Predestination [7/7] [GAME OVER!]

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let's get Who

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I guess we need one more for the hammer

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if you roleblock yourself, does it succeed?

this is a philosophical question not related to this setup

IMO yes

freezing

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Maybe RH9 will join

Yeah!

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this will be a bit of a slower-paced game

Uh oh Adante don't hurt me

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k so consciousness of guilt and lack of presence in the game thread seem like good tells

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VOTE: dragons

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why would we no lim.

We should lim Frogster since we won't get a cop result there any time soon.

bad post

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guys follow me dragons changed between games

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why would we no lim.

We should lim Frogster since we won't get a cop result there any time soon.

wait, why frogster? he's the night 3 target. this is a weird person to pick for this post

i saw this too and right now im thinking bad ideas doesnt mean it's a scum tell

I vote we mass-claim.

im down to try and solve the game mechanically if there is an idea for how we are going to go about that

guys follow me dragons changed between games

dragons has consciousness of guilt IMO you can see they changed from the last game to here

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i have another scum read now im going to wait a few minutes to see who they push before i out it

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why would we no lim.

We should lim Frogster since we won't get a cop result there any time soon.

wait, why frogster? he's the night 3 target. this is a weird person to pick for this post

exactly why I'm voting ircher lol

this is sort of like not really what im looking to see because it looks like an excuse to FoS someone rather than getting a read on what they're about

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@who and @cephrir

what would it require for you guys to come to some kind of solve mechanically since it seems like that's the direction you're going

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i checked, ircher is definitely hammered

cook didn't expect us to hammer so fast lol

Oh..

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cakez and dragons are my solve

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cakes and dragons if ircher flips town

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VOTE: cakez

iso and wagon are bad

dragons is still my choice for partner

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Cephrir is town.

kinda yeah

VOTE: sircakez

this is mafia

VOTE: cakez

iso and wagon are bad

dragons is still my choice for partner

im not sure what to make of this here

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went no where?

i don't think that makes him mafia

im scum reading based on day play alone

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cough cough i am inclined to believe Who's declaration that cephrir is town

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no elim is really bad adante

UNVOTE: cakez

let's slow down a little bit we have time.

Who do you still think a massclaim is best?

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no elim is really bad adante

UNVOTE: cakez

let's slow down a little bit we have time.

Who do you still think a massclaim is best?

Yes. Negligible downside, potentially massive upside.

okay whatever I'm doc I saved Who last night i was trying to breadcrumb in 183 and 199. I'm on dragons tonight.

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no elim is really bad adante

UNVOTE: cakez

let's slow down a little bit we have time.

Who do you still think a massclaim is best?

Yes. Negligible downside, potentially massive upside.

okay whatever I'm doc I saved Who last night i was trying to breadcrumb in 183 and 199. I'm on dragons tonight.

Wait it has to be frogster right

Ohhhh

nah its a reaction test Cakez is town they're trying to solve

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VOTE: dragons

dragons is lying by the way they weren't on cakez because im also a town role blocker and i was on dragons last night.

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VOTE: dragons

dragons is lying by the way they weren't on cakez because im also a town role blocker and i was on dragons last night.

i was just slowrolling because i wanted to sort cakez too

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VOTE: andante

VOTE: no lim

it could be like andante and dragons here.

but FMPOV dragons is scum

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VOTE: dragons

dragons is lying by the way they weren't on cakez because im also a town role blocker and i was on dragons last night.

uh

im also a town roleblocker and i was on you last night, which may explain this, except that requires 3 random towns, so actually you or std is scum

okay im pretty sure it's still dragons because if you were the fake claim in our trio you dont counterclaim like this

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We can lim Ceph and if he's town i bomb frog

i think you mean std here, not me

the hell why would we lim ceph

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no lim (2): andante, std
andante (1): cakez,
STD (1): frog

im voting dragons

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lol okay

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goodnight andante, it was fun playing secret hitler with you earlier

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I'll bomb frog tonight it's over

not if i bomb you first

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good night friend thanks for playing sorry about the scum pm

savage

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VOTE: andante scum slip i saw it first

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you know frogs might be town

who could be lying about his cop claim

no shit

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that was a joke who can't be lying about his cop claim because that would mean you two were scum with andante

hey stranger things have happened

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what happened

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Night 1
Ceph blocks Frog
Cakez explodes Frog

Night 2
Ceph no-acts
Cakez bombs Frog

Wow thanks for the help guys!

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Wait, cakez tried to explode n1? Very much the wrong move, could have cost us the game.

The choice was rash yet the aim was true.

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I didn't mean to submit an action night 1 lol I got on a call with a friend and totally got distracted and didn't come back in time

scum line

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Maybe make it anonymous, slightly faster, and submit an 18 entry long list at the beginning and run three games back to back with the same group using their original list.

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What do you mean by anonymous? Everyone uses anonymous alts? That doesn't seem like it will do much. Faster only prevents it from being broken during the game, it doesn't save the setup from breaking. Three games back to back seems fun but won't protect from breaking.

i didn't know if there is a setting to make it anonymous.

I guess one way to help mitigate breaking which gives players agency and is in the spirit of the setup is to go in the opposite direction of the above suggestions, and give both alignments an additional set of either / or PRs that swap the target of target players. I've heard the roles called different things like Driver, not sure what they're called here. Then players can decide if executing their night action is going to help them or not based on what appears to be happening.

The idea of the slightly faster time to allow three games back to back is to balance the setup in a high skill high luck way, so some playthroughs will be broken and others won't, and you'll get multiple playthroughs.

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Adding redirection risks things getting to chaotic but is promising. Bus driver has the issue of needing two targets which would introduce unnecessary complexity, but a role which shifts the target’s target list one night forwards seems good for scum. For town, those roles are generally negative utility, but a beam splitter would be handy.

Yeah I feel it. Maybe even some negative utility is warranted for town here?