Open 829: Nightless Exploder Pandemonium II - Endgame

[charlemagne]

VOTE: pooky

i don't trust a supposedly magical bear, especially if it has a pirate cap, bandana, and eyepatch.

[charlemagne]

VOTE: Enchant

Explosion: Datisi

Weak evidence for iv!town (I think they make this opening in more worlds where they're town than scum) although I don't really have meta on them.

VOTE: Charlemagne
Who are you?

An alt of a player who's been on hiatus for a while. I think my playstyle will be pretty drastically different than before, so I'm playing with this alt to get something of a fresh start. I doubt I'll reveal my main until I play some number of games on this account.
May I ask you the same question?

What the hell, did you really

Oh we don't get to blow up d1, you got me

I was going to vote you for this, but I thought about it a bit more and I think it's slightly more likely for scum to read the setup more carefully to avoid making mistakes like this. 17/20 miniprogression doesn't seem particularly calculated. This is definitely a "file away for later" opening.

VOTE: Charlemagne
Who are you?

Wait - you aren’t datisi

Is datsi not a datisi alt?

[charlemagne]

VOTE: Enchant

Explosion: Datisi

Weak evidence for iv!town (I think they make this opening in more worlds where they're town than scum) although I don't really have meta on them.

VOTE: Charlemagne
Who are you?

An alt of a player who's been on hiatus for a while. I think my playstyle will be pretty drastically different than before, so I'm playing with this alt to get something of a fresh start. I doubt I'll reveal my main until I play some number of games on this account.
May I ask you the same question?

What the hell, did you really

Oh we don't get to blow up d1, you got me

I was going to vote you for this, but I thought about it a bit more and I think it's slightly more likely for scum to read the setup more carefully to avoid making mistakes like this. 17/20 miniprogression doesn't seem particularly calculated. This is definitely a "file away for later" opening.

VOTE: Charlemagne
Who are you?

Wait - you aren’t datisi

Is datsi not a datisi alt?

[charlemagne]

Sorry for that doublepost, not sure how that happened. Mod, you can go ahead and delete/edit 27

[charlemagne]

L-2 I believe, be careful here.

[charlemagne]

VOTE: Charlemagne
Who are you?

Wait - you aren’t datisi

Is datsi not a datisi alt?

it would be cheating for Datisi to be in a game with his alt

as you can see, i'm a genius who clearly reads through the playerlist.

didnt even say hi

Hi!

You're not gonna blow me up this game are you?

hi
are you worried about me blowing u up bestie..?
my original plans were to not, buuut

HAVE YOU STILL NOT EXPERIENCED THE GLORY OF TACO BELL?!?!

mmhm, i thought i mentioned im not really into fast food?

are you worried about me blowing u up bestie..?
my original plans were to not, buuut

If I don't get explodered in this game I'm gonna assume I've done something wrong.

are you worried about me blowing u up bestie..?
my original plans were to not, buuut

If I don't get explodered in this game I'm gonna assume I've done something wrong.

why wait to be exploded? why not have the fun urself : P

are you worried about me blowing u up bestie..?
my original plans were to not, buuut

If I don't get explodered in this game I'm gonna assume I've done something wrong.

And at that rate it might as well be you, you owe me one for how hard I scumread you in the shooty bang bang game

so u want me to explode u for revenge?

am i ever scum..? im the most angelic townie ever

Spoiler:

r u scum pavowski, yes or yes? be honest

Marci's posts here feel very slightly +scum indicative. Mafia are heavily incentivized to avoid getting elimmed d1, so it's scum-indicative to come off "forced" in this game. relatively weak scumlean, but it's the best we'll do in this stage of RVS, so VOTE: marci

Pooky our pagetop game is off this game. Let’s rally pls.

Explode Penguin

VOTE: Dwlee

Stop trying to give reasons for to limming, we're here to 'splode.

Bingle says all the right thing and knows I’m going to explode there first.

A Bingle after my own heart.

This interaction doesn't give me any cause to believe that it's SvS or bussing, although I freely admit that I will probably not be able to read penguin to a moderately high degree of accuracy. Bingle's entrance seems NAI—it's almost at the point where I'd say "trying too hard" but it's enough in the reasonable gray area that I'm not prepared to update any amount towards bingle!scum.

[charlemagne]

E-2*

Don’t you wanna esplode?

Oh, do we not allow L-2 like "eLim"? Sorry about that, I'll try to correct myself in the future but admit that I'll probably slip a few times.

[charlemagne]

lolhammering seems like a relatively bad idea here unless one or both of {pooky, penguin} is scum

[charlemagne]

can't say i'm not tempted

[charlemagne]

VOTE: enchant

okay this seems like a horrible decision but i don't think town has much better than random chances of limming correctly in day 1 and i also think that the mechanic gives us a lot more information on future days than otherwise so i am okay with hammering here. i'll suicide someone tomorrow if i'm wrong.

[charlemagne]

god that was a horrific idea

[charlemagne]

btw if enchant flips red im definitely blowing up charlemagne tomm

i hate to break it to you but if enchant flips red we win

[charlemagne]

i genuinely think i might have to abandon this alt if enchant flips town because i'm going to be policied in every game hereon out
i promise i'm not usually a lolhammerer i just don't think that the information advantage here is worth not getting a lim that is probably slightly +ev to be scum

[charlemagne]

Set-up is Nightless. On Day 1 ONLY, nobody can explode and an elimination must happen (so plurality elimination will be used). If a mafia-aligned player is eliminated, town wins immediately. If a town-aligned player is eliminated, the game progresses to day 2.

[charlemagne]

oh well i guess i have to root for enchant to flip town now

do you pooky
do you really

[charlemagne]

I expect to be treated as conftown when enchant flips red.

We've literally been over this. If enchant flips red, we win.

[charlemagne]

An alt of a player who's been on hiatus for a while. I think my playstyle will be pretty drastically different than before, so I'm playing with this alt to get something of a fresh start. I doubt I'll reveal my main until I play some number of games on this account.
May I ask you the same question?

That’s a fair enough answer, and a fair enough riposte as well.
I am an alt of Gamma Emerald, just with a paint job to look vaguely like Datisi, and a playstyle vaguely akin to GuyInFreezer.

gamma!!
you're one of my favs

[charlemagne]

okay let's be honest how close is this game gonna be to just pure unadulterated bad idea mafia

[charlemagne]

lets goooo!!!

either way, we win

if green flip, we get to cut to the fucking explosions which is why we signed up for this game

if red flip, we won on page. 3. when was the last time you won on page 3??? you haven't? oh ok me neither

Still not winning the award for fastest town win though iirc, pretty sure that one Confirmed Guilties micro that BTD6_Maker was in was won on page 2.

my hammer was on page 2

[charlemagne]

lets goooo!!!

either way, we win

if green flip, we get to cut to the fucking explosions which is why we signed up for this game

if red flip, we won on page. 3. when was the last time you won on page 3??? you haven't? oh ok me neither

Still not winning the award for fastest town win though iirc, pretty sure that one Confirmed Guilties micro that BTD6_Maker was in was won on page 2.

my hammer was on page 2

just kidding i think i'm officially stupid

[charlemagne]

An alt of a player who's been on hiatus for a while. I think my playstyle will be pretty drastically different than before, so I'm playing with this alt to get something of a fresh start. I doubt I'll reveal my main until I play some number of games on this account.
May I ask you the same question?

That’s a fair enough answer, and a fair enough riposte as well.
I am an alt of Gamma Emerald, just with a paint job to look vaguely like Datisi, and a playstyle vaguely akin to GuyInFreezer.

gamma!!
you're one of my favs

Also this is hella flattering and honestly the pick-me-up I sorely needed today.

HAHA well u were incredibly good to me when i was learning to play mafia and i've played with you quite a bit at this point

[charlemagne]

okay 4 people have posted datsi pooky charl bingle

presumably if any were scum with enchant they would've said gg? doesn't really look like a troll but meh

oh and im not scum with enchant btw !! so either he's town or his partners are in the other 6

im liking the odds for a townflip here

bingle at least didn't realize that scumflip meant gg

[charlemagne]

charl who r u do i know u?

not well

[charlemagne]

also if enchant flips red pooky is always town

ill take my points for game contributing associative analysis now thank you

im sorry but how is this remotely game contributing
if enchant flips red

[charlemagne]

we win

[charlemagne]

sorry i needed the pagetopper

[charlemagne]

LMAO.

Town speedrunning.
I was maf, GG.

how could you do this to us enchant

[charlemagne]

well shit

i unironically think iv is town therefore the only way to stop a t/t death here is to explode on someone else first

who wanna go

Second most scummy player should explode on most scummy player.
I'd ask everyone to hold off on exploding for as long as possible, although I have a sneaking suspicion that someone will do it anyways.

[charlemagne]

I'd ask everyone to hold off on exploding for as long as possible, although I have a sneaking suspicion that someone will do it anyways.

i am 99.98% sure that iv will explode on me as soon as he realizes that he can, so i'd like to gtfo of this game before that happens

what makes you think this

[charlemagne]

Spoiler: oh gee i wonder what made me think that

Explosion: Datisi

Datisi hasn’t posted yet and doesn’t want to be in this game caught scum!

Explode: Datisi

is it day 2 yet?

please be greenflip so i can blowup datisi before he joins the game

im sorry datisi i don't mean it

gamma im just memeing wu2 <3

this game truly was pandemonium as advertised truly i was not disappointed

ok looks like the cow is asleep and not online maybe it's a sign

yeah idk tbh surprised daddisi wasn't here at daystart

watch me be right about him thread daystart dodging being scum!indicative here

HAHAHA okay well i must say i get strong townvibes on dats literally every time he plays the game regardless of his actual alignment so me saying "datisi seems town" is a meaningless statement but i'm gonna say it anyways

[charlemagne]

lolhammering seems like a relatively bad idea here unless one or both of {pooky, penguin} is scum

by converse, pooky and penguin are slightly more likely to be town

some real quick, probably bullshit wagonomics here:

VC 1.01

PookyTheMagicalBear (0)-

Pavowski (0)-

Dwlee99 (0)-

innocentvillager (0)-

PenguinPower (0)-

Bingle (0)-

Datisi (0)-

charlemagne (1)-

datsi

Lukewarm (0)-

marcistar (0)-

datsi (0)-

Enchant (7)-

PookyTheMagicalBear

,

PenguinPower

,

Dwlee99

, innocentvillager,

Bingle

,

marcistar

, charlemagne -

ELIMINATED

Not Voting (4)-

Pavowski, Datisi, Lukewarm, Enchant

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to instantly eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-10-18 22:30:00)

- Oct 18th 22:30 GMT

pooky maybe town but doubt i can read them
gamma/datsi and penguin are probstown
dwlee seems slightly +town
iv i have no idea
bingle is the scummiest vote on this wagon. not sure what to make of marcistar because putting a town player on e-1 like that seems like a pretty safe bet for scum to do on d1.

[charlemagne]

wow that formatting got absolutely screwed from my first preview sorry

[charlemagne]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

datisi how owuld you feel if i assploded all over you rn

i kinda just wanna blow you up rn but i also feel bad like just a little and i also kinda wanna watch people blow each other up first

please don't assplode lmfao

but uh i would be pretty sad but also not that much because i am currently procrastinating some studying that i need to get done for tomorrow

when i imagine two scum interacting in thread i don't really think immediately of this; it's plausible that this is hard scum bussing but i genuinely don't think it's any more likely than the (3/11*2/10) of them both individually being scum
obviously this is most likely tvt just based on probability. i think it's

slightly

more likely to be a tvt interaction than pure chance, but that's mostly going off gut feeling. i don't think that dats or iv are very concerned with personal survival here and i'm not incredibly interested in blowing either of them up today

[charlemagne]

Explode: Pavowski

this might be the best thing that happened this game

[charlemagne]

i was about to say that my poe was {marci, bingle, pooky, pav, datisi, lukewarm}
but that just got cut down by 2
marci is probably town but i'd be moderately surprised if both marci and pav are town

[charlemagne]

Explode: Pavowski

YAAAAA lets go marci

marci LOCKTOWN btw

okay well it kind of doesn't matter whether or not marci is locktown

[charlemagne]

priors on each player being scum have updated to exactly 50%

out of those i'm pretty sure that innocentvillager is scum

[charlemagne]

PenguinPower
Bingle
charlemagne
datsi

If you're town in this list just pull the trigger on another. Me/IV/Pooky townblock to win this

this seems like an absolutely horrible post
how are you sure to any degree of confidence that iv or pooky are town

[charlemagne]

in fact iv and pooky both seem +scum to me because i think town them would have lolexploded

[charlemagne]

my priors on pooky being scum were pretty low but they've updated to just above normal, all townflips considered

[charlemagne]

half-tempted to blow up on someone right now
pedit: idk about dwlee or pooky being town, especially dw

there's no way that dw, pooky, and iv are ALL scum, right? that would be ridiculous?

[charlemagne]

bc you said at some point you have a blind spot for scum!him pretty sure so i am Skeptical

pedit: don't have much other than "idk feels town i guess lol"

Sure but pooky here is going to explode it's so obvious

dwlee not updating on pooky after confidently making this prediction and being wrong makes me believe that dwlee is not being very honest

tempted to blow up dw

[charlemagne]

im playing this optimally

going to give charlie a chance to explode first b4 i blow him up

ah i see i'm charlie

explode: dwlee99

[charlemagne]

explode: bingle

IV and charles should probably be left alive until 3p at least

well fuck

[charlemagne]

was reasonably sure on 2 out of the three, although I wouldn't have gotten penguin. Unfortunate.
nice job scum, that was a fun game!