Large Normal 235: Large Normal With No Multiball [Game Over]

[Shrek]

Shrek you literally got caught lying about your claim and results lol. DGB also got a guilty on you so I'm not sure what you expected? Like even with Mega confirmed to have lied about their results, it doesn't explain how DGB could've got a false guilty on you if Cheeky was the one who got Roleblocked.

i still dont think dgb’s word should be taken at face value because its clear that theyve misunderstood their role before. also since we essentially know for a fact there’s a rolestopper (when cheeky and dgb gladiated each other) how do we know a roleblocker wouldnt try to stop dgb’s action from working? like literally theres no way they wouldnt go for someone who can confirm scum if it would stop them from confirming a scum/give dgb a false positive to draw attention away. if dgb was blocked and didnt know it then that would probably be a 100% ideal situation for scum because shit like this happens

[Shrek]

I do not put it beyond the realm of possibility that there is a combined roleblocker rolestopper (alien) that targeted DGB, but otherwise it seems like one of cheeky/dgb/shrek should be evil?

Hopefully cheeky has a result.

hot take: i actually think thats the case and all three of us are town. literally scums exact goal here to miselim all of us and get 3 free nks

[Shrek]

im wary of roden trying to push a turboelim yesterday, it feels like he knows what went down and wanted to both gain towncred and set me up to be elimmed.

[Shrek]

wouldnt a mafia alien on dgb both prevent cheeky from investigating while also preventing dgb from taking an action? or am i looking at the wrong page on the wiki

[Shrek]

thats literally the most likely scenario then since scum wouldnt want any more confirmed towns. i know im town, im 99% sure cheeky is town and have been this whole game, and dgb is at the top of my null reads and could easily hop into town provided thats the case

im thinking we stop going in circles and pursue a different avenue in gamma/roden. im fine with either of them going but i dont like how gamma escaped death barely on d1

VOTE: Gamma

[Shrek]

i would also be happy with one of a50/kitty/aa9 to thin the pool of less active people for the record

[Shrek]

Thanks, Shrek. I did all that work for exactly nothing.

LMAO

i just wanted to prove mega was full of shit last phase but he never came back. maybe a stupid gambit but a fitting end since nobody wanted to get rid of him for three days in a row at that point

How did you know, though?

it was universally agreed upon that his claim was bs and i wanted to test him potentially scumslipping in his results like i said in the previous day phase.

[Shrek]

I did not find it obvious that you were lying because it looked like DGB was rolestopped.

I guess that means Cheeky RB is back on the table then.

I was RB'd again last night on a different target so can confirm I'm being RB'd or JK'd by town. Which also means DGB was not role stopped or anything.

do you know what an alien is

and we already went over i lied about my tracker result to catch mega. stupid gambit but it did work

[Shrek]

cheeky im trying to make a case for you but you literally keep refusing to read the thread

[Shrek]

I was RB'd again on a different target meaning my action failed because I was Roleblocked N2 and then again N3. This means DGB was not RB'd N2 or RS. Therefore Shrek is lying about his tracker result, as if that wasn't already clear yesterday.

simple thought process: dgb gets rolestopped. you come out as investigative saying youre roleblocked
mafia decides to block the investigative since dgb thinks it doesnt have any actions left

[Shrek]

I did not find it obvious that you were lying because it looked like DGB was rolestopped.

I guess that means Cheeky RB is back on the table then.

I was RB'd again last night on a different target so can confirm I'm being RB'd or JK'd by town. Which also means DGB was not role stopped or anything.

do you know what an alien is

and we already went over i lied about my tracker result to catch mega. stupid gambit but it did work

...yeah right. You would've said that yesterday if that were the case. You need to claim and if you claim VT there's no loss in getting rid of you.

read the mf thread bruh

[Shrek]

Wouldn't scum!mega have known that dgb was rolestopped if that were the case? Or that cheeky was roleblocked? I just think the whole thing is weird, but I think that one of Shrek and it are scum probably? Cause alien is a sort of far-fetched theory.

mega checked in literally once yesterday i dont think he was up to date on his teammates claims. that and he scumslipped anyway

[Shrek]

if gamma flips red it 100% casts doubt on cheeky as an associative right? i think lq has a good thought process here tbh

[Shrek]

not casts doubt on her associative. casts doubt on her being town, shes an associative since shes defended gamma at every turn. that sort of thing.

[Shrek]

Wouldn't scum!mega have known that dgb was rolestopped if that were the case? Or that cheeky was roleblocked? I just think the whole thing is weird, but I think that one of Shrek and it are scum probably? Cause alien is a sort of far-fetched theory.

mega checked in literally once yesterday i dont think he was up to date on his teammates claims. that and he scumslipped anyway

What?? Did their teammates claim?

what his teammates told him to claim that is. sorry its like midnight where i am and im not home rn. at least thats my logic on it, since he first claimed even night watcher and that turned out to be bs

[Shrek]

nero is almost conftown at this point though???

[Shrek]

bruh

[Shrek]

SRing mega before it was even on the table, being wildly and blatantly wrong and headstrong about his reads with t3/cyrus, and generally butting heads with people he doesnt need to which i think scum would want to avoid as much as possible. idk why he would be scum over someone like roden who suggests turbolimming a scum to gain towncred alongside turbolimming a townie as an aside (who happens to be taking random shots at me as well) or gamma who theres been resistance on the same level as mega and hopped on the latter’s wagon at the last minute in a similar manner to roden

[Shrek]

im tring cheeky even more now unfortunately because no scum could just blatantly refuse to actually read back in the thread to see what was discussed 30 minutes ago

[Shrek]

Y'all need to figure out what happens if Shrek flips town here

I mean, it basically confirms DGB is Scum, right?

NO. im town but there is a high chance dgb got alien’d and received a false negative as a result.

[Shrek]

cheeky are you trolling

[Shrek]

i genuinely think both me and dgb are town here and cheeky is just being obstinate

[Shrek]

Nope. 100% serious you need to go.

then why do you refuse to read the thread at all?? its like youre actively trying to avoid scumsolving. you still dont even know what the alien role does

[Shrek]

i feel like f***ing man ray dealing with patrick here

[Shrek]

Nope. 100% serious you need to go.

then why do you refuse to read the thread at all?? its like youre actively trying to avoid scumsolving. you still dont even know what the alien role does

Shrek, no. Just shh.

bruh.

[Shrek]

I townread Shrek on play rn

dwlee who are your scumreads rn? i dont think ive heard you state any in a while

[Shrek]

(Gamma/Roden/Kitty/AA9/A50)

genuinely think the three remaining scum are within these 5. cheeky is being silly and im not going to take any of her reads seriously until she can at least explain what an alien is

[Shrek]

cheeky dgb isnt ascetic. im a tracker and dgb didnt perform an action last night which means it was either rbed or is lying about what it is

I mean

I'm not sure I buy the alien stuff but what do I know

But it's as if two players were roleblocked, Cheeky and me.

if you get blocked by alien and cheeky checks you it means both you and cheekys actions fail

[Shrek]

(Gamma/Roden/Kitty/AA9/A50)

genuinely think the three remaining scum are within these 5. cheeky is being silly and im not going to take any of her reads seriously until she can at least explain what an alien is

Good list, but I'd say only 2 Scum there.

i mean i can see it. those five is just my PoE. who would you add?

[Shrek]

No one has admitted to roleblocking either of (Cheeky or me), so that would come from scum.

I'm telling the truth, so someone is lying between Cheeky & Shrek.

mafia aligned alien. no town roleblocker would want to stop you

[Shrek]

A50 I need you to parse all the claims from yesterday and what it means if Shrek "gambited" the tracker claim. I need someone rational. Like yesterday Shrek claimed he tracked StD to me N1, which gave improved probability of StD being a direct target, allowing still for possibility of DGB being role stopped or alien'd. If Shrek claim was fake then it makes no sense for scum to NK StD directly when DGB had claimed investigative and I was a claimed PR. Therefore for StD to die they must have protected DGB which means Rolestop and Alien is impossible because StD protect would have failed and a no kill would have happened N2.

Right?

if mafia aliened dgb why would they also try to kill them?? your logic makes zero sense

[Shrek]

also you still dont know what an alien is

[Shrek]

because bg was either on someone else or they killed std directly for a low info kill like norwe’s

[Shrek]

also you didnt answer my question

[Shrek]

bruh

[Shrek]

because mega claiming that he saw you and me visit only after both of us claimed means that he outed himself as scum, since both you and dgb’s roles failed to result in anything being done?? you can see that explanation at the start of the phase right now

[Shrek]

bruh lol. this setup was WACK but fun game

[Shrek]

bruh lol. this setup was WACK but fun game

FWIW, I think you played well for the most part based on play. Your claim messed you up, but beyond that, I think you played fine.

yeah no i just asked roden to tell me what to claim since im completely unfamiliar with anything that isnt vanilla mafia lol

[Shrek]

Next time I say I'm vt people pay attention I always roll vt unless I replace in.

But you did replace in

True. And last time I replaced in I was scum . I have better luck being scum when I replace in.

i dont get what youre trying to say here tbh

[Shrek]

Shrek, even when there was a guilty on you I kept reading your ISO thinking "THIS was scum?" You got unlucky with that

yeah a50 gave me the advice in mafia pt to just play it like i was town so thats what i did lmao. i did fumble in the early game before roden/a50 helped me out so big kudos to them for their experience. this is technically my second game on the site and my first time as mafia in 4 and a half years so i was totally lost for the first day. i dont REALLY think i played that well but it was okay for my second time i think? if i didnt get guiltied for being townread i wouldve done better.

i think my main gripe was that 3/4 of the mafia was essentially just goons by d3 since the private communication people claimed and they had a backup neighborizer anyway, so 1-shot strongman barely does anything

[Shrek]

also the funny thing is that we really did block dgb n2 so it gave them a false negative and we apparently wouldve been in the clear otherwise

[Shrek]

i had zero idea why people were scum reading cheeky up until d4 tbh. i thought her play was really towny all things considered

also ty a50 it means a lot to me lmao

[Shrek]

Shreks later argument that we should be using are day elim to off lurkers was a super ant-town argument and Arc picked up on it too

This is true. This is what got shrek scum locked me!!
Thanks to you, we got roden because i wasn't scum reading him.
And, Almost50 axed his own feet when claimed jail keeper. The question i have for him was why the hell did he claim jail keeper when he already knows that town may have possible doctor (when they couldnt kill LQ) , didn't he even think of a counterclaim?. A cc would solve the game too quickly. That was a super dumb move for sucm.

actually me wanting to elim inactives is basically my modus operandi regardless of whether im town or scum. thats genuinely the optimal strat imo

[Shrek]

So everyone is ignoring my doc protection and counterclaim which literally changed the game at the end!
GG town!

tbf a50 was dead anyways with zero path to the end