Micro 1042: Meme Wars | Fin!

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Azurmil is my first town read, I think.

Please remember why so that I can ask later

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VOTE: STD

Is Wheel of Time actually any good? The series on Amazon looks very...not good, which isn't a good sign for the LOTR adaptation they're also doing. I'm assuming it's a "just read the books" kind of situation because a quick Google search shows that the fanbase is really passionate.

VOTE: STD

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VC plkz

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bugspray's is bad too, the others just seem random

i don't know why you voted me you seemed really intense about it

i don't know why bugspray put me at e-1 without announcing it and then being like "VC PLOX" afterward instead of before voting

i thought there were multiple e-3 wagons and wanted to make one be e-2 but due to me not counting properly I put you at e-1 instead. really people suspect so much intentionality

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Value of E-1ing for no reason= ???

the value of accidentally e-1ing is that we are now out of RVS on page 3 and you were MAYBE caught in a lie which gives us a lot to work with

we can look at...
were you actually lying?
did the person call you out think you were lying or trying to convince town of a fallacious story?
how do people think about all this stuff?
we are about to have enough real content for shiki to know everyone's role and alignment on page 5

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Esooa did you do that thing I asked you to do on page 1?

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Can you say why you tr'd azu that early and then flopped back?

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do you have opinions on anyone else?

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Who in the sauce is shiki?

she is a mafiascum user of legendary skill

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VOTE: esooa
This slot has only actively contributed (I am defining actively contributed as saying something to contribute to town's collective pool of useful information) twice. On page one with a useless townread, and on page two chiming in with prism out of the blue.

STD is town.

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clarification: This is intent to yeet the player slot esooa. I am trying to create a

LETHAL WAGON

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VOTE: Bugspray

Yeah, this feels off. How many times has Dwlee actively contributed, by that definition? In fact, what about me? It looks like one of those metrics thats makes sense on the surface, but it's obviously a bunch of crap after a moments reflection.

Is a Three wagon something you don't want taking off, for some reason?

Dwlee has contributed at least three times as many times as Esooa by this definition. Even this single post of yours that I'm replying to contributes more than Esooa has the entire game and the one semi-significant contribution out of Esooa was just agreeing with something Prism said about MegAz's mention of not hammering after miscounting the STD wagon.

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Who is playing on bugspray's account and is the real bugspray safe?

the fuck you mean?

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UNVOTE:

fixed tags for the vote counter ~f

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The story of what happened to Meg should be obvious btw.
meg saw the votes and though ooooh looks like STD as it e2 I should get spicy and e1
and then meg decided to count again and was like OH NO BUGSPRAY IS A SPICY CAN OF BUGSPRAY, BETTER NOT HAMMER! LOL!!!
and then meg just didn't vote STD because then we'd see a townie get yeeted with no useful info

I thought Prism's attack and Esooa's sudden swing-in off of that was strange, especially with how little content Esooa has just been producing in general.

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three town

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I'm taking that as intent.

I'm a 2-shot rolecop. Scum is in [val, prism, esooa, bugs] if I had to call it right now. STD and Esooa probtown. Good luck if you hammer me, I'm making some dinner.

I agree with this readlist mostly aside from my inclusion which is reasonable because I haven't posted in a while. Early on I thought it could be prism+esooa because esooa's second post just sort of brigading in with prism which to me made no sense especially because of how easy it is to explain/rationalize Azu's one "weird" post that prism was attacking as coming from town.
VOTE: prism

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Very short on time the next two days but will carve out time to track through Val/Pav dialogue. Role claim doesn't swing it for me in and of itself.

hope you don't hurt your ass on that fence

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The only game I played with Bugspray was a single jester game.

The only reason I would've voted would be to put someone up to E-1 way too early for funsies (it is meme wars after all). Thankfully I decided to be a little more serious.

wait what? this contradicts that you originally miscounted and then recounted and realized that they already were at e-1

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Value of E-1ing for no reason= ???

Figured I'd wait to check in when something happened and by that point I realized I miscounted

The only game I played with Bugspray was a single jester game.

The only reason I would've voted would be to put someone up to E-1 way too early for funsies (it is meme wars after all). Thankfully I decided to be a little more serious.

???????????????/

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i don't think scum!meg exists in the same universe as 1, probably 2, scum in {esooa, prism, val} but i feel brain wack

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The story of what happened to Meg should be obvious btw.
meg saw the votes and though ooooh looks like STD as it e2 I should get spicy and e1
and then meg decided to count again

and was like OH NO BUGSPRAY IS A SPICY CAN OF BUGSPRAY, BETTER NOT HAMMER! LOL!!!

and then meg just didn't vote STD because then we'd see a townie get yeeted with no useful info

I'm struggling to follow what this is supposed to mean, in particular the portion I've highlighted.

What is a 'spicy can of bugspray', and why would your presence in the game affect Megs decision to put STD at E-1 or not?

apparently you got fucking salty because i didn't explain this. so let me fucking tell you
so 'can of bugspray' refers to me, literally. The persona which is posting here is 'bugspray' which is literally 'a can of bugspray'.
'spicy' refers to the fact that i did some spicy shit in the form of e-1ing, therefore by doing something spicy i beame a 'spicy can of bugspray' not sure why you are making a big deal about something that is obviously objectively meaningless

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I think this is town Bugspray though.

And I clearly don't.

I've given my reasons why I think bugspray is flipping red, strongly enough that I want to see that flip today knowing I've giving you ammo to push my own mislim if I am wrong, given your stated justification for scum reading me.

What are you reasons for thinking town?

you're wrong about this read, which is a stupid read

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as opposed to what, a fake reason?
VOTE: esooa

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hot take esooa avatar change is to make the memes with old avatar harder to parse and to obfuscate putential correct scum reads

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VOTE: val

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multitask dayvig esooa and val

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hot take esooa avatar change is to make the memes with old avatar harder to parse and to obfuscate putential correct scum reads

are you even trying

did you fucking read the posti literally say "hot take"

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I'll also now actually also be fine with a bugspray exe because their read on me is meme tier and their read on Val is omgus

this is literally fake news.
val's read on me is either fucking stupid or willfully ignorant and me pointing that bullshit out does not make it omgus
how the fuck am i sucmmy because i didn't explain what it means "to be a spicy can of bugspray" that's a fucking stupid opinion

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hot take esooa avatar change is to make the memes with old avatar harder to parse and to obfuscate putential correct scum reads

are you even trying

did you fucking read the posti literally say "hot take"

well you voted me and said the day vig thing also

the dayvig has no relation to the hot take why would you even think that

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Alright, but how about a few words about why you were TRing bugspray in the first place?

What meta case did you think there was that you now seem to be telling us you might have been wrong about?

Give me something that might provide some measure of reassurance there has been at least some logical basis for the stances you've taken this game.

I felt like bugspray is doing solving where there it felt like none

on reread I'm less sure on both counts

I was, but righjt now i just feel mentally incapable of playing mafia and it fucking shows and i'm about to get TSE'd again

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basically i had a tryhard smart idea of if it's prism+esooa i start a wagon on esooa and then prism will like give useful ai info but then everyone was like `lmao what` even though esooa's iso was hot garbage (and probably still is) and then i'll be able to use this info for good shit

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VOTE: pooky i see we have a volunteer

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VOTE: pooky
E-1

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I thought strongman goes through med/bp but still fizzles on rb

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Spoiler: no way there is 3 scum, pretty sure this is a normal

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@ mod is this game normal?

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a normal micro can't have 3 scum

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I was about to come in all gung-ho about bugspray being the one to initial suggest there were 3 scum that started me thinking that way, but re-reading what I thought was the offending post (271), I think I might have misread it myself.

Regardless, despite the depiction of my read being "fucking stupid or willfully ignorant", bugspray has failed to explain why either of the two apply, and I'm pretty sure my initial feeling at to the motivation behind 113 was right on the money from the start - the misgivings I had about it, namely that I was townleaning on Three, have evaporated on confirmation that the three/pooky slot was indeed mafia. That confirmation also essentially townlocks STD as far as I am concerned.

this game is going nowhere

can we just murder someone already

VOTE: pooky i see we have a volunteer

Putting aside the wierd second/fake/what-ever-it-was vote on the Pooky wagon, this reasoning for joining the red wagon (well, the lack of, more preciesly) gives me no reason to give bugspray any credit for having been on Pookies wagon when it flipped.

Furthermore, I'm thinking that the fact you

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and bugspray are both pushing Esooa while simulatanously throwing shade in my direction is not co-incidental

If Esooa is indeed cleared by STDs roleblock, then that's another mark in the scum!bugspray column for me.

VOTE: Bugspray

can you explain my fake e-1 on pooky

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says me, but like considering how this is not normal i think it's possible there's three this game

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Reconsidering the possibility of strongman
Would probably be one shot and almost definitely have targeted pav.
Pav could you say your result but not your target?

why would it target pav and since when are you mindmelding with scum?

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then why is prism dead?

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what you are saying makes no sense
VOTE: meg

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can you explain my fake e-1 on pooky

I'm not sure what you are actually asking here. If you are Pookies partner, as I am theorising, then a fake vote on your partners wagon is meaningless.

Are you suggesting that vote somehow clears you?

I'm suggesting that the scenarios and reasons you are fabricating about the reasoning behind my actions do not take into account the fact that I voted pooky while pooky was on e-2 and then lied saying that pooky was at e-1 and then urged a player who has since flipped town via NK to hammer because the fact that I voted pooky while pooky was on e-2 and then lied saying that pooky was at e-1 and then urged a player who has since flipped town via NK to hammer contradicts the scenarios and reasons you are fabricating about the reasoning behind my actions.

It does not clear me, but it invalidates your argument.

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Weird for Val to move the goalpost of "clears you(me)" seems way too aggro and his entire stance feels so forced

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I am not sure I follow your reasoning on a hypothetical strongman (if the remaining scum is vanilla, which wouldn't shock me, then I'm not super useful now that Pooky is dead) and I am fairly sure such reasoning is not helping us much, here.

Esooa is for all intents and purposes cleared unless there's deep fookery afoot, and I'm not ready to strap on my tinfoil at this point.

If there are three scum and then a non-esooa made the kill then essoa isn't confclear, but we don't have a strong reason to think there are three scum.

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I was about to come in all gung-ho about bugspray being the one to initial suggest there were 3 scum that started me thinking that way, but re-reading what I thought was the offending post (271), I think I might have misread it myself.

Regardless, despite the depiction of my read being "fucking stupid or willfully ignorant", bugspray has failed to explain why either of the two apply, and I'm pretty sure my initial feeling at to the motivation behind 113 was right on the money from the start - the misgivings I had about it, namely that I was townleaning on Three, have evaporated on confirmation that the three/pooky slot was indeed mafia. That confirmation also essentially townlocks STD as far as I am concerned.

this game is going nowhere

can we just murder someone already

VOTE: pooky i see we have a volunteer

Putting aside the wierd second/fake/what-ever-it-was vote on the Pooky wagon, this reasoning for joining the red wagon (well, the lack of, more preciesly) gives me no reason to give bugspray any credit for having been on Pookies wagon when it flipped.

Furthermore, I'm thinking that the fact you

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and bugspray are both pushing Esooa while simulatanously throwing shade in my direction is not co-incidental

If Esooa is indeed cleared by STDs roleblock, then that's another mark in the scum!bugspray column for me.

VOTE: Bugspray

wait do you really think that i, as scum would fucking bus a power role partner so flippantly?

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people bus

there's other things I can say like the fact that pooky didn't do much to save themselves but it doesn't truly matter to me, I just don't care about if someone 'would' have bussed or whatever, but whether they're wolfy or not, and I think bugspray is. I also just don't care for things like "ACTUALLY my e-1 on Pooky was a bait all along, and not something I just did on accident"

it literally was bait. i do a fake e-1 like that basically every game I play

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val this is a question for you:
When I flip green and it turns out you are completely wrong and made a stupid gameplay decision to ignore the reasons why I cannot possibly be scum what will you do?

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What town motivation I was there for lying about which position on the wagon you cast your vote, and what you did or didn't say to Prism?

When did I lie about whatever the fuck you're talking about?

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and the reason my fake e-1 is town indicative is because it was on scum pr and i was encouraging a slot which has since flipped green to hammer

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in what world is that something scum actually wants?

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Prism
Save The Dragons
Val89
MegAzumarill

I think final scum is in here

Feel free to narrow it down more and then ring me

prism is dead

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i absolutely said something like prism you should fucking hammer

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wtf checked my iso and didn't???
must have died irl and gotten sent to a universe where i didn't

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anyway, it's wrong to say that i was lying because i believed i was telling the truth and also it doesn't benefit scum

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you just answered your own rhetorical question what the fuck that's some real forum discourse you got going on

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you said nonsense so i voted you

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yes, i call it poisoned wine