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House · Post Post #18 (isolation #0) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:04 pm

In post 17, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 16, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Is this a vote for T3 or Three?
sorry, I was trying to be quirky lol

It's for Three.

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Quirkiness is towny.

Trying to be, isn't.

House · Post Post #19 (isolation #1) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:27 pm

Slow for a d1.

House · Post Post #20 (isolation #2) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:30 pm

House · Post Post #21 (isolation #3) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:30 pm

House · Post Post #22 (isolation #4) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:30 pm

House · Post Post #23 (isolation #5) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:30 pm

House · Post Post #24 (isolation #6) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:30 pm

House · Post Post #25 (isolation #7) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:30 pm

House · Post Post #28 (isolation #8) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:35 pm

In post 27, redtea wrote:wow scummy
VOTE: House

Oh noez!

I just got got.

House · Post Post #31 (isolation #9) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:07 pm

In post 30, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 18, House wrote:Quirkiness is towny.
I was more so shitposting, but now I'm curious.

How is quirkiness a towny trait? That seems dependent on the individual more than anything.

Like, kinda... but natural weirdness carries a different tone to it than masking to hide alignment kind of weirdness.

House · Post Post #34 (isolation #10) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:32 pm

In post 33, GeorgeBailey wrote:i'm just excited that both of the Hugh Lauries are in this game

Wake's my homie. We met on another site and he introduced me to this one.

House · Post Post #37 (isolation #11) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:50 pm

In post 36, GeorgeBailey wrote:Eh, it was just an awkward response cause I was apologizing to the mod for making their job harder.

Your were in prime position for a Slayer's Gambit, but no... you had to go and be all HONEST and shit.

UNVOTE:

House · Post Post #54 (isolation #12) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:02 pm

Honestly, not a fan of sexuality being tied to negative implications, regardless of whether it's a joke or not.

House · Post Post #59 (isolation #13) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:08 pm

In post 57, Osetr wrote:
In post 53, Three wrote:
In post 45, Jacket wrote:
In post 42, Osetr wrote:quirkiness is towny for an average by-the-book player but for someone like me if im forcing a joke too hard it means im scum, very simple

In post 40, Osetr wrote:hawaiian pizza kinda sus ngl
scumread by the entirety of reddit
VOTE: Osetr
who

VOTE: Osetr

Who me froo me.

House · Post Post #65 (isolation #14) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:10 pm

In post 58, redtea wrote:i tried very hard to skirt that by not using "scum"
my apologies
But I do think it's hilarious that "the gay mafia" is an existing in-community joke.
(for the record I am gay. But I know I do not speak for us all)

I mean, I'm not gay. I'm an LGBTQ+ ally.

But I wasn't strictly defending homosexuality, there.

Straight = Mafia aligned is just as repugnant, FMPOV.

House · Post Post #69 (isolation #15) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:12 pm

In post 67, redtea wrote:i see i see
personally i think the gay mafia, however, is "swag"

gay mafia ≠ gay means Mafia aligned

House · Post Post #80 (isolation #16) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:16 pm

In post 77, redtea wrote:okay real vote

VOTE: Osetr
this is who s dying today

I don't hate it.

House · Post Post #81 (isolation #17) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:17 pm

In post 79, redtea wrote:thezenman and wake i think

Wake is my boy.

Works a shit ton, so hopefully he's getting some well-deserved rest right now.

House · Post Post #88 (isolation #18) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:23 pm

3 votes in, dude is already flailing.

Wow.

House · Post Post #102 (isolation #19) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:33 pm

Osetr, who's the scum on your wagon?

House · Post Post #112 (isolation #20) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:37 pm

In post 106, Osetr wrote:
In post 102, House wrote:Osetr, who's the scum on your wagon?
my opinion literally does not matter, i know youre asking me to make me look obvious town or something but my part here is done, its not my problem theres votes on me

I mean, if you're town, it kinda is. If town dies, scum gets 2 kills instead of just the nk.

If you're scum, votes on you are your problem because dying hurts your team.

No matter your alignment, being voted kinda is your problem.

House · Post Post #119 (isolation #21) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:42 pm

I prefer lim, myself.

I'm too lazy to use the full word all the time.

House · Post Post #123 (isolation #22) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:44 pm

In post 121, Jacket wrote:fua is really obvious scum.

Why?

House · Post Post #127 (isolation #23) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:45 pm

In post 125, Osetr wrote:
In post 121, Jacket wrote:I think Osetr is town.

fua is really obvious scum.
sorry bro but i feel like their minds are already made up

Mason tell harder.

House · Post Post #130 (isolation #24) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:46 pm

In post 128, Jacket wrote:Also, frankly rude to tell someone new not to play again.

Anyone, for that matter

New or not.

House · Post Post #132 (isolation #25) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:47 pm

In post 131, Osetr wrote:
In post 127, House wrote:
In post 125, Osetr wrote:
In post 121, Jacket wrote:I think Osetr is town.

fua is really obvious scum.
sorry bro but i feel like their minds are already made up
Mason tell harder.
so am i scum or am i mason

Missing obvious jokes is a tell in itself.

House · Post Post #140 (isolation #26) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:49 pm

In post 134, fua wrote:
In post 130, House wrote:
In post 128, Jacket wrote:Also, frankly rude to tell someone new not to play again.
Anyone, for that matter

New or not.
His content is disturbing and disrespectful towards basically everyone here who's actually trying to play the game. I wouldn't say it if he was intentionally going out of his way to break the rules.

If he's breaking the rules, chill with the personal attacks and report him.

If he's not, chill with the personal attacks.

House · Post Post #150 (isolation #27) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:52 pm

In post 149, Osetr wrote:you can call me "dota" instead it will be easier to spell

If we're calling you what's easiest to spell, your name shall henceforth be as.

House · Post Post #157 (isolation #28) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:09 pm

In post 155, Osetr wrote:
In post 150, House wrote:
In post 149, Osetr wrote:you can call me "dota" instead it will be easier to spell
If we're calling you what's easiest to spell, your name shall henceforth be as.
add 1 s to that and we good

Denied, as. It's more complicated to type ass on a digital keyboard because I have to click the word on my autocomplete bar, whereas with as i just have to swipe right a fraction of an inch.

House · Post Post #158 (isolation #29) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:10 pm

In post 156, T3 wrote:
In post 18, House wrote:
In post 17, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 16, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Is this a vote for T3 or Three?
sorry, I was trying to be quirky lol

It's for Three.
VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Quirkiness is towny.

Trying to be, isn't.
This is reading too deep.

House · Post Post #161 (isolation #30) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:15 pm

In post 159, T3 wrote:
In post 27, redtea wrote:wow scummy
VOTE: House
Serious vote?
also ahhhhhh it's 4:11 am and i have a physics exam today
what am i doing

Guess it's scummy to spam a pagetop out of boredom during rvs when nobody else is around.

Who knew?

House · Post Post #163 (isolation #31) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:16 pm

In post 162, T3 wrote:
In post 41, Osetr wrote:also having a gut feeling that hawaiian pizza is gay

Oh, do keep reading.

House · Post Post #167 (isolation #32) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:19 pm

In post 166, T3 wrote:
In post 161, House wrote:
In post 159, T3 wrote:
In post 27, redtea wrote:wow scummy
VOTE: House
Serious vote?
also ahhhhhh it's 4:11 am and i have a physics exam today
what am i doing
Guess it's scummy to spam a pagetop out of boredom during rvs when nobody else is around.

Who knew?
You voted Bogdan.

Who is bogdan?

House · Post Post #170 (isolation #33) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:20 pm

The name Bogdan makes me think of Baigan.

House · Post Post #173 (isolation #34) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:22 pm

In post 171, T3 wrote:Buddies, huh
not like I'm scum or anything so I don't have them

You know we're pals!

House · Post Post #174 (isolation #35) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:23 pm

In post 172, T3 wrote:
In post 167, House wrote:
In post 166, T3 wrote:
In post 161, House wrote:
In post 159, T3 wrote:
In post 27, redtea wrote:wow scummy
VOTE: House
Serious vote?
also ahhhhhh it's 4:11 am and i have a physics exam today
what am i doing
Guess it's scummy to spam a pagetop out of boredom during rvs when nobody else is around.

Who knew?
You voted Bogdan.
Who is bogdan?
Autocorrect I was trying to type Borge

Every lim has to start somewhere.

House · Post Post #192 (isolation #36) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:53 pm

In post 191, Osetr wrote:
In post 190, T3 wrote:
In post 134, fua wrote:
In post 130, House wrote:
In post 128, Jacket wrote:Also, frankly rude to tell someone new not to play again.
Anyone, for that matter

New or not.
His content is disturbing and disrespectful towards basically everyone here who's actually trying to play the game. I wouldn't say it if he was intentionally going out of his way to break the rules.
MU stopped using l-word (i think) so yeah, this makes sense.
no it depends on the host, some dont care some go liberal mode and disallow it

It's no longer the game mod's decision.

House · Post Post #194 (isolation #37) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:59 pm

In post 193, T3 wrote:
In post 137, Jacket wrote:
In post 124, fua wrote:
In post 121, Jacket wrote:I think Osetr is town.

fua is really obvious scum.
No, I'm not. You just haven't played with me before.
Given that you're a new account (alt, I presume), I would say exactly no one has played with you before.
You are one to talk.

Aren't we all

House · Post Post #201 (isolation #38) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:22 pm

In post 200, T3 wrote:
In post 199, Osetr wrote:
In post 197, T3 wrote:
In post 149, Osetr wrote:you can call me "dota" instead it will be easier to spell
Aren't you banned from MU
thats why im here
yikes
have fun getting banned from here too

Ya, if he couldn't cut it there, he won't be here long.

House · Post Post #245 (isolation #39) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:28 am

In post 220, Osetr wrote:
In post 216, T3 wrote:UNVOTE: osetr
He's an 18 year old who came on thus site to troll and be homophobic. He'll likely be banned and/or force replaced. Hopefully his replacement will be more readable.
lmao how am i homophobic if im friends with cheeze (hawaiian) whos gay

Shades of, "I ain't racist, my best friend is black"

House · Post Post #247 (isolation #40) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:31 am

In post 236, Dwlee99 wrote:Hello friends and new ones

dwlee!

*Squeeee*

House · Post Post #248 (isolation #41) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:31 am

In post 237, Dwlee99 wrote:House why am I voting you?

We're distancing, remember?

House · Post Post #249 (isolation #42) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:32 am

In post 242, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 240, GeorgeBailey wrote:Alright I switched over to maftigers to read the votecounts.

Let's do this everyone.

Sorry, housekeeping the thread

Will be looking at alternative mod colors to fit all themes, gold is just one I liked that is easy to do from mobile

Gold rocks on mafBlack, the superior theme.

House · Post Post #251 (isolation #43) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:39 am

In post 250, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 248, House wrote:
In post 237, Dwlee99 wrote:House why am I voting you?
We're distancing, remember?
Right, I should have read our mason chat before asking oops

Who's the scum on my wagon?

House · Post Post #253 (isolation #44) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:51 am

Boo hiss.

I need to try harder.

House · Post Post #256 (isolation #45) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:34 am

In post 254, Save The Dragons wrote:who said this could be 11 pages overnight

Presumably, anyone familiar with me.

House · Post Post #258 (isolation #46) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:43 am

In post 257, Save The Dragons wrote:wow this game is a dumpster fire

And I'm not the one holding the match.

Strange times, indeed.

House · Post Post #262 (isolation #47) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:42 am

In post 261, cool cookie wrote:I'm going to claim. I'm an Informed Townie. I know there is a Bulletproof Mafia Traitor in the game. I think the quotes below are Redtea signalling to the rest of the mafia that they are said traitor, partly given it was a really weird out-on-a-limb connection to make in the context of the discussion to that point, and partly because there are very few reasons to make such an effort to hint that you are mafia-aligned, other than being the mafia traitor.

In post 43, redtea wrote:(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

In post 46, redtea wrote:im gay
VOTE: redtea

I could be wrong, but there's nothing really lost by me claiming anyway as that's my only power.

I... can actually see this as a thing.

If you squint, you can read between the lines to see "Translator's Note" as "Traitor's Note".

VOTE: redtea

House · Post Post #273 (isolation #48) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:00 am

In post 269, T3 wrote:
In post 256, House wrote:
In post 254, Save The Dragons wrote:who said this could be 11 pages overnight
Presumably, anyone familiar with me.

If you could make that meme with an actual picture of Dr. House & in a sig friendly size, I'd totally use it.

House · Post Post #276 (isolation #49) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:02 am

In post 275, T3 wrote:
In post 273, House wrote:
In post 269, T3 wrote:
In post 256, House wrote:
In post 254, Save The Dragons wrote:who said this could be 11 pages overnight
Presumably, anyone familiar with me.

If you could make that meme with an actual picture of Dr. House & in a sig friendly size, I'd totally use it.
You can't add images to sigs

That's a terribad rule.

House · Post Post #284 (isolation #50) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:28 am

In post 283, T3 wrote:

like 95% of the time an unprovoked fakeclaim, details about role pm, or soft will come from town

I'll look into that.

House · Post Post #286 (isolation #51) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:32 am

In post 285, T3 wrote:I'm going to meta someone in the hopes that I can find a locktown
brb

Pick me!

Pick me!

House · Post Post #309 (isolation #52) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:26 am

Not giving the traitor an excuse to fish out a PR.

VOTE: redtea

House · Post Post #340 (isolation #53) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:04 am

In post 337, redtea wrote:maybe in case someone decides i'm town and unvotes me idk

Nah.

Not feeling it, tbh.

House · Post Post #353 (isolation #54) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:33 am

UNVOTE:

House · Post Post #355 (isolation #55) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:33 am

I'd expect protective or investigative as a fake claim.

House · Post Post #356 (isolation #56) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:34 am

Vig fakeclaim is risky, as a real vig will just cc with a bullet.

House · Post Post #361 (isolation #57) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:42 am

In post 359, cool cookie wrote:
In post 356, House wrote:Vig fakeclaim is risky, as a real vig will just cc with a bullet.
real vig cant kill a bulletproof traitor

Fair.

House · Post Post #363 (isolation #58) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:52 am

I kinda want to give them a night to see if there are 2 kills.

If they're town, scum probably does the job for us.

They get nowhere near Elo with that claim.

House · Post Post #366 (isolation #59) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:59 am

In post 365, Three wrote:Complex Vig means redtea can only shoot PRs, right?

Yes

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Complex

House · Post Post #375 (isolation #60) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:45 pm

In post 368, Three wrote:Then if we believe cookie and redtea, that means redtea is also effectively a pseudo cop.

No, it doesn't.

Redtea can't shoot goons, either.

They're considered vanilla scum.

House · Post Post #376 (isolation #61) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:46 pm

In post 368, Three wrote:The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario

A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.

House · Post Post #385 (isolation #62) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:17 pm

In post 377, Three wrote:
In post 375, House wrote: Redtea can't shoot goons, either.

They're considered vanilla scum.

In post 376, House wrote: A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.
I'm a little confused here.

Quote the whole post.

That should erase your confusion.

House · Post Post #386 (isolation #63) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:19 pm

In post 383, redtea wrote:Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced

That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.

House · Post Post #390 (isolation #64) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:57 pm

In post 375, House wrote:
In post 368, Three wrote:Then if we believe cookie and redtea, that means redtea is also effectively a pseudo cop.
No, it doesn't.

Redtea can't shoot goons, either.

They're considered vanilla scum.

Self-explanatory

In post 376, House wrote:
In post 368, Three wrote:The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario
A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.

In post 389, Three wrote: Especially if redtea can apparently gets false innocent results on Goons?

Ta-Da~

House · Post Post #392 (isolation #65) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:33 pm

In post 391, Three wrote:I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.

I'd say immunity to a PR's action and the potential to mislead town with a false Inno is pretty powerful.

House · Post Post #395 (isolation #66) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:03 pm

In post 393, redtea wrote:true. Does that point two 2 mafia prs then not counting the traitor, assuming the mod didn't have some odd idea then? And assuming I'm town ofc.

The fact you're gated and the traitor is immune is what makes me think the scum team has one PR & one goon, if your claim is real.

Quasi-investigatives typically have false positives/negatives.

House · Post Post #397 (isolation #67) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:04 pm

In post 394, redtea wrote:like, I'm very collaborative. Unless I'm dead-fucking-sure I'm right, I listen to what town suggests, and especially in this situation. If people don't recommend using it for now, that's fine. I think that's the way to go based on what info we have now too.

If we hit scum, shoot.

If not, holster.

Just like any other vig.

Just don't jump to conclusions unless a goon flips.

House · Post Post #400 (isolation #68) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:07 pm

In post 398, Three wrote:
In post 392, House wrote:
In post 391, Three wrote:I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.
I'd say immunity to a PR's action and the potential to mislead town with a false Inno is pretty powerful.
Sigh. You're just arguing semantics then. And not even particularly useful semantics.

I'm arguing UTILITY.

Staying to think you're not really misunderstanding me.

This shit is getting pretty blatant.

House · Post Post #401 (isolation #69) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:07 pm

In post 399, redtea wrote:I think three made the point that my role is borderline negative-utility

I did.

Three echoed.

House · Post Post #413 (isolation #70) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:37 pm

In post 409, Three wrote:
In post 400, House wrote:
In post 398, Three wrote:
In post 392, House wrote:
In post 391, Three wrote:I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.
I'd say immunity to a PR's action and the potential to mislead town with a false Inno is pretty powerful.
Sigh. You're just arguing semantics then. And not even particularly useful semantics.
I'm arguing UTILITY.

Staying to think you're not really misunderstanding me.

This shit is getting pretty blatant.
Please take a second to breathe. This is the first time you mentioned utility, you specifically said PR before this. I don't really care about winning a semantics argument, especially since we're apparently on the same page anyway. So maybe drop this pointless back and forth.

Utility is... what makes a PR... a PR...

A PR... without utility... is just a... named townie/scum...

400head.

House · Post Post #425 (isolation #71) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:17 pm

In post 423, fua wrote:If we don’t believe the claim, then let the real vigilante shoot redtea at night. If redtea is still alive, that means that they’re a confirmed townie or we just found two scum covering for each other.

Or... and I'm just spitballing here... there may be no vig...

House · Post Post #427 (isolation #72) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:18 pm

In post 426, fua wrote:My gut says that Cool Cookie and redtea are both town, though. Dunno why two scum would out themselves immediately.

Cookie is, for sure.

redtea didn't have much choice

House · Post Post #432 (isolation #73) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:24 pm

In post 428, fua wrote:
In post 425, House wrote:
In post 423, fua wrote:If we don’t believe the claim, then let the real vigilante shoot redtea at night. If redtea is still alive, that means that they’re a confirmed townie or we just found two scum covering for each other.
Or... and I'm just spitballing here... there may be no vig...
If there’s no vigilante, why would the traitor be bulletproof? Wouldn’t that mean cool cookie and redtea are both lying about the claim?

Unless you’re saying that it’s so mafia can’t actually kill the traitor, in which case what you’re saying is possible.

Now we're on the same page.

I'm not fussed about the vig claim. redtea never sees elo after coming out with that.

I just hope we get utility out of it before they die, if it's real.

House · Post Post #434 (isolation #74) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:26 pm

In post 433, fua wrote:
In post 388, Three wrote:
In post 386, House wrote:
In post 383, redtea wrote:Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced
That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
This is where I'm at.

If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?

Because he agreed not to shoot if we mislim.

If there are 2 kills tonight after a mislim, he's outed.

House · Post Post #438 (isolation #75) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:28 pm

In post 436, Three wrote:
In post 433, fua wrote:
In post 388, Three wrote:
In post 386, House wrote:
In post 383, redtea wrote:Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced
That's my guess.

It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
This is where I'm at.

If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?
Questioning why a slot isn't dead =/= I want the slot.

But I'm sure you know you're reaching here.

It does ON DAY ONE.

House · Post Post #439 (isolation #76) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:29 pm

VOTE: Three

This seems like a good push.

House · Post Post #455 (isolation #77) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:29 pm

In post 454, Three wrote:I don't think House is scum either. He's just mad.

Who, me?

House · Post Post #456 (isolation #78) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:31 pm

I'm mostly not here. Just took some muscle relaxers.

I'll be back tomorrow afternoon.

House · Post Post #492 (isolation #79) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:22 am

In post 457, Three wrote:Hope you feel better. Sorry if I annoyed you.

Nah, you're good.

I was just in pain yesterday.

House · Post Post #493 (isolation #80) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:26 am

In post 466, T3 wrote:
In post 418, Three wrote:
In post 406, T3 wrote:
In post 358, cool cookie wrote:i'm ambivalent about the claim. an outted traitor doesn't serve much purpose for mafia, so there isn't anything we particularly lose by giving redtea a night to prove the claim. gut is i don't buy it though

In post 364, Three wrote:
In post 339, T3 wrote:Eghhhh
I kind of see where jacket is coming from with fua obv scum though
How so?
Fua's vote on george gut pinged me as really terrible.
I see.

VOTE: Fua
uh....
Why?

I don't get this.

Between Jacket and you casing Fua, why are you confused about the vote?

This doesn't seem genuine.

House · Post Post #494 (isolation #81) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:28 am

In post 467, T3 wrote:
In post 419, redtea wrote:
In post 417, T3 wrote:
In post 412, redtea wrote:this is ridiculous
if this isn't tvt i'll eat this delicious brownie
does scum go this hard over mechanics
People tend to write off shitfights like this as tvt
in practice they are actually slightly >rand t/s
I guess I should've said that it wasnt just the back and forth, but the vibes of it plus the fact it's all over the place
interesting tho

In post 420, redtea wrote:i think also it depends on the players
Fair.
I recently played a game where my scumpartner got into a fight with a townie that took up like half of the day and everyone wrote it off as tvt.

Do because of one instance of "shitfighting" being TvS, you consider it to be >rand TvS when it happens?

Ehhhh.

House · Post Post #495 (isolation #82) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:29 am

In post 494, House wrote:
In post 467, T3 wrote:
In post 419, redtea wrote:
In post 417, T3 wrote:
In post 412, redtea wrote:this is ridiculous
if this isn't tvt i'll eat this delicious brownie
does scum go this hard over mechanics
People tend to write off shitfights like this as tvt
in practice they are actually slightly >rand t/s
I guess I should've said that it wasnt just the back and forth, but the vibes of it plus the fact it's all over the place
interesting tho

In post 420, redtea wrote:i think also it depends on the players
Fair.
I recently played a game where my scumpartner got into a fight with a townie that took up like half of the day and everyone wrote it off as tvt.
So* because of one instance of "shitfighting" being TvS, you consider it to be >rand TvS when it happens?

Ehhhh.

Fix't

House · Post Post #496 (isolation #83) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:30 am

In post 468, T3 wrote:
In post 422, fua wrote:Whatever happens, we shouldn’t eliminate redtea. By nature of their actual role, unless they and the informed townie are scum together, then they’re essentially confirmed town unless they get shot by the real vigilante overnight, no? I feel like anyone trying to push for them to die because of their ‘lack of utility’ just wants to see a townie die to begin with, and strikes me as incredibly suspicious. Not to mention that redtea doesn’t even have to shoot until we’re sure we’ve bagged a mafia.

VOTE: Three

Your insistence on killing off someone who claimed a PR comes off as weird to me. Maybe the mafia has two power roles and you’re afraid of getting shot at night.
This also comes across as really forced but I kind of agree with what you're saying.

I don't understand how these 2 statements can coexist in the same post about the same content.

Please explain.

House · Post Post #497 (isolation #84) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:33 am

In post 472, T3 wrote:I hate dwlee's posts but I also always hate his posts

In post 473, Dwlee99 wrote:t3 I will policy you wtf

This reads as kinda partnery. dwlee is shading T3, but simultaneously discrediting the shade by calling it policy.

If one flips red, I'm going to want the other one dead.

House · Post Post #499 (isolation #85) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:37 am

In post 479, Save The Dragons wrote:god i reread the game and still came up with jack shit

Really?

House · Post Post #500 (isolation #86) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:38 am

In post 498, Save The Dragons wrote:i like cool cookie and house for town

Oh, you're coming out with reads.

Ossum

House · Post Post #502 (isolation #87) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:39 am

In post 481, Save The Dragons wrote:do the people that found oster scummy have opinions about dwlee

I'll get back to you on this after ketchup. I'll have to ISO them.

House · Post Post #504 (isolation #88) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:41 am

In post 487, Three wrote:
In post 481, Save The Dragons wrote:do the people that found oster scummy have opinions about dwlee
I voted Osetr because I didn't like them and because they would be a liability in ELo.

Dwlee so far is not that but also not much else either.

Fair take on Osetr, tbh.

I like playing with dwlee. I hope he's not scum this game.

House · Post Post #505 (isolation #89) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:44 am

In post 488, cool cookie wrote:would be good to see an explanation of the second sentence?

I can hazard a guess as to what the explanation will be, but I'll keep quiet about my opinion until I see an answer.

House · Post Post #508 (isolation #90) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:47 am

In post 490, cool cookie wrote:in which case, you become effectively vanilla. so why not elim you?

Because if we lim scum, we can use the bullet to hunt for the partner. Particularly if we get the scum!PR.

Also, if we run up a player that claims VT, there's the danger of redtea testing that claim.

redtea never makes it to ELo regardless of alignment. Let's use our lim to find otherscum.

House · Post Post #509 (isolation #91) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:50 am

In post 490, cool cookie wrote:i sort of struggle to believe fua-scum would protect redtea-traitor like this though...

StD/T3: is this a dumbtell?

House · Post Post #511 (isolation #92) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:53 am

In post 490, cool cookie wrote:it's exactly the sort of claim which might get them out of trouble

That's a really short-term strategy. If redtea is fakeclaiming, no 2nd kill on a scum lim outs them, and vig is explicitly a town only role.

Not what I'd associate with a scum agenda.

House · Post Post #513 (isolation #93) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:54 am

In post 510, Save The Dragons wrote:why

They seem to be assuming that fua knows that redtea is the traitor, when mafia is uninformed as to who the traitor is.

House · Post Post #514 (isolation #94) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:55 am

In post 512, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 497, House wrote:
In post 472, T3 wrote:I hate dwlee's posts but I also always hate his posts

In post 473, Dwlee99 wrote:t3 I will policy you wtf
This reads as kinda partnery. dwlee is shading T3, but simultaneously discrediting the shade by calling it policy.

If one flips red, I'm going to want the other one dead.
This is shallow as fuck

T3 is in like 80% of my games, of course I'm going to be friendly with him

I said nothing about your friendliness with him. I wonder why you ignored the context of my post and created your own?

House · Post Post #519 (isolation #95) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:04 am

In post 515, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 513, House wrote:
In post 510, Save The Dragons wrote:why
They seem to be assuming that fua knows that redtea is the traitor, when mafia is uninformed as to who the traitor is.
i took this to mean conditionals like fua!scum redtea!traitor

like why would fua as scum defend a potential redtea traitor

Again, that assumes knowledge of redtea's alignment.

There is scum equity in defending a towny that is coming under fire, so they (the scum) look good after the flip for not wanting to kill town. Especially if the lim is pushed through well before deadline.

Whomever scum is has to guess as to who the traitor is, just like the rest of us.

House · Post Post #523 (isolation #96) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:09 am

In post 521, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 359, cool cookie wrote:real vig cant kill a bulletproof traitor
i don't think cool cookie knows a vig can't kill BP but doesn't know that traitors are unknown to mafia

Depends on site meta wherever he comes from, maybe? I've played it both ways.

cool cookie, did you play elsewhere where traitor was known to groupscum?

House · Post Post #526 (isolation #97) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:17 am

In post 481, Save The Dragons wrote:do the people that found oster scummy have opinions about dwlee

dwlee has decent tone, and 485 is slightly town.

I'd think scum would be more aware of wagon makeup for self-preservation.

House · Post Post #527 (isolation #98) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:18 am

In post 526, House wrote:
In post 481, Save The Dragons wrote:do the people that found oster scummy have opinions about dwlee
dwlee has decent tone, and 485 is slightly town.

I'd think scum would be more aware of VC makeup and current suspicions for self-preservation.

Ehh, reworded

House · Post Post #538 (isolation #99) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:03 pm

In post 536, redtea wrote:Wait, how would I know who to go for in that situation?

Personally, I'd say use your best judgement and pray you hit red, because a green flip will require a solid explanation.

I'm sure others will likely disagree with me and want you leashed, but I don't because:

1) I hate being told what to do with my role, so I geddit
2) Probably not the best idea to let unsuspected scum influence your shot, or let them know who to avoid targeting if the target is town

House · Post Post #539 (isolation #100) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:04 pm

In post 537, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 526, House wrote:
In post 481, Save The Dragons wrote:do the people that found oster scummy have opinions about dwlee
dwlee has decent tone, and 485 is slightly town.

I'd think scum would be more aware of wagon makeup for self-preservation.
So am I town or scum?

Look at your role pm.

I can't answer that. I can just give you my opinion.

House · Post Post #543 (isolation #101) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:09 pm

In post 540, Dwlee99 wrote:Well what's your opinion, because you said I was scummy for x and then said I was townie for y

I said partnery, but fair.

I didn't know that was an exchange between outside of the game friends.

I have a townlean on you.

House · Post Post #548 (isolation #102) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:41 pm

In post 546, redtea wrote:
In post 538, House wrote:
In post 536, redtea wrote:Wait, how would I know who to go for in that situation?
Personally, I'd say use your best judgement and pray you hit red, because a green flip will require a solid explanation.

I'm sure others will likely disagree with me and want you leashed, but I don't because:

1) I hate being told what to do with my role, so I geddit
2) Probably not the best idea to let unsuspected scum influence your shot, or let them know who to avoid targeting if the target is town
then whats the part about how if there arent 2 kills after a scum lim, that will out me as fakeclaiming?

The following Day, there should be 2 flips. One from scum and one from you.

If you're targeting the same player as scum, your reads are shite at best and you need to die.

If scum doesn't know who YOU are targeting, odds are low that they'll hit the same player.

Like, technically they can no-kill, but it's suboptimal play to leave threats against them alive.

House · Post Post #561 (isolation #103) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:09 am

In post 557, redtea wrote:
In post 548, House wrote:
In post 546, redtea wrote:
In post 538, House wrote:
In post 536, redtea wrote:Wait, how would I know who to go for in that situation?
Personally, I'd say use your best judgement and pray you hit red, because a green flip will require a solid explanation.

I'm sure others will likely disagree with me and want you leashed, but I don't because:

1) I hate being told what to do with my role, so I geddit
2) Probably not the best idea to let unsuspected scum influence your shot, or let them know who to avoid targeting if the target is town
then whats the part about how if there arent 2 kills after a scum lim, that will out me as fakeclaiming?
The following Day, there should be 2 flips. One from scum and one from you.

If you're targeting the same player as scum, your reads are shite at best and you need to die.

If scum doesn't know who YOU are targeting, odds are low that they'll hit the same player.

Like, technically they can no-kill, but it's suboptimal play to leave threats against them alive.
but I'm complex and can't read minds...?
And why specifically after scum is limmed?

If you shoot after a town lim, town will risk being down 3 members on d2 if you miss.

I don't know if you can math, but that's not a good number.

House · Post Post #576 (isolation #104) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:44 am

In post 568, redtea wrote:okay okay
House
I interpreted your original post as saying, "if scum is eliminated during the day, and there is only one kill during the following night, that means redtea was fakeclaiming."
What I'm asking is, how does that work? How would I, as a town complex vigilante, be able to prove myself. I have like no idea what you're talking about. I can be town and miss. Are you saying if I miss in that scenario, I should be limmed just in case or what?

Sorry, I'm still getting used to Complex/Simple modifiers.

They weren't a thing the last time I was here.

Ignore all that.

House · Post Post #577 (isolation #105) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:44 am

In post 569, redtea wrote:this like isnt even that relevant but i dont want to end up in a weird situation later

Nah, you're right. I'm sorry.

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:36 am

In post 586, HawaiianPizza wrote:don't tell him that was actually a pretty terrible take on osetr.

As it isn't true, I won't tell him that.

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:00 am

So... rereading cookie, and I have concerns.

In post 261, cool cookie wrote:I'm going to claim. I'm an Informed Townie. I know there is a Bulletproof Mafia Traitor in the game. I think the quotes below are Redtea signalling to the rest of the mafia that they are said traitor, partly given it was a really weird out-on-a-limb connection to make in the context of the discussion to that point, and partly because there are very few reasons to make such an effort to hint that you are mafia-aligned, other than being the mafia traitor.

In post 43, redtea wrote:(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

In post 46, redtea wrote:im gay
VOTE: redtea

I could be wrong, but there's nothing really lost by me claiming anyway as that's my only power.

1) Why would the mod give info not only about the existence of a traitor, but the fact they're bulletproof? What town utility comes from outing the fact the traitor is bulletproof?

cookie could have left the bulletproof bit out of his claim and let mafia sweat hitting their traitor at night, or think they're traitor was being protected if they did shoot them.

Mentioning the bulletproof bit could have easily been a message from traitor!cookie to his team.

In post 305, cool cookie wrote:i got some reads but will see if i am alive tomorrow to share them

Why would town hold off on posting reads after leading a wagon on what they felt was a solid chance at flipping red, knowing that it's probably their only chance to do so if scum flips?

In post 321, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Vc coming, redtea is currently e-1

I don't think cookie was worried about dying at all overnight.

VOTE: cool cookie

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:05 am

In post 603, fua wrote:
In post 602, House wrote:So... rereading cookie, and I have concerns.

In post 261, cool cookie wrote:I'm going to claim. I'm an Informed Townie. I know there is a Bulletproof Mafia Traitor in the game. I think the quotes below are Redtea signalling to the rest of the mafia that they are said traitor, partly given it was a really weird out-on-a-limb connection to make in the context of the discussion to that point, and partly because there are very few reasons to make such an effort to hint that you are mafia-aligned, other than being the mafia traitor.

In post 43, redtea wrote:(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

In post 46, redtea wrote:im gay
VOTE: redtea

I could be wrong, but there's nothing really lost by me claiming anyway as that's my only power.

1) Why would the mod give info not only about the existence of a traitor, but the fact they're bulletproof? What town utility comes from outing the fact the traitor is bulletproof?

cookie could have left the bulletproof bit out of his claim and let mafia sweat hitting their traitor at night, or think they're traitor was being protected if they did shoot them.

Mentioning the bulletproof bit could have easily been a message from traitor!cookie to his team.

In post 305, cool cookie wrote:i got some reads but will see if i am alive tomorrow to share them
Why would town hold off on posting reads after leading a wagon on what they felt was a solid chance at flipping red, knowing that it's probably their only chance to do so if scum flips?

In post 321, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Vc coming, redtea is currently e-1
I don't think cookie was worried about dying at all overnight.

VOTE: cool cookie
So you think Cookie is a bulletproof traitor trying to signal to his team, and that redtea is one of the other two scum fakeclaiming to get the heat off of him since such a thing would align with his own role? I can’t imagine one being scum and not the other.

It's possible, as Mafia typically don't know who the traitor is and vice versa, but I'm not as sold on red tea being scum anymore.

I've liked my interactions with him.

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:16 am

In post 607, HawaiianPizza wrote:what is "gated"?

Restricted.

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:18 am

In post 607, HawaiianPizza wrote:what is "gated"?

Specifically, a Complex Vig can only shoot PR's. Their shot will fall if they target a vanilla player (goon is considered vanilla scum).

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:18 am

In post 609, House wrote:
In post 607, HawaiianPizza wrote:what is "gated"?
Specifically, a Complex Vig can only shoot PR's. Their shot will fail* if they target a vanilla player (goon is considered vanilla scum).

Fix't

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:22 am

In post 611, Dwlee99 wrote:STD I want you to convince me you're town so I can sheep you

What's your take on 602?

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:43 am

In post 615, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't really buy it. The mention of bulletproof would only be a signal if scum knew that the traitor was bulletproof, and normally traitor roles aren't known unless the scum team was informed of something like that. In FIA WRC the scum killed their traitor (t3 lol) because they didn't know what he had there, and I think it's safe to assume that they wouldn't know that information here either

No it wouldn't. All scum would have to know when reading cookie's post is that a traitor is in the game.

Cookie's "informed townie" claim was more helpful to scum than town if they DID NOT already know the traitor was bulletproof.

By offering up a miselim, cookie has a ready-made explanation for why he's not nk bait.

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:56 am

In post 655, fua wrote:
In post 653, T3 wrote:WHAT IS THIS BUG
Have you tried not pressing submit twenty times?

I like you. Lol

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:57 am

In post 658, HawaiianPizza wrote:
In post 651, T3 wrote:
In post 574, HawaiianPizza wrote:
In post 572, T3 wrote:
In post 571, HawaiianPizza wrote:so this game exists,
Vote fua
VOTE: fua

anyway, what do you think of
VOTE: Dwlee99

(still in the process of properly catching up and stuff)
Meant to quote this
Meant to quote this

Meant to quote this

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:01 pm

In post 667, T3 wrote:
In post 599, fua wrote:Although if you’re going to actually vote me out, you should at least let me claim before the hammer.
i-......
Wow this is scum.

Why?

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:03 pm

In post 670, T3 wrote:
In post 600, HawaiianPizza wrote:
redtea wrote:yeah get your votes off of three already
i might get on the fua wagon if we really did catch scum tripping but I'll wait for them to come back round first

pedit speak of the devil
k

VOTE: Save The Dragons

STD IS TOWN

The whole town has VD?

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:06 pm

In post 673, T3 wrote:I could totally see mafia being informed of that info, but the fact that cookie claimed it unprovoked is very strongly town indicative.

Stop ignoring the whole in favor of a part.

The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:07 pm

In post 678, T3 wrote:
In post 668, House wrote:
In post 667, T3 wrote:
In post 599, fua wrote:Although if you’re going to actually vote me out, you should at least let me claim before the hammer.
i-......
Wow this is scum.
Why?
Pointing out the EXTREMELY obvious as a means to fake content
I think.

Considering I am who I am, I disagree.

In case you forgot over the years, I've been known to lolhammer a time or 2 million.

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:10 pm

In post 683, Save The Dragons wrote:Mech talk bores me because scum and town can do it equally well so it's harder to get a read on it

In post 678, T3 wrote:Pointing out the EXTREMELY obvious as a means to fake content

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:11 pm

Couldn't help myself.

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:12 pm

In post 687, Save The Dragons wrote:T3 thinks I'm town for some reason tho so good luck with that

That was kinda the point.

Don't need luck to make a point.

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:24 pm

In post 692, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 688, House wrote:
In post 687, Save The Dragons wrote:T3 thinks I'm town for some reason tho so good luck with that
That was kinda the point.

Don't need luck to make a point.
You sure say a lot of things

Everybody needs a hobby.

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:31 pm

In post 699, fua wrote:Also, part of my scumread was justification for my vote on him due to an inherent dislike of his conduct. The other part is me being biased in liking Dwlee and not wanting to scumread him.

See, this kind of post pings town to me. I know the feels.

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:31 pm

In post 704, redtea wrote:oh god why is everyone here at the same time

Better than when absolutely nobody is here.

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:35 pm

fua, quit while you're ahead.

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:37 pm

cookie needs more votes.

I can't possibly be the only person seeing this.

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:39 pm

In post 711, Save The Dragons wrote:What am I not seeing

Traitor!cookie

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:41 pm

In post 711, Save The Dragons wrote:What am I not seeing

How you gonna say that I say a lot of things and not read the one thing I say that matters the most?

House · Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:44 pm

In post 716, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 713, House wrote:
In post 711, Save The Dragons wrote:What am I not seeing
How you gonna say that I say a lot of things and not read the one thing I say that matters the most?
I didnt say I read a lot of things

Did I steal your lunch money when we were growing up together in a small town in Wisconsin, or something?

House · Post Post #723 (isolation #131) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:51 pm

Aww, isn't this just a picture perfect moment of peace & harmony?

House · Post Post #725 (isolation #132) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:58 pm

tbc, fua looks better for that interaction, but idk how confident Three would have to be in his scum game to accept the deal.

Town is contrary. Never know, that might blow up into a scumread. He accepted, anyway.

House · Post Post #729 (isolation #133) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:26 pm

In post 728, T3 wrote:
In post 684, House wrote:
In post 683, Save The Dragons wrote:Mech talk bores me because scum and town can do it equally well so it's harder to get a read on it

In post 678, T3 wrote:Pointing out the EXTREMELY obvious as a means to fake content
Like a weirdpost
But a scum weirdpost not a town one.

It's sad that a stranger has a better grasp of me than you, T3.

House · Post Post #733 (isolation #134) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:31 pm

In post 731, T3 wrote:
In post 729, House wrote:
In post 728, T3 wrote:
In post 684, House wrote:
In post 683, Save The Dragons wrote:Mech talk bores me because scum and town can do it equally well so it's harder to get a read on it

In post 678, T3 wrote:Pointing out the EXTREMELY obvious as a means to fake content
Like a weirdpost
But a scum weirdpost not a town one.
It's sad that a stranger has a better grasp of me than you, T3.
I'm talking about fua's post.

Does scum!fua blatantly barter a ceasefire with Three?

C'mon, man. That reachout was town af.

House · Post Post #735 (isolation #135) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:47 pm

In post 734, T3 wrote:who in my poe do i vote next

I think you should OMGUS.

VOTE: Jacket

His ISO is a nothing-burger, and I don't like his push on one of our only players who are actually up in here trying to solve.

House · Post Post #742 (isolation #136) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:33 pm

In post 741, GeorgeBailey wrote:good question

Aaaaand, there's your answer.

House · Post Post #882 (isolation #137) » Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:59 am

If it's red, it's dead.

House · Post Post #886 (isolation #138) » Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:08 am

In post 885, Almost50 wrote:
In post 723, House wrote:Aww, isn't this just a picture perfect moment of peace & harmony?

Spoiler:

Fix't

House · Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:23 am

In post 933, cool cookie wrote:
In post 548, House wrote:
In post 546, redtea wrote:
In post 538, House wrote:
In post 536, redtea wrote:Wait, how would I know who to go for in that situation?
Personally, I'd say use your best judgement and pray you hit red, because a green flip will require a solid explanation.

I'm sure others will likely disagree with me and want you leashed, but I don't because:

1) I hate being told what to do with my role, so I geddit
2) Probably not the best idea to let unsuspected scum influence your shot, or let them know who to avoid targeting if the target is town
then whats the part about how if there arent 2 kills after a scum lim, that will out me as fakeclaiming?
The following Day, there should be 2 flips. One from scum and one from you.

If you're targeting the same player as scum, your reads are shite at best and you need to die.

If scum doesn't know who YOU are targeting, odds are low that they'll hit the same player.

Like, technically they can no-kill, but it's suboptimal play to leave threats against them alive.
or a kill gets blocked. in a world where redtea is a vig, there's a bulletproof traitor out there somewhere, and perhaps town has protective/blocking roles too. plenty of potential excuses for a 1-kill night, made worse if you don't leash.

more generally, you dont elim a vig because they make (subjectively) crappy kill choices. you elim them if you don't believe they are a vig.

Ketchup

House · Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:40 pm

In post 999, fua wrote:House (He should probably be checked tonight by an investigative.)

Fuck yeah I should!

House · Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:53 pm

In post 1052, Jacket wrote:
In post 1022, T3 wrote:I forgot.
VOTE: jacket
Haha.

This could be a partner post.

House · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:13 pm

In post 1129, T3 wrote:also where has dr. house gone to

Well, a few hours ago I was in here saying you have partner equity with Jacket.

Interesting that you don't respond to that and instead simply ask where I went.

House · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:22 pm

In post 1138, redtea wrote:I pretty heavy tr jacket rn but I'd like to hear about that

I scumread Jacket.

In post 1052, Jacket wrote:
In post 1022, T3 wrote:I forgot.
VOTE: jacket
Haha.

This post reads to me like a bussed player that's not particularly happy with his buddy, sarcastically laughing at the vote.

House · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:23 pm

Which is weird, because I didn't like his push on T3 in the first place, lol

House · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:24 pm

And instead of T3 asking me about the apparent contradiction, he just swings by and asks where I am?

House · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:25 pm

Something is off, here.

House · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:38 pm

In post 1143, redtea wrote:you think scum glosses over it instead of addressing it, especially when it's you saying it?

T3 ain't skurred of me, lol.

House · Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:40 pm

In post 1145, redtea wrote:i mean scum will ignore me all day but idk about you

pedit in that case, wouldn't you think he'd face it head-on directly to the forehead?

Imagining what *might* be done is WIFOM.

I address* what IS.

House · Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:09 pm

In post 1150, redtea wrote:Everyone please consider voting with me. Tbh the current candidates, according to the last vc, kind of suck ass

How much experience do you have playing with Jacket?

House · Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:05 pm

In post 1153, Jacket wrote:made it seem like you had a super strong townread you never actually verbalized

Not particularly. I just liked his posts.

T3 is a player that I remember from earlier days. I'm just getting my feet wet again, so I'm in no hurry to jump at shadows against familiar faces.

Why didn't you mention those points you just brought up in your response to his vote. It would have looked better than your current response.

House · Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:06 pm

Hm.

Join date of this year...

I could have sworn he had been around longer...

Idgi.

House · Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:19 pm

In post 1160, redtea wrote:I don't think that really warrants much of a response @House.

I didn't give him much of one, either. But I did give him one.

House · Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:53 pm

In post 1186, Jacket wrote:Maybe I am tunneled on Three.

VOTE: T3

Interesting.

I like the lack of self-consciousness about the change of trajectory. Scum tend to worry more about looking like they have an "acceptable" flow to their logic.

UNVOTE:

It's past my bedtime. I'll see where things stand tomorrow evening after work.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:31 pm

Get off T3. He's nk bait.

Protective should be on him.

If there's no nk, he's town and scum was stopped.

If there's a different nk, his alignment may be in doubt, but hopefully we'll gain results.

No cc should happen, if any exists, until d2.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:35 pm

In post 1279, Jacket wrote:
In post 1273, House wrote:Get off T3. He's nk bait.

Protective should be on him.

If there's no nk, he's town and scum was stopped.

If there's a different nk, his alignment may be in doubt, but hopefully we'll gain results.

No cc should happen, if any exists, until d2.
Sure. Who do you want to vote today?

I just got off work. I'm tired.

I'll figure that out tomorrow.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:36 pm

Fuck.

How long?

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:37 pm

Over 14 hours.

I'm getting some rest and a bite to eat.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:52 pm

In post 1285, Jacket wrote:For the record I think T3's role makes sense for scum. Especially if the neighbors are supposed to be valuable for town. But leaving him alive for a night is fine.

The only way T3's claim is +scum is if there are Masons.

(Not calling for Masons to out, just disputing a post)

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:53 pm

In post 1292, Jacket wrote:Point being is it's better to stay on odds. What does a no lim accomplish here?

No lim would be a waste of a Day.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:54 pm

Who is advocating for no lim?

That's fucking bonkers.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:10 pm

In post 1295, Jacket wrote:redtea is. Doesn't make sense to me. I get that they feel like we're going in the wrong directions. But you have to take a shot somewhere.

Even if we flip town (and it's likely we will), we still have information to analyze.

Knowing the eliminated player is town, we look to the who's and the why's off the votes on them.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:10 pm

In post 1296, House wrote:
In post 1295, Jacket wrote:redtea is. Doesn't make sense to me. I get that they feel like we're going in the wrong directions. But you have to take a shot somewhere.
Even if we flip town (and it's likely we will), we still have information to analyze.

Knowing the eliminated player is town, we look to the who's and the why's of* the votes on them.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:11 pm

No lim deprives town of that analysis.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:35 pm

In post 1299, redtea wrote:i don't think wagon votes would be all that informative atp, unless someone started sr'ing someone else hard

alright ill flashwagon dwlee or fua no one else
VOTE: fua

Why those two?

Or are cases in your ISO?

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:21 pm

In post 1302, Three wrote:UNVOTE:

I understand the town case for T3, or at least why he shouldn't be today's vote. I think his reads are weird and the lack of explanations for them are weirder, but fine.

T3 is adamant about STD being town.

A50 is a town read and is vouching for Zen.

Cookie and redtea are off the table today as well.

I have a truce with Fua and I think Dwlee is town.

This leaves George, Pizza, House, Jacket, and myself. I originally had House as town but I feel like he's faded ever since I claimed we were TvT.

What are we doing here?

I work pretty fucking hard Tues-Thurs, so yeah my activity take a dip.

Fri-Mon, I lost like a maniac.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:22 pm

In post 1304, House wrote:
In post 1302, Three wrote:UNVOTE:

I understand the town case for T3, or at least why he shouldn't be today's vote. I think his reads are weird and the lack of explanations for them are weirder, but fine.

T3 is adamant about STD being town.

A50 is a town read and is vouching for Zen.

Cookie and redtea are off the table today as well.

I have a truce with Fua and I think Dwlee is town.

This leaves George, Pizza, House, Jacket, and myself. I originally had House as town but I feel like he's faded ever since I claimed we were TvT.

What are we doing here?
I work pretty fucking hard Tues-Thurs, so yeah my activity take a dip.

Fri-Mon, I post* like a maniac.

EBWOP

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:23 pm

In post 1301, Dwlee99 wrote:House did you decide who you'd want to vote here? We have very little time left atp

Hoping I'll get an answer from redtea.

I'm still fuzzing out here, and will likely wind up sheeping a townread due to time.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:32 pm

In post 1308, Three wrote:
In post 1303, Save The Dragons wrote:VOTE: george
I guess we're back to this.

VOTE: George

Is there a case on him?

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:44 pm

In post 1313, Three wrote:
In post 1309, House wrote:
In post 1308, Three wrote:
In post 1303, Save The Dragons wrote:VOTE: george
I guess we're back to this.

VOTE: George
Is there a case on him?
Too many vouches and town reads for everyone else + his ISO isn't particularly good. There isn't much content and his reads list had exactly one scum read, and it was Zen. I can understand having a hard time scum reading people since no one's come off as overtly scummy, but it could also be that he's afraid to accuse anyone.

PoE?

On d1?

Normally, it'd raise an eyebrow. But I'm too tired to expand the energy.

Seriously though, I guess it kinda makes sense. Town has been finding town.

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:49 pm

In post 1316, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: George
Choo choo I guess

We might be making a mistake prioritizing the mech over just reads here by not limming t3 but I don't see a reason George and t3 can't both be scum

Claimed investigative is never a d1 lim outside of a direct cc, and it is optimal to cc on d2 after having a chance to at least get results first.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:13 pm

Georgie would be an excellent investigative target.

I don't know why he bothers signing up if he isn't even going to play.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:15 pm

In post 1318, redtea wrote:
In post 1310, Dwlee99 wrote:We really gonna end up in a mass claim at this point
no dont

In post 1300, House wrote:
In post 1299, redtea wrote:i don't think wagon votes would be all that informative atp, unless someone started sr'ing someone else hard

alright ill flashwagon dwlee or fua no one else
VOTE: fua
Why those two?

Or are cases in your ISO?
i dont really have a "case" for dwlee tbh, but i kinda do for fua
nyway they were in my d1 poe along with t3, who is no longer in it

ill speed meta george ig

VOTE: fua

Who else is in your PoE?

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:17 pm

In post 1337, redtea wrote:maybe there's better options actually
dwlee would be good

I'm good with that, too.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:35 pm

In post 1339, redtea wrote:ooooo oh shit

like i said it was just t3/dwlee/fua, now it's dwlee/fua, because that's all who i can get much of a read on without more info. Me and t3 mentioned this earlier but while dwlee's replace-in play resembles his scumplay and therefore maybe can't be relied on, I'm still paranoid. Which makes THAT a good slot to check out, actually.

Fua I've gone into before.

Fair point on dwlee. I always have trouble reading him, anyway.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:17 pm

Fuck.

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

I have too many townreads. I'm going to have to reevaluate overnight.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:23 pm

In post 1350, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Snagged

Scummy pagetop, mod.

House · Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:01 pm

Nonvoter & vanity wagon voters need to consolidate.

House · Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:22 am

In post 1376, HawaiianPizza wrote:uhhhh

posting after hammer is allowed?

Until the mod locks the thread, it is.

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:33 am

The only reason I can see to kill fua is it scum was afraid of their reads.

In post 1194, fua wrote:We have 24 hours until the deadline.

I think Zenman’s reaction to the suspicion placed upon him is really shady on top of trying to pin the blame on an easy target like George (who is a mostly passive and easy ‘lim’ anyways). I feel like if he flips scum then that’ll be telling regarding the alignments of multiple people— specifically George, Three, and Cookie.

VOTE: Zenman

In post 1174, fua wrote:How am I averse to mentioning T3 when I’m white knighting for him every time someone scumreads him?

In post 1249, fua wrote:
In post 1246, Save The Dragons wrote:I'm a 2-shot even night braindead organ donor jetsetting angry creditor with 3 wishes
Your organs are
mine
. Hand them over.

Anyway, intent to put T3 to E-1 if he doesn’t fully claim.

Of these 2, I think T3 is slightly more sus since fua why from hard defending to bring willing to put him at E-1.

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:35 am

In post 1394, House wrote:The only reason I can see to kill fua is if* scum was afraid of their reads.

In post 1194, fua wrote:We have 24 hours until the deadline.

I think Zenman’s reaction to the suspicion placed upon him is really shady on top of trying to pin the blame on an easy target like George (who is a mostly passive and easy ‘lim’ anyways). I feel like if he flips scum then that’ll be telling regarding the alignments of multiple people— specifically George, Three, and Cookie.

VOTE: Zenman

In post 1174, fua wrote:How am I averse to mentioning T3 when I’m white knighting for him every time someone scumreads him?

In post 1249, fua wrote:
In post 1246, Save The Dragons wrote:I'm a 2-shot even night braindead organ donor jetsetting angry creditor with 3 wishes
Your organs are
mine
. Hand them over.

Anyway, intent to put T3 to E-1 if he doesn’t fully claim.
Of these 2, I think T3 is slightly more sus since fua why from hard defending to being* willing to put him at E-1.

Blah. EBWOP

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:35 am

In post 1395, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1394, House wrote:The only reason I can see to kill fua is it scum was afraid of their reads.
This ignores the NK bait they did

That's because this isn't the newbie queue.

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:43 am

I think it's a silly assumption that anyone would.

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:41 am

In post 1400, Dwlee99 wrote:Incorrect

At least you're willing to wait you're wrong.

Kudos for that.

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:41 am

In post 1404, House wrote:
In post 1400, Dwlee99 wrote:Incorrect
At least you're willing to admit* you're wrong.

Kudos for that.

EBWOP

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:30 am

In post 1407, Jacket wrote:I think it's notable that we had multiple claimed roles and an unclaimed VT died.

Precisely why I think it was a kill due to reads.

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:10 am

In post 1411, T3 wrote:
In post 1406, Jacket wrote:So, T3...result?
I will
not
out my result today.

Yes, you

will

.

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:11 am

In post 1411, T3 wrote:
In post 1406, Jacket wrote:So, T3...result?
I will
not
out my result today.

VOTE: T3

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:19 am

In post 1422, T3 wrote:
In post 1418, Save The Dragons wrote:t3 why don't you want to out the result
I have a very good reason which cookie also knows.

How does cookie know?

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:25 am

How can they confirm what you're saying is true if... you're not saying... anything?

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:57 am

In post 1427, T3 wrote:cookie knows I'm town and knows my result.
I won't elaborate further.

That's cool and all, but... how can cookie "know" you're town?

If you're softing that they have information from the mod, firm it up, because a "read" is not "knowledge".

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:01 am

UNVOTE:

While we wait for cookie to say what you won't, since I won't be around a lot for a bit.

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:25 pm

In post 1448, redtea wrote:uh well I did but I didn't really keep who I was targeting a secret

You might want to remind us, as there appears to be confusion.

I was thinking you'd be shooting Three.

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:01 pm

In post 1463, Jacket wrote:
In post 1460, redtea wrote:i did shoot three
i think we were saying itd be a good idea if t3 targeted dwlee

so anyway, yeah either three is 1-shot bp, the traitor, or vanilla. if i shoot him again tonight that narrows it down to the last two, which would prevent him from going back on his vt claim.

this role kinda sucks ngl
FWIW, I'm okay with your idea of having the remaining unclaimed people claim at this point. Might narrow things down.

On d2?

*raises eyebrow*

Not the best timing, but whatever.

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:06 pm

It's not my favorite play, but not a hill I'm willing to die on.

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:11 pm

In post 1468, redtea wrote:ive gone back and forth on it since then
but with t3 being weird... idk, if he intends to reveal his results after n2, then maybe we could wait. If not, I'd prefer we all claim, since I think it'd be more helpful than keeping a hypothetical protective role around.

I have a theory about that, but I'll sit on it for now.

House · Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:15 pm

In post 1471, redtea wrote:
In post 1469, House wrote:
In post 1468, redtea wrote:ive gone back and forth on it since then
but with t3 being weird... idk, if he intends to reveal his results after n2, then maybe we could wait. If not, I'd prefer we all claim, since I think it'd be more helpful than keeping a hypothetical protective role around.
I have a theory about that, but I'll sit on it for now.
do you think itd be worth holding off claiming?

I think it's worth holding my theory until afterwards if it's going to happen so as not to influence anything.

House · Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:06 am

In post 1484, Almost50 wrote:The problem with this theory is that Cookie has to be Scum with you to support your claim.

Or, cookie could be duped town that shares a hood with scum!T3.

House · Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:03 am

VOTE: T3

I'm down with this.

House · Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:14 am

In post 1497, TheZenMan wrote:Isn't a cookie lim more informative to town? T3 being scum implicates cookie, so limming him would give us more info. If he is scum we can assume T3 is scum too. If he really is informed townie we could revisit some stuff and also potentially saving an investigative PR role. Plus, apparently T3 will only give us the info if we kill cookie, so there is also that.

If cookie is a mailman that sent T3 info on how to crumb to him, that doesn't make cookie scum...

No ACTUAL investigative refuses to give results unless you kill someone not related TO those results first.

I'm always voting T3 over cookie, here.