Micro 1034 | Meet me on the Astral Plane | Game Over!

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VOTE: andres 21st time's the charm
-Wright

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OK first things first

DONT CLAIM IF YOU HAVE A HOOD OR YOUR HOOD PARTNER UNLESS YOU ARE AT RISK OF ELIMINATION

Second of all - if you are the friendly water spirit or whatever GB has called the friendly neighbor this game - DONT PLAY LIKE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SELF CLEAR - it is a bad strategy. Play to

roleswap

- and to the townies who have hoods -

BE OPEN TO ROLESWAP.

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Third thing:

SORT IN YOUR HOOD IF YOU HAVE ONE.

Don't let it go to waste. Grill your hoodmate. You want to either be able to turn that shit into a masonry or find a scum within in. Don't let it go to waste. Don't make it obvious you have a hood either - make sure to mirror your pushes within the game too.
4th thing: THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CONVERSATION THAT YOU DONT SEE - so dont be alarmed that someone might have a read that seems TMI on 1 other person, or has seemingly jarring progression! It's just entirely possible they sorted within their hood! There are 4 hoods in this game - remember that!

dumping this for start of game c/p here

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oh i forgot to remove the last sentence from my hydra chat LOL -Wright

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holden i missed you !
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no lets cannibalize andres instead

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we got mafia d1 last time and let em go, no chance of that this time

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Nah they just have rolled town 20 times in a row on this site and we're just waiting on him to rand scum

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(For legal purposed im referring to completed games btw)

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gamblers fartacy more like

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thats t3, regardless of alignment you're not getting much and his play is hard to parse. Easier to solve around him. I'd say tje best way of finding his alignment is via TMI

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Also forewarning gamma and i have determined to take a break from mafia before this game and decided to stay in signups and play this one out so he may be inactive based on circumstances - while normally being inactive in thread is a scumtell for gamma it will be NAI here(as we are town anyway)

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thats t3, regardless of alignment you're not getting much and his play is hard to parse. Easier to solve around him. I'd say tje best way of finding his alignment is via TMI

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Why did you soft white knight them already if that's the case lmao?

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Im just warning you because t3 gets limmed in pretty much every game he is in that its not a conventional read

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lol what

Sup?

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Why not wait? Im impatient as a player. I like to speak my mind.
I'd appreciate the shade for what is just informimg you of the meta of a difficult to read player to be dropped btw. I was trying to prevent a state where the conversation starts revolving around t3 and i dont think thats useful ever esp on d1.

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andres can you check your hood please?

VOTE: IV

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IV isnt parsing the game at all

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Do not claim hoods it narrows down the FN if you are in a T/T one

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I recommend reading page 1 instead of trying to look busy

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T3 is good at having consistent tone - I've evolved a bit in terms of what tells i use as reliable nowadays.

I just would rather not go down paths that i deem to be circular and NAI.
The way you are responding felt like you were trying to bait me into miswording something and using it as a gotcha so my b if that isnt the case. I tend to be an easy target for that as a high emergy emotional player

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Mainly felt you were trying to subtly imply im scummy for shutting down a line of reasoning (that i know is NAI and can prove) but I'll let you go ahead since its d1 and i already have a push i want and having multiple is useful to gauge player response

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OK first things first

DONT CLAIM IF YOU HAVE A HOOD OR YOUR HOOD PARTNER UNLESS YOU ARE AT RISK OF ELIMINATION

Second of all - if you are the friendly water spirit or whatever GB has called the friendly neighbor this game - DONT PLAY LIKE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SELF CLEAR - it is a bad strategy. Play to

roleswap

- and to the townies who have hoods -

BE OPEN TO ROLESWAP.

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Third thing:

SORT IN YOUR HOOD IF YOU HAVE ONE.

Don't let it go to waste. Grill your hoodmate. You want to either be able to turn that shit into a masonry or find a scum within in. Don't let it go to waste. Don't make it obvious you have a hood either - make sure to mirror your pushes within the game too.
4th thing: THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CONVERSATION THAT YOU DONT SEE - so dont be alarmed that someone might have a read that seems TMI on 1 other person, or has seemingly jarring progression! It's just entirely possible they sorted within their hood! There are 4 hoods in this game - remember that!

dumping this for start of game c/p here

this is a terrible idea to play hood games btw. This is a micro, not a large, the game thread needs to know what is going on in the hoods or it becomes impossible to form a town cohesion. Given the margin of error due to micros, we don't have as many days to waste.

Seems like town you would know that. Scum like to keep things in the hoods because it is easier to control the narrative and the perspective of one person, as opposed to an town.

Look up the last time I played this setup and i follow this exact strategy and lo and behold we won.
Guess my alignment there.

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Why not wait? Im impatient as a player. I like to speak my mind.
I'd appreciate the shade for what is just informimg you of the meta of a difficult to read player to be dropped btw. I was trying to prevent a state where the conversation starts revolving around t3 and i dont think thats useful ever esp on d1.

So what you are trying to do is steer the game. Right?

Yes I am - that is my MO as town pretty much always especially in setups I know and playerlists I feel comfortable with.

Can you explain why you think outting the FN is acceptable on d1? Thats what you want according to your push here.
I never suggested.that hoods never out but that people actually push their hoodmate if they think something is up.
You're not reading my whole post amd just looking at small specific points.
Again - i can happily link you to me treating this setup the same last year *as town*
And nobody here has played with me that time so i could have pretended that game doesnt exist and push hoods to claim.

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For the record I'm leanimg town on the mollie entrance.

I do think they're just ego defending IV to be contrarian because they didnt like my mech push /leading

I'm reaching out to you mollie - have a conversation first, and please dont claim a hood at this point in the game if you have one.

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Also the scum mollie i played against was very under the radar and this is the exact opposite for an entrance.

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Wait....

We've played haven't we T3

I *THINK* you tried as scum and got KABOOM by da meta.

Hmmmm

Research!

Pedit: that makes no sense lawyer person.

It makes sense to me - is all you gotta know.
Im basically adding a reasonable thought process for a townie there -> showing viability in them being town for others to see through my analysis.
Also im high too

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Btw here's proof of me beint against hood claiming as town, and it being scum trying to suggest claiming. Thus why I was immediately on top of IV claiming his after i warned not to.

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I think IV leans scum and you lean town.
Everyone else is null, including t3 who is the only other one to give significant content

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Brain says you speaking a lot townie
But also your depth in your posts and clear care in parsing what people say is +town

I also prefer to bin people bringing wim to the table in a positive way in the town pile :p

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Hey pals, it's me- FACEBONES
I wish I was high, but alas I have to go to work and deal with people shortly, eugh.
In any case, I figured it'd be rude if I didn't drop in and say hello while I'm on my break

So uh, yeah, hello and stuff. Hope everyone's having a good day/night

My high ass has to say like that my vibes say that this entrance is towny

Idk why it just be *vibing* fam

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Ah yes lets single out the FN good job

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When you decide you want to stop gamethrowing you can get a response to that garbage

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Go to bad player jail

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Your read on me is predicated on you thinking im pushing anti town mechs.
Its a terrible way to sort someone.

You have refused to answer anything more in depth about IV and seem.to have no opinion about anyone else except to compare it to me

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I'm not going to sit here trying to debunk all your bad points but will continue pushing you towards looking more in depth at others

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You're conf biasing anything I say as scummy and you dont to think about a possible thought process for what ive said

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So please answer about IV + what your reads are on T3 and Holden.

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I really wouldn’t mind being Scum like once. I don’t even remember the feeling anymore.

performative

Its still well within andres townrange, as per Large nornal 236

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Why is andres scummy, IV?

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I really would like to be happy for once, I miss that feeling.

-Justice (Gamma)

Content soon probably.

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Don't change the subject -

Now why out the hood then?

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okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

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Also forewarning gamma and i have determined to take a break from mafia before this game and decided to stay in signups and play this one out so he may be inactive based on circumstances - while normally being inactive in thread is a scumtell for gamma it will be NAI here(as we are town anyway)

I told Koba off in the hydra chat but I can now actually straight up state lurkscum!Gamma is not a thing at all because of Slaughter Hour
The only time lurking is AI for me is if it's as a response to game stimuli, which is hard for some to parse, and I also can end up lurking because I just feel bad for not being active which causes a spiral so game stimuli-related lurking can still end up NAI

-Justice

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OK first things first

DONT CLAIM IF YOU HAVE A HOOD OR YOUR HOOD PARTNER UNLESS YOU ARE AT RISK OF ELIMINATION

Second of all - if you are the friendly water spirit or whatever GB has called the friendly neighbor this game - DONT PLAY LIKE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SELF CLEAR - it is a bad strategy. Play to

roleswap

- and to the townies who have hoods -

BE OPEN TO ROLESWAP.

.
Third thing:

SORT IN YOUR HOOD IF YOU HAVE ONE.

Don't let it go to waste. Grill your hoodmate. You want to either be able to turn that shit into a masonry or find a scum within in. Don't let it go to waste. Don't make it obvious you have a hood either - make sure to mirror your pushes within the game too.
4th thing: THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CONVERSATION THAT YOU DONT SEE - so dont be alarmed that someone might have a read that seems TMI on 1 other person, or has seemingly jarring progression! It's just entirely possible they sorted within their hood! There are 4 hoods in this game - remember that!

dumping this for start of game c/p here

this is a terrible idea to play hood games btw. This is a micro, not a large, the game thread needs to know what is going on in the hoods or it becomes impossible to form a town cohesion. Given the margin of error due to micros, we don't have as many days to waste.

Seems like town you would know that. Scum like to keep things in the hoods because it is easier to control the narrative and the perspective of one person, as opposed to an town.

okay, you seem to assume that town paired with scum would be easy prey to manipulation. I at least have learned to keep my guard up.

-Justice

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Also the scum mollie i played against was very under the radar and this is the exact opposite for an entrance.

I recently played with town!pm and she definitely felt different even factoring in the circumstances

-Justice

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Your read on me is predicated on you thinking im pushing anti town mechs.
Its a terrible way to sort someone.

You have refused to answer anything more in depth about IV and seem.to have no opinion about anyone else except to compare it to me

1. I never said I was pushing you for anti-town mechs, I was pushing you because several things that seemed internally inconsistent to town!you that I had experienced, admittedly limitedly, did not add up. And your posts in our hood are pretty scummy.

2. I liked IV's reaction. I think I even said that. It is called a gut read, which you seemed super hyped about with Tm3, but suddenly have an aversion to it.

It would be nice to hear from other players in the game.

1) citation needed.
2) why did you like it? What about the rest of their play? I have stated t3 is null so saying i was hyped is a lie.

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Don't change the subject -

Now why out the hood then?

Math + pace of game + scummy posts in hood + shade throwing + general tonal read from your combined hydra posts is that you feel cornered.

Waiting for everyone to check in.

Maybe I am having a ridiculous expectation of your townplay, but it seems to me right about now town!you would be worried about town!eliminations at this point, but instead you keep trying to drag things behind the scenes in order to keep things quiet.

And speaking of dodging...what was your role in the game where this game had the same set up?

I asked this, but maybe you missed it...

Please cite where you are getting this idea of town me - you make claims but dont back them up .. even when asked.

And you can actually read the game.i linked and find out yourself.

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Mollie you seem mostly concerned about my posts where i am oushing people and putting pressure on them - seems to be a oattern overall. Do you not want me to sort people?

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Like im starting to feel strongly you are trying hard to discredit me - and with IV solidly in their scum meta right now - the agenda is fairly reasonable to see

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And your posts in our hood are pretty scummy.

Can you please elaborate more on this?

Tldr, we are talking a lot and asking a lot of questions.
After some thought it doesnt feel like mollie wants to honestly engage with us and i took a look at a past town game and rhey are perfectly able to be cooperative and reasonable.

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I can paraphrase the whole hood but its already 4 pages, 3 of which are me

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okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

ookay thanks so I will assume any non signed post is koba then. And unrelatedly I’m aware activity isn’t really that AI for you

So whats scummy from me then?
Where did you get the idea that activity isn't AI for me - we havent played together - but ive spectated 1 game where you were scum and replaced into 1 after youve already flipped scum.
So whats up?

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There seems to be a concerted effort to dodge and deflect from mollie and IV and while that's usually too easy to be the solution I'm taking the occams razor approach of that mollie is trying to defend a teammate.

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Mollie in the hood has seemed to be trying hard to find things that can be framed as scummy rather than trying to sort us - as if they want to start from a conclusion we are scum and work backwards from there. It doesn't feel genuine - and there is a way it is town in that they are playing with their ego and such - but my attempts at good faith engagement have been shot down constantly.

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Since its already claimed I'm happy to answer anything before i do paraphrase it. Mollie seems to not want to talk to me at all within it anymore.
I think for a scum mollie they couldnt take the pressure of needing to towntell in both and just lashed out to make an excuse to a)do the anti town thing of claiming the hood and b) be able to shade me for lots of words.

All in all though i know IV is likely flipping scum and i dont kind just policying mollie after Since it seems like they would basically toss the game in late game if they are town.

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For the record mollie has refused to ellaborate kn reads on slots other than myself after being prompted several times.

The IV read feels like bullshit - also objectively it is an exact reaction that has happened from him within a scumgame on d1.

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For me PoE looks something like
[IV - Mollie ] for people acitvirely scummy to me and [t3 - alice - flea] for the rest who are poe by not having towntold yet

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My only hesitancy on the mollie scumread and why i havent voted them at all is because of how this game was different but circumstances are also different so i am still finding viability - if IV were to flip town i would consider mollie essentially clear atp.

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Oh nevermind its only 2 pages but its felt like 4
I think my brain messed up thread pages with hood

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Anyways.
What do you think of IV? They outted your hood btw

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I dont think I'm discrediting them enough considering the shit tskes they've spewed at me in our hood

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Literally their whole argument at me is about semantics and I'm not interested in going in circles around them.
I have my conclusions set for now and wamt to force them to interact elsewhere.
I will ghost thread for 2 days if the subject doesnt change to force yall to if i have to

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I think they are scummy for reasons outside of how they are reading me and it is precisely because of the way they are parsing my slot i think they have viability to be town - now

How about IV?

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Btw here's proof of me beint against hood claiming as town, and it being scum trying to suggest claiming. Thus why I was immediately on top of IV claiming his after i warned not to.

I hope no one sees this and immediately assumes you’re Town for pushing the same strategy you did when you were proven to be Town. It’s too easy.

And IV is not technically doing what you’re claiming they’re doing. It’s one thing to encourage other players to Claim. It’s another to jokingly slip that you’re in a hood.

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If you read what i said at first when voting IV my read clearly had nothing to do with the action itself.
You aight?

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Oh nevermind its only 2 pages but its felt like 4
I think my brain messed up thread pages with hood

Maybe you misunderstood with a scum thread (;

No.

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remember they were high as fuck when he wrote it

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You shouldn't need to catch up via the question they asked.
Its a question about our hood which youve ignored since claiming our hood in an anti town way.

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"Can you ellaborate on what posts in the hood were scummy?"
Mollie: " i need to catch up in the thread before i answer "(stalling tactic)
VOTE: mollie

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You're trying to avoid any and all questions about your thought process or being less than vague trying to bury me via brute force of baiting me to engage via defensiveness and shut me down. It wont work on me.

Answer their questions.

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Maybe I am having a ridiculous expectation of your townplay, but it seems to me right about now

town!you would be worried about town!eliminations at this point

Worried about town!eliminations at this point?
This point is still VERY early on D1.
They should be trying to class people as either town or mafia

How can they be worried about town!elims if they don't know who's town?

They would be worried about town!lims if they were town and I was scumhunting them, especially when they know they fucked up in our hood. I will be getting to that.

Oh PLEASE tell us where you think we "realized we fucked up".
I'm *very* curious since i have view into the hood and i dont see any of what you are claiming.

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There seems to be a concerted effort to dodge and deflect from mollie and IV and while that's usually too easy to be the solution I'm taking the occams razor approach of that mollie is trying to defend a teammate.

please explain where i dodged and deflected wtf??

Well with andres cc that you arent hood partners with them - that puts a wrench in it.

You kept avoiding talking about why you did what you did when andres was not your scumread but now its more complicated than that.

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posts in order:
*pregame*
My main egos the thread
Gamma egos the thread
I post a blank post to.test sig being enabled (it was pregame)
I ask mollie to explain what they think of the playerlist and how they plan their approach to them as a way to get solving started .
Mollies first post is a joke about policying gamma(a refernce to a recent game apparently)
Then they quote our question to them and ask which head was taking to them->then ask us how we're doing while describing something about their day and make a comment about how thie game is a useful distraction

I'll do more later but thats when i started having pings on mollie

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okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

ookay thanks so I will assume any non signed post is koba then. And unrelatedly I’m aware activity isn’t really that AI for you

So whats scummy from me then?
Where did you get the idea that activity isn't AI for me - we havent played together - but ive spectated 1 game where you were scum and replaced into 1 after youve already flipped scum.
So whats up?

i was talking to gamma in that post and ive played with both scum and town gamma - he was lurky and active as both alignments at various times. that's all im saying

im voting your slot rn bc i can tbh and i don't really have any read on you rn despite how much you've posted already. your insistence on me playing to my scum meta is rly weird too and having a confident read on me at this stage is bizarre especially when it's wrong

Ok lets approach this differently - why do you think you're *not* playing to scum.meta?

Early confidence is very normal for me btw - right or wrong.

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Well claiming hoods in this setup is very anti town so thats why i was very much on top of it as i had said.not to do it on page 1

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If you're outting a hood with someone- it implies you are scumreading that person to me because of the risk of doing so should you be wrong

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Dont pretend to care about FN fishing when you casually claimed hood and wanted to push "hoods need to be open because scum hiding!" Line.

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Your accusation is disgenuous as it relies on blatant lies. Because nowhere have i even remotely tried to out anyone's hood status.

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No the fuck i didnt.
I assumed it was a true claim becuase im autistic and took it at face value
Fuck you if you think i thought it was a joke becsuse it was *not* clearly a joke to me

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I was considering your hood real.and my fucking push on you askkng why you outted it wjth a null read on andees should be proof that was my thought process not whatever garbage about "fishing hood status".

Would you not fucking think its scummy for a neighbor to claim with anything above a scumread? Because i do.

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sure i will play along with the don't claim hoods thing i don't see a good reason not to

Ok lets approach this differently - why do you think you're *not* playing to scum.meta?

i don't really think im readable yet ive had some shitposts and argued about some things i think are just not true, both of which are things i do as both alignments

and it's helpful to know early confidence is a thing for you

question for u how does scum!you approach this day different from what you're doing here? i get the sense that you're a powerwolf type player that wants to control everything early but i haven't played with u so idrk.

My d1s as town and scum overlap a lot and no one will ever consistently find me as either on d1.
I'd probably hide my precious game and just shoot the shit in my hood and pocket via friendliness and enable their paranoias on townies as thats how you get someone to trust you in hood games - not the approach i took.

While i did say its hard to catch me d1 that they overlap - its precisely that i put the wool over the eyes that make it hard to see in the moment and then am at risk of collapsing in late game when asked to explain my thought processes

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Hide my previous game*

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"Can you ellaborate on what posts in the hood were scummy?"
Mollie: " i need to catch up in the thread before i answer "(stalling tactic)
VOTE: mollie

There seems to be a concerted effort to dodge and deflect from mollie and IV and while that's usually too easy to be the solution I'm taking the occams razor approach of that mollie is trying to defend a teammate.

please explain where i dodged and deflected wtf??

Well with andres cc that you arent hood partners with them - that puts a wrench in it.

You kept avoiding talking about why you did what you did when andres was not your scumread but now its more complicated than that.

Btw ^ mollie maybe read the game you're playing

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Yes thats typically how I approach the game early on.
If IVs early game is similar as both alignments and ive only seen them as scum - what do you think im likely to read it as?

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But my point is youre trying to dishonestly manipulate what im saying as something completely different

I am not even pushing IV now and you are trying to claim im scummy for not showing proof against IV - who I am not pushing at that point.

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You're also throwing anything at me to see what sticks too - according to you I should scumread you for it, shouldn't I?
Why is it towny when you do it?
And dont try to deny you arent because we all have the recepts

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VOTE: pirate mollie
you're twisting the facts of what happened in that large theme and trying to paint me as scum for it. I lurked in that game in part because I was massively disengaged. Yes, I wasn't entirely comfortable there, but you are excluding a detail that I think is rather important to make your push go more smoothly. Nuh uh.

-Justice

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Except to Gamma.

VOTE: pirate mollie
you're twisting the facts of what happened in that large theme and trying to paint me as scum for it. I lurked in that game in part because I was massively disengaged. Yes, I wasn't entirely comfortable there, but you are excluding a detail that I think is rather important to make your push go more smoothly. Nuh uh.

-Justice

So when you and Dkoba were comparing notes, did you tell him that I tend to get into TvT's? That would make sense with what is in our hood. We have never gotten into a TvT, ever. You know why? Because you are a good egg. Why? because you are

decent person

. You don't posture, you don't bully people, you don't stomp around and belittle people and try to make them feel bad about themselves. Not in any game ever, when we played together.

The only reason I am pushing you is because I firmly believe you two to be scum, both independently and combined. You know Dkoba's reactions are bad. He is coming from a position of trying to control the narrative vs finding scum. The push on IV was ridiculous.

Oh I know their reactions are bad. I've told them such. Doesn't make them scum.
I think had you been more patient you would probably have a different read development on us if you're town. Koba's reading IV's Andres comment as serious is understandable as they pick up on things that shouldn't be prodded and decide to prod them anyway. My suggestion to Koba would have been to basically ignore IV's comment except as a small note. It didn't read as 100% claiming a hood to me.

-Justice

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Except to Gamma.

VOTE: pirate mollie
you're twisting the facts of what happened in that large theme and trying to paint me as scum for it. I lurked in that game in part because I was massively disengaged. Yes, I wasn't entirely comfortable there, but you are excluding a detail that I think is rather important to make your push go more smoothly. Nuh uh.

-Justice

So when you and Dkoba were comparing notes, did you tell him that I tend to get into TvT's? That would make sense with what is in our hood. We have never gotten into a TvT, ever. You know why? Because you are a good egg. Why? because you are

decent person

. You don't posture, you don't bully people, you don't stomp around and belittle people and try to make them feel bad about themselves. Not in any game ever, when we played together.

The only reason I am pushing you is because I firmly believe you two to be scum, both independently and combined. You know Dkoba's reactions are bad. He is coming from a position of trying to control the narrative vs finding scum. The push on IV was ridiculous.

Oh I know their reactions are bad. I've told them such. Doesn't make them scum.
I think had you been more patient you would probably have a different read development on us if you're town. Koba's reading IV's Andres comment as serious is understandable as they pick up on things that shouldn't be prodded and decide to prod them anyway. My suggestion to Koba would have been to basically ignore IV's comment except as a small note. It didn't read as 100% claiming a hood to me.

-Justice

If you agree with me that dkoba's reactions and responses are bad, in the hood and the thread,

then why are you voting me

You are treating me like town here. I know you know that I am town, so your vote looks OMGUSSY.

I just said why I'm voting you: you're twisting the events of my last scumgame against you to fit your narrative. That doesn't preclude me from trying to reason with you on the points you're bringing against koba. I would like if you engaged the bit I'm calling out as false.

-Justice

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Mollie thats literally what youre trying to do to us, do you not underfunded that youre a massive hypocrite?

Why is it townie when mollie does it but when koba does it its scummy?(even though half your accusations are false)

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You wont engage with us becsuse im smart enough as a player to dissect bad arguments and that kills your push against me if you acknowledge my points

Your summary of the hood is dishonestly framed - as you *yourself* avoided answering the question and never evem asked us back and just assumee we were scummy for not sharing back. This is deranged as hell for a towny. You dont interact with people like that. If you're town here - then fuckint stop ruining the game thread with this projection because its jot helpful
Yes i think theres a chance youre a townie just tossing the game over your own ego. Just own up to it if you are because its not fucking healthy for a solvestate.

If im scum here - how are you gonna find my partner? Js. You haven't even looked to solve outside of me

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I never asked if you knew people from the playerlist bfw - thats an outright lie. I asked what your planned approach was to people you did know.

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Reading comprehension goes a long way

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Paraphrase what post 5, the question you think is a scumclaim, says.
Your whole case is predicated on an incorrect interpretation of a question i posed to you and you refuse to humble yourself.

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(In the hood)

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You're moving goalposts now. Nice try.

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This game isnt the mollie show - so stop acting like it. You're ruining the gamestate and as is im fine policying you on the basis you keeo pushing lies despite having them proven wrong directly and quickly goalpost adjusting in response to some etc.

You're constantly putting my slot on the defensive and try to avoid talking about anyone else but me except to defend IV from us. Why did IV get special treatment? Oh wait you also shaded T3 townreading us.

This is not the play of a townie solving - this is the play of a townie tunneling, or a scum trying to powerwolf against a strong player.

I came into the hood strong and swinging and you interpreted that somehow as scum because either a)youre a townie whos playstyle clashes with how i play or b) you are scum who panicked seeing me in your hood being very proactive.


Give reads on others - in rhe same depth you’re putting forth on me - or die.

I wont budge my vote on you until you sort in more depth outside of me.

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There is *no* good faith attempted in mollie and i know their town games show they are capable of it 100%

Which leads me to lean towards the feeling they are scum


Mollie, early in the game, instantly refuses to consider a world i am town and came into the game with the idea in their head that we are scum, (as in as a premeditated conclusion)

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@other players please ignore mollie except to ask questions on their progression - they are a distraction and we should be looking at other parts of the game.

VOTE: alice

My vote is in spirit on mollie but id like to apply pressure elsewhere - alice what are your thoughts on the game thus far?

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The benefit of voting elsewhere right now is that a scum mollie is trapped voting me atm. So if they hammer a town wagon i helped start it is an effective scum claim.

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VOTE: Wright and Justice huehue

VOTE: iv
Your posts on page 4 didn’t sit quite right with me on a vibes level. Your progression on WJ also doesn’t seem good. You’re saying that you’re not an easy read, because koba said that you a dimly in your scum meta. Then, after koba makes no posts you just vote koba.
What changed?

I think we should ignore IV/andres rn. At least for d1. It will be more clear later if they are town.

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Oh am I that player? No. I'm not. Trying to impose another player's meta on someone is a scum tactic btw

What is your expectation of town me to say? your push is a good show? You're hilarious. Nice try.

What lies? Your premise is entirely on a small interaction in the hood and my views on mech - you misread a post i made towards you then said accused me of not sharing my side (which i think you dont really care about). Your paranoia is overblown to me.

Also youve yet to make any solid reads outside my slot- why do you keep avoiding doing so?

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There is *no* good faith attempted in mollie and i know their town games show they are capable of it 100%

Which leads me to lean towards the feeling they are scum


Mollie, early in the game, instantly refuses to consider a world i am town and came into the game with the idea in their head that we are scum, (as in as a premeditated conclusion)

More cog-dis.

Am I scum or confbiased town? I can't be both.

Wheres the cogdis+conclusion you came up with?

You're desperate.

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How are you reading holden here, mollie?

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I think they're solidly town based on how their thought process presents itself looking at other people, despite being a bit odd. And with this i think they are actually trying to solve the game, notably with how they were interacting with my slot, about myself and people like t3.

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Mollie i have to conclude you are scum afraid to tread on toes and spew other people if you refuse to make reads elsewhere btw.
Im trying to push content out of you and you refuse to talk about more than just me and talk in circles about it.

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Why do you have no read on Holden?

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Also thank you for giving thoughts on others but its still a lack of depth that is a stark contrast to how you treat our slot+ no scumreads outside us.
What would a ranked list of reads look like for you?
Also regarding alice - they made a joke about my mixup with the page count and you are interpreting that as a scumread - nice agenda pushing much huh?
Stop putting words into people's mouth

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You cared to get clarification from IV on their read on me.but not from alice. Why is this?
Because it looks agenda based when you see that you interpreted alice as scumreading me - and IV had decided to be more charitable towards me.


Also updated read is i dont see IV/mollie partnered here

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I'd like the inactives in flea/alice to engage the game more btw

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Why do you have no read on Holden?

This is for mollie btw i forgot to clarify

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Koba not going to lie - if mollie flips Town here, I would agitate hard to get you executed.

What is your read on mollie now, andres btw? I want you to commit becsuse i am getting uneasy feelings of you egging things on here.

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I dont feel pressured by someone using blatant lies to push me but rather annoyed but nice to know ur finally gonna stfu about us and actually play the game

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Just got home from my boyfriends house.
I'm gonna be relaxing because my social energy is drained, saw alice elitelling so im gonna keep my vote here.
-wright

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I outted an FN read and they interpreted me as only fishing for FN(in the same post I outted a couple reads on Alice + Flea)

It's a misrepresentation and I won't elaborate one it because its blatantly antitown to share my PR reads when they are actually good.

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Mollie's reasoning all boil down to my playstyle and i almost thought they might have a glimmer of good play in them but clearly its not there.

I don't read the game and think "ok im only reading the game to scumhunt here"

I am making several conclusions at once from what I'm reading and its not my fault mollie isnt good enough to do that and I am and is projecting their lack of skill at me.

im tired of it and its frankly annoying as fuck.

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Also from this point forward I won't be replying to mollie in thread in an effort to not shit up the thread, if they want to talk like an adult, they can do so in our PT rather than act out like a child when I play in a way they dont like.

I've made more effort to sort the game as a whole then they have and they can sit the fuck down if they think they're helping the gamestate for town.

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Anyways ->

ATP I want hard pressure on Alice because based on POE from people who have spoken having towntold to some capacity, Alice is caught floundering in PoE and also avoiding playing in this game.


If IV is scum they will help spew their team atp and i'm willing to let them live as they have lots of trouble with endurance - but their more recent postings have shown a higher thought process than I remember reading from their scumgames and thus I doubt that will be necessary.

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Flea entrance had poor logic basis but it's town thought process for flea - > flea if you're reading this, don't trap yourself into thinking mollie vs I has to be TvS. That's not how it works. People make shit conclusions often as town. This is likely one of them.

Holden is town for similar reasoning in terms of a deeper thought process being shown + actual solviness.

Facebones is above the line in terms of towniness for me, the entrance reminds me of when we played together and they were town.

mollie is just loltown who thinks they are good at mafia and are trying to push a read on a player who is being a leader. fun fact: this doesnt help ever and you are just going to be cited as a major reason town lost if we do lose.

Andres/IV I will revisit later

Gamma says they think T3 is towny, I dont think i can read T3 so I will just let them have that here. they still are near the bottom for me, above facebones though.

that leaves Alice as the odd one out here -> I think from all angles they are scum here. Well. Not all angles. But from the theories I have currently about the game this is how I feel.


Also if you think mollie has good points against me, think about your read accuracy in games yourself especially towards me in the past and then slowly deposit your agreement into the trash.

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...

I'm getting drunk on fireball to kill my anxiety

Then I'm staging one of those relationship talk show mixed with my southern sailor mouth for you two because I it's 2 days~ in.

Pedit: do you have something besides Meta to think IV is town Wright? I ask because IV seems to have a good grasp on their meta, so I don't really consider it worthwhile to prove or disprove their alignment. Explain why the though process in this environment alone is towny.

Really like they are known to not be good at being scum and the results of their scumgame show this.

I won't elaborate on IV right now much I just lean town on them atm.

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I outted an FN read and they interpreted me as only fishing for FN(in the same post I outted a couple reads on Alice + Flea)

It's a misrepresentation and I won't elaborate one it because its blatantly antitown to share my PR reads when they are actually good.

So....

this is the second time that Dkoba is answering a question aimed at me with the intent of discrediting me, before I had a chance to respond.

This is what I mean by trying to control the narrative in lieu of scumhunting.

Silence hypocrite.

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Ok I'm here sorry was just murdering mollie in my hood with facts logic and meta.

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flea, are you not the main of cool cookie?

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if you are I have finally found a way to consistently read you because before cool cookie it was a crapshoot

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Oh shit we have 2 people who use fae/faer then on site then haha

rip my meta read then because cool cookie is super easy to read

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Flea entrance had poor logic basis but it's town thought process for flea - > flea if you're reading this, don't trap yourself into thinking mollie vs I has to be TvS. That's not how it works. People make shit conclusions often as town. This is likely one of them.

I'm aware, I'm watching for a reason. If I get caught in this, then I get caught in my usual pit of treating a biased read as gospel.

I know you're firey, and it's that I'm watching at the moment. I haven't played with you as scum to memory so at this point it's down to hopeful pattern recognition.

My recent scumgames have been super passive and trying to be under the radar for the most part.

Honestly I keep going back and forth on mollie in my head like thinking are they town hardtunneled on me with shit logic or just scum hardfocusing me so they can get me mislimmed while avoiding spewing anyone else. (because I have tried to get them to talk about literally any other slot and its been with limited success) but its more of an 80%-20% town-scum in my head atm.

I think scum are mostly hiding in inactives is my vibe atm and I'm just waiting till it gets obvious those people are just dodging game by wearing them out via endurance for the most part as its hard to case POE rather than case who has talked xD

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btw a koba who has more than double the posts of the next highest poster is always town, i have never doubled my post count against townies when scum - I have been the top poster yes, but it was always neck and neck with other townies.

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I outted an FN read and they interpreted me as only fishing for FN(in the same post I outted a couple reads on Alice + Flea)

It's a misrepresentation and I won't elaborate one it because its blatantly antitown to share my PR reads when they are actually good.

So....

this is the second time that Dkoba is answering a question aimed at me with the intent of discrediting me, before I had a chance to respond.

This is what I mean by trying to control the narrative in lieu of scumhunting.

Silence hypocrite.

Ok I'm here sorry was just murdering mollie in my hood with facts logic and meta.

You are funny when you are scum.

Really? What scumgames are we talking about? Can you cite the ones you read?

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They thought i was scum off of a misinterpretation. I am currently tipsy but after work tomororow I'll paraphrase the hood up till mollie decided to lolclaim it.

the remaining stuff I'm not willing to share at this time but it is mostly me berating mollie for having a bad read on me lol

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posts in order:
*pregame*
My main egos the thread
Gamma egos the thread
I post a blank post to.test sig being enabled (it was pregame)
I ask mollie to explain what they think of the playerlist and how they plan their approach to them as a way to get solving started .
Mollies first post is a joke about policying gamma(a refernce to a recent game apparently)
Then they quote our question to them and ask which head was taking to them->then ask us how we're doing while describing something about their day and make a comment about how the game is a useful distraction

I'll do more later but thats when i started having pings on mollie

here's a paraphrasing of the first few posts of the hood - like till post 8?

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flea, are you not the main of cool cookie?

I don't have an active alt currently. Healths been too crappy for me to play

oh so Mama Ru isn't you either O_O

-Justice

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I outted an FN read and they interpreted me as only fishing for FN(in the same post I outted a couple reads on Alice + Flea)

It's a misrepresentation and I won't elaborate one it because its blatantly antitown to share my PR reads when they are actually good.

So....

this is the second time that Dkoba is answering a question aimed at me with the intent of discrediting me, before I had a chance to respond.

This is what I mean by trying to control the narrative in lieu of scumhunting.

I mean, is Koba's description wrong? Koba outed who they thought might be FN, and didn't push the discussion past that point. And from personal experience, koba is notable as being able to pick up on certain PR tells

-Justice

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most of mollie's fos stems from misreading my question and misinterpreting it, thinking I was scummy for pushing them for avoiding the question when prompted to answer it properly, and then it just devolved from there.

mollie has kept a lot of their thought process to themselves and have only a strong read in the direction of defending IV from what I assume is a preflip of my slot being scum and thus thinking because I was pushing IV that makes IV town.


also of note:


IV started the game claiming they are in a hood with Andres(why I pushed IV at first btw), IV claims they dont scumread IV, I push harder because of it. Andres says essentially "no comment" on the hood and refuses to elaborate on the claim from IV, and I drop the push.


mollie lolclaims our hood and its basically been a revolving conversation around us.


if you want to perhaps find a nice early townread I think ISOing Holden is a good start. Also let me know what you think of Facebones' entrance, as I believe we were in the mini normal where we were all 3 town.

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most of mollie's fos stems from misreading my question and misinterpreting it, thinking I was scummy for pushing them for avoiding the question when prompted to answer it properly, and then it just devolved from there.

mollie has kept a lot of their thought process to themselves and have only a strong read in the direction of defending IV from what I assume is a preflip of my slot being scum and thus thinking because I was pushing IV that makes IV town.


also of note:


IV started the game claiming they are in a hood with Andres(why I pushed IV at first btw), IV claims they dont scumread IV, I push harder because of it. Andres says essentially "no comment" on the hood and refuses to elaborate on the claim from IV, and I drop the push.


mollie lolclaims our hood and its basically been a revolving conversation around us.


if you want to perhaps find a nice early townread I think ISOing Holden is a good start. Also let me know what you think of Facebones' entrance, as I believe we were in the mini normal where we were all 3 town.

for Flea btw ^

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btw a koba who has more than double the posts of the next highest poster is always town, i have never doubled my post count against townies when scum - I have been the top poster yes, but it was always neck and neck with other townies.

I don't volume clear people, you know that. Self meta always intrigues me though

pedit: Nope, I have 1 alt, MHTP, and 3 hydra accounts with Mom and Noraa

honestly I would probably be the dominant head currently if we were scum, which you probably know already
thinking about it my strong part as scum is my early game and my strong part as town is my late game, which is a tricky mix

-Justice

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atp i think i'm going to ignore the mollie wj conflict because i think they are t/t

I think it's a personality/playstyle clash paired with the fact that they are in a hood.

How is the first part TvT indicative though? What about the clash screams town vs town instead of one of them being scum and catching the other off guard?

in 161 i explained why i was voting koba which is essentially what they were asking. i found those things weird but not necessarily scummy and i wanted to make that clear in 162. i wasn't really voting for the sake of applying pressure

i can understand you disliking my wishiwashiness, but that's just me as a player as both alignments.

im not very confident on a lot of things especially early on which is in stark contrast to a player like koba.

ive played with gamma but not really with koba.

It's more that you are being wishy-washy AND setting up ways to get out of stuff. That's why it rubs me wrong.

Could you elaborate about your feelings about T3?

I may have used the wrong phrasing. Idon't necessarily think they are both town, just that the points made in the conflict are not AI.

hey mollie is this my scumpartner?
T3 has a good grasp of what is AI for me and has several more games with me, with us both as town, as TvS both ways, and as us both being scum, so we have seen all perspectives from eachother.

So sup?

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mollie you keep trying to circle back to talking about our slot - why wont you talk about anyone else?

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And if YOU can't read me, Gamma sure as fuck can and knows I am town.

Where did Gamma go btw

firstly, piss off with the implied shade in the second quoted line. Second, if you're town you're doing a hell of a job of displaying that when you've spread misinformation about me extremely thick

-Justice

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Koba let me level with ya cause four shots of whiskey makes me want to KASLAM everyone.

I admire your bash stance but it's hard to follow and take you seriously when you constantly rattling off about how someone is discrediting you and ahit. It bloats your posts and adds more fuel to the flame for any would be scum read if your town. I ~think~ me and you even had something similar to you and mollie in brass harald but I can't fucking remember.
I just remember us fighting for a good while Over the tonal beats and stuff though my weak ass bitch ass is a sucker for good town atmosphere and I think I gave up.

Humble up my friend. You don't need harshness to be the leader.

At least can we both agree and actually stick with the no shit talking in the thread cause? If one of ya makes a bad red on another, let someone KASLAMM them and get us more info.

Anyways town atmosphere. We need that fucking shit. We can keep entertaining the shitshw, but we are sorely lacking in content outside of it. It's why for example Wright is prodding in the afks.

Anyfuckingways: I'm wifoming between the two being TvT or TvS due to how the thread was lax during that time. If it's TvS, the partner should of been pushing pressing off but no one did? So either it's TvS with second partner afk or it's TvT since scum is fine with the shit show.

Idk. I want to smoke

(This isn't meant to be mean or condensansing. I'm just noticing I feel irrated already and that's a bad sign)

bless you holden i love you

im also like 4 shots in but im not a lightweight hahaha

alright deal I will stop interacting with mollie - I'm already only responding to mollie within my PT for the most part.

Let's get mollie to actually talk about other slots eh?

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so mollie - you think Im confirmed scum? Who do you think are viable partners for me?

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Can you cite this from completed games T3?

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Which one, W&J or Holden?

Or both?

lmaooooooooooo
pretty sure flea meant iv but it's funny you try to step in and steer the target off of him

-Justice

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Lawyers vs Pirate

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nevermind i got bored and read

you're right which is weird because reasons but I will continue to pressure the slot because of aforementioned PoE read.

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^ -Justice for the gif

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nevermind i got bored and read

you're right which is weird because reasons but I will continue to pressure the slot because of aforementioned PoE read.

@t3 re:alice

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mollie why are you so allergic to posts asking you to look at people outside of us?

You have ignored the prompt *several* times.

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okay mollie I'm past the point of letting you figure it out on your own, Koba's pronouns are they/them, it's in our signature
thanks flea for also trying to help

-Justice

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You wont engage with us becsuse im smart enough as a player to dissect bad arguments and that kills your push against me if you acknowledge my points

Your summary of the hood is dishonestly framed - as you *yourself* avoided answering the question and never evem asked us back and just assumee we were scummy for not sharing back. This is deranged as hell for a towny. You dont interact with people like that. If you're town here - then fuckint stop ruining the game thread with this projection because its jot helpful
Yes i think theres a chance youre a townie just tossing the game over your own ego. Just own up to it if you are because its not fucking healthy for a solvestate.

If im scum here - how are you gonna find my partner? Js. You haven't even looked to solve outside of me

This game isnt the mollie show - so stop acting like it. You're ruining the gamestate and as is im fine policying you on the basis you keeo pushing lies despite having them proven wrong directly and quickly goalpost adjusting in response to some etc.

You're constantly putting my slot on the defensive and try to avoid talking about anyone else but me except to defend IV from us. Why did IV get special treatment? Oh wait you also shaded T3 townreading us.

This is not the play of a townie solving - this is the play of a townie tunneling, or a scum trying to powerwolf against a strong player.

I came into the hood strong and swinging and you interpreted that somehow as scum because either a)youre a townie whos playstyle clashes with how i play or b) you are scum who panicked seeing me in your hood being very proactive.


Give reads on others - in rhe same depth you’re putting forth on me - or die.

I wont budge my vote on you until you sort in more depth outside of me.

Oh am I that player? No. I'm not. Trying to impose another player's meta on someone is a scum tactic btw

What is your expectation of town me to say? your push is a good show? You're hilarious. Nice try.

What lies? Your premise is entirely on a small interaction in the hood and my views on mech - you misread a post i made towards you then said accused me of not sharing my side (which i think you dont really care about). Your paranoia is overblown to me.

Also youve yet to make any solid reads outside my slot- why do you keep avoiding doing so?

Also thank you for giving thoughts on others but its still a lack of depth that is a stark contrast to how you treat our slot+ no scumreads outside us.
What would a ranked list of reads look like for you?
Also regarding alice - they made a joke about my mixup with the page count and you are interpreting that as a scumread - nice agenda pushing much huh?
Stop putting words into people's mouth

mollie why are you so allergic to posts asking you to look at people outside of us?

You have ignored the prompt *several* times.

just ctrl-f'd "outside" to see how many times we have mentioned mollie to get them to talk about slots that aren't ours - its building up!
and if you go to these posts, mollie has not responded a single time


We also have asked mollie at least twice in hood to sort outside of us.

so what gives mollie why are you dodging trying to make any solid reads?

You outted your mid reads list - I now remember that - but you had not even another scumread there and it was super weak reasoning compared to what you were pushing at us. Quite a disproportionate difference - are you not reading the game or ?

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I outted an FN read and they interpreted me as only fishing for FN(in the same post I outted a couple reads on Alice + Flea)

It's a misrepresentation and I won't elaborate one it because its blatantly antitown to share my PR reads when they are actually good.

So....

this is the second time that Dkoba is answering a question aimed at me with the intent of discrediting me, before I had a chance to respond.

This is what I mean by trying to control the narrative in lieu of scumhunting.

I mean, is Koba's description wrong? Koba outed who they thought might be FN, and didn't push the discussion past that point. And from personal experience, koba is notable as being able to pick up on certain PR tells

-Justice

Yes. He left out the part about IV being easy to crack. He went after IV then backed off and he is in the hood saying that he thinks the FN is between is between IV/Andres. His only scumread is Alice, who has only posted twice, once to FOS you guys. :/

His priorities are clear; he is power role hunter over scumhunting. I mean in his head, his townreads should be IV/Andres/Flea/Me but that is the POV he is navigating from. He is just trying to cross off FN candidates.

VOTE: Mollie

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Mollie: *has literally only scumread my slot*

also mollie: lol ur so scummy for having alice as your only scumread!!


really makes you think

nice discog mollie

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Votecount 1.3

Wright and Justice(2)

~ innocentvillager(39), piratemollie(

46

)

innocentvillager(2)

~ T3(22), HoldenGolden(31)

AliceK(1)

~ Wright and Justice(

124

)


Not Voting (4): Facebones(7), AliceK(2), Flea The Magician(8), Andresvmb(7)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-12-05 18:49:25)

mollie why are you so allergic to posts asking you to look at people outside of us?

You have ignored the prompt *several* times.

Because I am one person not 2, and you have nearly triple the posts of anywhere else, here and in our hood.

I am struggling to keep up.

It is only within the past few hours that other people have been posting.

You could, you know, stop posting and actually give other people the chance to interact, instead of spamming the thread.

you're caught scum

you have so many lies you've caught yourself up in.

its over

it's you and IV - I didn't want to push IV in *case* they are the FN and since you outted it lets go ahead actually

VOTE: IV

see what you think.

e-2 motherfucker.

you 2 are a viable team here.

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I push IV early -> mollie's push on me begins


i really fucking wonder if IV flips scum who the most likely suspect is here?

also I now have seen the hedgy posts from IV that others have pointed out.


fun fact: you should have let IV go down, IV dies d1 as scum *often*

so hf

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There's issues with the flea read but mean.

Also im a lightweight but hold my liquor and weed quite well despite being 5ft 8 and only 135 lbs.

Twink non binary for the win

Pedit: hedge posts like the one I pointed out?

yeah those ones
I was trying to like not push there because of my read it could have been a sloppy FN roleswap.


scum IV hard implies scum mollie everytime.

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Also I'm pushing in this direction because mollie has to give more in depth posts about IV rather than try to case me harder because everyone has heard the case on me from them thus far -> but ! -> despite that there are 2 other people voting IV instead.


So mollie, if you want to get people to unvote IV you should explain why IV is town

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Eariler you were agreeing with IV that their meta covered stuff like that unless I'm not remembering. Is it mainly the connection that drives you to render them scummy or are you np longer thinking that's within the relem of town IV?

Pedit: I agree with the association.

Yeah their later posts being super wishywashy is what I expect from scum IV.

I have a recent game where I was replaced in on limlo where I did read IV's posts to find associatives: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87680

[Wright and Justice]

Didn't find enough time to catch up, but from few first pages I think Wright and Justice is scum.
1) discussing mechanics and providing optimal strategy is a cheap way to get towncred, you don't need to do reads and probably people wouldn't reveal their hoods anyway. T3 got baited for that.
2) self-meta thing is something scummy as wellg
, I definitely can see Kobba trying to replicate the same style as scum.
If it worked as town why wouldn't it work as scum.

Also Mollie revealing their hood is quite controversial which usually comes from town as you can never know how town will react to that.

Mollie, T3 - town
Wright and Justice - scum

Will read the rest of the thread tomorrow. Probably I'm quite behind.

1) "could be scum" is a shit reason. You are accusing me that I would never do that as town(which is impossible as a) I did it in a previous iteration of this setup, b) I am town this game) so nice try alice
2) I self meta on the regular as town. Wanna get dunked on? I refuse to talk about self meta as *scum* because it makes it harder for me actually. A conclusion with no basis in fact.

[Wright and Justice]

Eariler you were agreeing with IV that their meta covered stuff like that unless I'm not remembering. Is it mainly the connection that drives you to render them scummy or are you np longer thinking that's within the relem of town IV?

Pedit: I agree with the association.

Yeah their later posts being super wishywashy is what I expect from scum IV.

I have a recent game where I was replaced in on limlo where I did read IV's posts to find associatives: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87680

btw fun fact alice ^ this very game I linked where I replaced in - I self meta myself.

Have a guess what alignment I flipped.

[Wright and Justice]

I'm going to step away from reading Wright/Molie since I'm going back and forth and having WiFom issues with them and stuff like thread reaction (I can explain this but it would be a giant wishy washy blob so meh)

Reading through those that posted, I don't really like IV. While I understand that IV plays by PoE, their posts feel extraordinary uncommitted. Below is a subsection from their ISO with bold highlighting parts I deemed to be unwilling to commit.

Spoiler:

I have zero read on koba slot

pirate mollie like maybe slightly +town

maybe not

Holden

seems alright maybe a little performative

I’m not convinced that FN is like that essential this game to protect and withhold neighbor info and solvy stuff

but I’ll go along with whatever ppl think

hang in there gamma

yeah I just said it

seemed performative lool didn’t say it’s not in townrange but thanks for bringing up the meta nugget

okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

ookay thanks so I will assume any non signed post is koba then. And unrelatedly I’m aware activity isn’t really that AI for you

So whats scummy from me then?
Where did you get the idea that activity isn't AI for me - we havent played together - but ive spectated 1 game where you were scum and replaced into 1 after youve already flipped scum.
So whats up?

i was talking to gamma in that post and ive played with both scum and town gamma - he was lurky and active as both alignments at various times. that's all im saying

im voting your slot rn bc i can tbh and i don't really have any read on you rn despite how much you've posted already. your insistence on me playing to my scum meta is rly weird too and having a confident read on me at this stage is bizarre especially when it's wrong

note that bizarre/wrong doesn't mean i think you're scum necessarily just worth parking my vote here rn, also im more of a PoE type player anyway so not that many things scum ping me, etc etc

*Entire post reduces impact of the read

I kinda think u are town because you have been very straight-up with everything you say idk it’s a weak tonal read that I got in the last like 15 seconds.

I didn’t really have a read on u before that but just noting it here that I had this thought before I go

No the fuck i didnt.
I assumed it was a true claim becuase im autistic and took it at face value
Fuck you if you think i thought it was a joke becsuse it was *not* clearly a joke to me

I was considering your hood real.and my fucking push on you askkng why you outted it wjth a null read on andees should be proof that was my thought process not whatever garbage about "fishing hood status".

Would you not fucking think its scummy for a neighbor to claim with anything above a scumread? Because i do.

im not sure if there’s a tonal tell here and in which direction if so

In these posts, it feels IV is purposely leaving the door open on a lot of their points. 162 in particular rubbed me the wrong way as it gives multiple reasons to back out of the read established in 161 which ALREADY talked in length about why their voting. As such, 162 feels redundant and displays a type of worry about appearing 'correct' that I associate with scum. In other words:

IV seemed more concerned on justfiying the vote and providing a way out rather then committing to it.

this is additionally alarming since the point was to apply pressure which is undermined by the rest of the posts.

Given how consistent this tone is as well, I am scumleaning them.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: innocentvillager

IV: can you give me a working PoE of your headstate right now? Please try to inculde some rationale with it. If it is truely wishywashy, then please give me details upon why it's like that to you.

btw ^^ @mollie refute this

[Wright and Justice]

I'm going to step away from reading Wright/Molie since I'm going back and forth and having WiFom issues with them and stuff like thread reaction (I can explain this but it would be a giant wishy washy blob so meh)

Reading through those that posted, I don't really like IV. While I understand that IV plays by PoE, their posts feel extraordinary uncommitted. Below is a subsection from their ISO with bold highlighting parts I deemed to be unwilling to commit.

Spoiler:

I have zero read on koba slot

pirate mollie like maybe slightly +town

maybe not

Holden

seems alright maybe a little performative

I’m not convinced that FN is like that essential this game to protect and withhold neighbor info and solvy stuff

but I’ll go along with whatever ppl think

hang in there gamma

yeah I just said it

seemed performative lool didn’t say it’s not in townrange but thanks for bringing up the meta nugget

okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

ookay thanks so I will assume any non signed post is koba then. And unrelatedly I’m aware activity isn’t really that AI for you

So whats scummy from me then?
Where did you get the idea that activity isn't AI for me - we havent played together - but ive spectated 1 game where you were scum and replaced into 1 after youve already flipped scum.
So whats up?

i was talking to gamma in that post and ive played with both scum and town gamma - he was lurky and active as both alignments at various times. that's all im saying

im voting your slot rn bc i can tbh and i don't really have any read on you rn despite how much you've posted already. your insistence on me playing to my scum meta is rly weird too and having a confident read on me at this stage is bizarre especially when it's wrong

note that bizarre/wrong doesn't mean i think you're scum necessarily just worth parking my vote here rn, also im more of a PoE type player anyway so not that many things scum ping me, etc etc

*Entire post reduces impact of the read

I kinda think u are town because you have been very straight-up with everything you say idk it’s a weak tonal read that I got in the last like 15 seconds.

I didn’t really have a read on u before that but just noting it here that I had this thought before I go

No the fuck i didnt.
I assumed it was a true claim becuase im autistic and took it at face value
Fuck you if you think i thought it was a joke becsuse it was *not* clearly a joke to me

I was considering your hood real.and my fucking push on you askkng why you outted it wjth a null read on andees should be proof that was my thought process not whatever garbage about "fishing hood status".

Would you not fucking think its scummy for a neighbor to claim with anything above a scumread? Because i do.

im not sure if there’s a tonal tell here and in which direction if so

In these posts, it feels IV is purposely leaving the door open on a lot of their points. 162 in particular rubbed me the wrong way as it gives multiple reasons to back out of the read established in 161 which ALREADY talked in length about why their voting. As such, 162 feels redundant and displays a type of worry about appearing 'correct' that I associate with scum. In other words:

IV seemed more concerned on justfiying the vote and providing a way out rather then committing to it.

this is additionally alarming since the point was to apply pressure which is undermined by the rest of the posts.

Given how consistent this tone is as well, I am scumleaning them.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: innocentvillager

IV: can you give me a working PoE of your headstate right now? Please try to inculde some rationale with it. If it is truely wishywashy, then please give me details upon why it's like that to you.

btw ^^ @mollie refute this

requoting to make sure its on new page

[Wright and Justice]

Yes, for pretty weak reasoning too.

I assume based on a preflip from us too if we wanna draw a town POV conclusion there.

[Wright and Justice]

Your read on me is predicated on you thinking im pushing anti town mechs.
Its a terrible way to sort someone.

You have refused to answer anything more in depth about IV and seem.to have no opinion about anyone else except to compare it to me

1. I never said I was pushing you for anti-town mechs, I was pushing you because several things that seemed internally inconsistent to town!you that I had experienced, admittedly limitedly, did not add up. And your posts in our hood are pretty scummy.

2. I liked IV's reaction. I think I even said that. It is called a gut read, which you seemed super hyped about with Tm3, but suddenly have an aversion to it.

It would be nice to hear from other players in the game.

[Wright and Justice]

mollie has played a game that is predicated on avoiding engaging with anyone.

in our hood I tried to engage mollie on reads on other slots before the hood was outted but mollie refused to - a pattern that can even be seen in this thread.

[Wright and Justice]

okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

ookay thanks so I will assume any non signed post is koba then. And unrelatedly I’m aware activity isn’t really that AI for you

So whats scummy from me then?
Where did you get the idea that activity isn't AI for me - we havent played together - but ive spectated 1 game where you were scum and replaced into 1 after youve already flipped scum.
So whats up?

i was talking to gamma in that post and ive played with both scum and town gamma - he was lurky and active as both alignments at various times. that's all im saying

im voting your slot rn bc i can tbh and i don't really have any read on you rn despite how much you've posted already. your insistence on me playing to my scum meta is rly weird too and having a confident read on me at this stage is bizarre especially when it's wrong

Ok lets approach this differently - why do you think you're *not* playing to scum.meta?

Early confidence is very normal for me btw - right or wrong.

nono

nonononono

the burden of proof is on YOU, to prove that IV is playing to their scum meta since YOU are the one who made the accusation.

You are not even trying to sort them, you are deflecting - one might say, "dodging" even - hey here is an example of the dodging that you have been looking for all game!

Except to Gamma.

VOTE: pirate mollie
you're twisting the facts of what happened in that large theme and trying to paint me as scum for it. I lurked in that game in part because I was massively disengaged. Yes, I wasn't entirely comfortable there, but you are excluding a detail that I think is rather important to make your push go more smoothly. Nuh uh.

-Justice

So when you and Dkoba were comparing notes, did you tell him that I tend to get into TvT's? That would make sense with what is in our hood. We have never gotten into a TvT, ever. You know why? Because you are a good egg. Why? because you are

decent person

. You don't posture, you don't bully people, you don't stomp around and belittle people and try to make them feel bad about themselves. Not in any game ever, when we played together.

The only reason I am pushing you is because I firmly believe you two to be scum, both independently and combined. You know Dkoba's reactions are bad. He is coming from a position of trying to control the narrative vs finding scum. The push on IV was ridiculous.

How are you reading holden here, mollie?

I think they're solidly town based on how their thought process presents itself looking at other people, despite being a bit odd. And with this i think they are actually trying to solve the game, notably with how they were interacting with my slot, about myself and people like t3.

Mollie i have to conclude you are scum afraid to tread on toes and spew other people if you refuse to make reads elsewhere btw.
Im trying to push content out of you and you refuse to talk about more than just me and talk in circles about it.

There is only like 5 minutes trying you "trying to push content" out of me and your first non-belligerent post.

I went to the bathroom and did my nightly skincare routine. I mean I can do that, yeah?

I am keeping my cards close to my chest because I am waiting to hear more content from other players. This is just my playstyle, especially in neighborhood game, when I suspect my neighbor is scum.

I already said, I think IV is town because I think they intuitively picked up on the over-explaining of the post that they reacted to, that I liked. I think that they picked up on that it seemed scum motivated. It is a weak read.

I have a weak scumread on T3, but I can't decide if I think this is a playstyle thing.

I need more content from Holden.

I am not sure why you expect me to be able to read the players that have barely posted.

Do you have reads on them? I see you are voting Alice but she also FOSed you so :/

mollie's view on IV ^

they refuse to speak about IV in detail. they think IV is town for an action - not for analysis.

that isn't a genuine way to make a read.

also the null read on holden based on how much holden has said thus far and parsed is complete bullshit.

[Wright and Justice]

Mate I don't do the bloody metas. Mine alone makes a compelling case not to

Let's give Mollie some time to respond and reply. I beleive you already made that point before, so giving each other time to develop new thoughts will be beneficial.

Besides it will be nice as an outsider to have points generated in the thread rather then the PT to go off of since we don't have murky optics.

Why did Gamma say T3 was town?

gamma said she felt like t3 was sorting and not taking sides, and she said he felt towny- not that he was town. (T3 is notoriously difficult to read)

[Wright and Justice]

Oh no this is all 1 person for the most part.

all posts from gamma are signed "Justice"

I am very capable of solo posting this much.

And I was done after my last post.

I do notice you still refuse to talk about IV and dance around making reads or interacting with content that implies sorting other slots - which is incredibly scummy.

If you wish to just keep making the case for us by proving our point about that continuously - go right ahead. I have no qualms about an easy town win.

At the moment I'm 100% sure the solve is within IV/Mollie/Alice and leaning hard on IV/Mollie purely with everyone else town.
-Wright

[Wright and Justice]

Actually I'm kinda confused so entertain me dear Wright.

You seem to be using meta a lot. This is fine despite my gripes with it. Have you considered mine at all in conjuction with your read?

I beleive I'm the only one so far that you haven't mentioned any past history (I have theories why), so I'm curious.

Also thanks for the T3 bit. I agree the read on IV is weak though the time it was given it makes sense? Again would like to see Mollie renewed stance on it.

Yes meta from brass played a part in my initial townlean on you.

[Wright and Justice]

I must have implied it somewhere, but it was that you were posting similarly to there but also your overall posting is just very deep and solvy which is a stronger reason than meta here because the game was over a year ago.

[Wright and Justice]

Yes. He left out the part about IV being easy to crack. He went after IV then backed off and he is in the hood saying that he thinks the FN is between is between IV/Andres. His only scumread is Alice, who has only posted twice, once to FOS you guys. :/

His priorities are clear; he is power role hunter over scumhunting. I mean in his head, his townreads should be IV/Andres/Flea/Me but that is the POV he is navigating from. He is just trying to cross off FN candidates.

Oh, I agree with those townreads but that isn't what you are saying.

You keep asking me who is your partner, but you haven't said who you thought Alice's partner was. So I will ask because if I don't you will discredit me because I assumed that you would be more forthcoming.

Who is Alice's partner?

Oh would be protown play to stop posting for an hour and allow other interaction to occur.

I am one person trying to post, and I can't keep up with both of you spamming the thread.

Fun fact: in the hood i said:

if IV is not FN, they are likley just scum here and thus alice's top bet for partner.

And if IV was FN then I still thought it was alice but I wasn't sure who would be the partner and said who I thought was probably town in that instance - which was that mollie was prob town there based on the fact mollie scum was based on IV scum.

I was at this point thinking that mollie was just tunneled town but repeatedly still refusing to engage about slots outside of themselves was enough to flip my read on them here.

[Wright and Justice]

Another lie for the books, Mollie. Not looking god for ya eh?

[Wright and Justice]

WAIT UR PROFILE PIC IS A HORSE WTF I THOUGHT IT WAS A GORILLA

[Wright and Justice]

ok final post before I dip I have a headache rn but I've said my piece <3

-Wright

[Wright and Justice]

I must have implied it somewhere, but it was that you were posting similarly to there but also

your overall posting is just very deep and solvy which is a stronger reason than meta here because the game was over a year ago.

[Wright and Justice]

why are you town?

[Wright and Justice]

I'm going to step away from reading Wright/Molie since I'm going back and forth and having WiFom issues with them and stuff like thread reaction (I can explain this but it would be a giant wishy washy blob so meh)

Reading through those that posted, I don't really like IV. While I understand that IV plays by PoE, their posts feel extraordinary uncommitted. Below is a subsection from their ISO with bold highlighting parts I deemed to be unwilling to commit.

Spoiler:

I have zero read on koba slot

pirate mollie like maybe slightly +town

maybe not

Holden

seems alright maybe a little performative

I’m not convinced that FN is like that essential this game to protect and withhold neighbor info and solvy stuff

but I’ll go along with whatever ppl think

hang in there gamma

yeah I just said it

seemed performative lool didn’t say it’s not in townrange but thanks for bringing up the meta nugget

okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

ookay thanks so I will assume any non signed post is koba then. And unrelatedly I’m aware activity isn’t really that AI for you

So whats scummy from me then?
Where did you get the idea that activity isn't AI for me - we havent played together - but ive spectated 1 game where you were scum and replaced into 1 after youve already flipped scum.
So whats up?

i was talking to gamma in that post and ive played with both scum and town gamma - he was lurky and active as both alignments at various times. that's all im saying

im voting your slot rn bc i can tbh and i don't really have any read on you rn despite how much you've posted already. your insistence on me playing to my scum meta is rly weird too and having a confident read on me at this stage is bizarre especially when it's wrong

note that bizarre/wrong doesn't mean i think you're scum necessarily just worth parking my vote here rn, also im more of a PoE type player anyway so not that many things scum ping me, etc etc

*Entire post reduces impact of the read

I kinda think u are town because you have been very straight-up with everything you say idk it’s a weak tonal read that I got in the last like 15 seconds.

I didn’t really have a read on u before that but just noting it here that I had this thought before I go

No the fuck i didnt.
I assumed it was a true claim becuase im autistic and took it at face value
Fuck you if you think i thought it was a joke becsuse it was *not* clearly a joke to me

I was considering your hood real.and my fucking push on you askkng why you outted it wjth a null read on andees should be proof that was my thought process not whatever garbage about "fishing hood status".

Would you not fucking think its scummy for a neighbor to claim with anything above a scumread? Because i do.

im not sure if there’s a tonal tell here and in which direction if so

In these posts, it feels IV is purposely leaving the door open on a lot of their points. 162 in particular rubbed me the wrong way as it gives multiple reasons to back out of the read established in 161 which ALREADY talked in length about why their voting. As such, 162 feels redundant and displays a type of worry about appearing 'correct' that I associate with scum. In other words:

IV seemed more concerned on justfiying the vote and providing a way out rather then committing to it.

this is additionally alarming since the point was to apply pressure which is undermined by the rest of the posts.

Given how consistent this tone is as well, I am scumleaning them.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: innocentvillager

IV: can you give me a working PoE of your headstate right now? Please try to inculde some rationale with it. If it is truely wishywashy, then please give me details upon why it's like that to you.

btw this is the case on you ^ and its consistent with how your scum meta operates.

[Wright and Justice]

hey mollie in case you havent noticed, everyone else wants you to shut the fuck up about our slot and talk about other people.

just like a hint - as I've said several times recently in our PT.

Have fun tho I don't mind you digging your hole deeper, I gave you a ladder but you swiped it away.

[Wright and Justice]

if you're not obvtown then clearly you are scum my guy thats how your meta is.

you even boast about it in this town game I'm currently reading.

[Wright and Justice]

You make these very same arguments when you are scum time and time again and get flipped anyways.

so hey - i'm really not worried that I'm incorrect on you here atp.

Have fun proving it in another way.

[Wright and Justice]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86364&user_select[]=18522

can you point to the similarities you have between here and this game?

I think you're very jagged in this game and you flowed much better in that game ->


@Holden I know you say you dont care for meta but tell me if what you were reading in this game matches the game I linked above

[Wright and Justice]

You make these very same arguments when you are scum time and time again and get flipped anyways.

I get flipped because I lose motivation/steam to make substantive posts and fake solving the game as scum, which I do naturally over time as town because I hate playing scum and enjoy town, not because of my wishiwashiness

which is exactly what is happening here so hey bud thanks for helping my case.

[Wright and Justice]

like you say - you're obvtown as town and obvscum as scum - you literally fucked over your own game here with that.

dunno what to say dude but that's how the cookie crumbles and you just gotta learn how to be better at scum.

[Wright and Justice]

scum IV loves to make excuses.

you're literally ticking all the scumtell boxes.


you're going to need to pull off a miracle to show me you're town here- and that's show some in depth casing of other players.

[Wright and Justice]

I’d rather ask why IV framed the question that way and put two scum ISO’s.
Do you want me to subconciously believe Datisi could be scum here? If so, why? Do you yourself think Datisi is scum here?

idk i didn't think super hard about the exact way to frame it, maybe your way would've been slightly better maybe not (also it was more fun )

im mostly just trying to make you consider that scum!Datisi might be better than you expected from that one game and at least reconsider, i didn't really care about your result. do you not have more doubt here at least that Datisi is town after skimming tone of his scumgames?

like im not saying you have to, but either way i want to know why. I'm just trying to get a better sense on how much I should take your townread on Datisi into account on my own evaluation on him after giving you more info. and maybe help read you later idk

this is an example of how town!IV reacts to pressure / votes btw ^

this isn't how IV is reacting to pressure/votes here.

IV self proclaims that their meta is different several times over multiple games.


it's really a done deal.

[Wright and Justice]

please stop getting fake mad its really embarassing

[Wright and Justice]

if you can prove me wrong - it should be easy -> as you say, your scum and town meta are distinct. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Your last completed scumgame used AtE too and you were caught that way as well.


So please spare me the rage.

[Wright and Justice]

i don't see any remorse from you for your actions despite other people having pointed out NM's tendencies

What the fuck kind of statement is this

I also don't buy that IV "forgot about this game" when you have to confirm via PM that you know your role and are still available to play, and you then receive another PM to let you know that D1 has officially started.

Literally every single thing AtE has been saying is extremely charged with AtE and feels super manipulative and gaslighty

VOTE: IV

VOTE: IV


mostly gut I would say.

this is back to 5 votes by my count.

I don’t think I can back a lim on IV atp
I was kinda having pause because he felt genuine emotionally but wasn’t sure whether he could emote like that as scum, but thinking about it his read on me feels really well reasoned at least

I don't see why scum!IV wouldn't also be upset about being run up

same shit different game

[Wright and Justice]

e-1

[Wright and Justice]

fun fact: last time I played this setup, scum self hammered and raged against me too and called me a bad player raged about how their scum winrate was low.


It is funny how history tends to repeat itself.


As well as both scum in that playthrough also tried to shitpush me.


I'm not making any conclusions from that I just find it intensely amusing how similarly its playing out.

[Wright and Justice]

btw if this gets hammered, instant lim mollie next.


IV hardclaimed not FN.

we are in the non FN IV world.

thus now I don't need to worry about that read anymore

[Wright and Justice]

IV is raging because they think it will get them townread.

[Wright and Justice]

did mollie talk you down from the self vote?

[Wright and Justice]

I hope you tilt hammer yourself so i can get the repeat of this:


Subject: Micro 965 | Meet me in the Backrooms | Game Over!

I'm going to preface this with an acknowledgement that I've never been very good at scum.
I only have a total win rate of 27% as scum over my career.

That said, I tried my best to simply play from a town perspective this game, despite not being town.

Upon reflection, being too cautious and not death tunneling DkKoba was probably a sign to those that know me that something was not right. I am an angry, gut-fueled player, and the slow logical push just doesn't seem to work well for me despite it theoretically being objectively better play.

With that said, I'd like to single out a player for being particularly awful all game.

Koba, you're a disgusting human being and the site would benefit from your absense.

I'm something of a tryhard that gives a lot of fucks about his win-loss record, so the fact that I'm willing to throw the game to get away from you really should tell you everything you need to know about how I feel about you.

Thank god the foes list exists. And thank god I don't have any more stake in this absolute catastrope you guys call mafia.

Guess even a fucking idiot can get lucky w/ their "reads" once in a while.

VOTE: tn5421

[Wright and Justice]

BAHAHAHAH MOLLIE JUST TMI'D SCUM WITH IV IF ANDRES IS INDEED IN A HOOD WITH IV

[Wright and Justice]

nvm i misread lmfao

[Wright and Justice]

Flea entrance had poor logic basis but it's town thought process for flea - > flea if you're reading this, don't trap yourself into thinking mollie vs I has to be TvS. That's not how it works. People make shit conclusions often as town. This is likely one of them.

Holden is town for similar reasoning in terms of a deeper thought process being shown + actual solviness.

Facebones is above the line in terms of towniness for me, the entrance reminds me of when we played together and they were town.

mollie is just loltown who thinks they are good at mafia and are trying to push a read on a player who is being a leader. fun fact: this doesnt help ever and you are just going to be cited as a major reason town lost if we do lose.

Andres/IV I will revisit later

Gamma says they think T3 is towny, I dont think i can read T3 so I will just let them have that here. they still are near the bottom for me, above facebones though.

that leaves Alice as the odd one out here -> I think from all angles they are scum here. Well. Not all angles. But from the theories I have currently about the game this is how I feel.


Also if you think mollie has good points against me, think about your read accuracy in games yourself especially towards me in the past and then slowly deposit your agreement into the trash.

[Wright and Justice]

god i have like 30 MS tabs open because of this game

i work tomorrow so GOOD NIGHT

lim obvscum IV TYVM

[Wright and Justice]

Who is Alice's partner again?

Or are you still adhering to IV/me scum?

I mean, I can't tell. There is a distinct lack of progression in these reads, and scream cog-dis, because you cannot get wild about the idea that IV/me are a scumteam, and vote/push Alice simultaneously.

actually I'm pretty sure koba expressly stated they thought IV/alice was possible
I kinda think you might be town for the IV hood partner dumbtell but this makes me feel less good about that

-Justice

[Wright and Justice]

Who is Alice's partner again?

Or are you still adhering to IV/me scum?

I mean, I can't tell. There is a distinct lack of progression in these reads, and scream cog-dis, because you cannot get wild about the idea that IV/me are a scumteam, and vote/push Alice simultaneously.

actually I'm pretty sure koba expressly stated they thought IV/alice was possible
I kinda think you might be town for the IV hood partner

dumbtell

but this makes me feel less good about that

-Justice

Wrt: I am pretty sick and tired of your slot using put downs as a form of engagement, after I have asked you to stop.

I am not putting YOU down, I am scumreading you. There is a big difference.

I did not mean it that way but understood, I'll avoid using that term in the future

-Justice

[Wright and Justice]

thank you mollie for finally engaging people who aren't me

as for flea - are you really claiming im tunneled on mollie right now? And not looking anywhere else?

I ask because some of the statements you are throwing out imply that.

Also there is a pleathora of new info since i last mentioned my read on mollie ->
a) IV is extremely unlikely to be partnered with mollie at this point due to mollies confident claim that they thought IV and andres were in a hood
b) they have finally started to engage people outside of me in a way that looks genuine
c) there are people now actually egging on the TvS stance -> wheras before the majority were mostly reading it as TvT(as in active people). This leads me to my next reshuffling of my PoE:

Alice is approching the game in a 1 dimensional manner that betrays an agenda
I'm not sure what to think of IVs stance on pushing us as town but when people are not pushing their direct counterwagon -> esp someone with a weaker scum meta-> i venture to say that is +town(and objectively regardless of if you think I am town 9r not ) *unless* the 2 are SvS.

That being said -> I'm wanting to pivot away from IV at this point in time because of their string of posts and the fact that my direct solve was disproven.

VOTE: Alice

My IV read is shelved for now contingent on if they continue their energy this dayphase. It's not a high bar either for them- IV knows what is being looked for

[Wright and Justice]

I think Wright and Justice can be partnered with HoldenGolden. I think they push the same agenda. I will elaborate on this later.

In particular this read on Holden is complete hogwash and meant to discredit the town fulcrum as well as leader ^

Holden is the towniest player by far this dayphase. I will not be taking criticism. There is overwhelming evidence if one even bothers looking in how Holden approaches the game.

[Wright and Justice]

Alice - show us the thought process you used to reach Holden scum. You have been hesitant to play thus far.


Facebones - you were already asked before, but why havent you used your hood to communicate with IV?
@IV - what has been said in there thus far?