2235: Gensokyo ~ END ~

[Gamma Emerald]

a) Sanae makes 0 sense as a Kilga partner, b) we also can’t vote out Sanae without someone else checking in

[Gamma Emerald]

Although it also looks like Cakez and Sanae have signed off >:(

[Gamma Emerald]

I THOUGHT IT WOULD TRIGGER AT END OF TWILIGHT LIKE REG’S THING DID. AND THAT WE’D HAVE THE TIME REMAINING WHRN HAMMER HAPPENED.
BLAME UNWND FOR BEING A SHITTY INCONSISTENT MOD

[Gamma Emerald]

Really wish Norwee could be on to agree to a target

[Gamma Emerald]

If y’all don’t hear from me unexpectedly, assume foul play

[Gamma Emerald]

I think we just vote out one of LLD/Reg and have norwee delay the other

[Gamma Emerald]

Ugh
Norwee, target RegRider tonight

[Gamma Emerald]

Yukari claimed doctor. YOU WILL NOT TARGET HER.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like think about it.
We have a confirmed town that is unkillable.
We have someone who literally cannot be killed.
We have a claimed doctor.
We have a claimed delayer.

If we all use our abilities we are forcing the last scum to make a decision to whether they should 1) skip killing in order to avoid confirming players 2) gamble a kill to kill un-mislimable town while risking confirming someone.
As long as mafia keep skipping kills in fear of confirming others we the town gain initiative.

I like this idea
Delayer might be more powerful than Roleblocker in this situation because there’s always going to be some baseline of certainty and we can speculate from there. I can’t really put together my exact logic atm but there’s a thought process here

[Gamma Emerald]

Well, as long as it’s not an obvtown slot/one that otherwise should be allowed to act without interference

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like in my experience leaving the guidelines too vague results in misplay
Even in an instance where actions were planned out to the exact letter I have managed to act in a way that “wasn’t up to code” and got elimmed for it
So imo any failures in clarity should be expurgated

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s nothing against you FYI

[Gamma Emerald]

I really want Norwee to target Yukari, but I'm also just questioning, does this role's ability work on NKs?

DO NOT

[Gamma Emerald]

Er maybe
I forgot that was actually discussed as a real option

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakez being killed is big weirdchamp hours
Also, Cabd you’re a lovable bastard.

[Gamma Emerald]

wwut

[Gamma Emerald]

We haven’t had N4 yet, my powers don’t allow for backwards time travel

[Gamma Emerald]

There was no ability to act N2
So, you’re saying you targeted RegRider N3? Idc what SM said, I want your side of the story.

[Gamma Emerald]

How could you have acted N2??? That was skipped

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait so there’s no contradiction...?
Who did you hide behind N3, then?

[Gamma Emerald]

WELP at least Reg is cleared.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Lady LambdaDelta
This or Sanae today imo

[Gamma Emerald]

How so?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like if LLD is town and we reach F3 (with 2 votes available) scum can just force no elim.
If LLD is scum no remaining town will try to force no elim.

Don't worry about Final 3. If I'm there, it won't be an issue. I can choose to give up my immortality and effectively vanilize myself for a vote.

So as long as my vote reads with a star each day, there's no reason to kill me. If you clear me as confirmed town, I'll keep myself unkillable until my vote is needed.

why did you wait so long to disclose this? I asked you about this D1 (although it's understandable if you didn't get it as I was writing in rhyme then)

[Gamma Emerald]

eh that's a fair point, I'm just clueless at times

[Gamma Emerald]

idk how hinting at some manner of being able to get your vote would have been telling too much, you didn't have to give details

[Gamma Emerald]

my gut says it's LLD here and I kinda wanna have a perfect game if I can

[Gamma Emerald]

my gut says it's LLD here and I kinda wanna have a perfect game if I can

Their claim that they actually can vote kinda shattered my belief in their role not being possible for scum to have.

I don't agree. I can't substantiate why yet, but I will fight tooth and nail to allow this day phase to run as long as possible until I can explain it properly.

[Gamma Emerald]

on second thought there's a logical explanation for my concern
I still think we should wait to vote anyone out until I get a chance to actually figure that out though

[Gamma Emerald]

don't worry about it too hard. Bottom line is, don't vote anyone out until I say we're all clear to.

[Gamma Emerald]

If I can't disclose what I mean by 48 hours remaining I'll stop filibustering

[Gamma Emerald]

I will hopefully be blindingly obvtown by the end of this dayphase

[Gamma Emerald]

I looked through LLD, Kilga, and Kake's posts and it really makes me wonder if LLD could've been scum setting up for Kilga as their partner to suggest that godfather exists.

I had that thought myself, I kinda binned it as Kilga running with a townie's thought process but maybe with a new perspective I'll see it differently

[Gamma Emerald]

I dislike how emphatic LLD seems to be about killing me here.

[Gamma Emerald]

I dislike how emphatic LLD seems to be about killing me here.

You're not dying today, so hush.

If your claim can prove you mechanically confirmed town, then go for it.

But no amount of "obvtowning" will put you OR ME outside the PoE. Only mech clears now, because we have so many.

My mindset will eventually demonstrate that I'm town beyond a shadow of a doubt. Hopefully it's today but there's also the possibility that it happens tomorrow.

[Gamma Emerald]

It says 7 on the vote count, but... I thought...

with Reg makes 8?

Cakez died last night, it's me, you, Reg, Yukari, norwee, sanae, and SM alive today

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what, at this point it's probably just sanae.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm having trouble grokking Niamh's mechsolve as a scum Ludwig Gambit, and some things about Niamh's posting rn ping town. Meanwhile Sanae is MIA at a critical moment, which feels maybe like trying to wait out the storm.

[Gamma Emerald]

we've had 20 hours of day phase and sanae still hasn't checked in.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
yeah I'm keeping my vote in reserve until I have a good idea of where my head is at

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t exactly know where I stand on the mech plan but I guess I can answer the questions and maybe I’ll get a better idea
I agree with SM and Reg being confirmed town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk if Ascetic makes sense as scum with what Kilga flipped. Plus if we’re worried we can make LLD remove her immortality as presumably if this Ascetic Scum theory is correct it would remove that instead.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sanae I suggest you start answering Yukari’s questions.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok let's try this way then.

I'm going to lay out a statement one by one.
Tell me if you agree or disagree. If you disagree, tell me why.

Ready?

"StrangeMatter and RegRider are both confirmed town."

There’s only this atm but more are to come

[Gamma Emerald]

He was delayed by Norwegian last night but someone died anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

Accepted Statement(s):

1. StrangeMatter and RegRider are confirmed town.

Next statement:
With 1 scum left, 2 confirmed towns who cannot be killed means town auto-win.

Yes

[Gamma Emerald]

Accepted Statement(s):

1. StrangeMatter and RegRider are confirmed town.
2. With 1 scum left, 2 confirmed towns who cannot be killed means town auto-win.

Next statement:
StrangeMatter cannot be killed while LLD is alive.

No. Luke clarified there was some quirk to his role that made him hiding behind LLD indefinitely impossible.

[Gamma Emerald]

doesn't it make more sense for Luke to hide indefinitely behind Norwegian Boy while you protect Norwegian Boy?

With this plan I think entropy might start to seep in
But I’ll let others respond before passing a solid call on it

[Gamma Emerald]

Anthem of this game rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm. New idea regarding the mech plan. In the pool of me/LLD/Sanae, we elim one, have Norwegian delay another, and SM hides behind the remaining one. That should solve the game by tomorrow at the earliest.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yukari targets Norwegian or SM’s target

[Gamma Emerald]

What was Sanae’s claim, again?

[Gamma Emerald]

motion detector would also recognized visitors. SM is basically just the half that checks if someone acts or not.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m trying to think of how the interaction of SM targeting someone targeting an ascetic would work
The first question is “does unwnd count a roleblocked action as showing up to a tracker?”
The only unwnd modded game I can immediately recall is Yggdrasil, and idk if anyone else here was in that

[Gamma Emerald]

If things work out a certain way I think we should be able to know LLD’s alignment for sure based on what SM reports back with

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakez shot also made me feel validated as I’m at like 100% read rate on him after I retuned the way I make reads

[Gamma Emerald]

Why isn’t Norwee scum here Sanae? Your last post ignores that possibility

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh yeah he’s functionally cleared by Norwee not acting N1 when Kilga was likely not the killer

[Gamma Emerald]

See these moments used to be inexplicable but within the past couple weeks I’ve come to regard them as an outward sign of my dissociation (for more info, see my GTKAS probably, I’m working on a super in-depth dive into my mental health across my life as a whole but it will probably be some time before I get it in a state where I’m ready to post it)

[Gamma Emerald]

???

[Gamma Emerald]

See these moments used to be inexplicable but within the past couple weeks I’ve come to regard them as an outward sign of my dissociation (for more info, see my GTKAS probably, I’m working on a super in-depth dive into my mental health across my life as a whole but it will probably be some time before I get it in a state where I’m ready to post it)

Ok, now i just think you’re crazy. And not actually coming up with an epic solve…

Also I am reporting you for this post. This is all kinds of not okay and shows everyone the kind of person you are.

LLD I don’t think Norwee meant it that way. It was 100% an insensitive thing to say but I think it came from ignorance vs. malice.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also like, idk why I’m expected to come up with an epic solve when the game-winning strategy is actively being developed people that are not me
Plus I already bagged KA and Kilga, so I’m already feelsgoodman about my play this game

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m right here.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m honestly more hurt that Norwee ghosted me like that than by his initial comment that started this mess. Anyway, I’m turning off for the night.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma what is your thoughts on limming in Sanae or in LLD first?

Sanae makes a bit more sense interaction-wise with flipped scum. It’s not conclusive though, and I’d like to get some specific questioning in.

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean personally ascetic in any alignment makes zero sense with a scum redirector and town hider.
It's actually super easy to prove that LLD isn't ascetic too. Just have LLD remove the immortality (which is an action) and have SM hide behind her to prove that she acted.

If SM can act again next night, that means LLD wasn't ascetic.
If SM cannot act again next night, that means LLD was ascetic (thus lying scum).

Is this certain?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also of note, Kilgamayan voted LLD in the beginning in a way that seemed a bit performative before settling on hardpushing for Sanae.
Seems like weird behaviour to have if Sanae was their scum partner.

I do remember Kilga pushing Sanae but idr how dedicated he was to it
I also think KA had some interactions with LLD but none with Kilga and Sanae

[Gamma Emerald]

pls don't say things like that, I'm pretty sure that's actually against some rule

[Gamma Emerald]

it's against the rules to publicly claim you would have conceded if you were scum iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

(expired on 2021-10-03 00:25:25)

[Gamma Emerald]

(expired on 2021-10-03 00:25:25)

So we voting? I'm just waiting for you.

I’ll vote once that timer expires if I don’t have indication that my questioning can occur by then.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yukari claimed to be on me yday but was actually on norwee

[Gamma Emerald]

My gut says it’s LLD but my brain says it’s Sanae

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like KA interactions slightly point to Sanae

[Gamma Emerald]

Kilga’s D2 play also makes me think it’s Sanae
He also asked LLD a question that’s rather weird to ask a partner I think

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I still think game ends between Sanae/Gamma.

I can see scum-Sanae literally going gung ho and take LLD out before conceding just for flex.
I can see scum-Gamma just floating around with 0 hope but just not conceding already because he thinks it’s against the rules.

Okay fuck no
I wouldn’t concede in this gamestate but I have conceded before

[Gamma Emerald]

So why do I have gamma in my scum pool?
He looked like he was demotivated when the town auto-win talk was happening. Town should be thrilled to talk about auto win possibility.

I have other things going on
Also if there’s an auto-win I’m trying to beat out I don’t just deflate, that’s how I used to play but not anymore

[Gamma Emerald]

her mech solve was basically "confirm me by using norwee on me" which makes a lot of sense if she is ascetic

And I don't think she's ascetic.

i refuse to watch lld win another game as last scum because of your mech spec

oooohhhh this is spicy, tell me more about how LLD!scum has won like this before

[Gamma Emerald]

she once claimed masons with someone, janitored them and cruised to a win

And I modded that game!
The game of legend.

ohohoho

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh if it weren’t for the mech plan I’d be voting Yukari rn
Sanae and LLD kinda just both feel like they’re town
Everyone else is basically mech cleared

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't do anything extra as scum. Too lazy.

What does this mean
Because having looked at ODM briefly I don’t buy it, even if I think you’re town here

[Gamma Emerald]

in all likelihood we just elim regrider for being blocked by norwee if we open with a no kill night which is not really harmful to scum side ev

the downside is very low

nope
Re-read this dayphase from the beginning

[Gamma Emerald]

Norwee can you unvote pls

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m getting a strange sense of deja vu

[Gamma Emerald]

(expired on 2021-10-03 00:25:25)

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what, fuck it.
VOTE: Sanae
I’d very much not like to be the elim today so I’m just gonna vote where it feels right

[Gamma Emerald]

So what I’m thinking is maybe we can track the people who don’t have a night action such as Sanae, LLD, or maybe Gamma (still think he’s town but who am I to say especially since last time).

Also yeah it doesn’t sound at all like what Sanae is.

uh what
I was town in PYP

[Gamma Emerald]

So what I’m thinking is maybe we can track the people who don’t have a night action such as Sanae, LLD, or maybe Gamma (still think he’s town but who am I to say especially since last time).

Also yeah it doesn’t sound at all like what Sanae is.

uh what
I was town in PYP

What? ...How does that prove that you are town here?

it seems like you're paranoid of me because of that newbie, but you now havea direct sample of my towngame to look at

[Gamma Emerald]

I really think out of LLD/Sanae it's more likely Sanae
And I abjectly refuse to be elimmed at this point.

[Gamma Emerald]

I s2g if you IDIOTS vote me out here after I have gone to great pains to try and help solve this game you deserve to lose, not like that’ll happen anyway but still. I pushed out BOTH the flipped scum, and tried to mobilize as hard as I fucking could in the 8-hour D3. Anyone still SRing me outside of no other options is out of their mind.

[Gamma Emerald]

You could elim either of LLD or Sanae and accomplish the same end. Anyone who legit think Sanae is townier than me here is missing the forest for the leaves.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d rather push Sanae out today anyway.

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum’s interactions with her don’t feel non-partnered (I don’t buy that Kilga was actually hard pushing Sanae based on how he never voted her D2, remaining on Cakez instead)

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk
Tbh I think I made a mistake by not interfering with that interaction at all but I figured if I let that carry on I’d get delayed and cleared :/

[Gamma Emerald]

Intent to hammer once we make sure everyone who needs it is on the same page night plan-wise

[Gamma Emerald]

What is the point of Yukari protecting LLD? LLD already has protection via her own role.

[Gamma Emerald]

And you’re not even voting rn, vote Sanae or me if you don’t want LLD to get voted out.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: LLD
Yukari is right wrt twilight, but I still feel it was right to bring it up.

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean, I preferred Sanae as the lim so I think I’m exempt from having to eat any crow.

Norwee targets Me/Sanae (his choice)
SM and Yukari target Norwee (takes care of the corner case of factional scum multitasking; Yukari should ALWAYS target wherever SM does to negate chance for a double kill)

The only alternative that exists is SM+Yukari target the OTHER of Me/Sanae that Norwee does not target.

[Gamma Emerald]

Mmmmmm
You know what, SM+Yukari 100% should be on one of me/Sanae. That way once Norwee dies Yukari has no outs.

[Gamma Emerald]

By putting SM on Reg you waste her ability to find more alignments.

[Gamma Emerald]

Here’s the scum!Yukari route to victory atp
Kill Norwee tonight, with the EXCUSE of protecting conftown Reg as why she didn’t target there.
Lim whichever of me/Sanae Norwee doesn’t target
Kill SM’s target the next night, and wins because only one townie remains alive.
I’m burning this bridge out from under you. You WILL lose.

[Gamma Emerald]

Intent to hammer once we make sure everyone who needs it is on the same page night plan-wise

You know we have twilight to talk about these kind of thing.

For someone who wanted LLD alive you sure seemed okay goading me into hammering.

[Gamma Emerald]

You could have tried to put it on Sanae or me. But instead you tepidly held your vote for a reason you never elaborated on.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like if Norwee dies tonight, it's an auto town-win.

Norwee dies N4
Lim Yukari D5
SM

SKIPS

hiding N5. (They won't be able to anyway because Reg wouldn't have made any action N4, but just in case.)
Lim the last non-clear D6 and claim the win.

Fine, I'll hold you to this.

[Gamma Emerald]

that doesn't make sense, no other kills went missing

[Gamma Emerald]

Yukari is concerned that scum will try to kill conftown so she wants to protect Reg
That makes Reg the safest place to hide

[Gamma Emerald]

7) Nobody can multitask unless specified otherwise.

@mod: what ways may it be specified otherwise?

Explicitly mentioned by role mechanic or in wording.

[Gamma Emerald]

7) Nobody can multitask unless specified otherwise.

@mod: what ways may it be specified otherwise?

Explicitly mentioned by role mechanic or in wording.

I feel like this is saying scum can have factional multitasking specified in their PT
Anyway, I don’t think there’s any world in which I am a suspect atp so I’m not inclined to no elim.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think what needs to be determined is “whose flavor makes sense as a strongman?”. Mine absolutely does not. I’m not sure about the rest but I think it would be better for Yukari to give her thoughts and then I fact-check.

[Gamma Emerald]

Uhhhh I don’t know about this, it feels like toeing the line with quoting role PMs and given what happened to mastina in Yggdrasil I’m not willing to take that gamble. No one else claim ability names for now.

[Gamma Emerald]

That looks like 2 abilities tbh, am I forgetting something?

[Gamma Emerald]

That looks like 2 abilities tbh, am I forgetting something?

No.

One is a doctor one is that vote restriction.

Ah, I wasn’t considering the vote restriction, cool
And yeah unwnd is online so he’s have locked thread or smth if a rule was broken
My ability name is history lesson

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really understand what Yukari is doing because this game should 100% be over so I think just elim -> block -> elim?

Norwee/Gamma are both 100% cleared no?

Not really.

I confirmed with the mod that strongman precedes delay.
Feel free to ask mod about the same question yourself.

Would have figured he’d opt to not give an answer but okay

[Gamma Emerald]

either Yukari is telling the truth, Gamma is a strongman and killed through Norwee/Yukari

or

Yukari is scum and making up stuff.

:<

Yukari, mind explaining how my flavor makes no sense as a strongman?

[Gamma Emerald]

fuck
I only made my picks by looking at TVTropes character pages, idk jack shit about the fandom (except that the music is banging)

[Gamma Emerald]

...

[Gamma Emerald]

I stand by only having one ability. Also, Aaron (Marisa) flipped with only one ability. So your attempt to angleshoot using ability count couldn’t take off, as its wings were clipped from the start.

[Gamma Emerald]

Thinking about the flipped scum I think rather than give them factional multitasking GiF decided to pile on extra powers to their base roles so they wouldn’t be too weak
So I think the clear on Norwee from N1 is real.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yukari, mind explaining how my flavor makes no sense as a strongman?

Actually...

Your flavor makes hella sense for strongman lol

Keine headbutt meme is one of the most staple 2hu meme that exists.

I looked this up a bit and my only words are:

oh no not again

.

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought she was only fudging the vote restriction...? Her clarification post did not really seem clear though

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I feel like Yukari’s role feels like it’s the most in line with the MO for how the scum’s roles were designed

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe
If there’s a way to make sure Norwee’s delay works as it should we probably just win

[Gamma Emerald]

I really feel like it’s smarter to figure out a player who can’t be strongman flavor-wise out of Yukari/Sanae and no elim into Norwee blocking that player

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh true
But still think we should figure out who makes less sense as strongman, and axe the remainder.
Yukari, I need this to be painfully clear. Are you saying you aren’t a doctor?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yukari is like, stupid powerful based on what I saw on the wiki. I do think the commute is real at least, that’s on-brand for flavor.

[Gamma Emerald]

How are miracles and lightning connected?

[Gamma Emerald]

And yeah Sanae doesn’t seem like a strongman

[Gamma Emerald]

Fair enough

[Gamma Emerald]

strongman would still be able to interact with norwee?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: yukari
yeah I'm pretty certain Sanae has less chance of getting around norwee if we're wrong than yukari does

[Gamma Emerald]

wait what
you haven't determined if your role actually can affect the NK????

[Gamma Emerald]

It should but i don't know if mafia actually has an ability that can subvert it. That's what i'm getting at.

what besides a strongman would be able to do that?

[Gamma Emerald]

At this point I don't think clarifying this will change anything.
I have one ability left that I can use, that also activates in twilight. I used my "create history" power, that was the night skip. My "eat history" power is a governor shot. Like the night skip, it keeps the day timer from before. My plan was to try to use it in 3p ELo, and maybe it could still be helpful, but either we win today, Sanae gets delayed and I could

maybe

use it in 3p then, or there's a death tonight and my ability wouldn't have been able to do anything useful.

[Gamma Emerald]

You should confirm with a mod first to see if that works on MeLo/ELo in the first place.

why are we in twilight if not for me to choose to use my ability?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok Gamma's role is provable and that's the second ability so if he can prove that he is confirmed to have non-killing night action.
If mod's ruling was not an error (I know I wasn't roleblocked or delayed because I know my action succeeded) that means someone did target Reg.
It couldn't have been Norwee because why would he delay Reg?
I think the answer here is just clear.

well yes but actually no
I have the two powers but they fall under the one ability name. But past flips with two ability names I believe have all had abilities that related to one another. So it doesn't make sense for one ability to be time based and the other to be based on "getting caved" (YES, I SAID IT.).

[Gamma Emerald]

It negates the existing lim, and re-opens the floor for voting.

[Gamma Emerald]

Which THIS TIME we have more than enough time to act if I use it (which I don’t think I will, but still)

[Gamma Emerald]

Well then. I think this might be pretty cut-and-dry.

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s probably one of Sanae’s abilities, but idk what it means
But the fact she’s yet to speak is concerning imo

[Gamma Emerald]

And why is the message only getting posted now???

[Gamma Emerald]

When I submitted my power it resolved as soon as I sent it
Reg’s wait makes sense somewhat
Your other ability’s timing checks out for the most part
I don’t see any real reason why that would come after the night phase it triggers?

[Gamma Emerald]

I really don’t think I buy it

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t know who you even are, that sort of statement means nothing to me
And everyone says that when they’re caught in a bad spot

[Gamma Emerald]

It is possible Norwee is scum who shot you but like, why not kill me? I feel like flavor-wise I had less ability to unexpectedly survive an attack.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have no idea what you’re saying.
What is hail?

Hail is a form of solid precipitation.[1] It is distinct from ice pellets (American English "sleet"), though the two are often confused.[2] It consists of balls or irregular lumps of ice, each of which is called a hailstone. Ice pellets generally fall in cold weather, while hail growth is greatly inhibited during cold surface temperatures.[3]

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk, ask Cirno

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I’d rather you two cross-vote first

[Gamma Emerald]

Cool, then I’m voting you. Because if you really think Sanae is lying then there should only ever be one answer to the question “who is scum?” for you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sure

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like I was a key factor in the elimination of both groupscum. Also, I feel like the mental gymnastics to think me scum through the mechanical aspect are astronomical.

[Gamma Emerald]

Posting without hammering.
My head doesn’t feel clear rn and and I want to re-read things one last time once that is resolved.
If you’re mad about having to wait,

welcome to the mothfucking club

.

[Gamma Emerald]

I am very impressed by your scumrange Norwee

You have gotten a lot better since the last time we played

I already knew Norwee had improved via looking at Open Draft Mafia.

Also, I don’t know what you can do rn but I’ll probably have questions as I read things over again, so being responsive to that would probably help a ton

[Gamma Emerald]

They never needed one because Norwee is not a delayer :/

Ooohh now I’m not so sure I need to reread. We know scum somehow managed to bypass Yukari’s protection to kill Reg. Sanae has demonstrated she has two distinct abilities that I don’t think would be grouped under the same name the way mine are. And I don’t think the hail happening now is conducive to thinking she had a way to kill Reg through protection.

[Gamma Emerald]

Norwee, why have you barely used the messaging ability? Also, what’s the flavor for it?

[Gamma Emerald]

They never needed one because Norwee is not a delayer :/

Ooohh now I’m not so sure I need to reread. We know scum somehow managed to bypass Yukari’s protection to kill Reg. Sanae has demonstrated she has two distinct abilities that I don’t think would be grouped under the same name the way mine are. And I don’t think the hail happening now is conducive to thinking she had a way to kill Reg through protection.

Explain?

I think Sanae has sufficiently proven her ability to talk with Aaron. And I think the fact the hail is triggering now means there’s no way it’s somehow tied to Reg’s death. So she has two proven abilities, neither of which should have let her kill Reg. Whoever did it had to have some means of getting it done. So that points to you as the mafia.

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re more than welcome to counter my logic if you think there’s a flaw in there.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s not helpful.

[Gamma Emerald]

I also have gone over the fact I don’t think Sanae’s flavor has much that would make sense for being a strongman, I believe
Meanwhile I just checked yours, and the whole “driving people insane” thing makes sense as being able to kill someone for sure.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can’t be here all the time jeez
Sanae’s point makes sense as yeeting the Ascetic Cop that had claimed the previous day and was somehow still alive was the right play in the PYP game I was in
But I’m not gonna just rush this. I do intend to actually analyze day play here, so hold yer damn horses.

[Gamma Emerald]

And Keine is loyal to her duties, just as I am dedicated to giving the events of this game their proper due. It’s downright cosmic.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sanae feels herself hang for what seems like an eternity, her entire weight supported by Aaron's arm on the small of her back,
She feels as light as a feather she sways in his arm, she could hang here forever and be happy - he pulls her back up into him, her head on his shouler,
Her hair flips through the air and lands all over him, she feels slightly dizzy, a sense of vertigo as she regains her senses - it is like surfacing from a long dive.
He supports her weight and sways to the slowing of the music, her legs feel weak under her as she holds him for the little time left in the dance.

He has a big grin on his face and many other people to meet,
She can't help but feel a tinge of jealousy that he has to go away.
He laughs as he shows her a magic trick,
The way his hands feel on her hair..
She hasn't felt so happy in a long time.

Thank you for the dance,
I will treasure it and hope we could meet again.
Know that I trust you deeply and believe it's impossible someone with evil intentions to touch my heart.
Know that not even death itself could keep me from finding myself in your arms again.


*curtsies*

So idk if Sanae crumbed BP, but she crumbed her Lightning ability

[Gamma Emerald]

The thing about my role claiming is that i’m usually of the opinion that town should usually not claim, even if they are VT. Because that just lowers the PoE for mafia that is hunting PR’s right? But when my role is literally negative utility and just looks scummy, i’d rather claim it immediately so all my cards are on the table and nobody can say: "oh man, Norwee’s role sure is scummy!!" later on.
Same philosophy for millers, same philosophy here.

I have a problem with this. Until convinced otherwise, you were basically never going to use your role. Why bother claiming it in that case?

[Gamma Emerald]

At a glance, I don't feel like 153 is a post that comes from someone feeling so much pressure that they panic their way into an exceedingly premature roleclaim three posts later.

I'll review that exchange more closely later when I have the time, though.

Hmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

I am also going to say that I didn’t really like the timing of Norwee’s claim, which happened right after potentially fueling LLD’s ire. That kinda read like a panic defense to me.

I agree, it almost feels like he setup his provable role section, then waited for pressure, and then claimed and slipped in the second part and was like "look townie power".

I... I am hesitant.

I don’t doubt the claim itself.
I just think there is some scum equity in the timing of the claim.

It's a bit silly though.
The theory is that in 5 minutes i decided, as scum. To take an huge decision without consulting my team at all to full claim my role because i was afraid of an very light expression of disappointment from LLD.

LOL
It honestly looks like you had to be coached into making the claim ngl, so this assertion of it being a rogue act is not great in the sense that you’re trying to suggest a worldview that doesn’t have to be the case.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm just saying what comes to mind. Your refusal to handle simple questioning with an ounce of class is not appreciated, norwee.

[Gamma Emerald]

Norwee is apparently town by claim

Apparently…?

What’s the point of this post?
You seem a little bothered by what Yukari said ngl

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m going to try to keep reading
I’m very much leaning towards just letting Norwee die though because I think interactions with scum implicate him over Sanae

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m just playing the game.
I don’t have an strong scumread but i am trying.

Bullshit
I know norwee is still radio silent but this needs calling out, he was consistently pushing me D1 then comes in with this “meh I don’t rlly suspect anyone”? What a load of crap.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sure.
I don’t scumread you btw.
But feel free to keep going.

I get why Norwee was freaking out when I wanted to reread. He is flaming obvscum looking back.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma / Kakeguri Addicts
Remember those names.

I notice Norwee shaded KA

a lot

but never actually had the guts to vote them until very late if ever.

[Gamma Emerald]

Kakeguri Addicts [7]: Gamma Emerald, Titus, RedRider, SirCakez, Lukewarm, Yukari Yakumo, NorweegianboyEE [HAMMER!]

Aside from Norwee this wagon is assured all pure.

[Gamma Emerald]

hmmm
kinda suspect Kakegurui was moreso avoiding having reads on their partners entirely, reading the ISO
I saw them take a wide range of interactions with town or probtown slots but they seemed averse to interacting with anyone in my current scumpool except norwee, which probably townspews him

My mind has definitely changed on this

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d like Sanae to say a bit more about their PR t with Aaron? They’ve given us nothing so far.
UNVOTE:

That Kilga vote was

inordinately

short-lived.
I only plan to read until the Kilga flip btw

[Gamma Emerald]

Did mafia assume they don't get wishes

If this is the case that implicates Norwee

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually scratch that cuz Kilga definitely got one

[Gamma Emerald]

Norwee what is your PoE rn?

I still want this soon

Idk, i'm not really feeling a strong read.
I do think these slots are town -> Lukewarm, SirCakes, Gamma Emerald, Regrider, LLD, Kilgamayan

Soooo... Sanae/Yukari Yakumo i guess would be my preferred votes atm.

The fact I had to pull this out of Norwee and he walked back his Kilga suspicion is just all the badness

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: skip twilight
yeah nothing I saw convinced me it wasn't norwee, GG if you were mafia Sanae

[Gamma Emerald]

That loss was basically all on Norwee at the end for getting pissed at reasonable doubt.
Also we would’ve won Day 4 if y’all idiots didn’t try to vote me out! I was basically all but voting Sanae until that happened.

[Gamma Emerald]

I definitely had fun this game. Somehow I managed to lead wagons on scum not once but twice!

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, I stand by think Yukari’s plan was terrible

[Gamma Emerald]

The one where Reg and Sanae died because Yukari couldn’t fucking read her role PM right

[Gamma Emerald]

I should never have been a suspect after I contributed to KA and Kilga getting yeeted like I did. If you wanted me to actually buy into your plan, pushing me was not the way to do it. I wanted Sanae’s head anyway, so had I gotten my way we just win without needing any night plan.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, why am I getting crap when Norwee LITERALLY BABYRAGE SELF-HAMMERED IN ELO???

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, I should NOT be catching the ration of shit that I am.

[Gamma Emerald]

I was trying to solve fairly. I don’t feel like my questions were out of line.

[Gamma Emerald]

You came into that last day phase acting very entitled to having the position of power. I’ll admit I screwed up in spots but I feel little shame.
Anyway, probably gonna stop posting at least until PTs get released

[Gamma Emerald]

The only thing I felt like was amiss was Sanae and LLD sharing functionality in both being BP
But by the time I processed that Norwee had already gone off the deep end

[Gamma Emerald]

Would you have been willing to actually talk had I governed you?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I had to deal with similar bullshit to the “you had to be coached” thing in mini 2213 so I’m just like “welcome to the club m8”. Mostly what I was communicating was that you were hyper focusing on the idea that your play was a rogue act, when there was no guarantee to any of us that you did or didn’t plan that claim out. It just felt like dishonest molding of the discussion.
As for being bothered by Yukari, that one you could have actually rationalized and I would have listened.
PEdit: I think my actions in this game have been far more okay than yours.