an accident lol

Which one is the “true” one?
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

if i got pocketed by some mspaint artist you are allowed to make fun of me for a month

I'll accept except there's no time limit on the shaming.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

@Cheeky head

What's your take on this post?

Implosion is oldschool and sees scum focus on mech like clockwork and he should be shot on sight.

This is, not true? I generally don't consider almost anything like "focusing on mech" to be alignment-indicative outside of context, and I think the context of the tone in which Vulture did it is townish.

Scum might focus on mechanics sometimes but it was page three and and Vulture had already said they were going to drop it at that point.

And is your read on Vulture dependent on your read on implosion?

My initial take is what made me doubt Iverson being town. It felt like a hard throw of Implosion under the bus over such a small thing but over time I've come to see a lot of manoeuvring from Implosion in terms of when and what they post so I'm more confident that in a SvT of d

My read of vulture is independent. They feel too safe. And as I said earlier I believe scum are going to look townier than in other setups here, hence my push against anyone towny until I feel the reads on them are justified. I feel less suspicious of vulture because they seem active in a more organic way than Implosion.

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Ugh... in an SvT of Implosion/Iverson that Iverson is the T.*
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Where is this emotional response coming from My question is a pretty straightforward self-meta request.

I get annoyed when I get questioned. Makes mafia a great game choice. ^.^

Self-meta is pointless but I'll indulge you. What do you want me to say about myself?
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Yeah I'm reading backwards.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I wouldn't say frozen, but possibly scum based on meta and him being so awkwardly town. I do have a bad habit of scumreading people just because they're towny though haha. Not sure about Coalition, I mean maybe? Scum theatre more likely between vulture/implosion imho and they both fit scum meta of sitting back avoiding the ripples.

Do you often base your reads on site meta?

No. It was a one-off observation. How is this helping you to solidify any kind of read on me?
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

_-_

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I just don't understand how 3 people have Art in their coalitions.

One person said they think Art is town for no reason, another person said they're sheeping that person, and another person has now added them to their coalition (though to be fair cheeky has now asked about swapping art with koba).

Where is this coming from? It's entirely possible Art is town but they're seemingly bubbling into coalitions with no actual reason, and I feel like if the coalition fails it's going to lead to a sort of poisoning effect where we can't really resolve anything without eliminating them. I mean maybe that's for the best even, idk. I still just am so skeptical of people claiming they can read strongly into art; I can buy koba's take that it's just unlikely that a townie would have a me/koba team as their take but I don't think it's like, particularly strongly likely to be correct. And none of the people who have included art in their coalition have given a valid reason why they're town afaict.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. The 10 or so words I can pull from the MS paints seem to be showing some kind of progression which I guess is fine.

I do like your thoughts on poisoning the waters. I was kind of thinking we could use the coalition as like a check with us out of it on who people most town read given that I think it's going to fail anyway.

~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Still dislike the Cheeky Gamma hydra

Why?
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

i read the first 4 pages and only managed to get a townread on imp

simply because i really hated post 27. it looked like a giant spotlight saying, "hey, there's scum in here".

This reads like your town read on Implosion is based on the assumption my slot is scum? Is that the only reason why Implosion was your sole townread after catching up? How would you view that interaction knowing I'm town?
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

HEAL: Vulture

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Who do you think is scum in us/GL/Vulture/Pooky, Art? I’m presuming that last post I’d you saying you expect you’d get mislemmed if you’re in the coalition and it fails, but by stepping out you’re giving yourself the room to point the finger at the actual scum in it. Do you have a lead for that already or just not want to get axed because you were in a failed coalition?
-G

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I'm fine with that core of 4 but would rather not see uncle shelby take our spot.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Kind of don't like that Art doesn't want to be in the coalition to save themself if it fails. I would understand if they were a controversial slot like ours, but art is now pretty close to a consensus town read that the fear of being a failed coalition patsy feels TMI.

Am I the only one feeling that?

I'm trying to see if Gamma is on board for a coalition without us where we can effectively use it as a cop check on our strongest 5 townreads.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Psyche when you've caught up I'd be enthused to hear your takes on Implosion and Uncle Shelby.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

Gg! Whew that was close if we swapped out for coalition it would've been bad.

Sorry Implosion <3.
Thanks Datisi!
~ C