Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

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Yang

, who are the scum

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Hi Infy!!!!!!!!!

Hello!

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Wow you're useless

PEdit: ehh

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Norwee is towny

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VOTE: ydrasse

norwee made me laugh, i can give him a townlean for now.

i can make you laugh too, consider it an iou? see, look how funny i look, imagine what i could say

Spoiler:

Wow ydrasse is locktown <3

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Ydrasse probtown

Why I'm scared of her

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She does have the exuberant energy but eeeh

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I mean gth it feels towny but I just can't read her is what I'm saying

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Flea wins

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I don't think anyone has enough gym badges to control ydrasse

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Yin

, if I ask you more questions are you more or less likely to tell the truth

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Elaborate?

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I've faked a "someone else carry me" mindset before as scum I think? It doesn't seem too hard if you feel not confident in your ability to fake scumhunt

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@Inf - do you think i'd have trouble faking scumhunting as scum?

No

I don't really know why I engaged Robert about that since I don't really think it's scummy for him

All I know is that I have you as town until you give me red alert gutpings

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The latter. I'm mostly hoping/expecting scum!you to ping me like you did in Pokemon battles

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The latter. I'm mostly hoping/expecting that if you're scum, you'd ping me like you did in Pokemon battles

This wording is better

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Hey that's something

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I didn't read the first line as a joke

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Wow I'm supposed to be the one to hand out these pre-emptive town declarations

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you're off your game infy

are you a baddie or something

No :/

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the cumulus fact does not seem right, but i don't know enough about meteorology to confidently say it's incorrect.

Aren't those stratus?

Yeah wow yin get your shit together

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VOTE: tweet

She's doing more trying to solve yin/yang than scumhunting, which I don't think benefits us. Others may be guilty of it too, but I expect tweet to have insightful scumhunting thoughts.

She says I'm town which is silly cause I've barely been playing.

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Tweet was solving in mafiascum rpg more, and I can't know this for sure but I feel that mech was more important to focus on in that game

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That's my point

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Robert is scummy too

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I probably should've mentioned that I decided that earlier

PEdit: am I wrong about how much solving tweet would do at this point? Maybe I am

She did a lot of mech in rpg

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: robert

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I feel like you had good reasons to townread me in the other games but ok

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Don't trust my SR on robert

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Feel better

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UNVOTE:

Clidd convinced me that robert is towny

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Because I don't really see a reason for scum!him to make the push on datisi. I still don't understand why he wanted to townread datisi when he didn't know who datisi was, but it's enough for me to townread him for now.

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I don't really get the chara wagon, its thoughts are nuanced enough to not really want me to wagon it so early.

PEdit: I feel like there's a better explanation than robert was just making stuff up.

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That's fair

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Why?

I wasn't very confident in it

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How do people have a read on ircher

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Ydrasse HAS to be town this time. please

(not just cause of gamblers but also just play so far)

PLEASE YDRASSE

I agree

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are you agreeing with the meta on Ydrasse? or just that she's town? i don't know what the

I agree with the emotion tweet expressed there. The gambler's is that ydrasse has rolled scum a lot recently but I do think she's town here.

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What's the best trio of starters

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Robert is pretty obvtown

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VOTE: nakata I like this

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Pooky you never care when I don't townread you

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Hmm I'm not really sure.

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Wow now I feel like I'm intruding

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I agree, nakata's theory seems like he just tried to come up with a justification for TRing ydrasse and SRing the others on his wagon and it at least doesn't seem thought through.

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Ok but can we elim nakata? The whole interaction with Amy looked like he wanted to maintain his scumread without having to argue about it. I do feel like Amy was overreacting to his scumread, and I understand why he wanted to avoid that argument, but I'd expect town who believed in their read to at least push on it, or like give reasons, or something.

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I swear I just woke up half an hour ago

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-Nakata said that the people on his wagon were trying to get ydrasse to look bad after he flipped town, that seems like something scum would never do and seems made up

-Nakata's SR on amy had like no reasoning and it felt like he was trying to appease amy in their interactions which he wouldn't do as town

PEdit: I don't know, maybe he thought I was limbait anyway

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Nakata is saying that Amy Dunne is telling a lie by saying that Nakata was hardpushing Robert M Hunter when Nakata has done no such thing!

Nakata would appreciate Amy Dunne not taking personal insult, Nakata has no problems with anyone in this playerlist, Nakata simply thinks that Amy Dunne is scum. Nakata doesn't know what Amy Dunne is expecting him to say when she says "tell me why I'm wrong on you". Nakata has already told you that he is town!

Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne. Nakata thinks that if Amy Dunne is scum, that's exactly what she'd say, and that her attempts to push Nakata while not being accurate in her depiction of what Nakata has done this game show that her primary interest is in limming him and not sorting him, whereas if she were town Nakata thinks she'd be more interested in the sorting part.

@amy He's spending more time talking about how you shouldn't be upset that he's scumreading you and saying that he scumreads you rather than explaining his actual reasoning. The reasoning itself has a lot to do with you saying he was hardpushing Robert instead of just pushing Robert. It's all very fake.

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Nakata does not understand getting upset with someone because they may be misreading you. If Amy Dunne is a friend and Nakata is wrong, then Nakata is not upset with Amy Dunne for misreading him. Nakata wishes Amy Dunne all the best. However, Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne to be town and does not think asserting that she is town is enough reason to believe this, especially given that Nakata knows she is pushing someone who Nakata does know is town.

Infinity, how do you get “appeasement” from this?

He's not trying to push you, he's just repeating that he scumreads you and saying that you shouldn't get upset over it.

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like you have a very ... strong reaction to being pushed on no offence but if you seemed viable at the time (and i think you were before you actually started interacting with him) i understand why a scum!satoru would go for it before realizing.

Ydrassee <3 you're so much better at wording it than me

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I don't really know nakata's meta, I think he's an alt but I don't know his main

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Yeah but if he’s scum, it’s still a brazen attempt to manipulate me specifically and I’d like to believe that Pooky wouldn’t take advantage of me this way, because he knows if he ever did anything like that, he would be hearing about for weeks on end. Because I would be super pissed at him, if he ever singled me out like that as scum.

I hate that this is a thing we're using to solve. Mafia is a game that involves manipulating, scum shouldn't feel guilty about manipulating people to play to their wincon.

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Ircher could be scum

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We should lim nakata

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I don't know what ircher's doing but I don't see a scum motivation

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I don't know what ircher's doing but I don't see a scum motivation

Do you see a town one?

Townies are weird sometimes

@clidd Is there something you're most interested in? I might do a readslist later but I'm lazy and I might not

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I'm always of the belief that if something doesn't make sense, it's much more likely to come from town, but I admit that I don't really get the self-hammer thing from a town perspective and it could make sense from scum. I still want to hear what ircher has to say. To me, the "trying a new thing" and being much less involved in discussion reads towny to me. If scum was lazy they'd use "trying a new thing" as an excuse probably or not at all rather than saying it at the beginning of the game. This way it draws a lot of negative attention to himself. I don't think a jester is likely in this game.

@clidd I already explained my nakata read, is there something more you wanted me to talk about there?

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I think robert is very towny, the emotion that he displayed in reaction to his votes felt very genuine. Then he attacked the people both attacking and defending him and didn't try to make it look consistent.

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It's been 2 hours. ?

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VOTE: nakata

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I understand that people are saying I'm off, I don't really know how to respond to it. Yes I'm not putting as much effort in as usual, I don't have that much motivation for mafia right now but I'm not sure why it would imply that I'm scum or some unknown other alignment

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I don't see how my ircher read doesn't add up? The narrative of say he's gonna play this game differently --> plays differently by doing nothing still makes zero sense to me as scum, even if he doesn't want to play scum he can at least give a couple reads or something.

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-Nakata said that the people on his wagon were trying to get ydrasse to look bad after he flipped town, that seems like something scum would never do and seems made up

-Nakata's SR on amy had like no reasoning and it felt like he was trying to appease amy in their interactions which he wouldn't do as town

PEdit: I don't know, maybe he thought I was limbait anyway

Nakata is saying that Amy Dunne is telling a lie by saying that Nakata was hardpushing Robert M Hunter when Nakata has done no such thing!

Nakata would appreciate Amy Dunne not taking personal insult, Nakata has no problems with anyone in this playerlist, Nakata simply thinks that Amy Dunne is scum. Nakata doesn't know what Amy Dunne is expecting him to say when she says "tell me why I'm wrong on you". Nakata has already told you that he is town!

Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne. Nakata thinks that if Amy Dunne is scum, that's exactly what she'd say, and that her attempts to push Nakata while not being accurate in her depiction of what Nakata has done this game show that her primary interest is in limming him and not sorting him, whereas if she were town Nakata thinks she'd be more interested in the sorting part.

@amy He's spending more time talking about how you shouldn't be upset that he's scumreading you and saying that he scumreads you rather than explaining his actual reasoning. The reasoning itself has a lot to do with you saying he was hardpushing Robert instead of just pushing Robert. It's all very fake.

like you have a very ... strong reaction to being pushed on no offence but if you seemed viable at the time (and i think you were before you actually started interacting with him) i understand why a scum!satoru would go for it before realizing.

Ydrassee <3 you're so much better at wording it than me

This is my nakata read

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His play not making sense as scum doesn't make him town

Yes it does?

If ircher isn't town he certainly isn't trying to avoid getting limmed. I guess he could be a jester or something. Either way I don't think he's trying to survive until endgame and I don't think anything good comes out of limming him.

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@tweet

In what way does any of that contribute to a traditional scum wincon?

I think it's more likely he's just town who agreed with some of the consensus points on nakata/robert and is just...playing weird idk

It could be scum doing a weird WIFOM play but that seems out-of-character for ircher and also really dumb

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And him playing weird isn't the only problem. He's not engaging with us at all about this. It seems VERY intentional. I am super confused how you find this town indictative -- NAI, maybe, but towny?

I think the not engaging part is scummy

I still feel like if ircher isn't town that he either wants to be eliminated or doesn't care if he gets eliminated

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Hi yang

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Ircher is confusing, nakata is scummy

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I guess I'm ok with an ircher elim

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I'm not really in favor of it, but the intent to hammer thing and the lack of solving are probably somewhat scummy. His elim might give us info too.

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Overall the narrative of his play is +town I think

Not that it makes much sense as town, but it makes less sense as scum

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Hi again I don't know how to react

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I don't really have an argument for why I'm not scum, I expressed my perspective, I'm town, I can't get everyone to believe me

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Norwee and ydrasse are towny regardless. I think ydrasse is putting in the effort to try to genuinely read me and being more perceptive about my play than I'd expect from scum!her. For norwee it has nothing to do with the read on me it's just a strong vibe throughout his play

Datisi I don't know. I don't really know how to read him.

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eh? you got to a correct read of me in the last two games we played together? what's with the "i don't know how to read him" now?

You aren't playing similar to the mini normal imo

I townread you for the majority of jk9++

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I will get to this tomorrow I'm very tired

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I will

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aaaa gj town

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Did anyone figure out I'm not Isis?

I still haven't figured it out

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<3

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Tweetie is good at not scumreading people

Why didn't you scumread me tweetie >:(

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also whichever scum decided to make me a criminal in flavour: fuck you why did you do that, holy shit the amount of nerves i lost because of that :lol:

<3 chara

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Wow. This is a revelation.

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Pooky you're scary

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Water makes itself wet

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