Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

That was responding to 1848 before you get fucking cheeky

[Gamma Emerald]

Scared in what sense (also which head is this)

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay this is the Pooky head

[Gamma Emerald]

you are saying something about a game state where the leading wagon on is 4 votes on a townie for a while and then people just randomly fight among each other and it goes nowhere then dissolves?

you said it would have more traction if we were town?

What do you mean by that?

It’s clear the people looking for an alternative were very disorganized. The best we could come up with was EMMI which I think may have been all-town (me, kyouko, wisdom)
So either the scum were already on you, or they were doing jack shit.

And what’s with this narrative of “someone is scared of town Noraa/Pooky” coming from? That feels like some madness you concocted in your head, not a real scenario.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I processed that fact eventually

[Gamma Emerald]

And what’s with this narrative of “someone is scared of town Noraa/Pooky” coming from? That feels like some madness you concocted in your head, not a real scenario.

I mean we already nailed you as scum. pretty sure you should be scared??

bitch please, noraa has never caught me, and I've barely ever rolled scum against pooky
I'm town here but if I were scum I wouldn't even be worried about y'all

[Gamma Emerald]

like i can't have a meaningful dialogue with anyone about fucking anything this game that doesn't involve them just shouting their opinions

except, ironically, skitter, who i actually desperately want to be town

-b

You can talk with me if you like

[Gamma Emerald]

It's okay, Bell.

that's bork, not bell

[Gamma Emerald]

okey

[Gamma Emerald]

Is anything on the last couple pages important at all

[Gamma Emerald]

It's quite unfortunate that two people I respect are disagreeing so heavily, but I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow.

This makes me think youre scum again
Youre better than thinking LLD will die or that you have to sheep her

Tbf she’s more likely to die than you are

[Gamma Emerald]

True
LLD posted a very definite “these are my stances for if I die” post, I don’t think the mindset S_S is displaying makes full sense in light of that

[Gamma Emerald]

pull in some of the vanity voters first imo

[Gamma Emerald]

There is literally no motion at all anywhere
Vanity voters need to FUCKING CHECK THEMSELVES!

[Gamma Emerald]

S_S, EMMI, Towelie:

please actually vote someone in your next post

[Gamma Emerald]

tumut

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyone down to go back to M&M?

[Gamma Emerald]

wisdom if you and kyouko were to consolidate on VFT they'd be at e-1
this gamestate has been stagnant for a while, let's just get a fucki9ng lim through

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't get why we want EMMI at this point.

then vote VFT

[Gamma Emerald]

because multiple PRs have outed?

[Gamma Emerald]

I got no result

[Gamma Emerald]

Curious why my meme role was blocked vs. the full cop claim was blocked but w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

I got no result

Who did you attempt to check?

M&M and Dunnstral
ALSO, M&M’s claim looks even worse post-S_S flip

[Gamma Emerald]

I got no result

Who did you attempt to check?

M&M and Dunnstral
ALSO, M&M’s claim looks even worse post-S_S flip

How sure are you Wisdom is scum? Scale of 1 to 100?

wut
Talk about a non-sequitur!

[Gamma Emerald]

But barring any other leads from S_S’s posting I’d say pretty sure
But any number would be arbitrary rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Just curious; how popular is/was Mountain Dew DEW*S*A?

It was one of the last ones I tried before I started calorie counting and i really liked it. It was like sparkling berry, reminded me a little of whiteout which I guess makes sense because it was a mixture of whiteout code red and voltage

This post had my flavor (whiteout) and Dunn’s flavor Code Red.

So I am guessing scum wanted us to talk flavor to find the PRs.

Are you still thinking kyouko can be scum here?

[Gamma Emerald]

that's not a crumb Bork.

Have anything better?

[Gamma Emerald]

The Dunn crumb does make sense

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey hey I think this will convince you for certain

Subject: Undertale Mafia (Endgame):

It's not a clear crumb. It doesn't mean it's not a starting point. But it's not like "

I could get behind SS

" or "I'll be looking into SS overnight" level clear.

VOTE: Dunn

Yeah I heard enough.

Dunn is good for today and if he flips town go Wisdom

And if Dunn flips scum for the love of all that’s good consider Kyo for that defense of Dunn

OK.

We can do different things tomorrow

I can get behind this.

It's quite unfortunate that two people I respect are disagreeing so heavily, but I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow.

Also, I think I agree with the reads here-- I can follow the town reasoning for SM, but Emmi not so much. But of course it's entirely possible LLD sees something I don't.

This could also potentially point to hiding behind Dunnstral: "I can get behind this", but the problem with this as a crumb is he goes on to say "I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow", indicating he's favoring LLD, who doesnt make sense as a target. I feel that if this post were meant as a crumb, it would have been worded more carefully so it could not be misinterpreted. There's even potential here that there's some kind of EMMI crumb toward the end if this post. This post is too unclear to be a crumb, so I'm going to assume it was not one, and "getting behind" something is not a crumb on the same level as "hiding behind" something as a Hider crumb.

This to me is a crumb.

Like this defense from Kyo is like stretching pasta noodles to the point of breaking badly.

Okay yeah I’m good to vote Dunn probably

[Gamma Emerald]

mmmmm
Now I want it.

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mod: V/LA for 2 days

This was almost a week ago.

HELLO??????

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: Large Normal 233 | Mafia PT

Going to have to look up babysitter. Hello everyone

looked at a random scum PT from kyouko, this reinforces my read that she wouldn't vote an outed IC as scum (again, idc for wifom logic)

I'm pausing here because this is alarming.

Why are you searching random threads to defend kyouko when they are under virtually no pressure? Also, what makes you think a random PT search would have shown anything useful? This doesn't even relate to the point you're making?

Kyouko’s first instinct was to look up a role she didn’t know, as such her not checking for claims or anything before diving in seems like a towntell

Also LOL I know what part of the game you just read!

[Gamma Emerald]

Should I do a strict one-by-one order or just group up people that I have similar feelings on?

[Gamma Emerald]

Jada/Strange/kyouko > M&M > Wisdom/Mush/Towelie is my order

[Gamma Emerald]

Jada claim pls

[Gamma Emerald]

Both me and Towelie want it, that should be enough

[Gamma Emerald]

If Gamma wants it.

might as well

[Gamma Emerald]

also, since you're titus, what does the VCA tell you?

[Gamma Emerald]

lolwut

[Gamma Emerald]

Venus Fly Trap, Sprite the Mafia Goon, was sent to no-caffine jail day one.
Something_Smart, Pitch Black the Town Compulsive 1-shot Weak Hider, was too grape to exist amongst you peons so shuffled off to the dead thread.
Lady Lamdadelta, Diet Dew the Town Macho Activated Innocent Child, decided to follow a new fad.
Dunnstral, Surge the Mafia 2-Shot Role Blocker, was retired as a summoner spell day two.
Critter, Whiteout the Town Indecisive Doctor, was retired outside of select 7-11 chains in the Midwest night two.

I’m pretty sure the PRs have consistently been more mainstream flavors (since I’m the basic one)
So why is a flavor exclusive to KFC and only around for a limited time (unlike Baja Blast which has been a mainstay for Taco Bell) a PR?

Btw I actually checked Jada and SM and get that they were aligned, which fits their claims of VT

[Gamma Emerald]

???

[Gamma Emerald]

We basically have two lims if we use Mush's vig as one so lets get all the info we can

Yeah I think that’s the best way to use it as well. And I also think we’re at the point where the last mafia is a PR based on all the claims and flipped town power

[Gamma Emerald]

M&M claimed sweet lightning as their flavor
kyouko claimed livewire

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I have an idea, and if so towelie is conftown

[Gamma Emerald]

I only recall LLD and Gamma fighting with you

VFT and Dunn were the first votes on M&M

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Count 2-1

Pepsi put out "soda shop style" flavors, but nothing for Dew, sadly.

Wisdom (3): Towelie, Milk & Mocha, Dunnstral


Not Voting (7): Critter, Wisdom, ssbm_Kyouko, E. M. M. I., MUSHSHAGANA, Gamma Emerald, StrangeMatter

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to eliminate a flavor.

Current Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-13 20:35:30)

E. M. M. I. is currently V/LA

Vote Count 2-2

Okay soda shop style sucked, back to Code Red for the time being.

Wisdom (2): Milk & Mocha, Dunnstral
Dunnstral (1): Wisdom
Critter (1): ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (6): Critter, E. M. M. I., MUSHSHAGANA, Gamma Emerald, StrangeMatter, Towelie

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to eliminate a flavor.

Current Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-13 20:35:30)

E. M. M. I. is currently V/LA

Vote Count 2-3

The Pepsi company went bankrupt twice before they made it big..... Thank goodness they did, as a pairing of Mountain Dew with Coke or Royal Crown just feels WRONG.

Dunnstral (4): Wisdom, Critter, Towelie, ssbm_Kyouko
Wisdom (2): Milk & Mocha, Dunnstral

Not Voting (4): E. M. M. I., MUSHSHAGANA, Gamma Emerald, StrangeMatter

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to eliminate a flavor.

Current Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-13 20:35:30)

E. M. M. I. is currently V/LA

based on these I think it is just M&M here
scum probably wanted to get at least one misyeet off before they got found out, so their hopes were riding on the wisdom target idea being bought into
if M&M isn't the last scum and we go into night phase I'd probably say kyouko should get shot just because she also tried to put suspicion on someone that wasn't dunnstral via hider guilty

[Gamma Emerald]

if M&M isn't the last scum and we go into night phase I'd probably say kyouko should get shot just because she also tried to put suspicion on someone that wasn't dunnstral via hider guilty

I did this too until evidence was presented otherwise. Pushing the wrong person, while sufficing as a motivation for being scum, i don't think is a good reasoning for being scum most of the time.

-b

I believe you're town by general play

[Gamma Emerald]

based on these I think it is just M&M here
scum probably wanted to get at least one misyeet off before they got found out, so their hopes were riding on the wisdom target idea being bought into
if M&M isn't the last scum and we go into night phase I'd probably say kyouko should get shot just because she also tried to put suspicion on someone that wasn't dunnstral via hider guilty

Disagree. If Dunn was guiltied, there's no reason to wagon one of their own.

lolwut

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, pls do VCA for D1 Titus

[Gamma Emerald]

Would scum vig even makes sense in a low complexity game? It’s non-normal for v good reason

[Gamma Emerald]

You gonna bother to clarify your role claim???

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like scum would have something to hunt TPR if they did have a second PR
Neighborizer could be a way of doing that?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m just throwing stuff out there
Who would you lim today?

[Gamma Emerald]

At the very least not a confirmed VT, which Jada is, as well as SM
So I object to vigging SM and would rather it be kyouko

[Gamma Emerald]

Kyouko claimed before you revealed who you checked, its pretty unlikely she fakeclaimed

I made everyone in the bottom 3 claim before I claimed tho

[Gamma Emerald]

And if that strat does not end it, do not treat anyone as conf in ELO, especially including Gamma/Mush

BRUH

You still gonna espouse this if Mush is conf vig?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because we had a lot of town power and just a 2shot roleblocker does not seem enough

You'll say again that a neighborizer adds nothing to that snd i already said that myself but theres no guarantee that's all you are. Maybe youre a joat like towelie said and this also explains your missing n1 action

Also neighborizer is strong in that it can pockit a townie, which I have no doubt either of you is more than capable of performing

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Milk and Mocha
I’m ready to do this now. I’ll leave the choice within the vig pool to mush if it gets that far.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: wisdom
This play is fine ig

[Gamma Emerald]

You dont fucking know me thats why its not obvious to you
I dont even care about you
But gamma should not be fucking voting me

I’m just trying to get stuff done
Your lim seems to be less contested than M&M, and there’s very little motive that can be read into resistance rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Answer me this: If Mush is town, how is this a theme game?

?

This game should be in the normal queue and not the theme queue if everyone is #trueclaiming as town.

I’m a parity vanilla cop, that ain’t normal. And some folks just mod normal setups with flavor added.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we just pick a god and pray here

[Gamma Emerald]

Get Titus’ vote and I’ll consider it

[Gamma Emerald]

This going to go down the route of Gensokyo where we did really well to unite on voting out scum the first 2 votes and then completely fall apart following that, isn’t it

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Milk and Mocha
sorry if this is wrong but the scum that endgamed in gensokyo was literally pooky on an alt
so if I'm going to avoid a repeat occurrence the first step is to cull the transgressor in the first instance

[Gamma Emerald]

I had a suspicion of you that I didn't prosecute to the fullest in that game that turned out right. As such, you being suspicious in this game means you need to die now while I can ensure it goes through.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, where am I shooting this night phase if it gets that far? I don't care who else has whatever they want to say -- I know the bears will say Wisdom, and I care about no other player but Noraa/Pooky and you right now. Where am I shooting?

Wisdom if we lim M&M, M&M if we lim wisdom

This going to go down the route of Gensokyo where we did really well to unite on voting out scum the first 2 votes and then completely fall apart following that, isn’t it

Okay but, I'm never letting you live that game down Gamma.

Also hello I am here still, gonna catch up.

you can eat it because had I had my way D3 we would've won then but everyone decided "hey let's flip onto the guy who helped organize 2 scum elims in a row and is also has a penchant for choosing literally any elim that is not his own/any of his TRs" so I voted for LLD which was the easier alternative to pull off. After that the game just snowballed.

[Gamma Emerald]

Dunnstral didn't have to use his roleblock on N1 on anyone.

Also there's no reason Gamma gets nightkilled if we're T/T here because who is gamma even going to catch?

This argument is actually recontextualizing the strength of the 2 shot roleblocker for me because of how gated the town’s power really is when you overlook me/assume I’m scum. That vs. a Night One Weak Hider, an X-Shot vig, and an Indecisive Doctor seems pretty unfair. So imo the idea that the last scum HAS TO BE PR is weakened.

[Gamma Emerald]

So if we’re talking about throwing setup spec out, where is our next step then, Gamma?

I’m not saying we aren’t wrong-headed, just wondering what the immediate consequences for this dayphase would be.

Basically Jada/SM are back in consideration for me atp
Also my role also being a scum role would just be extremely OP, wisdom.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, think about the information privilege that comes with being scum and consider how busted my role would be given that. Most if not all claims can be readily trusted, so the role is much more powerful at gathering info as scum than as town.

[Gamma Emerald]

And this is a really whiplash-inducing turnabout dude. This feels like something

I

would do, not you.

[Gamma Emerald]

With the team suggesting that Gamma CCs, I can see her making that play.

I was gonna say I'd probably be more likely to do that on my own but thinking about it what happened in FFXIV is pretty contradictory

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't expect you to read that game, I'm just saying I had to recognize I'm not as much of a loose cannon as I'd like to claim I would be as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Then there's the stuff with the townblock day 1 which I still don't like at all

oh yeah can you talk more abt this
I kinda din't like the way u expressed it

[Gamma Emerald]

If you could back your feelings about why the townblock was bad I might feel good about you being town

[Gamma Emerald]

Like sure the conclusion was right but I wanna see your work

[Gamma Emerald]

I personally feel like townblocking is kinda a necessary evil for me a lot of the time. I have a hard time forming scumreads I can rlly depend on sometimes but can form a good base of TRs at which point it’s easier to townblock and lim in the names I don’t have in it. The issue is I have a bit of a weak spot? In a past game the mod of this game actually clued me into my tendency to hard defend scum. But I would rather play my way while just keeping one eye open to that blind spot vs. forcing myself to play in a way that is harder for me.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: StrangeMatter
Good enough for me!

[Gamma Emerald]

LLD GOATed

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay no offense Gamma, but it didn't really make sense to focus on one of your two VT confirms there.

I only had confirmed vanillas, you could have been goon
and it was another case of "Gamma just settles for what will pass because doing an actually valuable lim is too hard"

[Gamma Emerald]

idc this doesn't count it was basically all pooky anyways :3 i just lurked off and disappeared hehe

same as in draft mafia :/

[Gamma Emerald]

I just felt like more people would be willing to vote you vs. M&M

also this was just about a shining example of what I have dubbed the Cabd clause because I had a strong TR on VFT and LLD had to help me see the error I had made there

[Gamma Emerald]

I am very sad because seeing your early play was honestly a delight

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Spectator/Dead)

At least two players have a perfect solve in their notes PTs, by the by!

does my targeting both remaining scum for my ability count?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not gonna ask what “thirsty town” means rn but I wanna know postgame

gonna release my PT soon (with v likely no redactions) but posting this from it now

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda thought it might be like that.

[Gamma Emerald]

ngl I thought you had been a user here for 10+ years but I just looked and saw your join date was last year
pls teach me how you manage to carry yourself with such confidence, I wish to learn

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia - Neighborhood of Flavor

3) gamma was annoying.

so what's the deal w this

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm mostly trying to improve my charisma because I feel like I'm making progress but it's slow as shit

[Gamma Emerald]

I have zero idea how I made myself easy to read though
And easy to read doesn’t really correlate to charisma because I was able to lead back-to-back scum elims in the first 2 days of Gensokyo despite having a faked PR the first day.