Mini 2237: Scarlet Witch Alternate Reality Mafia - Game Over

[Roden]

Yay town PM, I get to actually enjoy the theme of the game this time.

VOTE: Cyrus

[Roden]

Hi Shrek, idk your town play yet but I'll let you pocket me if you ask nicely

[Roden]

can i pocket you pwease bb

[Roden]

It's easy to make a reads list page 1 when you're scum.

[Roden]

VOTE: Mastina

[Roden]

CheekyTeeky
Enchant

Not_Mafia

T3
cyrus62

Guillotina
Galron

Zyla
MegAzumarill
Hiraki

Roden
Shrek

Thinking about it, I'd actually put Roden on the same tier of scum as Shrek. Maybe, possibly, even more scum but not sure about that. I genuinely don't think this is the same Roden I've seen before when Roden was town. Admittedly, sample size is small, and game is in its infancy, so I could be wrong but for page two reads you gotta cut me at least

some

slack.

So I think I'm comfortable, with what I've seen, calling Roden a proper scumread here.

Are you really gonna reference the game where I dunked you after fighting off scum reads from an imploding town all game...?

[Roden]

Mastina third party?

[Roden]

T3 are you not town

[Roden]

Are you really gonna reference the game where I dunked you after fighting off scum reads from an imploding town all game...?

I mean that's my baseline for you, soooo...yes?

I should be lock town then since I'm not playing any different.

[Roden]

Are you really gonna reference the game where I dunked you after fighting off scum reads from an imploding town all game...?

I mean that's my baseline for you, soooo...yes?

I should be lock town then since I'm not playing any different.

Btw I realize two different games are different and the span of time for comparison is incredibly limited (I've got to compare like first 24 hours and first 3 pages, no more), but to my vibecheck this didn't pass as the play here

feels

different from the play in Chrono Trigger.

How so?

[Roden]

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

[Roden]

i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious

Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.

So you admit that it's NAI for Mastina and yet you'd quick hammer her because you dont like her style.

If you are town you should be policy yote

If you are scum then you should be yeeted.

Scum

Rode
Cyrus




This game is gonna be easy

Trying to get me out early so you don't get caught again huh

[Roden]

It's easy to make a reads list page 1 when you're scum.

Falling for Mastina's trap.

VOTE: Mastina

Target's Mastina and recognizes her as a threat.

Mastina third party?

Scum tell. Hunting for 3Ps already. Wowee.

T3 are you not town

T3 could be their partner, this looks like distancing.

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

Calling out Mastina's legitimacy of her reads when it's obvious the list is a RT.

I'm so good at catching wolves when trying to blend in.

Thank you Mastina!

VOTE: Guillo

Nice scum claim.

[Roden]

i think he means 'when they are trying to blend in'

I hope not because his town game would be abysmally bad compared to his scum game then.

[Roden]

i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious

Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.

So you admit that it's NAI for Mastina and yet you'd quick hammer her because you dont like her style.

If you are town you should be policy yote

If you are scum then you should be yeeted.

Scum

Rode
Cyrus




This game is gonna be easy

Trying to get me out early so you don't get caught again huh

When have you ever caught me? Our first game where i was scum and had you all pocketed, i had to sub out due to family tragedy, otherwise you'd be still remembering the whooping i gave you today.

It's easy to make a reads list page 1 when you're scum.

Falling for Mastina's trap.

VOTE: Mastina

Target's Mastina and recognizes her as a threat.

Mastina third party?

Scum tell. Hunting for 3Ps already. Wowee.

T3 are you not town

T3 could be their partner, this looks like distancing.

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

Calling out Mastina's legitimacy of her reads when it's obvious the list is a RT.

I'm so good at catching wolves when trying to blend in.

Thank you Mastina!

VOTE: Guillo

Nice scum claim.

This is scum looking for a shitty reason to OMGUS. I got you good Roden huh?

i think he means 'when they are trying to blend in'

I hope not because his town game would be abysmally bad compared to his scum game then.

Stop attacking the player instead of the play if you ever hope to become as great as i am.

Nice revisionist history. I had you pegged Day 1, you just got saved by town who scum read me for scum reading you.

[Roden]

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

VOTE: Roden
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.

You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.

[Roden]

The way Roden is playing rn and actively gunning for people for shit reasons means he's probably scum. I also get why mastina says Roden feels different to Yakra.

You're playing

very

differently this game.

[Roden]

Cyrus is reading very townie to me this game and will probably be this game's LHF.

[Roden]

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

VOTE: Roden
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.

You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.

Some one told me scum use self meta. Town use others meta. So you using self meta makes you look bad.

Nah, I do it all the time as town because my town meta is obvious. T3 also likes to meta dive so that's why I'm offering that to him.

[Roden]

What does lfh mean?

LHF = low hanging fruit

You're the most likely fallback option if we can't come together on a vote.

[Roden]

I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.

[Roden]

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

VOTE: Roden
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.

You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.

Some one told me scum use self meta. Town use others meta. So you using self meta makes you look bad.

Nah, I do it all the time as town because my town meta is obvious. T3 also likes to meta dive so that's why I'm offering that to him.

careful he used my meta one time to say I was scum when I was town.

That just makes it easier to catch him of he goes full bad meta.

[Roden]

I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.

Wouldn't that help scum more then town?

Only if scum doesn't actually intend to get me to E-1. Otherwise my wagon is pretty pointless.

[Roden]

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

VOTE: Roden
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.

You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.

Walking contradiction.

Where.

[Roden]

I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.

Wouldn't that help scum more then town?

Only if scum doesn't actually intend to get me to E-1. Otherwise my wagon is pretty pointless.

How do you know it's scum on your wagon and not town?

I don't, I'm just hoping I'm not wrong because if not...yikes.

[Roden]

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

VOTE: Roden
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.

You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.

Walking contradiction.

Where.

You tell him he knows your meta then you tell him to meta dive you.

That's...not a contradiction?

[Roden]

if he knows your meta why would he meta dive you

To post it? Why is everyone acting like they've never seen someone share a meta dive before?

I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.

No don't do that. You could make this more productive by focusing on others instead of being focusing on yourself. It seems like you're townreading everyone pushing you by assuming they're wasting time instead of pushing ulterior motives.

I did. I got auto wagon'd for it lol.

I'm not town reading everyone pushing me either, by everyone I mean literally everyone.

[Roden]

I'm not town reading everyone pushing me either, by everyone I mean literally everyone

So why assume it's wasting time? If we didn't wagon anyone, we'd have a low info game. That after a few votes you're threatening to claim to dissolve the wagon instead of trying to parse it doesn't sit well.

Because I'm town? Wagoning town gets us zero info since it's reasonable for scum to be either on or off the wagon. Saying it doesn't sit well with you because I'm trying to dissolve my own wagon is kind of a meaningless statement anyway.

[Roden]

It's because he's third party and he knows you're scum.

[Roden]

It's because he's third party and he knows you're scum.

3p in a normal?

VOTE: roden

This was literally advertised as multiball.

[Roden]

Guillo fuming that he got caught early lol

[Roden]

It's because he's third party and he knows you're scum.

Yah! Im scum! And I'm here to out the other wolves, im gonna play sooo against my wincon and get away with it.

This guy is trying to bus me everyone!

VOTE: Roden

It really only took you until page 10 to break the rules

[Roden]

Guillo fuming that he got caught early lol

You got the story crooked. I caught you and i cant wait for your flip and bet that best town performance nomination

This is exactly why I know you're not town lol. You're so "confident" you caught me when in reality it's clear you're just shit pushing me. If you want to throw for your buddy then you do you lol, but with my flip it'll be obvious that you just outed yourself for literally no reason om Day 1. I'm more than fine with trading 1v1 with scum.

[Roden]

What rule break? Do you honestly think i would claim wolf and say that im here to out the other wolves if i was a wolf?

Like you are so desperate to have me gone.

Scum claiming is fine, claiming scum with someone else isn't.

And I don't want you specifically gone lol, your slot just rolled scum.

[Roden]

Guillo fuming that he got caught early lol

You got the story crooked. I caught you and i cant wait for your flip and bet that best town performance nomination

This is exactly why I know you're not town lol. You're so "confident" you caught me when in reality it's clear you're just shit pushing me. If you want to throw for your buddy then you do you lol, but with my flip it'll be obvious that you just outed yourself for literally no reason om Day 1. I'm more than fine with trading 1v1 with scum.

To add to this, I don't think town ever has the reaction or confidence that you had in scum reading someone during RVS.

[Roden]

Guillo fuming that he got caught early lol

You got the story crooked. I caught you and i cant wait for your flip and bet that best town performance nomination

This is exactly why I know you're not town lol. You're so "confident" you caught me when in reality it's clear you're just shit pushing me. If you want to throw for your buddy then you do you lol, but with my flip it'll be obvious that you just outed yourself for literally no reason om Day 1. I'm more than fine with trading 1v1 with scum.

Who do yoy think i am? Some sort of noob to fall for that AtE?

Im confident because i specialize in catching scum during RvS.

So my legacy for my faction should i fall at the hands of these wolves who cant wait to shut me up, is to yeet in Roden, Cheeky and Cyrus.
Every game ive played i found out after game that ive caught at least a wolf and town have lost those games.

Dont let my unorthodox sort-of egocentric style cloud your judgement and deny me the glory of having caught scum early in the game.

So what happens when it turns out you're dead wrong even though you apparently specialize in catching scum early? Surely you should be elim'd next if you're so clearly wrong when you're supposedly never wrong?

[Roden]

Ngl I don't think Cheeky is town though.

[Roden]

Ngl I don't think Cheeky is town though.

wanna go into it more or are you just dropping it down and letting it roll

I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.

No don't do that. You could make this more productive by focusing on others instead of being focusing on yourself. It seems like you're townreading everyone pushing you by assuming they're wasting time instead of pushing ulterior motives.

This is a basic town cred post. Reading this makes you want to think she's town because it's a pro-town post, but it's just generic advice that doesn't actually do anything to advance the game. She doesn't even have an opinion on me despite her take on what I said.

I can see the scum reads on Cyrus, but dude is almost always the miselim, like T3 said let him dig his own grave.

VOTE: Roden

She can see the scum reads on Cyrus but says to let him get mis-elim'd. She then votes me with zero context.

For the record I do not support the roden wagon right now.
This feels very apart from his scum play that I am used to. (Haven't had any personal experience with town!roden but have played with scum! Roden a few times.)

I only have that one scum game to go off and I'm not seeing anything that different contrary to Shrek.

Zero explanation of this take.

I'm not town reading everyone pushing me either, by everyone I mean literally everyone

So why assume it's wasting time? If we didn't wagon anyone, we'd have a low info game. That after a few votes you're threatening to claim to dissolve the wagon instead of trying to parse it doesn't sit well.

She claims she doesn't like that I'm trying to dissolve me own wagon. Like I said before, it's a pointless statement and is basically just low key shade without having to commit.

D: your face is meaningless.

Transparent attempt to look playful that just comes across as awkward. Still no explanation of any of her takes or reads.

[Roden]

Guillo fuming that he got caught early lol

You got the story crooked. I caught you and i cant wait for your flip and bet that best town performance nomination

This is exactly why I know you're not town lol. You're so "confident" you caught me when in reality it's clear you're just shit pushing me. If you want to throw for your buddy then you do you lol, but with my flip it'll be obvious that you just outed yourself for literally no reason om Day 1. I'm more than fine with trading 1v1 with scum.

Who do yoy think i am? Some sort of noob to fall for that AtE?

Im confident because i specialize in catching scum during RvS.

So my legacy for my faction should i fall at the hands of these wolves who cant wait to shut me up, is to yeet in Roden, Cheeky and Cyrus.
Every game ive played i found out after game that ive caught at least a wolf and town have lost those games.

Dont let my unorthodox sort-of egocentric style cloud your judgement and deny me the glory of having caught scum early in the game.

So what happens when it turns out you're dead wrong even though you apparently specialize in catching scum early? Surely you should be elim'd next if you're so clearly wrong when you're supposedly never wrong?

When did i say im never wrong, i said i specialize in catching scum early. If you flip town then i was wrong. We townies shouldnt be yeeted for being wrong cause you know, we are uninformed we are by default cursed with being wrong until we get it right.

You literally just said you're never wrong.

Every game ive played i found out after game that ive caught at least a wolf and town have lost those games.

Sounds like you just want to mis-elim people and not face any consequences for it. So exactly like in Yakra.

[Roden]

what would cheeky say to satisfy you?

just to be super clear here - this is in response to the point that this post has zero explanation -

For the record I do not support the roden wagon right now.
This feels very apart from his scum play that I am used to. (Haven't had any personal experience with town!roden but have played with scum! Roden a few times.)

I only have that one scum game to go off and I'm not seeing anything that different contrary to Shrek.

this post is just talking about meta - what would you want? a meta case? would that convince you considering that you think the person is scum for already independent reasons?

Saying "he doesn't seem different" but then not saying what it was I was doing that was similar to my scum game just doesn't look good to me. I don't think I'm asking for a whole lot for her to explain what she sees as scummy behavior.

[Roden]

Guillo fuming that he got caught early lol

You got the story crooked. I caught you and i cant wait for your flip and bet that best town performance nomination

This is exactly why I know you're not town lol. You're so "confident" you caught me when in reality it's clear you're just shit pushing me. If you want to throw for your buddy then you do you lol, but with my flip it'll be obvious that you just outed yourself for literally no reason om Day 1. I'm more than fine with trading 1v1 with scum.

Who do yoy think i am? Some sort of noob to fall for that AtE?

Im confident because i specialize in catching scum during RvS.

So my legacy for my faction should i fall at the hands of these wolves who cant wait to shut me up, is to yeet in Roden, Cheeky and Cyrus.
Every game ive played i found out after game that ive caught at least a wolf and town have lost those games.

Dont let my unorthodox sort-of egocentric style cloud your judgement and deny me the glory of having caught scum early in the game.

So what happens when it turns out you're dead wrong even though you apparently specialize in catching scum early? Surely you should be elim'd next if you're so clearly wrong when you're supposedly never wrong?

When did i say im never wrong, i said i specialize in catching scum early. If you flip town then i was wrong. We townies shouldnt be yeeted for being wrong cause you know, we are uninformed we are by default cursed with being wrong until we get it right.

You literally just said you're never wrong.

Every game ive played i found out after game that ive caught at least a wolf and town have lost those games.

Sounds like you just want to mis-elim people and not face any consequences for it. So exactly like in Yakra.

Point to me where i said im never wrong, then explain to me how believing im never wrong is alignment indicative. I will wait.

Bro, you got caught, it's ok, you never expected it, it happens.
Or
You are town who pushed Mastina in bad faith, it could be too.

What is it?

I did point it out, hence the quote.

It's not "pushing in bad faith" when Mastina is literally giving reads on people who haven't even posted yet and then scum reading people on "vibes" during RVS. It's the exact same thing she did as scum last time.

You're also just scum lol. Also if you're claiming you caught me then why are you moving your vote onto Cheeky?

you're out here throwing these dumb weird ego jabs and you can't take a pinch? understood for next time, i guess

Im sorry that you call my confidence ego. Don't let my shine opaque yours.

don't worry - you're doing a great job of making sure that can't happen so far

I don't think I'm asking for a whole lot for her to explain what she sees as scummy behavior.

where did you do this?

Just now?

It's not that you're doing anything specifically similar It's just a tonal thing in comparison to how different your ex-buddies seem to me this game.

I don't see it but that's an answer I guess.

[Roden]

I don't see it but that's an answer I guess.

You don't see how you're not different or how I see MegA and Shrek as different?

Also I'm at 99% confidence on Guillo being town, that ego is not of scum.

I'm fairly certain my tone is very different since I'm way more reckless and aggressive as town, while more passive and pocket happy as scum. It's why I'm also heavily suspicious of T3 since he knows this yet thinks scum!me openly and pointlessly puts a target on my back early Day 1.

Also Guillo definitely has an ego as scum. He power wolfed hard in Yakra playing exactly like this.

[Roden]

Just now?

my issue is that you said he was scum, didn't say anything, and it took

me

to ask you about it to then ask cheeky about it. doesn't that seem just a tad bit convoluted?

Not really? I'm not the only one who said that and left it at that.

it's not really worth continuing this back and forth though - i don't think your scumread on cheeky is very genuine and i'll just note that for later

That's wild considering how many people have given empty reads all game lol.

Link plz

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87275

[Roden]

Also Guillo definitely has an ego as scum. He power wolfed hard in Yakra playing exactly like this.

viewtopic.php?t=87275&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Not really tho. Aside from the memeing the play there is more eagle hovering above prey than ego tunneling.

That's a massive disconnect considering Guillo literally tells town how great he is and that they should learn from him how to play impostor.

[Roden]

Also Guillo definitely has an ego as scum. He power wolfed hard in Yakra playing exactly like this.

viewtopic.php?t=87275&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Not really tho. Aside from the memeing the play there is more eagle hovering above prey than ego tunneling.

That's a massive disconnect considering Guillo literally tells town how great he is and that they should learn from him how to play impostor.

*scum not impostor, whoops, playing Among Us with some friends right now

[Roden]

Setup Spec because I enjoy it:

Have we considered that the game could be 2 groupscum with 2 players each?

Also if it is 3rd party I'd say a cult leader is probably likely. (Why would you have to publically reveal it is multiball if it was an sk?) Either that or something wacky like a condemner or something.

I'm not familiar with the flavor, but would a cult/ second groupscum make sense in that context?

Going by flavor, the witch coven could be a scum group, and SWORD's Tylor Hayward and White Vision could be the second. Technically speaking, we don't know if Wanda herself is even aligned with town either, since she's the one possessing the town.

[Roden]

I did point it out, hence the quote.

It's not "pushing in bad faith" when Mastina is literally giving reads on people who haven't even posted yet and then scum reading people on "vibes" during RVS. It's the exact same thing she did as scum last time.

You're also just scum lol. Also if you're claiming you caught me then why are you moving your vote onto Cheeky?

You didnt, you are putting words in my mouth.

Roden, are you an alt or you only have been here since May? How long you've been playing mafia before joining this forum?

That's a secret.

[Roden]

i don't think any of 245 is scum-aligned but i think it's terrible logic overall. zero explanation of a take? really? isn't that why i asked you for

your

take? what would cheeky say to satisfy you? i can go one by one but it's not worth my time

pre-edit:

Because talent has nothing to do with knowledge.

...so you just admitted that you're just lucky? yikes

Im not sure if im getting scum vibes from you or if you are just hating.

1. What the fuck not knowing a rule has anything to do with talent?
2. How the fuck is that relevant?
3. How the fuck does that make me lucky?
4. How is being lucky correlated to being talented lacking some knowledge?

Like… what the actual fuck are you on bud?

Can you fuck off?
Your ego is taking up the thread.

VOTE: T3

No, I'm solving. Im not gonna shut up until I'm dead.

___________________________

Listen guys, if Mastina is scum, it will not be because of her early day reads, ive seen her do this as town, third party and scum. It's like Cyrus said, completely NAI for her, so pushing her for that is a bad look.

Mastina hates randing scum because she rands scum a lot, so if she bails out, then we can worry about that slot. She is also a player that gets kill off fast because she is threatening to any opposing faction, she is that good, she gets fear killed a lot, and the way she was getting pushed raised a red flag for me because it looked like an attempt to discredit her reads fast (which is funny because it's obvious they are fake reads and it's intentional) and pile on her.

I also do this, in fact i did it this game. Only i picked three people to push and see where it landed.

This is what i got:

If Roden is new to mafiascum and to mafia in general, he'll get a pass because it looks like he genuinely thought that Mastina's reads were legit and obviously in a world where they are legit, those reads are scummy, so his thought process is legit too.

If Roden is a newbie and is scum, CheekyTeeky could be scum together because his approach to Cheeky looks like distancing, Roden is sussing her a lot but yet, he has not voted her to support that push. This is why he thinks me switching my vote from him to Cheeky is scummy, because he thinks that townies are supposed to stick to a vote in a 10-day day phase game.

T3 could be scum, you cant scum read someone arriving at the same conclusion that you did, about the same player, when that someone concluded it before you. It does not make sense, it's a fake push.

If Roden and T3 are scum together, Mastina is unaligned with them. Scum would not unnecessarily bring attention to their scum buddies like that, nor they would superficially push her for it.

Cyrus feels like a player whose alignment will become obvious with time, so im gonna give him time.

I'm not new and this is a really blatant backpedal.

[Roden]

i dont think guillotina flips red but if there's a vig, i think you know what to do

Which is also thinking i will not flip red and forget about me as a target? Or something else?

i am telling them to shoot you

Even though you say i will not flip red?

i am telling them to shoot you

Even though you say i will not flip red?

yep

i am telling them to shoot you

cuse town want town to shoot town sure i think this is a bad post.

the person who after 5 pages we have to have a discussion about ego from multiple people and has a wagon for super questionable reasons (ie there's no reason for it to really be there but it's pretty obvious why it's there)?

it's anti-town play at the very best and extremely distracting from the focus of the game

Killing me while townreading me is play to lose or you are just scum.

1) not townreading you
2) don't lecture me on rules thanks

You said you dont think i will flip red but you'd recommend shooting me. You also just said the votes on me are questionable (they are), so i dont understand your logic unless you are just calling for a policy kill because you dont like my style.

You don't have to flip red to still not be town.

[Roden]

Not feeling super strongly about anyone except that I think Shrek is town. (his play feels much better and different than our previous scum game together, as well as fairly logical and productive in this game)

Why the unvote instead of moving onto a scumlean? I low key think Roden is 3p since he brought up the possibility of mastina being 3p. Why Galron?

So you believe I'm projecting?

[Roden]

I must confess I have no idea about this flavour... is it a movie or a show?

It's a MCU show. It went on for nine episodes and had a main antagonist (powerful witch Agatha) and a side antagonist (corrupt SWORD boss Tyler Hayward). Wanda herself wasn't necessarily a hero either since she accidentally possessed the citizens of the town she was supposed to live in and didn't let them go even after she found out what she was doing.

[Roden]

Not feeling super strongly about anyone except that I think Shrek is town. (his play feels much better and different than our previous scum game together, as well as fairly logical and productive in this game)

Why the unvote instead of moving onto a scumlean? I low key think Roden is 3p since he brought up the possibility of mastina being 3p. Why Galron?

So you believe I'm projecting?

I don't know what that means. If you mean I think you TMI'd on the setup having a 3p, yes I do believe that's possible.

Did nobody actually read the description...? I keep saying that this was advertised as multiball in the queue.

[Roden]

Who else doesn't know this is multiball? Legitimate question.

[Roden]

Game Name

:

Scarlet Witch Alternate Reality Mafia

Flavor/Mechanics:

A mafia game themed based on Marvel Wandavision tv series!

Your Experience:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=ArcAngel9

Current Modding Commitments:

Newbie 2077

Reviewed By:

GuyInFreezer

Back-Up or Co-Mod:

None

Number of Players:

13

Hydrae:

Limits to 2

Restrictions:

None

Is it possible your game has any of the following bastard roles or mechanics? cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game

: Cant say! It is a Multiball

I'm gonna be mad if I'm getting scum read for being the only who to actually read the game description in the queue.

[Roden]

i wonder if this is multiball or not. if only there were someone to mention it to me

I appreciate the sarcasm but everyone's looking at me weird for hunting for 3P in a 3P game.

[Roden]

But I'm already in your pocket

[Roden]

Call it character development

[Roden]

I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.

Pre-flip theory crafting is exactly why I suggested this earlier.

[Roden]

Guillo has no problem hard bussing team mates. You saw this first hand, Mastina.

[Roden]

Guillo how am I discrediting you if you're literally admitting I'm correct? Lol

[Roden]

Btw I'm Todd Davis/Arthur Hart. My flavor is that I play the role of Vision's boss once reality gets altered by Wanda. I can role claim next if necessary, but my power is relatively weak.

[Roden]

Btw I'm Todd Davis/Arthur Hart. My flavor is that I play the role of Vision's boss once reality gets altered by Wanda. I can role claim next if necessary, but my power is relatively weak.

I'm a Visitor that fails if I target anyone other than Vision, the flavor being from the plot of the first episode where my character was coming over to Wanda and Vision's home for dinner. Vision knows if I successfully Visit them, and doing so also reveals to me who Wanda is. However, this doesn't inform me of either of their alignments.

[Roden]

Guillo how am I discrediting you if you're literally admitting I'm correct? Lol

You are scum reading me and third party reading me and never ever have you considered to understand why im pushing you. Stop playing dumb Roden, the fact that i hard bus negative utility wolves for cred is not the discredit, it’s you trying to get over at any cost.

I actually have considered why you're pushing me, and I came to the conclusion that it was for non-town reasons.

And before you twist my words like you have been all day, no, im not scum this game.

Where have I twisted your words?

[Roden]

Actually if you genuinely believe that I never considered to understand why you're pushing me, that implies you think I'm town.

[Roden]

Bad town admittedly, but town nonetheless. So is that a slip or are you intentionally pushing a town read?

[Roden]

Actually if you genuinely believe that I never considered to understand why you're pushing me, that implies you think I'm town.

No, I'm implying that you are scum with an agenda. I've been very clear that I don't town read you.

If I'm scum with an agenda and you're town, I don't have to understand why you're pushing me because obviously I am your enemy. Town can't plead with scum to try to understand them because scum's objective is to deceive and kill despite knowing the truth. So why are you pleading with scum to understand your perspective?

If I'm not a town read, then you're slipping that I'm town through TMI.

[Roden]

Roden's claim feels believable? But also he's such a minor character, I could see that as one of scum's fakeclaims.

I really just want to lim Roden here.

I'm Abilash Tandon/Norm. VT

This is such a confusing line of posts? You think I could be fake claiming because my role is a minor character, yet you're claiming Norm who has zero plot relevance? Mine actually has plot relevance in the first episode and could easily be Masons with the character who plays his wife, so it would be so unnecessarily risky to fake claim this guy.

I have no idea why you still want to elim me here if you believe my claim anyway.

[Roden]

Actually if you genuinely believe that I never considered to understand why you're pushing me, that implies you think I'm town.

No, I'm implying that you are scum with an agenda. I've been very clear that I don't town read you.

If I'm scum with an agenda and you're town, I don't have to understand why you're pushing me because obviously I am your enemy. Town can't plead with scum to try to understand them because scum's objective is to deceive and kill despite knowing the truth. So why are you pleading with scum to understand your perspective?

If I'm not a town read, then you're slipping that I'm town through TMI.

That's because I don't know that you are scum, I suspect you to be scum dude. If I knew you were scum, you'd be dead already.

Really?

Guillo fuming that he got caught early lol

You got the story crooked. I caught you and i cant wait for your flip and bet that best town performance nomination

What's this post then?

Mastina is town. They were fast to break RVS off, negating wolves the chance to blend in.

Roden is obvious scum
VOTE: Roden

Why does your very first post claim that I'm obvscum?

[Roden]

Mastina what do you think about the role though?

Worthless if Wanda and Vision are town (why does a town role need to find town?), too OP if Wanda and Vision are scum (why would a town role be able to out an entire scumteam?).

So either way, makes nominally more sense as a scum role. I can SEE Rodens claim being town, but I think scum is overall more likely.

BTW, current feels:
2/3 scum in {Roden, T3, Guillotina},
Element scum,
Zyla scum.

Assuming Wanda/Vision aren't scum, it let's me find the real ones and confirm them as town.

So either way, makes nominally more sense as a scum role. I can SEE Rodens claim being town, but I think scum is overall more likely.

If scum could explain why Roden was so eager to claim to clear himself. Rolefishing.

How is it rolefishing?

[Roden]

Roden's claim feels believable? But also he's such a minor character, I could see that as one of scum's fakeclaims.

I really just want to lim Roden here.

I'm Abilash Tandon/Norm. VT

This is such a confusing line of posts? You think I could be fake claiming because my role is a minor character, yet you're claiming Norm who has zero plot relevance? Mine actually has plot relevance in the first episode and could easily be Masons with the character who plays his wife, so it would be so unnecessarily risky to fake claim this guy.

I have no idea why you still want to elim me here if you believe my claim anyway.

To add to this, why haven't you tried to meta me yet? You usually love using meta and dumping meta analysis posts in the game.

[Roden]

The way Roden is playing rn and actively gunning for people for shit reasons means he's probably scum. I also get why mastina says Roden feels different to Yakra.

You're playing

very

differently this game.

I am.

I'm Abilash Tandon/Norm. VT

These two posts feel a lot less congruent now that you're claiming VT.

[Roden]

How is it rolefishing?

It's not really rocket science, if you're scum, you'd know Wanda/Vision were town and likely the most powerful PRs (if they're the main characters) and that kind of a role might encourage them to signal to you.

This doesn't feel like a real thought process. Why would Wanda signal to me if Visiting her results in a failed action? I only learn from Visiting Vision, no one else.

Second, why would Vision signal to me? I can only confirm their roles, I don't offer any utility besides that. I genuinely think it would be stupid for Vision to do that and highly recommend that they don't do that.

As far as my role goes, if I don't get mis-elim'd today, I won't be revealing who I Visit at night anyway. Doing so just narrows down who

isn't

Vision if I claim a failed action on a name.

[Roden]

You've called me awkward and now accused me of faking a thought process...yet you think I'm town?

OK so I thought you could confirm both, and yes it is a bad idea for anyone to signal to you or for you to reveal anything. Although if you live long enough to find Vision it might be a good idea to plan that reveal if Vision is a town role based on other flips.

I don't think your town, but you're also not my strongest scum read. Guillo is, with T3 right behind him. I could be wrong about you though.

I'll confirm Vision and Wanda only if one of them is at risk of being elim'd, or if I can narrow down PoE to a point where we have an unstoppable town win.

[Roden]

VOTE: Roden

Baaa

But seriously I am watching mastina do her work and you are giving off really weird reads and vibes this game.

The role claim is kinda strange too.

Are you counter claiming?

[Roden]

For the record I do not support the roden wagon right now.
This feels very apart from his scum play that I am used to. (Haven't had any personal experience with town!roden but have played with scum! Roden a few times.)

What happened to this?

[Roden]

I'm predicting a town loss at this point, y'all are letting scum control the narrative and trying to mis-elim a plot relevant flavor claim that no one else has CC'd.

[Roden]

For the record I do not support the roden wagon right now.
This feels very apart from his scum play that I am used to. (Haven't had any personal experience with town!roden but have played with scum! Roden a few times.)

What happened to this?

Becausr scum!Roden reads to me as calm and collected. But here you are just feeling like you lash out at everything. You weren't reading as scum but as ???. The change now is I tr or tl on more players, so poe leaves you more likely.

And I am not counterclaiming you, but that role seems convoluted at best.

Your read on me should mean you think I'm town then?

[Roden]

This is so fucking baffling.

[Roden]

It reads at not your scum game but it doesn't look like town either.

Also your claim feels like you could have gotten it as a VT fakeclaim but instead you chose to give it a convoluted flavor ability in order to be flavor cleared for it.

You've literally never played with town me until this game.

Visitor who can only visit a certain role is not convoluted lol. That's an obvious reach and you know it.

[Roden]

Like I genuinely don't see how someone can say "I don't think you're scum but I'm voting for you anyway" and think that's pro-town in any way.

[Roden]

"None of us are controlling the narrative"
*votes a non-CC'd townie who got meta'd as town*

Ok lol.

[Roden]

It's wild that my first mis-elim is gonna be when I obv-town'd and caught at least two scum Day 1. And I bet nearly all of you are gonna ignore my reads even after I get proven right with my flip.

[Roden]

VOTE: Roden

Here you go NM.

[Roden]

But I'm scum remember, isn't it obvious

[Roden]

Pay attention to who got scared when I said I could confirm Vision and Wanda.

[Roden]

if you want to throw then sure keep voting yourself

Meh.

UNVOTE:

[Roden]

Prematurely ending today would feed my pettiness but just hurt town

[Roden]

Cheeky could still be town I guess. Guillo 100% TMI'd though and everyone can obviously see it. T3 is playing super scummy, giving zero content, and refusing to use meta even though he always does that as town, also no outrageous gambits either. His partner probably threatened to bus him if he tried to pull any dumb stunts. According to Mastina, there's two scum within me/Guillo/T3, so with my green flip obviously they should go next. If you guys don't elim them next then you're hard throwing.

As for Mega, they're voting me even though they don't believe I'm scum. Their earlier attempt to defend me was likely to get town cred after I flip green. Idk wtf they're doing but if they are town then they're actively deciding to throw. They also took the middle/4th vote on my wagon which scum notoriously love to do. Do with that info as you wish.

[Roden]

If there is a Day Vig they 100% should shoot me here. I'd take that over a mis-elim.

[Roden]

If there is a Day Vig they 100% should shoot me here. I'd take that over a mis-elim.

Are you sure?

If you're actually Day Vig then oof, but yeah. Shoot me then elim T3.

Does the day end if you vig?

Does it usually?

[Roden]

Well shooting me is pointless if it ends the day, I'm already today's wagon.

[Roden]

Tbh I have no idea what flavor could even do that though.

[Roden]

I'd rather get shot in case T3 is BP. Though I guess if he does end up being BP then we know he lied about being VT. I won't ask if you're Strongman though.

[Roden]

I would advise to shoot me later in the game. If it doesn't end the day then it may be best to shoot lurking slots like Enchant or Zyla so we don't have to waste lims on people scum won't shoot.

I get full credit if T3 flips scum BTW VOTE: T3

you are scumreading me because 'i have no fire'
what a dumb case

Aren't you scum reading me because I didn't get mad and throw a fit on page 2?

[Roden]

Like I genuinely don't see how someone can say "I don't think you're scum but I'm voting for you anyway" and think that's pro-town in any way.

I do think you are scum. The way you play scum can very easily change because it is multiball for a variety of reasons.

I only said t3 because they were said by guillo, and I wasn't opposed to it. Don't have much of a read on them which puts them in poe pool.

Scum is scum lol, being 3P shouldn't change scummy behavior that much because you still want to eliminate everyone not aligned with you.

[Roden]

if Visiting her results in a failed action

Is this a thing?

That is indeed a thing.

[Roden]

Cheeky could still be town I guess. Guillo 100% TMI'd though and everyone can obviously see it. T3 is playing super scummy, giving zero content, and refusing to use meta even though he always does that as town, also no outrageous gambits either. His partner probably threatened to bus him if he tried to pull any dumb stunts. According to Mastina, there's two scum within me/Guillo/T3, so with my green flip obviously they should go next. If you guys don't elim them next then you're hard throwing.

As for Mega, they're voting me even though they don't believe I'm scum. Their earlier attempt to defend me was likely to get town cred after I flip green. Idk wtf they're doing but if they are town then they're actively deciding to throw. They also took the middle/4th vote on my wagon which scum notoriously love to do. Do with that info as you wish.

literally you are shading everyone for dumb reasons and then walking back on the read with no evidence

Four reads = everyone

[Roden]

roden is ateing over a pointless thing

If you believe that then why would scum do that?

and i also meta people as scum
ughhhh

What does this info change?

[Roden]

Ok like how in the hell does the 3 of you claiming help town?at t3 @ rodan @Guiloina.

Should I have not claimed when I got wagon'd and people said they wanted me gone...?

[Roden]

roden is ateing over a pointless thing

If you believe that then why would scum do that?

and i also meta people as scum
ughhhh

What does this info change?

i dont see town you selfvoting like that

???

I literally did that in Yakra.

[Roden]

also someone said that town meta usually metas people

I town meta'd myself in Yakra and was also town there.

[Roden]

roden is ateing over a pointless thing

If you believe that then why would scum do that?

and i also meta people as scum
ughhhh

What does this info change?

i dont see town you selfvoting like that

???

I literally did that in Yakra.

this is like arguing with a religious conservative

Oof.

Yet you don't deny what I said.

[Roden]

viewtopic.php?t=87275&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

For those curious.

[Roden]

It does not end the day.

Well this would be a great way to resolve the Roden-T3-Guillotina trio.

Shoot Roden, eliminate T3, and that's 2/3 gone and flipped D1.

VOTE: T3

It should resolve Guillo too, it'd be wild if scum or 3P had a Day Vig.

[Roden]

Guillo, just shoot me.

[Roden]

T3, let's hypothetically say you're wrong about me and I'm wrong about you and we're both just town. Because depending on who Guillo shoots, this may be a possibility one of us has to deal with. Who's the scummiest person to you if/when I get shot and flip green?

[Roden]

Hiraki please don't say dumb shit like that that'll make you look bad after my green flip, I'm pretty sure you're actually town.

[Roden]

Telling the Day Vig to shoot me to avoid a mis-elim isn't AtE and I honestly don't see how you could think that. That goes beyond not making sense.

[Roden]

I don't think Shrek is scum.

[Roden]

If me and T3 don't die today it's just gonna get dragged on to tomorrow, and we'll learn nothing because a lurker most likely gets NK'd to avoid confirming or denying associatives.

[Roden]

Guillo that looks so fucking bad omg

[Roden]

According to Mastina, there's two scum within me/Guillo/T3, so with my green flip obviously they should go next. If you guys don't elim them next then you're hard throwing.

I guess we're just back to this then? The Day Vig claim was really dumb.

[Roden]

VOTE: Roden

See you Night 2, Guillo.

[Roden]

Elim all liars.

[Roden]

Pay attention to who got scared when I said I could confirm Vision and Wanda.

[Roden]

Literally what am I supposed to do if you'd rather listen to obvscum and nobody wants to believe me no matter what I say

[Roden]

You hard pushed town then said a bunch of really scummy shit for no reason even though you're town

[Roden]

Hiraki do you really believe I wasn't getting mis-elim'd today

[Roden]

Like I genuinely don't see how you could believe scum does anything that I did today

[Roden]

No you're bad town

[Roden]

Like a part of the reason I'm even getting scum read is because half the players didn't read the game description and thought I was just randomly shading people for being 3P when this was literally advertised as multiball

[Roden]

i'll take the encouragement from someone actively using ATE and self-voting

Literally what am I supposed to do if you'd rather listen to obvscum and nobody wants to believe me no matter what I say

[Roden]

i'll take the encouragement from someone actively using ATE and self-voting

Like if you're mad that I didn't play the exact way you think town should play then fine I guess? But literally all the people you've suggested to vote out have all been people you just show distaste for.

[Roden]

GG, thanks for the game AA9.

Also heavily agree about Enchant, they did a great job turning a lose-lose situation into a surprise win.